So now that Griffons are nerfed...
Thanas
I don't really care about farming. I've tried farming as a necro and its just not possible. Necros are just too plain weak dmg and arnour wise. I can use life leaching etc to stay alive, however when there are multiple healers its impossible to make any kills. So stuff farming I couldn't care less.
PieXags
Ah Thanus you see I have a necro and I used to farm outside gates of Kryta with him, the monsters weren't tough and every one dropped at least SOMETHING. It wasn't the greatest was of making money and was pretty inferior to some other peoples rates but I could make a good 8-10k per hour if I tried hard enough and just kept doing runs.
Of course now none of the monsters drop hardly anything at all so that's all gone up in smoke.
Of course now none of the monsters drop hardly anything at all so that's all gone up in smoke.
Witchblade
Jade Scarab when using build based on enchants ? gl .. one of the nastiest crap among monsters of GW 
Ishamael Sedai
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Originally Posted by Disciple
when you find that next farming spot, keep it to yourself.
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I thought it was nerfed also, but yesterday I got 2 or 3 golds including a 14 over 50 max dragon sword.
Silmor
The idea of farming is repeatedly abusing mobs you can easily kill (usually groups of pure warrior monsters, basically whichever uses melee attacks) and not going beyond that, just killing those repeatedly. A necromancer can do that just fine - if you're worrying about healers you're obviously too busy actually playing the game.
My problem with farming for money is that eventually you force everyone else to farm if they're to do anything at all in the economy. Farmers can afford the high prices for ectoplasm/shards for Fissure armour, so the prices stay high, and farmers remain the only group who can afford them.
I can imagine if you enjoy farming, I can even understand why you think you need to farm to accomplish anything (but know that farmers before you are the reason why you 'need' to farm, if anything), but I don't think you can count on much sympathy from either ArenaNet or people who don't farm when spots that give disproportionally higher/easier returns than other places get balanced.
This game wasn't designed for your kind of play. It may allow for it, but don't expect ArenaNet to cater to it. Guild Wars tried to be something different, so let's respect it for what it is, and not try to make it into another WoW/EQ where farmers/bots dominate the market.
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PieXags, I just adventured outside of Gates of Kryta solo on a necromancer, and got pretty much exactly the same drops as I did about a month ago - plenty of blues, two purples, and basically a full inventory by the time I cleared one path to the North Kryta province. I don't see the problem.
My problem with farming for money is that eventually you force everyone else to farm if they're to do anything at all in the economy. Farmers can afford the high prices for ectoplasm/shards for Fissure armour, so the prices stay high, and farmers remain the only group who can afford them.
I can imagine if you enjoy farming, I can even understand why you think you need to farm to accomplish anything (but know that farmers before you are the reason why you 'need' to farm, if anything), but I don't think you can count on much sympathy from either ArenaNet or people who don't farm when spots that give disproportionally higher/easier returns than other places get balanced.
This game wasn't designed for your kind of play. It may allow for it, but don't expect ArenaNet to cater to it. Guild Wars tried to be something different, so let's respect it for what it is, and not try to make it into another WoW/EQ where farmers/bots dominate the market.
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PieXags, I just adventured outside of Gates of Kryta solo on a necromancer, and got pretty much exactly the same drops as I did about a month ago - plenty of blues, two purples, and basically a full inventory by the time I cleared one path to the North Kryta province. I don't see the problem.
PieXags
I've nothing left to do in the game but go for the last few sets of armor and completely max out my characters.
Other than that, there's nothing for me. As of right now, I'm unable to accomplish that, I can't even farm for fun anymore. I don't even care about "inflating prices" or anything like that, I just need some way to accomplish the goals I used to be able to work for, but can't any longer.
If I can't do that my only option is to say "Screw GuildWars I've beaten it there's nothing more to it." And I don't want to do that.
Other than that, there's nothing for me. As of right now, I'm unable to accomplish that, I can't even farm for fun anymore. I don't even care about "inflating prices" or anything like that, I just need some way to accomplish the goals I used to be able to work for, but can't any longer.
If I can't do that my only option is to say "Screw GuildWars I've beaten it there's nothing more to it." And I don't want to do that.
silvertemplar
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In other words, once you've beaten it, there is nothing more to it.
GW PvE is not really a mmorpg, it's a single player with some coop abilities. All that remain is PvP , and well that is again just "Team Fortress/Counterstrike in Fantasy land" .
Now if i assume Anet sees it the same way, then it makes sense what they are doing. They don't WANT to spend time adding PvE content [other than the expansion], just like LucasArts/Microsoft will not patch their games with actual content every month [without bringing out an expansion].
