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Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

26 Jun 2006 at 12:20 - 1

I must have spent 100's of plat on dye, mostly pouring it down the drain

I'd love to mess around a lot more with dye combos, but "research" is prohibative - in DAoC I used to make my own dyes and it was a piece of cake to mess around with colour combinations. So I wonder what people would think if I suggested...

1gp for all dyes at the dye trader!

Sane? yes / no? Personally I'd love to play with multi-black / other colour combos, but that's not happening at 10p per black! Even 100g for the cheapest colour really stacks up over an evening's mixing, argh!

nomercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 12:24 - 2

/signed

dont know why but I like the idea

fRag_Doll

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

Prid of Ankh Morpork [Prid]

W/E

26 Jun 2006 at 12:44 - 3

I dunno, I like the idea because I'd love to do some serious experimenting with mixes, but I think I'd get sick of seeing 90% of players running around in all black pretty quick.

Verlas Ho'Esta

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 12:55 - 4

They all started at 1 gp. It's a market economy, and player demand inflated the prices. You could reset the prices, but they'd just inflate again within a day or two.

nomercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 12:56 - 5

I think the thread starter means 1 gold forever and not resetting the prices.

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

R/

26 Jun 2006 at 15:21 - 6

/not signed

Keep it driven by the players.

There are a lot of threads form various fanforums on dye mixtures and what they look like on different materials.

Rikimaru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

R/

26 Jun 2006 at 15:22 - 7

Everyone wouldn't be running around in Black armor. The only reason black costs such a rediculous amount is that it's really rare. If everyone could choose their colors freely, very few people would be running around with straight black armor.
I Like this idea.
You could say that dye is meant as a gold sink, but that's just a means to very cheaply fill in a role that something good should already be filling. If there's so little worth spending money on that you think dye should cost such a crazy amount, then that's a pretty big problem with the game in general.
And dyes start at 100 gold at traders, not 1.

Undivine

of Brackenwood

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ontario, Canada

26 Jun 2006 at 15:27 - 8

I'm all for it, though I really doubt it will happen. I just don't think ANet wants to do it. Call it a hunch. Now, dye previews; that would just make everyone happy.

Alcazanar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Cavalon (swe)

Desert Flame [DF]

W/N

26 Jun 2006 at 15:35 - 9

everyone would pick black and you wont be able to
tell the noobs from "1337" anymore.

why will everyone pick black?

because everyone loves the dark side none wants
to be the good guy (it happens rarely)
and black is cool as hell on any armor
so your idea there wont work.

me myself would try to get a blackier black black
if your idea came through.

ID_Roto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 15:48 - 10

Uhh... Dyes don't show who is "1337"... for all you know the person had a string of good luck while they were possibly in Pre-searing Tyria. Or wherever else they got it. Others basically bought it because its a rare find and they liked black. Personally I want to find a bloody-red color for all armors. The only one that's close to me seems like assassin armor with regular red because its already so dark.
I prefer the test before you dye type thing. As for 1gp... Well... whats the point in keeping dye if they were 1gp? All dyes you would find it would be still on the ground unless you really wanted to start a 1k collection thing.

Theres me 3gp worth of dye for ya...

Mr_eX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ice Tooth Cave

Opt and Niho Private Chat [lulz]

N/Me

26 Jun 2006 at 15:51 - 11

It won't happen, simply because some wealthy players have a lot of money invested in dye stockpiles--and let's face it, black dye has the most stable price of any item in the whole game.

If dye expenense is a problem, then just get your combinations right the first time.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 15:59 - 12

/signed

It's silly for something like dyes to cost 10p for a single unmixed color.

I would love it if they didn't drop at all, but rather had to be "mixed" by the players with different materials for different colors. Why in the world does that mob carry dye to begin with?

ZenRgy

Zookeeper

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australian Discussion Posse HQ - Glorious leader

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N/E

26 Jun 2006 at 16:01 - 13

/not signed

I think it's perfect how black is at such a bloated price, keeps people from going all dark, although I love black - simply dying your armour black is uncreative.

