Petition to quit nerfing the hell out of us.

AHEMMMM!!! I had finished the game with two different characters before I ever saw 100k. I didn't farm, I played the game.

Now, I have 3 lvl 20++++++'s and one mule... None have 15k armor, only 1 has a nice gold weapon and I have about 600 hrs in-game... How hard exactly is it that you want people to work for their money?

Guild Wars was enjoyable when I started playing... It's not now... Bottom line, but as far as your opinion goes that people who aren't happy with it should just quit, we paid our $53 just like you did and since the game is interactive, it should please the many, not the few.

This will undoubtedly be my final post in this useless thread so I can end it with a single statement: I hope there is a fix in the update because if there isn't, there will be no more purchases for me. Many in my guild feel the same way. They are good, co-operative, generous, team oriented players who help others every chance they get. The "fix" that was directed at a few who are dishonest has served to rape the honest players as well. It's so un-cool it's rediculous.

Bye Bye, cya, no one is gonna miss yah. Coming here and acting like you are the son of some god who deserves everything "HE" wants and whines and cries about it and threatens to quit the game if "HE" doesn't get it, no one cares. Anet already got your $53 dollars. And since the game is free online, you are saving them bandwidth by not playing.

No game is going to apease every Tom, Dick and Hairy Jane that plays it, the Devs expected that when they released the game. Changes will be made that benefit the "whole" and not the individual, grinding is part of an MMO/MMORPG world, if you can't take the time to grind, then take off, this is not a piece of cake or silver platter Diablo 2, Neverwinter Nights or Morrowind type game. If you want quick fix satisfaction those are the games to play. Just use the "cheat codes". lol

600 hours is nothing compared to 5 years of Everquest and I never saw 100k plat in that game (all at once), but, I'm closing in on 100k after only a couple of months play in GW's, so for me money comes very easily and very fast. IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO FARM.

There's 3 types of play in GW's basically, the PVE adventure game, the PVP competitive game and the Farming to get better things game. I've learned to accept that farming is just as much of a game as the rest and finding the good spots the challenge and even another adventure all of itself. I earn every piece of equipment I get, I don't even buy from human traders. It's too easy to come by actually, all it takes is some "time" invested to do it. And patience. I have both.

I agree that Anet will not be able to appease everyone - but you are wrong in the assumption that GW is partly about grinding. The Devs have stated from the outset that they do not want GW to be a grindfest, hence the balance of a casual player being able to compete with a hard-core gamer. Certainly, the more time you put in the game the more reward you should have with money and items, but so too should the person who plays this game as Anet intended - by completing missions and quests. No one should have to grind to get the things they need for their character - just as the devs intended.

Nor do I trade for anything with other players - I, too, prefer to wait and continue to explore the world looking for more stuff. Anet calls it "Item Hunting," everyone else calls it farming. By either name, it's a major part of any RPG and should not be nerfed.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
http://www.realmillenniumgroup.com/guild.html
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Exactly... Did all the quests, did all the missions, did all the bonuses... still don't have what I need... All of that equals dissatisfaction...

With a family to support and half a life outside of RPG's, I don't have the time to "grind" and since the average video game buyer in the US are males around the age of 37. I'ld say I'm more in the majority than out, so the opinion so rudely expressed in the post previous to yours is not only uncommon but should really be "gold" because it is so rare.

As a matter of fact Red Sonya, out of 500 and some odd posts, you are the first I've heard who actually liked the nerfing... So it seems it's you who think the world should revolve around them... You like it but 500 other posters don't and it's still ok? How selfish!

If I ever see a guild specifically for lil' spoiled brats, I'll give them your name.

Not to be a dick or anything, but this isn't just pleasing every "Tom, Dick, and Hairy Jane", this is pleasing about 15 pages of people (not including those who've posted multiple times) along with many others I know of who just don't register on forums. Besides, we all know you'd be bitching if they changed something in the game to your disliking. Also if the nobody in the community ever puts forth their opinion and requests something be changed, where will suggestions and improvements come from then? Most all major and decent updates there've been have been suggested on forums such as these, by people who play the game. We have every right to request something be changed if we think it would improve the game, otherwise this board wouldn't exist on the forums.

