Class Sterotypes

I played in a group with 2 word of healing monks yesterday and I died several times even when they had 4 seconds to heal me. There are many bad players with "good" builds.

With my monk I've tested a heal/prot build with mark of protection some days ago and it works great... got kicked from a group when I told my build. That's really annoying and damn stupid from those people.

And I want to reanimate a smiting monk, but try find a group as smiter^^
0% chance, not even 1% chance.


That really suck. I hate that behavior.

I totally agree with the op, something has to be changed. What, somehow Anet can stop players from sucking and being idiots? That'd be nice (bye touch ranger nerf topics), but it's not happening. If pugs suck so badly...don't use them. Guild groups or henches ftw.

As far as the problem getting worse... New players = more people = more idiots. Sucks, but CH3 will likely have more than proph and factions combined.

Smiting monks in group? Worthless. monks are meant to heal and to protect not to fight. If you want to fight, go make yourself 55 monk. Tell that to eles who deal less damage than my grandmother does to high level bosses. A single 'Smite' deals more damage than an entire Meteor Shower. A single Balthazaars Aura/Symbol of Wrath/Kirins Wrath combo could deal more damage in 15 seconds than an ele could in 15 minutes to a boss. The irony is if you wanna protect someone... whos tanking. SoJ is actually more effective. Shield of Regen cuts damage in half, Shield of Judgement can cut damage in half from most sources too if they spend most of the time on there arse. Its not hard to balance healing/prot and smiting.

"Monks are best at healing/protection over any other role."
Oh, that made me laugh.

Ritualists are on par, or at least a close second to monk healing.
Ritualist protecting (spirit spammers - union, shelter, displacement), can be better than any monk protting.

Why don't you learn more about classes before making such stereotypes.

(I kinda agree with some of the other stuff that you said.)

And I want to reanimate a smiting monk, but try find a group as smiter^^
0% chance, not even 1% chance. It is due to demand. If a party needs monks, they need someone to keep them alive. A smiter won't do that. The fact is monks can be rare, the thing I most often see is "need 2 monks 6/8". Is that team looking for a smiter? Obviously not.

But it's not impossible for smiters, certainly not 0% chance. When there is an abundance of monks, the smiters can play. The other day I was in a mission, and we had 4 monks, with others trying to join. It was really weird, like everyone decided to play their monk that day. So the party leader asked one of the monks to go smiting, and that monk did far better than any ele could have done. It was a challenge mission, and we got a record amount of amber which we coudn't beat once some of the monks left and the remaining monks had to go back to healing.

Edit: the other massively overlooked role - or should I say class - in PvE is the mesmer. I don't know why people refuse them (trust me, I am really trying to finish Prophecies with my mesmer, but it isn't easy to get in a group). The times when there is a mesmer in the party, I am genuinely happy because the truth is, they do make it easier! The reason why people don't think they do, is because so much of what the mesmer does goes unnoticed, no matter how much it benefits the team. The exception maybe is interrupts, people can at least see that.

Recently I've seen a few "yay a mesmer" when one joins a PUG, so obviously some people do value them.

It is due to demand. If a party needs monks, they need someone to keep them alive. A smiter won't do that. The fact is monks can be rare, the thing I most often see is "need 2 monks 6/8". Is that team looking for a smiter? Obviously not. I agree with what you're saying, however the problem is just that. Two monks (as healers or healer/protector) aren't necessary in any PvE mission. That can be said for any other profession. The problem is with the mindset, that X can only be accomplished by A + B + C.

It really doesn't bother me if they're trying a new build, or a new skill (quite frankly, most of the time I'm curious to see their new builds myself!) I'm about having fun; I have a day job, so I don't need stress in a game... This sums up my feeling.

I don't care if people want minion masters - they can want what they want, it's their group. But *not all Necros are minion masters* nor do they necessarily want to be. Don't blind invite people then get annoyed when they're not what you were looking for.

Myself, I like groups that don't try to fit a template - I've had a lot more fun with a lighthearted group who is here to have fun than a group who is going to chew other people out for how they cast their spells.

And yes, I agree - being in a good guild is a great way to get around the problem (my guild is super nonjudgemental - they're casual players and just like to have fun). If anyone ever want to play with someone who cares more about someone's ability to use what they've got over what's in their skillbar, you know where I am. Defy the norm!

-Eli/Kel

ps-and I always welcome Mesmers in a group.

Oh, that made me laugh.

Ritualists are on par, or at least a close second to monk healing.
Ritualist protecting (spirit spammers - union, shelter, displacement), can be better than any monk protting.

Why don't you learn more about classes before making such stereotypes.

(I kinda agree with some of the other stuff that you said.) Do not agree. Ritualist are pretty bad healing compared to monk, HOWEVER, i agree with the protting part. They are very good at it especially in PvP, but a bonder is usually better.

Oh, that made me laugh.

Ritualists are on par, or at least a close second to monk healing.
Ritualist protecting (spirit spammers - union, shelter, displacement), can be better than any monk protting.

Why don't you learn more about classes before making such stereotypes.

(I kinda agree with some of the other stuff that you said.) Learn to read:
"Monks are best at healing/prot over any other role"
NOT "Monks are the best at healing/prot over any other profession."

Ritualist can heal too in most PvE situations, but that isn't what I was saying. The role the monks perform best is healing. Even in GvG smite builds, your monks are filling a healing role as well as a pressure role.

Traveller: You totally missed my point. While there is no "NEED" for a specific build if you have reasonably good players, you don't normally get reasonably good players in PvE PuGs. If a leader wants to put together a build to create some synergies to speed things up, that should be respected. If I am leading a group, I have every right to decide its functional makeup. Leaders don't make decisions because they hate people, they just want to get things done quickly and efficiently.

Makosi: This isn't about intrinsic traits of individuals it is about their roles on a team. Would you call a football coach a "racist" if a fullback insisted on playing halfback? Would I be a bigot if I didn't want an electrician to install my plumbing? Leave serious real world issues out of this since it doesn't apply. We are talking about professions, so our best real world comparison is unemployed industrial workers (steelworkers). No one thinks that people hate steelworkers, since people realize their simply isn't a place for the in the economy at the moment. Just as steelworkers are retraing, some people should just reroll if getting into a particular group is important too them.

A character class represents a character's archetype and career in some role-playing games (RPGs). Usually, players choose their class when they create their character and may not completely part from that class during the life of that character.

Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) introduced the usage of classes, and they are now found in all games which use the d20 system. They are also found in many computer and videogame RPGs. There may some customized sub-types, but the class system in any game is in itself a stereotype, otherwise you'd have a non-class structure such as GURPS or Ultima Online.