Tryll

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Scotland

[DS]

26 Jun 2006 at 16:01 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alcazanar

everyone would pick black and you wont be able to
tell the noobs from "1337" anymore.

So, because someone's armour is not dyed black they are a noob? Granted, if it were to happen, for a while there would be alot of black-dyed armour, but once the novelty wore off I think there'd be loads of individuality. People would be able to be more flexible with their armour colours. While I don't 100% agree that all dyes should be 1gp, I do like Undivine's idea of previewing dyes. It would even be better if dyes dropped a bit more often. I'm not just talking about black dye drops, I only seem to get orange dyes and even they drop very infrequently

nomercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 17:26 - 15

LOL

You say ppl with Black Dyed armor are "1337" and other colors are noobs? GTFO!

linuxnacrot

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 18:22 - 16

/not signed

i'd really hate to see everyone in black, even though i'd like to see a place where u can mix them for free and put them on model armor to see how they looked

Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

26 Jun 2006 at 18:30 - 17

Right now, dye of any colour seems rare. I'm sure I get more gold items drop than I do dyes... or maybe that's my imagination.

I wish I *could* get a mix right first time, but there's no way of knowing how things will turn out until you take the plunge... it's too difficult the way it is without burning through huge piles of cash like I've done already. I'd rather spend my money on materials, armour, weapons and skills, which is plenty for me to be getting on with.

BrotherGilburt

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

USA

Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 18:37 - 18

/notsign

It would make dye drops pointless. If you want to use them on your armor just pay the price. If you want to get certain colors by mixing just find a Dye Chart.

Brother Gilburt

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

26 Jun 2006 at 19:19 - 19

lets see now.

they could just stop dye drops completely because who would use an inventory slot for a 1 gold value item.

crap it dropped a black dye........lousy luck

TadaceAce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

26 Jun 2006 at 19:50 - 20

I like this idea, every warrior trying to look cool has FoW or kurzick armor anyway which are already black. I agree with somebody that posted above, the novelty would wear off and people would start getting creative. This would add some fun to customizing your character.

It won't happen though, people have invested into black dyes, imagine how pissed they would be if black dye was suddenly worth 1g. Solution, make black dyes already bought be worth like 8 or 9k back to the trader so they can get their money back and invest in ectos or something.

Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

26 Jun 2006 at 22:22 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by TadaceAce

It won't happen though, people have invested into black dyes, imagine how pissed they would be if black dye was suddenly worth 1g. Solution, make black dyes already bought be worth like 8 or 9k back to the trader so they can get their money back and invest in ectos or something.

Yeah, I agree. Black Dye in particular is something to invest in, when in fact it's just supposed to be a pot of dye to use on your armour

If the price were changed there should be a warning to cash in, and the value should be locked to avoid a price collapse. Then people could re-invest their money in Ectos, Shards, Rubies and Sapphires etc.

As for seeing dye drop as something valuable... I had a black drop recently and I thought "wow!", but it's wierd to associate a dye pot with cold currency... I'd rather see a Ruby drop and see that as valuable instead

I think a lot more originality would open up with 1gp dye. Certainly I'd be busy for many evenings

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

26 Jun 2006 at 22:36 - 22

I think they should stop dye drops and just sell dye at the merchant for a fixed price.

1k for black (since you dont normally mix it)
250g for silver
50g for the rest

just a suggestion.

Mel X

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mo/Me

26 Jun 2006 at 22:38 - 23

I would like it more if dyes dropped more often. I have not seen a Black Dye drop yet on any of my characters in Factions. that would help to lower the price.

Verlas Ho'Esta

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 22:49 - 24

Sorry, but the market economy works, unless you're lazy. YAY CAPITALISM.

Seriously, the dye system is fine except for a test model addition, so we can see the actual result of a dye mix before we use it.