Catch is, PvE is influencing PvP in a MAJOR way, so i think Anet digged a little hole for themselves there [which they are clearly covering up fast]. My oppinion is they want to move away from PvE and put the emphasis on PvP play. What's the quickest way to do that without adding actual content? Yea, thats right : Remove/Nerf Content.
If things go on like now, my guess is it'll simply be easier to PvP your way to your next set of armor.
I wouldnt be surprised if the expansion will contain more PvP centric updates/changes than PvE. [I.e. adding more skills/races which will throw in a twist in PvP, but will hardly make a huge difference in PvE]. Areas will just be a means to fool around with the PvP content a bit [experimenting] without feeling you are repeating stuff with the added content.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
I dont have a real prob with actual drops..the worst is that drop decreasing past 10-15 runs
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Van the Warrior
posting this it is off my second griffon run today along with it i also looted a non max damage gold axe 4-26 with a 10/6 furious haft which i succesfully salvaged
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Thanas
I don't really care about farming. I've tried farming as a necro and its just not possible. Necros are just too plain weak dmg and arnour wise. I can use life leaching etc to stay alive, however when there are multiple healers its impossible to make any kills. So stuff farming I couldn't care less.
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you can do it
Thanas
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Originally Posted by Silmor
My problem with farming for money is that eventually you force everyone else to farm if they're to do anything at all in the economy. Farmers can afford the high prices for ectoplasm/shards for Fissure armour, so the prices stay high, and farmers remain the only group who can afford them.
I can imagine if you enjoy farming, I can even understand why you think you need to farm to accomplish anything (but know that farmers before you are the reason why you 'need' to farm, if anything), but I don't think you can count on much sympathy from either ArenaNet or people who don't farm when spots that give disproportionally higher/easier returns than other places get balanced. This game wasn't designed for your kind of play. It may allow for it, but don't expect ArenaNet to cater to it. Guild Wars tried to be something different, so let's respect it for what it is, and not try to make it into another WoW/EQ where farmers/bots dominate the market. |
Dyeeo
Farming is fun. But you know, there are faster ways to get money PvE :P
And no, I am not talking about rushing or scamming.
And no, I am not talking about rushing or scamming.
Thanas
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
try bringing soem hexes and some enchantment removals. necros can farm as they have the second best armor in the game along with rangers. experiment you will find a build to use. just remember enchantment removal hexes, and kill the healers first :P you can do it
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Dyeeo
Nm! That got nerfed too.
eventhorizen
Did it ever occur to any of you that farming is considered against the spirit of playing the damn game?
Did it ever occur to any of you that this game is not about money? sheesh.
Your upset because a.net has made zones you used to plunder repeatedly for vast sums of wealth a lot less valuable.
LOL.
Did it ever occur to any of you that this game is not about money? sheesh.
Your upset because a.net has made zones you used to plunder repeatedly for vast sums of wealth a lot less valuable.
LOL.
smitty-gw
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Originally Posted by eventhorizen
Did it ever occur to any of you that farming is considered against the spirit of playing the damn game?
Did it ever occur to any of you that this game is not about money? sheesh. Your upset because a.net has made zones you used to plunder repeatedly for vast sums of wealth a lot less valuable. LOL. |
Unfortunately it seems that A-net is promoting it to a certain degree. The fluxuating prices of desireable runes, dyes, etc. dictate a need for capital.
It is difficult to run missions in a time-effective manner if you use PUG's. It is difficult to run missions effectively with the available hench. The way A-net desires us to play to gain wealth, effectively randomly exploring vast areas or repeated missions, is not that easy.
This is why people look for farming spots. They desire wealth to obtain the armor, runes, upgrades that they want. I personally feel no need to farm and am satisfied with my equipment. It does not prevent me from playing the game successfully nor does it decrease my enjoyment factor.
I feel if A-net allows the economy to fluxuate as it currently does, farming, botting etc. will only increase. This was not their original intention, I hope.
I always remember the runewords from D2 which Blizzard instituted as a carrot on a stick. Taunting you with them with no legitimate chance of obtaining them, yet frowning on the plague of botting that they were the cause of.
I hope A-net doesn't let this game go there, but truly, based on the available equipment needed for the game and the balance of these items, I don't think it will, or at least I hope. These 75K armor sets are a bit suspect though aren't they? Don't they promote farming and/or botting to obtain?
