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Doomlord_Slayermann

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago IL

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

W/P

12 Jul 2006 at 00:27 - 202

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Years ago, on Compuserve (yes, compuserve) they had a system for notifying management if someone was being abusive in one of the chat rooms. You could type something, I can't remember what and one of the mods would show up and "listen" in. I think Anet could implement something like this where you could type /mod with dist and place and some one could come and catch them in the act.

If they can implement a system to prevent this being abused, then I would really like to see this one. It prevents ArenaNet from having to look carefully at EVERY chat log for abuse yet lets them deal with it.

Me like.

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

12 Jul 2006 at 00:27 - 203

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Years ago, on Compuserve (yes, compuserve) they had a system for notifying management if someone was being abusive in one of the chat rooms. You could type something, I can't remember what and one of the mods would show up and "listen" in. I think Anet could implement something like this where you could type /mod with dist and place and some one could come and catch them in the act.

Best idea I've heard

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

12 Jul 2006 at 00:49 - 204

ANet should make selling and buying in the local channel a permanent bannable offense. That would be funny.

Doomlord_Slayermann

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago IL

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

W/P

12 Jul 2006 at 00:55 - 205

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

ANet should make selling and buying in the local channel a permanent bannable offense. That would be funny.

Idiot depopulation is always FTW. /endpseudosarcasm

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

12 Jul 2006 at 01:10 - 206

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Years ago, on Compuserve (yes, compuserve) they had a system for notifying management if someone was being abusive in one of the chat rooms. You could type something, I can't remember what and one of the mods would show up and "listen" in. I think Anet could implement something like this where you could type /mod with dist and place and some one could come and catch them in the act.

A wonderful idea, better and more efficient then having even player mods...

One problem though. First you need to have A.Net mods in the first place.

Otherwise "Signet of Approval"

whitedragon

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Golden Dragons of Tyria (G0ID)

N/E

12 Jul 2006 at 02:15 - 207

hmm they could just make the ignore list have no max. It won't be a end all problem fix but it would help a whole lot. IMHO

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

12 Jul 2006 at 02:51 - 208

well, thts the beaty of all online games..... theres good ppl and theres idiots. if you dont know how to deal with idiots i recomend going X-Box live with your friends

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

12 Jul 2006 at 03:46 - 209

Well I have this and this only to say (and it's likely longwinded to a point.)

Since this thread I have noted a dramatic increase in peoples behaviors in game... More and more people are hanging out in Ascalon to help newbs. I've also noticed this in Cantha as well. Gratitude is a bit difficult to achieve but I can deal with that. What I am enjoying is the more friendly atmosphere and the fact that if I point out someone being stupid, that person takes it in stride and acknowledges it or at least gives me some intellegent reason as to why they disagree.
It was a great 2hrs in Ascalon today.... I met a guy working hard for his money but he willingly gave a newb a break on the price after he made certain it wasn't a high level screwing him over (can't blame him there).

While the spam in Ascalon is slimming, it's still ever flowing in Droks >_< and I have yet to really make a stop over in LA...

So for those of you that say get over it, just ignore it and so forth.... It can change if people work towards it, at least to be a somewhat better place.

And I think that the Scribe is making people conscious of the fact that yes indeed Anet or someone is certainly watching our behavior ingame. Maybe they just want their name in the paper.... It doesn't matter to me so long as they are being nicer. *shrugs*

Huzzah for conscious personal improvement ^_^

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

R/

12 Jul 2006 at 04:03 - 210

I agree with the OP completely and have only this to say to those who feels the same way:

Find a good guild of friends and stick with them and you will enjoy yourself in GW.

Edit: sorry for being off topic about accountability

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

12 Jul 2006 at 04:28 - 211

the fix I want... which is impossible with GW but I want it anyway

World PVP!

The reason WoW doesn't have this kind of silliness (in many cases) is because you can easily arrange to have a person thumped and kept dead for a long period of time... and in WoW it's very annoying to die since you don't just res and run back to the fight, you have to go and find your body to fight. World PvP FTW!

Sadly... I had my account stolen... else I'd still be playing WoW. GW is a great game (I don't get all this GW vs. WoW mentality, they're both awesome) but this accountability problem can be pretty serious. It can potentially ruin the game for anyone who doesn't already have a group of regulars that they game with.

