Hello, I'm sure this dead horse has been beaten to oblivion, but I was just recently (along with my party) the victim of an intentional griefer during a run to the fissure of woe.
The story is this: Our fully competent party does very well through the beginning area of the fissure, killing the priest, lich dragons, and basically anything else. After killing the priest and finishing his mission, we decide to continue. 6 of the 7 players in the area there agreed to do the eternal forgemaster. One wanted to do wailing lord.
Now, majority rules right? Well, thanks to the brilliant system in GW, it doesn't. This one person decided that if s/he couldn't have its way, it would make hell for all of us. It started with a tolerable amount--the person did not join us to the forgemaster--a waste of time for him/her/it but at least we got all the drops without him/her/it.
Well, eventually this person saw that we were doing fine as a 6 person group, and decided that retribution for the lack of fulfillment of his her its juvenile stance was required. Dragging monsters to Rastigan on the other side of the map, this person made us lose about 1-2 hours of work.
Here are some photos:
During the assault on Rastigan
We die
The following convo part 1
The following convo part 2
The following convo part 3
The following convo part 4
The following convo part 5
A sincerely wish something can be done about this. I plan to E-Mail anet and hope to have action taken against this deliberate griefing technique and person.
And yes. I was mad.
Intentional Griefing and the Fissure of Woe
Lasareth
Lasareth
Also, the other members of this party were superb. I would recommend them for any and all missions or quests!
Moltov joss
That person you mentioned is now to be put on my ignore list. I hope something is done about ass-hats like that.
psycore
I bet he is one of those types who get shat on in real life constantly and his only outlet is to cause problems online where he cannot be touched.
salja Wachi
griefing is not allowed it is in the EULA we all signed 
report him to anet and action will be taken.
it is beautiful isn't it? that guy may just lose his accountn
report him to anet and action will be taken.it is beautiful isn't it? that guy may just lose his accountn
Lasareth
With enough community support against this type of play, I hope an alternative way to play in dungeons can be found--one that allows players to kick deadweights who do not intend to play as the game was meant to be played, or those who intend to do things such as this.
I'm a bit of a numbskull as to how to officially contact Anet about this, or if it's against the Terms of Service ( I tried reading it but saw nothing that I could construe as griefing). If someone could supply me with an official contact I would appreciate it very much.
I'm a bit of a numbskull as to how to officially contact Anet about this, or if it's against the Terms of Service ( I tried reading it but saw nothing that I could construe as griefing). If someone could supply me with an official contact I would appreciate it very much.
salja Wachi
go to guildwars.com they have a specific place for reporting people pick the right catagory and send away
pick the right catagory and send away
EmperorTippy
He is online ATM.
I messaged him "You shouldn't grief in ToA. Those forums are a bitch ain't they?" He responded by saying that I was the orginal posters other character. My whole guild has blacklisted him along with all 15 people on my friends list and 9 people in ToA who I refered to this thread.
This is why you need Unyielding Aura. Just leave the griefers dead. And if they try to grief like he did agree with him and then abandon him to the mobs. Once he is dead lay down the law with some Unyielding Aura.
I messaged him "You shouldn't grief in ToA. Those forums are a bitch ain't they?" He responded by saying that I was the orginal posters other character. My whole guild has blacklisted him along with all 15 people on my friends list and 9 people in ToA who I refered to this thread.
This is why you need Unyielding Aura. Just leave the griefers dead. And if they try to grief like he did agree with him and then abandon him to the mobs. Once he is dead lay down the law with some Unyielding Aura.
Mercury Angel
You're going to have to remove his name from those screenshots, most likely, if you want to keep them posted on the guru forums.
Lasareth
If it's against the rules, I would ask that the moderators only remove the picture links, and leave the rest up. I can PM the name, or send it in game if there's an issue with it being posted.
I'd like to keep the pics up, till that happens. I am not clear on the rules concerning this and if it is a problem I will take them down.
Sorry for any infringement.
(working on that email as well)
I'd like to keep the pics up, till that happens. I am not clear on the rules concerning this and if it is a problem I will take them down.
Sorry for any infringement.
(working on that email as well)
salja Wachi
yup that is true they are going to take out your screenshots but hopefully it will not matter anyway since the griefer will be banned 
salja Wachi
and by the way here is a link for you go to this page fill it out completely and send it in good luck and i hope we get rid of the rif raf
http://support.guildwars.com/cgi-bin...wmcF9wYWdlPTE*
http://support.guildwars.com/cgi-bin...wmcF9wYWdlPTE*
Trunkins
I was with somone similiar today, i was doing The Wilds mission, and he bitched at me for not being a healing monk (smite monk is my alt build) saying things like they are useless in any play of the game, then when i died, would not rez me because "you dont heal, you dont get rezed"
I hate ignorant people who act like ass clowns and think they are better then anyone else ><
I hate ignorant people who act like ass clowns and think they are better then anyone else ><
Anton H
Lol...
