New Titles have 5 Tiers Read If You Want To Save Money

yeay im 2nd to post my charmed

On the 9 ring, there are 20 games in a row, 8 seconds each (5 in between, 3 countdown). There's a cool down of 30 seconds after 20 games. So effectively, every 20 games takes 190 seconds. It takes 45455 x 55 wins to get to 2.5 mil. Which means the amount of time it takes is:

45455 / 20 * 190 = 431822.5 seconds = 119.95 hours = 4.998 days.

Almost precisely 5 days; I still think ANet did this on purpose.

EDIT: However, in this sense, nobody will ever get the highest tier on Unlucky, unless the 16 ring is faster than the 9 ring.

DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER !!!!! All the mathematical analyses assumed just going AFK and having average luck. But if you actually, ARE (EXTREMELY) LUCKY, you would win far more tickets than the posts lay out and I believe it would be possible to achieve a higher title than it seems that time allows for. Although it is "possible" to max out the lucky title, you would not only have to win nearly every round, but there would have to be a severe distortion toward the corner squares winning in the nine circle game. I think it works out to needing an average of about 46 tickets won per round to get 2.5 million over the course of the 5 day event, which obviously requires the corner squares. So, not only would you have to pick the right squares, but ANet would have to distort the corners to be much more frequent winners.

The unlucky title simply cannot be maxed during this event no matter what because the number of losses required is greater than the number of games played over the course of the 5 days. Assuming one game every 8 seconds, there are only 54,000 games to be played in the five days.

There simply have to be other events, other than this one in subsequent years, for these two titles to be developed.

edit: I was unaware of the 30 second cooldown, so my numbers are off by that.

Sorry Solar, but I'm going to have to go with Loki as being the first guy to prove he had the title. I understand that you posted first, but that alone doesn't really prove anything. Watch:

hey guys, guess what! I just got the 5th tier! w00t!

The guy who posts the screenshot first is the first one to get it, as far as I'm concerned. Grats though on accomplishing it, that's a lot of tickets.

Good thing err7s never happen. Oh wait....

Uhhh but the titles dont do anything. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

So the argument about skill and grind means absolutely diddly squat. Seems like people are just repeating that mantra without even knowing what it means. And yes, I totally subscribe to the skill over grind philosophy.

In my opinion grinding means doing something consistantly to the point where one finally achieves his/her goal.I mean,you can grind for levels,items etc or in this case, Titles.

Well I do know what it means; if you're not a frequent PvP'er it still means for the majority of titles you need to either a) grind a lot or b) have a lot of money to spend... and b) is more often than not attained through a)

Protector/Explorer titles take some effort and time to achieve as you actually have to go through missions and such and achieve something, the same can't be said of stuff like drunkard or gold/chest running as those are typically just doing the same repetitive task over and over again (i.e. grinding)

If they put more titles in which required some sort of effort other than needing lots of gold/time, that would be more interesting I think and reflect better overall on the achievements reached to get those titles.

Ive been reading this topic, and sure to hell, alot of people are pissed. But you guys do realize, this is just too have a silly time with your friends? I mean come on its just a game, You dont need This title do you? However i do agree about the devs releasing Proper info at the site. What we should expect, complications and etc. Right now very few titles can get maxed, A Tyrian Cant Map Cantha 100% (Shing jea arena) Let alone tyria itself (Old Arenas). But if you planned from the beginning then you will get rewarded. I say the titlesare there if your bored and have nothing else to do. I say Exploration Title FTW. These titles are there for the fun of it, And from the way these updates are coming, you can see Anet is busy on something else. Relax and just make new characters if you are bored.

- My Two cents

Yes, they can.

No you still dont understand. It doesnt matter that some titles are grind based. It has nothing to do with the skill over grind philosophy because titles do NOT do anything. NOTHING.

The skill/grind philosophy refers to actual combat. Especially in PVP. The theory is that you dont need to grind to be competitive in PVP. Titles have nothing to do with that. So stop using the skill/grind argument.

No. They could do two things here.

1) Split the skill hunter title by campaign, just like the cartographer titles.

or

2) Make the title maxable based on the chapters available on your account. You would lose the title if you added a new chapter to the account, but it wouldn't be a surprise (zomg I lost the title1) Plus, if you did add a new key, then you probably try to re-max it.


What bothers me is that there are now several silly titles, and they are silly in the WORST ways.

Drunkard
Lucky
Unlucky
Wisdom

These are dumb titles, afk, exploit based, skill-less money-sink titles AND THEY ARE ALL MAXABLE!

The Skills Hunter title doesn't max even if you cap every elite in both chapters. So killing 180 elite bosses doesn't count, but drinking+zoning does!!??!

And there is no title AT ALL for Quests. There's a title for missions though, but not quests. They could easily make a Quest Title for non-repeatable non-holiday quest completion. You'd think that would be a virtual given.