BahamutKaiser

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Heightened state of mind.

P/W

26 Jun 2006 at 22:59 - 25

Vanity and skill are 2 different things, spending loads of time farming to buy inflated items has nothing to do with being an advanced player.

I don't believe any of the dyes should be set at 1 gold, I would like for them to cap at more reasonable prices, that way people arn't punished by the economy. Blacks should not be uber expensive just because there are hundreds of players out there that covet it, and wearing deep black dye proves nothing more than how much time you like to grind, or how supportive your connections are.

I don't think dye prices should be.... basicly free, it is a nice item to make some money off of, and it would be a shame if finding dye couldn't net you any money because the prices are 1 gold, but at the same time, they should be cheap enough for any player to mix dyes for an entire set of armor without spending a month farming (or a unnaturally active week).

I can imagine roof prices for all dyes being 1 plat, which is still expensive to make triple mixes, but not so expensive that it takes inappropriate amounts of time to obtain. And with max prices set at 1 k, you can be sure to find sellers trying to barter them for a little less in order to break higher than the traders buying price.

I'm all for lower dye prices, but I don't want them to become meaningless drops, if they lower the price to 1 gold, than they will have to remove dye drops altogether and just allow people to dye freely with the almost free dyes available at traders.

Alcazanar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Cavalon (swe)

Desert Flame [DF]

W/N

26 Jun 2006 at 23:10 - 26

/signed (it doesnt hurt)

i meant that people THINKS that black are more 1337 hxxzor WOoW
and so on personally i think you should go with whatever your
heart desires. Now days people take you more seriously
if you got a black armor than if you got a other dyed one
(obsidian is allways taken seriously :P)

Alias_X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

26 Jun 2006 at 23:13 - 27

No. Black dye is considered a rare drop, if it was 1g at the trader, people would be running around with black armor and the drops would be common. Already lame skin 15>50 items are common, no need to do the same to black dye. 100gp for the cheapest dyes is nothing, that is a good deal.

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

26 Jun 2006 at 23:23 - 28

I would prefer them to add additional dyes at 100g each rather than disturb the current dye market.

omny

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 23:53 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verlas Ho'Esta

Sorry, but the market economy works, unless you're lazy. YAY CAPITALISM.

Seriously, the dye system is fine except for a test model addition, so we can see the actual result of a dye mix before we use it.

Agree. More or less anyway. Except the "yay capitalism" maybe

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Look up "vanity" in the dictionary. The economy of Guild Wars would collapse almost instantly if 1) vanity was eliminated, or 2) the expensive (cool) stuff suddenly was made cheap/free.
If the economy goes, so will a lot of players.

Sientir

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

At DigiPen.

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

27 Jun 2006 at 03:25 - 30

While something in the idea appeals to me, I think the far better idea would be a "Mixing Room" sort of addition. This would be a room where you have unlimited dyes to mix and test on your armor. Naturally, everything would be reset upon exit. That would help with getting dye combos that people like without costing a ton.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

27 Jun 2006 at 04:51 - 31

What about to make some "temporary dies" their price is 10% of trader price , they cant dropped/sold etc etc. and they last 60 minutes

Frosty the Pyro

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Movie Knights

E/R

27 Jun 2006 at 05:14 - 32

Quote:

While something in the idea appeals to me, I think the far better idea would be a "Mixing Room" sort of addition. This would be a room where you have unlimited dyes to mix and test on your armor. Naturally, everything would be reset upon exit. That would help with getting dye combos that people like without costing a ton.

complete and total concurance this would let you experiment on a theoreticle level, and then you still have to work to bring it to the practicle level. And the dye chart is nice but silver+silver+yellow looks very different on leather than it does on mettle or cloth armors

Elthanor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

IL

A/W

27 Jun 2006 at 05:17 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by lishi

What about to make some "temporary dies" their price is 10% of trader price , they cant dropped/sold etc etc. and they last 60 minutes

That is wonderfull! But the only problem is people would just buy alot of thoes.. and have that color dye for ever...not really worth it, but oh well.