I can't think of any viable solutions... free servers would never be able to handle world PvP, and allowing free for all PvP in the cities and outposts would be complete chaos, just wouldn't work...

hmm...

edit for Eviance: Yours is a brilliant solution, although it took the form of a comment rather than a solution. What goes around comes around. When I was regular in GW (many many moons ago) I would often give away cool items to low level players, especially as my monk (I like role playing to a degree) and I would always say "just remember to do the same when you're in the position to do so". I've had people do stuff like this for me also, as well as lots of free help with stuff like Galrath or Lornar's Pass which was a major goal for me long after I had ascended... not as a run but for the challenge of it, killing everything along the way. If you haven't fought your way through the pass I highly recommend it, unless they've nerfed it (which I doubt) it's VERY challenging and very exciting.

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

12 Jul 2006 at 04:57 - 212

The whole WoW vs. GW thing is a community inspired thing, it revolves around the fact that A.Net is composed mostly of Blizzard employees who jumped ship.

I am very happy to hear that we're reinvigorated some dormant kind hearts. I hope the wave of good nature continues to grow for a good while.

Ristaron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Canada, eh?

Legion Of Valhalla

E/

12 Jul 2006 at 06:08 - 213

I have been fortunate in my company during my game experience. First it was a guild I founded with some friends, but when inactivity plagued it (after months of fun times) I finally switched to a guild of people I had known in a previous game. They, and the alliance we are in, are always providing assistance to our people, and getting anything we need without the person expecting something in return. No question is 'noob', any mistake is looked on as an experience and not held against you, and a healthy level of mature humour is always maintained.

I have been fortunate where many others have not. Do I feel guilty in the least? Hell no.
Most of those ignorant assholes who are scamming, griefing, and all around being brats have gotten where they are from their own actions. Looking out only for themselves and screwing over decent people (especially those who could get them into their friendly guild) has got them to their loathed place in society... the bottom.

I do not feel sorry for those people, and I don't expect them to redeem themselves any time soon.
So long as there is internet anonymity, there will be people who think they can get away with it. So do as I do: ignore the idiots.

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

12 Jul 2006 at 07:49 - 214

4 people attempted to scam me today. No joke...

1. offered 3k less than i asked for for a minipet
2 offered gold instead of plat
3. switched items last second
4. offered a mod 1 pt off what I asked.

Its so ****ing rediculous. I was flamed by my entire group in Hells today after getting killed to 60% DP because the idiot spellcasters were aggroing extra groups then thinking "Oh **** I shudnta done that" and transfering aggro to THE MONK (me). The entire group spammed me for 15 minutes before i got annoyed and ignored them all because it was apparently my fault they sucked at aggroing.

I got yelled at in TA because apparently I was PMSing over people not attacking target A T A L L.

I had a monk who argued that he didnt have to follow the usual "Bonder" build that we asked for because he doesnt like using the usual build that work. Instead he brought AEGIS... that was his build. I paid for entrance to UW. Got no respect. Then I got yelled at and he threatened to report me for harassment even though he made we waste 1k.

My keyboard has been smashed to oblivion because people piss me off so damn badly in this game. Now I have to buy a new one. (no joke).

I only do missions with my friends in RL now because everyone else sucks.

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

12 Jul 2006 at 08:15 - 215

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

4 people attempted to scam me today. No joke...

1. offered 3k less than i asked for for a minipet
2 offered gold instead of plat
3. switched items last second
4. offered a mod 1 pt off what I asked.

Its so ****ing rediculous. I was flamed by my entire group in Hells today after getting killed to 60% DP because the idiot spellcasters were aggroing extra groups then thinking "Oh **** I shudnta done that" and transfering aggro to THE MONK (me). The entire group spammed me for 15 minutes before i got annoyed and ignored them all because it was apparently my fault they sucked at aggroing.

I got yelled at in TA because apparently I was PMSing over people not attacking target A T A L L.

I had a monk who argued that he didnt have to follow the usual "Bonder" build that we asked for because he doesnt like using the usual build that work. Instead he brought AEGIS... that was his build. I paid for entrance to UW. Got no respect. Then I got yelled at and he threatened to report me for harassment even though he made we waste 1k.

My keyboard has been smashed to oblivion because people piss me off so damn badly in this game. Now I have to buy a new one. (no joke).

I only do missions with my friends in RL now because everyone else sucks.