Arthur Eld
Yeah, the expensive armor promotes farming...but it doesn't do anything. It looks nice. That's it. The way the game is set up, you can make it to Droknar's Forge (assuming you don't get rushed) without farming, and be able to afford the final set of armor for your character. The 15K armor, the Fissure armor, and dyes are all excess things. The only MINOR problem with money is runes. One person may have an extra +1 to absorption or an extra +10 to health, but other than that, everyone else stat-wise is attainable without farming at all. And for the love of god, stop bashing ANet. Criticize them, but do it with respect. They provide free servers, and they provide nearly weekly updates. They deserve a lot better than what the community has been giving them.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior
griffons not nerfed
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Must've just been bad luck Disciple.
knightspast
Anet does not actualy nerf any farming site what happens is when a player over farms a site it drops you leave the site alone for a week or two the site goes back up think like a real farmer sometimes you just need to let a field lay fallow for a bit
Orochim4ru
The maps go fallow after around 3 runs, and after doing 3 runs somewhere else they seem to return to full drop rate. This however, is just what i've seen, and it may be inaccurate.
Tactical-Dillusions
Well, i used to farm griffons and rotate to a new area every 2 runs and repeat. I used to get at least 2 gold drops on each run, sometimes as many as 4 gold drops. It was fun to throw away your last gold drop because you just found one that was even better.
Suddenly, after a patch, the drops turned crap. Most runs now contain just a couple of blues or a non-max purple.
Yes, gold drops do show up from time to time and after a FULL day farming i might collect 2-3 max weapons that are actually worth saving. (>50% etc)
Since that nerf, all items that i have unlocked have been on NON-MAX weapons...that's strange in itself! Why should i be unlocking the highest possible upgrades on weapons that are 3-4 points off max?
In my opinion, Anet haven't got a clue and the botters have got Anet around their little finger.
How do Anet respond? Nerf the whole game and screw the "honest farmers" who they claim to endorse.
Their strategy is all wrong and it's very sad indeed.
ArenaNet claim to be a group of folks who have vast experience in gaming yet they failed to perceive farming, botting or ebaying as a reality in online gaming.
C'mon Anet, you have upset a large crowd of honest players yet you never had a backup plan. Disappointing.
Suddenly, after a patch, the drops turned crap. Most runs now contain just a couple of blues or a non-max purple.
Yes, gold drops do show up from time to time and after a FULL day farming i might collect 2-3 max weapons that are actually worth saving. (>50% etc)
Since that nerf, all items that i have unlocked have been on NON-MAX weapons...that's strange in itself! Why should i be unlocking the highest possible upgrades on weapons that are 3-4 points off max?
In my opinion, Anet haven't got a clue and the botters have got Anet around their little finger.
How do Anet respond? Nerf the whole game and screw the "honest farmers" who they claim to endorse.
Their strategy is all wrong and it's very sad indeed.
ArenaNet claim to be a group of folks who have vast experience in gaming yet they failed to perceive farming, botting or ebaying as a reality in online gaming.
C'mon Anet, you have upset a large crowd of honest players yet you never had a backup plan. Disappointing.
Zaklex
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Originally Posted by Tactical-Delusions
ArenaNet claim to be a group of folks who have vast experience in gaming yet they failed to perceive farming, botting or ebaying as a reality in online gaming. C'mon Anet, you have upset a large crowd of honest players yet you never had a backup plan. Disappointing.
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zidane888
Zaklex that is truely interesting. This explains why I always get a gold drop when i get home from work and 5 hours later i get nothing. Is this something you have figured out or has Anet explained this before?
Zaklex
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Originally Posted by zidane888
Zaklex that is truely interesting. This explains why I always get a gold drop when i get home from work and 5 hours later i get nothing. Is this something you have figured out or has Anet explained this before?
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zidane888
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Originally Posted by Zaklex
No I didn't figure this out, it was stated by A.net, and don't ask me to find out where, I'm not going to do your homework.
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hydrak
Now that griffons are nerfed, let's solo UW. Don't expect any gold/rare item in UW, but you should find quite a few globs of ectoplasm.
Porkchop Sandwhiches
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Originally Posted by hydrak
Now that griffons are nerfed, let's solo UW. Don't expect any gold/rare item in UW, but you should find quite a few globs of ectoplasm.
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On a side note, I was gone from the game for three weeks during a move. Before I left ecto was 4k each, and now they are 11k or so. >< I feel so poor now haha.
hydrak
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Originally Posted by Porkchop Sandwhiches
I seem to recall a warrior yapping in ToA the other day about trying such a feat.
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If you see a monk yapping about it, then you'd better believe it.
Tactical-Dillusions
I'm sorry zaklex, i seem to have been misunderstood.
I know the EULA terms and i even try to remind the "less fortunate" players of the same rules whilst ingame
I was trying to state that farmers are being hit with the same "nerf bat" that botters are supposedly being hit with.