I love the 1g dye idea... i wanna test colors out, and i know their are charts, but are ther charts for EACH armor set for EACH Class for male AND Female and +3 color combo for EACH? No, there isent. Each armor and comob being different, I think that would be great.

I was thinking, from Lishi idea, why not somthing kinda like The WOW dressroom. You can test dye colors, and mix it with your amor, but just to preview. Not To buy and walk around it. Maybe even cost the same as now,but then you can SEE how you will look befor you buy it! Brilliant Idea if I do say so myself.

EDIT-lol, after reading the post above and th quote, i feel like an idoit..

nomercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

27 Jun 2006 at 15:27 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

I think they should stop dye drops and just sell dye at the merchant for a fixed price.

1k for black (since you dont normally mix it)
250g for silver
50g for the rest

just a suggestion.

Great idea, make the prices standard like the merchant has.

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST

[GURU]GW [wiki]GW2

R/

27 Jun 2006 at 16:00 - 35

/signed for the 1g for all dyes idea.

Seriously, if you need a gold sink, you've got your Ectos and shards and even ales.

Take dyes out of the rare drop equation altogether; make them only available at traders.

Look forward to seeing some outlandish dye combos in the future!

Er.. once the initial fascination with cheap black dye goes away

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

27 Jun 2006 at 16:48 - 36

/not signed. I don't like the idea of devaluing anything else in the game, given the relative sparity of items to purchase of value already.

Rikimaru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

R/

27 Jun 2006 at 18:13 - 37

First of all, it's cruel to say that the price of something shouldn't be dropped because you have too much money to spend as it is, but dye never should have been so rare and costly in the first place. It greatly limits how unique we can make our characters look. How many characters have you seen running around with mixed dyes or even just black? I've never seen a character with mixed black.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

27 Jun 2006 at 18:30 - 38

Riki - to counter your point, should the developers reduce the cost to a "more manageable level" of:

1. FoW armor, 15K armor and all related crafting materials? Everyone running around in the SAME armor is pretty boring, so shouldn't we make those armors accessible to everyone?

2. All rare skinned weapons? Should we make all derivations of every weapon into some matter of green weapon that is easily obtainable? It's quite boring seeing everyone carrying around the same types of staves, shields, etc...why not make crystallines available as a craftable/collector item?

Diversity should be allowed in Guild Wars, but I believe that obtaining that diversity should come at some sort of cost. Right now, if you see someone running around in dyed-black armor, you tend to stop and notice. You stop and notice because (1) it's pretty rare to see someone in all black and (2) you realize how expensive it is.

But that's just my opinion. And please don't assume that I am coming from the position of someone that has too much money to spend as it is...honestly, I don't own one piece of FoW armor nor 15K armor on any of my characters, and all my characters are dyed a boring Burnt Orange color of my own design (HOOK 'EM)!!!!

tommarrow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shyft Machine [MYTH]

E/

27 Jun 2006 at 21:48 - 39

I don't mind the current prices for dye since black is the only expensive one. I would like to see what the armor would look like in the chosen color without using the dye. Same goes with mixing dyes. It is especially hard to see what the color will look like since the same color will look different depending on the item you are coloring.
I would also like a try before you by with armor itself. It is hard to decide if you will like the armor from the tiny picture you get in the seller's window. Let me see it on then I can decide which one I like.

zemelett

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

The Dead-Lands

27 Jun 2006 at 22:24 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommarrow

I would also like a try before you by with armor itself. It is hard to decide if you will like the armor from the tiny picture you get in the seller's window. Let me see it on then I can decide which one I like.

Now thats an idea I can stand behind.

as for the dyes, I'd be completely happy if they turned up the drop rate by like 5%....nothing huge to upset the econ...just enough that you can play around with them a bit more.