I feel your pain

Anyway, if you need a ranger, tank, or monk, feel free to contact me. Good guys like us have to stick together.

Braggi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

12 Jul 2006 at 11:22 - 216

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddes

i gotta agree,
the community is degrading. why? well thats an answer, that is not so easy to explain, but i got an idea:

karma points

its kinda like a reputation system, which allows player to "earn" points by helping put other players. like doing a mission with low lvl. poeple, just to help them out.

Well, maybe something in this line could work. AllaKhazam's forums have a nice feature - you start out with like ~2 reputation in a range of 0-5. If you post something, people can rate this. Posts of value get high ratings, flames and "quote+agree" are often rated down. You get titles by rank, not post count. "Sages" can be easily identified by a different color. And you can select which rating you want to read and which not (like anything > 1.5).
The result? People get reputation they don't want to loose, so they stick to the point with postings. Flamers and jerks soon vanish below visibility.

Could something like this be implemented? Would need some thought so that it can't be abused. Maybe evaluate the ignore lists - being on too many makes you loose reputation. Points you can attribute once a day ingame (good or bad), like mentioned above.
Then people have a reputation based on their ingame behavior (maybe with an icon to the name), and I can automatically screen out anyone with a bad rep. Just filter away anybody with rep < 2 and the virtual world will be a much nicer place.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

12 Jul 2006 at 11:57 - 217

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braggi

Well, maybe something in this line could work. AllaKhazam's forums have a nice feature - you start out with like ~2 reputation in a range of 0-5. If you post something, people can rate this. Posts of value get high ratings, flames and "quote+agree" are often rated down. You get titles by rank, not post count. "Sages" can be easily identified by a different color. And you can select which rating you want to read and which not (like anything > 1.5).
The result? People get reputation they don't want to loose, so they stick to the point with postings. Flamers and jerks soon vanish below visibility.

Could something like this be implemented? Would need some thought so that it can't be abused. Maybe evaluate the ignore lists - being on too many makes you loose reputation. Points you can attribute once a day ingame (good or bad), like mentioned above.
Then people have a reputation based on their ingame behavior (maybe with an icon to the name), and I can automatically screen out anyone with a bad rep. Just filter away anybody with rep < 2 and the virtual world will be a much nicer place.

I hate this. It puts you at the mercy of complete strangers. I know a GWforum that has this kind of system. As soon as I posted something I was at -35 credit. Took me weeks to get at +25 and than I left the forum. I understood that one gets credits when you give positive contributions, but since this was given by total strangers, I didn't trust it.
It is nice to be evaluated, but preferably not by strangers who's motives might be questionable at best.

Dien

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

the great finnish republic

R/Me

12 Jul 2006 at 12:15 - 218

This is the reason why i do missions with full heach team and awoid ppl who are not in my guild much ash possible >.>

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

12 Jul 2006 at 12:20 - 219

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

I hate this. It puts you at the mercy of complete strangers. I know a GWforum that has this kind of system. As soon as I posted something I was at -35 credit. Took me weeks to get at +25 and than I left the forum. I understood that one gets credits when you give positive contributions, but since this was given by total strangers, I didn't trust it.
It is nice to be evaluated, but preferably not by strangers who's motives might be questionable at best.

I have been on other forums with this type of rating as well. It all depends on your attitude and your general personality when you post things. If you're unpleasant, obviously people will not like you, and you get graded down. Being graded by total strangers says a lot about my personality. I generally get positive points and it probably means I get along well with people.

I'm not very sure what you posted there but yeah, that's how it works...

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

12 Jul 2006 at 12:46 - 220

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

I have been on other forums with this type of rating as well. It all depends on your attitude and your general personality when you post things. If you're unpleasant, obviously people will not like you, and you get graded down. Being graded by total strangers says a lot about my personality. I generally get positive points and it probably means I get along well with people.

I'm not very sure what you posted there but yeah, that's how it works...

I posted not any different than I post here. Oh, I remember posting that low lvl players trying to join high level quest sucked. That gave me some negative credability. What I learned from that was that giving an opinion is bad. Especially when some of the low lvl leechers thought I was talking about them.
I think some will even judge you by your grammar. I have 100K in my stash. Maybe by giving everybody 1K, they get to like me more.

To be short; Stupid system.