So basically, you can get 4 titles that have some degree of meaning but to get that 5th title, you MUST max one of the silly ones.

I just don't get their logic.

You can do both of these. I went into the shing jea arena last night. Also the dragon fest lets you into the little tutorial area to map out (but even without that you can).

A tryian can get 100% without having the old tyrian arenas unlocked, I know because I did it without them. It is just a little harder without as much leeway.

None of the title are IMPOSSIBLE to get, but they are stupidly high in their requirements to max on most of them.

I do agree that the one planning for the elite skills is not fair. If I don't buy the next expansion then I am SOL. Best to get it as soon as you can when you get the next expansion anyway as they will probably raise it again in anticipation of the 4th chapter.

Wow only 4/25 Tyrian Mission Completion? That's really sad if that's a Tyrian char!

I understand what you're saying, but the Explorer, Protector and Skill Hunter titles require a certain degree of competence and skill. I'm not saying that are a direct indicator of ability, but they are NOT TRIVIAL. I had to kill every mob in both continents and then re-kill 157 Bosses to get double GMC, double Protector and ASH. I resent being told they are meaningless. Taken together, they do say something, although they are not a direct objective measure of skill, of course.

A Questing title would also be listed in the non-trivial category.

The Drunkard, Lucky, Unlucky and 'Wisdom' titles are silly pointless titles. You don't have to even play the game to get them. Silly titles are OK, a few are, but there are so many now that they are diluting the ones that mean something.

We are talking about luck aren't we? And if you have the luck to win 45 thousand times in a row (that's probably more unlikely than winning a few lotteries in a row), I'd think that they would be lucky enough not to have err7s. We're just talking about a very, very extreme case here--just that it's possible, but not probable.

Carinae kinda explained it a bit better - grind is not exclusively actual combat. Repetitive task over and over which takes little to no effort is what I mean by grind e.g. running to some chests over and over. ID'ing things. Drinking and zoning. Standing around for ages on some guessing game. None of those take any real effort. Farming for gold to take part in those things arguably doesn't take much thought/effort either (again just a mindless repetitive task after you've done it the first time)

I think quite a few people would resent that achieving full explorer/protector and similar titles in the PvE side of things can be dismissed as meaningless/pointless.

Note I did also specifically mention if you don't regularly PvP, as I suspected, correctly, the "PvP is what matters" train of thought would be exhibited... besides, let's not turn this thread into yet another PvEvP thing eh

Wow, this one is going to be way too expensive for most of the general population to max out. They might as well just make an NPC that will craft you a "Lover of Gold Sinks" title for a full stack of ecto and be done with it.

I'd like to say some nasty words to many people here but I won't- I'll be civil.

People are complaining about how they went and spent money in an attempt to max out their titles, only to find out the max level is next to impossible to obtain. The titles are made for a fun type of thing for people to work towards. Like status symbols.

The dev's don't mean to harass you with the max level being whittled out a good 10 hours after people start work on the titles. So you've put some effort into the title- keep going. See just how lucky you really are and get as high as you can.

thats sounds like a good idea, just make sure that you have a lot of money with you

SON OF A *****!!!
After going through 40k in tickets and getting Charmed I find this out... What the hell were they thinking when they made this? Biggest money sink ever, impossible to get the max title, everyone has it, this sucks. I think they made it on purpose to suck the economy of money. At least I can sell my remaing 5k in tickets for the same value I purchased them for.

Is that 5 days factoring in every time you lose, or 5 days of getting solid 55 ticket wins?

Wait, nevermind. It WILL NOT LET ME SELL MY TICKETS.
ANET is very very mean...

Argh... lost 15-16 full stacks of tickets to get it... and 15+ hours

Real bummer about multiple tiers, but it's probably for the best.

well, look at the bright side, its account based so all your characters will have the title.

EDIT: since everyone has charmed, im gonna get the hapless title, should have it by tomorrow after 15 hours of afking (well i hope).

hmmm... don't log out at the end of the event eh? That could be workable, but as you say, the only chat you are likely be getting is "A new build of Guild Wars is available" Any bets of getting an error 7 JUST before you max the title? LOL

As a side point, unless I am being particularly lucky, this does not quite seem to be the money sink I was expecting it to be. I bought 3000 tickets, have been playing mainly middle circle on the nine ring game and my results are as follows:

17250 tickets won
741 games lost

Total cost to me so far 200 tickets with 2800 tickets left.

Alright, now it's my time to argue. Sorry about that, but that's too much.

First off, let me remember what was perhaps the funiest day in Guild Wars for me: the day titles were implanted. 90% of the players - you know, those guys who joined your team and were like: "oh yeah I'm so experienced" were titleless. What does it mean: they hadn't even played the game. I mean: 60% Tyria exploration for example is what you get for beating the game and doing the quests - and I'm not saying all the quests. How many players in how many guild chats are asking for runs to Droks or troll power-leveling as I'm writing this?