You ought to see that kid whine when he gets handled in Arena.
You ought to see that kid whine when he gets handled in Arena.
OneArmedScissor
How is he going to get banned?
EmperorTippy
He's griefing and it isn't allowed.
StandardAI
If I could bring my self to open guildwars I'd go grief people in underworld... But, I can't =\
Quintus
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How is he going to get banned?
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While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
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EmperorTippy
^^
He had the proper terminology.
He had the proper terminology.
generik
He is still online...
Maybe I should remind him of this incident again :P
Edit: There is no response
Maybe I should remind him of this incident again :P
Edit: There is no response
EmperorTippy
^^
Yes after 40 in less than 2 miniutes he stopped responding. My whole guild and my old guild all blacklisted him after commenting on his breach of ettiqute by saying "You shouldn't grief in ToA. Those forums are a bitch ain't they?" I think he ran out of ingore spots though so keep it up
Yes after 40 in less than 2 miniutes he stopped responding. My whole guild and my old guild all blacklisted him after commenting on his breach of ettiqute by saying "You shouldn't grief in ToA. Those forums are a bitch ain't they?" I think he ran out of ingore spots though so keep it up
GW Monkey
Ok the OP is obviously venting and that's cool, saves his dog from a slap upside the head for something trivial and all... but here's the deal - no one cares. =) Certainly not ANet. They care that you are a dissatisified customer but as for doing something about it, just because someone in-game doesn't get thier way and causes the group to wipe? I highly doubt it.
How is this any different than a "noob" who takes all the quests from the first reaper in UW and then says oops? Was he a noob? Was it intentional griefing? Who can say. Is the only heal monk in the group griefing you when he says "hey I g2g" and logs 3 minutes after entering FoW?
Look, we know you're pissed. But please, remove the links to the images or fuzz out the names. Don't become the bad guy. We've all had this and worse happen. I personally have 250+ hours of PuGs (and 500+ with friends/guildies) and you can always count on one thing:
How is this any different than a "noob" who takes all the quests from the first reaper in UW and then says oops? Was he a noob? Was it intentional griefing? Who can say. Is the only heal monk in the group griefing you when he says "hey I g2g" and logs 3 minutes after entering FoW?
Look, we know you're pissed. But please, remove the links to the images or fuzz out the names. Don't become the bad guy. We've all had this and worse happen. I personally have 250+ hours of PuGs (and 500+ with friends/guildies) and you can always count on one thing:
salja Wachi
because he freely admits it in chat that he was griefing my money says he will be banned.
salja Wachi
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If I could bring my self to open guildwars I'd go grief people in underworld... But, I can't =\
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Kashrlyyk
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Yes after 40 in less than 2 miniutes he stopped responding. My whole guild and my old guild all blacklisted him after harrasing him by saying "You shouldn't grief in ToA. Those forums are a bitch ain't they?" I think he ran out of ingore spots though so keep it up |
Wings of Illusion
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That person you mentioned is now to be put on my ignore list. I hope something is done about ass-hats like that.
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The best advice for people like him is to just simply hit "N" and scroll down to the part where it says "Ignore list" and then in the little box type their name. Ignore list is my favorite tool
only if you could put more people than what it allows on there.
generik
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Ok the OP is obviously venting and that's cool, saves his dog from a slap upside the head for something trivial and all... but here's the deal - no one cares. =) Certainly not ANet. They care that you are a dissatisified customer but as for doing something about it, just because someone in-game doesn't get thier way and causes the group to wipe? I highly doubt it.
How is this any different than a "noob" who takes all the quests from the first reaper in UW and then says oops? Was he a noob? Was it intentional griefing? Who can say. Is the only heal monk in the group griefing you when he says "hey I g2g" and logs 3 minutes after entering FoW? Look, we know you're pissed. But please, remove the links to the images or fuzz out the names. Don't become the bad guy. We've all had this and worse happen. I personally have 250+ hours of PuGs (and 500+ with friends/guildies) and you can always count on one thing: |
OTOH if they leave him in the game, and let his sins go unpunished, there will be more unhappy players, MORE POTENTIAL in losing future sales, and no, for these people things will just eventually come to a head and they just quietly ditch the game..
Now, which situation would you, from ANet's perspective, want.
Besides I'm sure they have pretty comprehensive chat logs, so they'd be able to attest that the above event does indeed occurred. I seriously doubt ANet will be so blunt as to not log all communications btw.
Let's get his arse toasted
EmperorTippy
Why? ANet doesn't ban people for their chat posts at all. I have since ANet screenies of far worse being done in local and they do nothing at all. When ANet won't do anything it falls to the community to police its own. He only got 1 post from each of us. I think that a less than fitting punishment for what he did but thats just my opinion. The harrasing part is people who constantly whisper give me gold or the like. I mean if what I did was harrasmant than I consider posting WTS or WTB or any variation there of to be harrasmant. All those people should be banned also.