Gaile has said on a number of occasions that they don't mind people farming and killing the same monsters over and over (although they didn't originally plan it like that) but it's just a tad unfair to lose some of the fun when ArenaNet would have been less frowned upon by simply having a backup plan with regard to botting.
All the nerfs do is make "repetitive players" ...err...repeat more. Despite the nerfs, i have tonight reached 1 million gold and it made me realise that the most i will ever be able to have is just another 400,000 more.
Point being? If i can get that much gold from my own activities...bots must still be able to get even more, since they don't take a leak, eat or sleep.
Even if their were no rare drops, they would make more than enough "real" money from selling gold in 500k lots.
I am no programming wizard but surely ArenaNet could think of something a little more constructive.
How about every person who leaves a town/outpost has to perform a complicated (but not difficult) task?
Basic arithmatic or copy the letters that you see (like email password verification etc).
There could be lots of possible random things to sway the botters. Change the task often so it takes a human to leave the outpost..not some "learning bot" either.
C'mon Anet, you're smarter than those botting bastages. Smack them down and re-establish your authority over those who profit from YOUR game.
I know the EULA terms and i even try to remind the "less fortunate" players of the same rules whilst ingame
I was trying to state that farmers are being hit with the same "nerf bat" that botters are supposedly being hit with.
Gaile has said on a number of occasions that they don't mind people farming and killing the same monsters over and over (although they didn't originally plan it like that) but it's just a tad unfair to lose some of the fun when ArenaNet would have been less frowned upon by simply having a backup plan with regard to botting.
All the nerfs do is make "repetitive players" ...err...repeat more. Despite the nerfs, i have tonight reached 1 million gold and it made me realise that the most i will ever be able to have is just another 400,000 more.
Point being? If i can get that much gold from my own activities...bots must still be able to get even more, since they don't take a leak, eat or sleep.
Even if their were no rare drops, they would make more than enough "real" money from selling gold in 500k lots.
I am no programming wizard but surely ArenaNet could think of something a little more constructive.
How about every person who leaves a town/outpost has to perform a complicated (but not difficult) task?
Basic arithmatic or copy the letters that you see (like email password verification etc).
There could be lots of possible random things to sway the botters. Change the task often so it takes a human to leave the outpost..not some "learning bot" either.
C'mon Anet, you're smarter than those botting bastages. Smack them down and re-establish your authority over those who profit from YOUR game.
SOT
I keep running into these threads, and although I have no direspect for those posting them, I think you hit your head on something hard and sharp as a child.
I have been farming/hunting for mats and gold for my guild and my gear since day one, and this nerfing business simply DOES NOT EXIST FOR ME. I simply have no idea how to prove or disprove all this god damn bitching and whining.
It makes no sense. I never lose drop rates at all. Not ever. I still get yellows, purpeles, runes, etc all the god damned time.
What are you people snorting? Is this some alternate demension where guild wars has it's rewards removed from those who enter/exit a place 900 billion times for a chest or something?
Someone explain to me how, when and where, because so far, all I see is your bullshit...
I have been farming/hunting for mats and gold for my guild and my gear since day one, and this nerfing business simply DOES NOT EXIST FOR ME. I simply have no idea how to prove or disprove all this god damn bitching and whining.
It makes no sense. I never lose drop rates at all. Not ever. I still get yellows, purpeles, runes, etc all the god damned time.
What are you people snorting? Is this some alternate demension where guild wars has it's rewards removed from those who enter/exit a place 900 billion times for a chest or something?
Someone explain to me how, when and where, because so far, all I see is your bullshit...
Krank
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I keep running into these threads, and although I have no direspect for those posting them, I think you hit your head on something hard and sharp as a child.