Then titles became a "must-have" just to proove you're not completely dumb (on a side-note I truely respect those who have a modesty I dont have and choose not to show their titles). A new kind of posters appeared as well: frustrated players who have no clue about what's required to get a title and whining around, posting in every topic vaguely related to title how dumb titles are etc.

How many times have I read stuff like: exploration titles just prove you can run, or drunkard is a reward for being afk? If the whinners had attempted to earn one of those titles, they would know that you just can't get a grandmaster cartographer in running for example. You have to make your way through the hardest maps of the game, stand there for a while, hug all the walls, find back-ways to explore zones you're not supposed to reach, kill a whole charr army, solo the bonus area of the Dunes, and explore 10% of a map while an army of mursaats is trying a guy who can't die or it's over. Being a drunkard is not a reward for AFKness since you gotta pop a new ale every min. Wisdom title prove you have played enough a char to have gotten 100 gold items, etc.

Critics about this in my mind only prove one thing: the whinner can't deal with jealousy, or frustration.

Again, I truely respect those who don't show off their titles, or those wise enough not to try to get them, because they don't want to be bothered with that. But those are not the whiners posting about how dumb titles are.

Back on topic now: can't you just understand Lucky/unlucky titles are just a joke? What if someone want to get them? People are talking about titles being unfair etc, and blame anet for that. But what are title but how you consider them? Honnestly, I have a few "prestigious" titles: it never helped me find a team, and I dont think not having a title would have any consequence. What? Don't tell me you check the title of the guy who wanna join you for this mission before you accept or reject?! No, you just check his class. If you need him, you'll accept. And most likely you'll don't know his eventual title when you press the button "enter mission". No joke.

And again, it's a game, just a game.

Ah well the old arenas was taken from guildwiki.org . And is there nota level cap at shing jea? If not sorry for the mis interpret

Is anyone having any luck selling Tickets to merchants?

congrats lol

Here's my screenie.

I've done every quest and every mission on my elementalist and don't have 60% explored

I know what you meant but what I'm saying that your quote of "skill over grind" has nothing to do with all that. You have the definition of grind correct but the philosophy of that quote all wrong. When ANET says skill not time played it does not apply to titles because titles have nothing to do with actual combat. FoW armor, for instance, is pure grind but is still okay because it's only eye candy and doesnt affect combat at all.

Sure sure... the exploration title obviously isn't based on running. I raced round the mission for Dunes, killing everything in 5 minutes (as usual) with henchman and ran off to explore the edges. Did that twice (3rd time to get the frigging fort with the bridge thats 'up'). Thunderkeep, did the bonus with hench and ran around exploring after (then 3 more times cos i kept missing bits). Exploring The Falls? Ran it, exploring Lornars? Ran upto it with a friend and explored it then with hench. If it could be ran to, i ran to it and explored it. Hell i even ran Frost Gate with some strange deformed running build to solo what i needed to kill to progress!

Now its onto Cantha... i'm running round half that place too now.

Been a drunkard is a reward for having lots of time spent hoarding Spiked Eggnog or Hunters Ale. I'm doing the latter, i just can't be arsed to do the zoning and drinking yet, it requires more 'skill' that Carnie gives it credit for, but its still a lot less stupid than the new titles.

Its just begging for chest running. If this title didn't exist, how many people would actually of cared about the chests in Eternal Grove? Wisdom? All i'm doing is saving all the golds i find and transferring them to 1 char through storage. So much for skill. The 2 new titles have 'please go afk all week' written all over them. It was ok with a few joke titles (Drunkard ftw), but at least have more proper titles. As Carnie said, the 1 that requires skill (killing Mungri Magicbox doesn't happen by magic) get you a title that is impossible to max, standing afk in a ring holding enough tickets to see you through the week gets you a title to make Kind of a Big Deal worthless.

Do you really need to get a max title everytime... I am happy whenever I move up in a title. You play the game for fun and not to max out things that weren't there before. Just enjoy the game...

Sadly theres no reward for 'Kind of Kind of a Big Deal' or 'Your not quite enough of a Big Deal'. If its worth doing it, its worth doing it properly.

Kind Of A Big Deal. The ULTIMATE status symbol.

More so than FoW. Its something you just can't EBay. It's something that just screams- I've done a load of cool stuff, so cool, that I can't possibly show it all at once.

I'm glade those two new title have such a huge requirement to achieve.
They are totaly brainless titles and you get those by standing there doing nothing at all aka afk titles.

If it weren't the case, King of a Big Deal would have become BS.

Thanks Anet for those two gold sink ^^

(Omw to try the first stages of titles anyway)

Ahhhh! Carinae... ka-re-na... or even Cari

Not Carnie, no no. /shakes head

not really a gold sink if once you get the title you want you jump out at the right time, you'll be up by like 250 and you can just sell to merchant for all that you bought and there you go.