BTW
I have seen people do everthing the EULA says you can't do (defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players) and still not be punished.
BTW
I have seen people do everthing the EULA says you can't do (defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players) and still not be punished.
DrSLUGFly
In real life, the guy would end up with a serious thumping... I doubt he'd get banned since (as yet) he's not a repeat offender... or at least we don't think he is. However, it would be nice if there were some kind of official policing system to keep dinks like that out of groups.
Kashrlyyk
@ EmperorTippy:
You answered:
Then Quintus posted the official rules:
While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
You answered:
So you knew at that point that harassing is not allowed!
And said:
You said he gets banned, because he did something that is not allowed! And then you did something that isn´t allowed too! And therefore if he is banned, you should be banned too!
That´s why!
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How is he going to get banned?
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He's griefing and it isn't allowed.
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While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
You answered:
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Yes after 40 in less than 2 miniutes he stopped responding. My whole guild and my old guild all blacklisted him after harrasing him by saying "You shouldn't grief in ToA. Those forums are a bitch ain't they?" I think he ran out of ingore spots though so keep it up |
That´s why!
EmperorTippy
*Realy doesn't care if he is banned or not ATM as a friend just went back to WoW and gave me his account*
If 1 message serriously coun'ts as harrasmant than the people who whisper you in tombs when they lose are also harrassing and should be banned, so should the people who keep bugging you after you reject their offer for an item and a lot of other people. The point is that 1 post from me could get me on his ingore list and I couldn't bother him again. If you notice the EULA says nothing about inciting harrasmant which it could be argued I did. One post like mine doesn't count as harrasmant. If I had spammed him with it it would have been but I didn't so it wasn't. You can not ban me for the actions of others even if I convinced them to take said action.
If 1 message serriously coun'ts as harrasmant than the people who whisper you in tombs when they lose are also harrassing and should be banned, so should the people who keep bugging you after you reject their offer for an item and a lot of other people. The point is that 1 post from me could get me on his ingore list and I couldn't bother him again. If you notice the EULA says nothing about inciting harrasmant which it could be argued I did. One post like mine doesn't count as harrasmant. If I had spammed him with it it would have been but I didn't so it wasn't. You can not ban me for the actions of others even if I convinced them to take said action.
Kashrlyyk
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*Realy doesn't care if he is banned or not ATM as a friend just went back to WoW and gave me his account*
If 1 message serriously coun'ts as harrasmant than the people who whisper you in tombs when they lose are also harrassing and should be banned, so should the people who keep bugging you after you reject their offer for an item and a lot of other people. The point is that 1 post from me could get me on his ingore list and I couldn't bother him again. If you notice the EULA says nothing about inciting harrasmant which it could be argued I did. One post like mine doesn't count as harrasmant. If I had spammed him with it it would have been but I didn't so it wasn't. You can not ban me for the actions of others even if I convinced them to take said action. |
rotor
I hate it when people do that.
Something similar happened to me in UW someone talked to the ghost and then left us. He/she whanted to leave and left us with a full room of enemies. If you didn't whant to come to UW or Fissure in the first place why join the group and screw us and leave?
Also don't you love people that go afk halfway thru the mission and end up getting a free mission?
Wish ther was a kick button based on party's vote or something sometimes ...
Something similar happened to me in UW someone talked to the ghost and then left us. He/she whanted to leave and left us with a full room of enemies. If you didn't whant to come to UW or Fissure in the first place why join the group and screw us and leave?
Also don't you love people that go afk halfway thru the mission and end up getting a free mission?
Wish ther was a kick button based on party's vote or something sometimes ...
EmperorTippy
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You yourself said, you harassed the person! I personaly don´t care what you did! I am just telling you that you admitted harrassing that person and that harassment is against the Eula! He will not be banned because he had a bad day or something like that, and still you said that he will be banned because he did something illegal! And then you yourself said, you did something illegal too! And you won´t be banned because you send him one message and he won´t be banned because he had a foolish moment!
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salja Wachi
hell i have no problem whatsoever harrassing an idiot like that.
in fact it would be a pleasure
in fact it would be a pleasure
EmperorTippy
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hell i have no problem whatsoever harrassing an idiot like that.
in fact it would be a pleasure |
This way you can't be banned.
salja Wachi
what that guy really needs is a good old fashion ass whooping.
EmperorTippy
NO you don't seem to get it. What he needs is a massage of his buttox by your hand.
Do you get the picture?
Do you get the picture?
salja Wachi
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NO you don't seem to get it. What he needs is a massage of his buttox by your hand.
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oh i get it all right. he needs his ass kicked from here to high heaven.
EmperorTippy
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oh i get it all right. he needs his ass kicked from here to high heaven.
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