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

12 Jul 2006 at 16:33 - 221

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddes

i gotta agree,
the community is degrading. why? well thats an answer, that is not so easy to explain, but i got an idea:

karma points

its kinda like a reputation system, which allows player to "earn" points by helping put other players. like doing a mission with low lvl. poeple, just to help them out.

also, every player would be able to give ONE single karma point per day to ANOTHER player, who has been nice to him.

you could introduce multiple titles in the character screen, depending on how many points you collected this way.

---

well maybe my "idea" isnt perfect, but i think ANET needs to make clear that "helping out, pays out" and the karma system would motivate more player, to be nice.

just my two cents

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hooo...

ok, for your reading assignment, go look up slashdot.org and kuro5hin.org, and find out why karma points is a failed experiment.

eudas

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

12 Jul 2006 at 16:37 - 222

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

I posted not any different than I post here. Oh, I remember posting that low lvl players trying to join high level quest sucked. That gave me some negative credability. What I learned from that was that giving an opinion is bad. Especially when some of the low lvl leechers thought I was talking about them.
I think some will even judge you by your grammar. I have 100K in my stash. Maybe by giving everybody 1K, they get to like me more.

To be short; Stupid system.

I used to belong to forum that had this system, too. What ends up happening is that people rate those they like high, those they don't recognize neutral or low, those who have a different opinion from theirs low, etc. There was no objectivity. All a high rating meant was "a popular regular". It didn't mean diddlysquat in terms of whether the person's post was meaningful in any way. So I'd hate to see something like that implemented in GW.

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

12 Jul 2006 at 18:52 - 223

There are lots of bad/annoying people everywhere. You don't think they would get in mmo's too?

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

12 Jul 2006 at 21:29 - 224

The ammount of people who have attempted to scam me lately has increased by an easily noticable ammount since I started playing.

At least 3 times a day I see someone scamming.

J3mo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

NL

Please contact the Administrator if your date of birth has changed.

Mo/

13 Jul 2006 at 00:59 - 225

They should make Dutch districts, 2 out of 5 ppl in english dists are Dutch.
And there are maybe 1000 spanish people in total but hey, they DO have a national district, same for italian

Domino

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Houston

A/Rt

13 Jul 2006 at 07:13 - 226

I've been seeing an age old scam lately, especially in the AB.....

some guy, (usually on the opposing team) will go:

"ALT F4 TO START THE ROUND"

and then you'll see....

Player X has left the game
Player Y has left the game
Player Z has left the game

.... the fact that people still fall for this just baffles the mind

seriously, the early nineties called... it wants it's scam back.

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

13 Jul 2006 at 10:11 - 227

in my not humble opinion, anyone who hits Alt F4 at the beginning of a round deserves exactly what they get. And if it happens to them twice they deserve it even more... if it happens to them three times they should spend more time learning things and less time playing games.

One of my favorite jokes in PvP was to say: "secret code: Press Alt-F4 to restart your PC"

Sets a nice friendly environment because most people can understand what I'm making fun of.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 10:20 - 228

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

in my not humble opinion, anyone who hits Alt F4 at the beginning of a round deserves exactly what they get. And if it happens to them twice they deserve it even more... if it happens to them three times they should spend more time learning things and less time playing games.

One of my favorite jokes in PvP was to say: "secret code: Press Alt-F4 to restart your PC"

Sets a nice friendly environment because most people can understand what I'm making fun of.

It is the oldest scam in the world. Convincing your opponents to press Alt F4. Some people will even sell their souls to get an easy victory. When someone in my party even mentions it, they instantly appear on my ignore list.
I never fell for it, but I hate every form of scamming or lamerism.
It actually looks like a last desperate try to get away from a good honest battle.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

13 Jul 2006 at 11:22 - 229

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

It is the oldest scam in the world. Convincing your opponents to press Alt F4. Some people will even sell their souls to get an easy victory. When someone in my party even mentions it, they instantly appear on my ignore list.
I never fell for it, but I hate every form of scamming or lamerism.
It actually looks like a last desperate try to get away from a good honest battle.

Hear hear!

The thing is there is always some nut who will continue to spam it throughout the battle, I see this often in HoH and Alliance Battles.

It's stupid, a only serves to spoil the game for both sides, anyone doing this should rethink their gameplay or quit from PvP.

Jhadur

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

13 Jul 2006 at 11:32 - 230

Saw the "Press Alt+F4 to get your mask" message so many times during the dragon festival while the emperor was there talking.