I have been farming/hunting for mats and gold for my guild and my gear since day one, and this nerfing business simply DOES NOT EXIST FOR ME. I simply have no idea how to prove or disprove all this god damn bitching and whining. It makes no sense. I never lose drop rates at all. Not ever. I still get yellows, purpeles, runes, etc all the god damned time. What are you people snorting? Is this some alternate demension where guild wars has it's rewards removed from those who enter/exit a place 900 billion times for a chest or something? Someone explain to me how, when and where, because so far, all I see is your bullshit... |
I for .. well 2 apparently havent noticed a ...drop... in my drop rate, i still get my choice rares when farming, and earn a fair share of cash
Red Sonya
The problem I see and have stated it before, too many people want what Joe Blow has got in the same amount of "DAYS" played vs "TIME" played. Bots are always going to make more than a regular player no matter what they do. So I don't see the point of blaming it on bots. The drop rate needed to be nerfed, hell everyone was making oodles of money per day before the nerf. Well everyone with any sense that is. Now, it's better, whereas if one can make 10k a day (which I can) I think that's plenty enough and gives the game longevity to "farm" more often and be "patient" for the good drops. What happened is A-Net spoilt many people with all the purple and gold drops too fast before and now they are crying cause they don't get two gold drops a run or more everytime through the same zone. Grow up and live with "changes", A-Nets not going to make an immediate turn around after just implementing a new change because of a handful of forum whinners. They will probably give it SIX MONTHS of trial and see how the economy changes and people finally adjust to it. One things for sure new players to the game will never know so they won't be concerned at all. And WORKING now for that 75k armor is much more enjoyable than it was before when it was so easy to aquire the cash to get it. Now all they need to do is stop the Droknars runs for cash and that will pretty much eliminate a big portion of the problems with easy income in the game. No runs, no profit for those who would seek to find the easy income with little effort out of the game.
BigTru
Chest Runs > Griffons
Orochim4ru
Chest runs don't drop 20 gold items per hour. The merchant in augury must be wondering if i'm crazy selling all those 15>50 items.
Vex
hehe, I still think it is funny that people think the Dev's nerf spots because we tell everyone where to go. Its not like they couldnt go to riverside and go " hmm...Wonder why there are so many Mo/W and W/Mo; I think I will follow them.". I know lots of places to farm. LOTS heh and wait untill the update that Nerfs the hell out of all the Mo/?? because now monks are doing alot of damage in the UW
PhineasToke
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Originally Posted by PieXags
Lets just sum up how grave the situation has become.
The best and easiest way to make money in PvE is now to run people from town to town. Droknar runners will get more money in one run than I will in 2 hours. And that's just plain CRAP. |
Sad, it should be banned.
spiritofcat
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Originally Posted by hydrak
If you see a warrior yapping about soloing UW, chances are he is just yapping.
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I can solo UW with an Elementalist, and could do it just as easily with a Warrior.
Scol
A warrior with what secondary? ;D
Man I'm just like if people wanna farm, let em do so. I do it, but I don't do it for the money... I just want that uber max weapon/shield and I want to unlock more runes. Plus finding some good stuff for your guildmates is always a good thing.
Yeah I gotta figure out the zoning because often times I get all whites with occasional blues.
Man I'm just like if people wanna farm, let em do so. I do it, but I don't do it for the money... I just want that uber max weapon/shield and I want to unlock more runes. Plus finding some good stuff for your guildmates is always a good thing.
Yeah I gotta figure out the zoning because often times I get all whites with occasional blues.
Algren Cole
I used to make a considerable amount of money doing the Undead Horde Mission over and over and over again (it's in Beeteltun). Now I go and fight the undead horde, which is pretty impressive to solo, and 1 out of every 15 undead drops something. It's still good for a quick 200-300 XP if you need a skill point....but it's rediculous that they'd nerf that....there's only 1 character that could even attempt to solo it and it's 100x harder than soloing a couple of Griffons...
I just recently got into farmer....not for the gold because I already have my 15K armor and I'm not interested in that "UBER WEAPON OF DOOM FOR +1 DMG"....I enjoy the skill involved in coming up with a build that works for different areas. There is no "Farm" build...no one build that works everywhere, and its an enjoyment to come up with a build that will work for each area.....but that enjoyment is completely drained when you slaughter a mob of 50 undead and you look around and there's 2 white scythes and 48 gold coins...
I just recently got into farmer....not for the gold because I already have my 15K armor and I'm not interested in that "UBER WEAPON OF DOOM FOR +1 DMG"....I enjoy the skill involved in coming up with a build that works for different areas. There is no "Farm" build...no one build that works everywhere, and its an enjoyment to come up with a build that will work for each area.....but that enjoyment is completely drained when you slaughter a mob of 50 undead and you look around and there's 2 white scythes and 48 gold coins...
kleps
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I just recently got into farmer....not for the gold because I already have my 15K armor and I'm not interested in that "UBER WEAPON OF DOOM FOR +1 DMG"....I enjoy the skill involved in coming up with a build that works for different areas. There is no "Farm" build...no one build that works everywhere, and its an enjoyment to come up with a build that will work for each area.....but that enjoyment is completely drained when you slaughter a mob of 50 undead and you look around and there's 2 white scythes and 48 gold coins...
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as for drops, its only fun to do several in a row, then it just gets repetitive and you get your 2 white items and little gold.
i wont discuss where i farm, as its been discussed many times over already.