What do people get out of that? I sure don't know.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

13 Jul 2006 at 13:52 - 231

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jhadur

Saw the "Press Alt+F4 to get your mask" message so many times during the dragon festival while the emperor was there talking.

What do people get out of that? I sure don't know.

Because for every single online game in the world, some people's idea of 'fun' is to try and upset and spoil the fun of others.

Sad but true.

Doomlord_Slayermann

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago IL

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

W/P

13 Jul 2006 at 15:19 - 232

I have one good use for the Alt+F4 trick (for Ascalon City, mostly):

ATTENTION ALL BEGGARS: I am sending you money now, hold Alt and press F4 to accept it

Suddenly the local chat is almost bearable.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 15:25 - 233

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

I have one good use for the Alt+F4 trick (for Ascalon City, mostly):

ATTENTION ALL BEGGARS: I am sending you money now, hold Alt and press F4 to accept it

Suddenly the local chat is almost bearable.

While you are at it, can you give me 50G, so I can open up a storage. Please don't force me to go out and do quests. There are big monsters out there man!
I bough Guild Wars just to dance nekkid in town, and my F4 button doesn't work

Lord Oranos

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fort Aspenwood

13 Jul 2006 at 15:34 - 234

Iono, the ALT+F4 thing is amusing to see when you see people start to disappear, was really amusing to see it the first time, but yeah, if I see it all the time, its extremely annoying(and besides the people that did ALT+F4 most likely were a liability to the team)

Oh, but one thing comes to mind of poor behavior, If you goto the temple of balth, you will 9/10 times see people cussing at each other, tossing insults around, and pretty much anything else you can think of.

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 15:48 - 235

Needed a good laugh this morning alt+f4 scam, it’s one of the oldest joke’s to play on someone since day one of key board short cuts.

Quote:

Keyboard shortcuts for Windows

F1: Help
• CTRL+ESC: Open Start menu
• ALT+TAB: Switch between open programs
• ALT+F4: Quit program
• SHIFT+DELETE: Delete item permanently

I'm going to report you for alt+f4 scam
/Sarcasm

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lost Haven

A/Mo

13 Jul 2006 at 15:56 - 236

well the first time you see the alt f4 you don't relize what it does unless you know the shortcuts. Like when i played another online game i didn't know what it did, so i did it and i got mad.

Saying They "deserve it" is like saying Someone convinced someone to jump off a cliff, the one person deserve to go splat? Not really, and don't think that hasn't happened before... cults anyone?

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

13 Jul 2006 at 18:06 - 237

oh come on, it's funny.

eudas

Leos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

13 Jul 2006 at 18:13 - 238

It's probally funny when you see it for the first time, then it's get boring, then you get irritated...

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

13 Jul 2006 at 19:21 - 239

when i see it done to someone else: i giggle.
when i see someone trying to get me to do it: i roll my eyes and laugh at them.

i mean, come on, it's silly, it's funny, it's relatively harmless, and most people won't fall for it twice...

eudas

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 19:55 - 240

Quote:

Originally Posted by eudas

when i see it done to someone else: i giggle.
when i see someone trying to get me to do it: i roll my eyes and laugh at them.

i mean, come on, it's silly, it's funny, it's relatively harmless, and most people won't fall for it twice...

eudas

It is of the same intelligence as the "Pull my finger" joke, but that is what you get when you play a game even a nine year old can join.

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

13 Jul 2006 at 21:11 - 241

i wound up running one of those captain rujiyo quests with a 13 yr old kid from australia... almost finished it, too. he was pretty good.

i dunno, the alt-f4 thing doesn't strike me as anything to get all worked up over. it could be annoying if overdone, but i rarely see it very often. by its very nature, it's a joke that, if it were to become a "Fad", too many people would see it/know about it for it to fool anyone. so, it winds up being a joke with Longevity, so long as it stays below a certain attention-threshhold.

i don't want to seem like i'm defending the jerks, but some of the examples given (like the one a few posts up about jumping off cliffs, and cults) are just... stupid. it's a joke, cmon, lighten up. nobody dies. people might even learn something (alt-f4 closes programs! wow!)...

and, as a final note, no, i don't go around telling people to do this. i just think it's marginally funny when someone else does it, and suddenly there's only 3 people left in the zone... :P

eudas