This game is also the sort the devs would like casual gamers to play, they stated on their web page that you wouldn't have to do hours of grinding in the game, go read their webpage and game info yourself if you don't believe me. Point is we didn't mind a little bit of grind, and we didn't mind farming, in fact we enjoyed it, but we enjoyed it when it was beneficial in some sense, not a waste of time. Hell I changed my build to something entirely different a couple weeks ago and have yet to find a decent staff for that build for less than 25k, and I shouldn't have to work up that much money for a weapon equal to the PvP only weapons PvP players get, I PvP too you know, so I feel I should have equipment to match theirs. Alas, all I've found for the past 2 weeks is shit, even with farming where I could. And you say you've gotten 100k in a few months of playing?

That's wonderful, really it is. The only problem was if I need to pay 25k for a staff to match those of PvP only characters, does that mean I should have to farm for roughly 3 weeks every day just to be able to afford that one item, and then be broke afterwords...? All just to have equal weapons to PvP only...? Doesn't sound too good to me, I wouldn't mind spending 2 or 3 days on a weapon to match PvP only's...but not multiple weeks, that's just bull****. Is it just my luck? No, I've found a couple good mods for staves that I could've maybe used to build a good one, unfortunately they all came on shitty staves that salved their crap-mod when I tried to pull it off. So uh...yeah, I should be able to make money a little easier me thinks.

And I should've have to pull out a W/Mo to do it.

Now here's a question, assuming they do go about other means of ridding us of bots, and are farming slowly comes back, is that going to piss you off? Well, if that were the case. Bye bye, cya, no one is gonna miss yah, afterall the devs are concerned about pleasing the majority, right?

On another note, you seem to enjoy farming, so do we. We have patience.

But we also have lives outside of this game, and we shouldn't have to spend our lives here farming 24/7 to be able to afford a good weapon for our build.

Question: Is it unenjoyable because of the recent fixes or is it unenjoyable because you put 600 hours into it and have 3 level 20+++++ characters?

If I had 3 level 20++++ characters it would be unenjoyable for me too.

k so you have time and patience. the majority of us have the paitence we just dont have the time. see we have things called lives that dont allow us to play the game all day. I dont want to be told to grind like everyone else. I dont want to grind for months just to get the money i need for a good weapon and FoW armor. And by the time i do save up enough money the expansion will be out. everyone says you dont need the FoW armor.....well i dont care what you say. I think the armor should be obtainable by new players and not just by players who started when the game was first released. Almost everyone i see with the armor i can gaurantee has been playing the game since its release or somewhere around there.

Stop acting like everyone complaining is an ebayer. every mmo has them and they never affect a thing. We shouldnt have to game for months on end for our "magical goal" the game is supposed to be set up so casual gamers can keep up with hardcore gamers. As far as im concerned unless you are a hardcore gamer you will never get the items that pvp players have unless you put in months of gaming time. everyone who posts against this thread has time to play the game all day. they are probably little kids who dont have to worry about jobs or kids even. grow up and you will see that months of gaming just isnt an option.

/not signed
This thread is a waste of bandwith. I always thought nerfing was annoying, but Anet needs to nerf to keep the ebayers and botting assholes from earning enough money to buy their own HOUSES! Think of it this way. If a teacher knows that 2/30 students are cheating on her tests, but she doesn't know who, what does she do? she fails them all. If you are an honest farmer, too bad, tough it up like a man and stop whining like a 14 year old girl.

/signed

I beg to differ, if a teacher (at least my college professors) suspects cheating they begin to take measures to try to catch or prevent those participating.ie. handing out different tests to everyone in the class or separating friends. I other words, I believe "mass punishment" is not the most effective way of dealing with undesirables, it only makes the perpetrators change tactics and the innocent get shafted again.

I'd say what's happened with a few swings of the nerf bat has only increased ebayers profits. Still, for those of us who don't ebay, and who don't have ridiculous time to play, running around with inferior gear is just disappointing. It'd make a great T-shirt: I saved the world and all I got was this 13-18 dmg Longsword

At this point I don't really care. I'm still /signed since page 2 or so. If this were a D&D tabletop game, it'd be like clearing out the bandit cave and then grabbing their dinnerware and curtains to sell in town to try and turn a meager profit.

EDIT: Right now, I'd even suggest to Anet that they just drastically undercut the ebayers and sell gold from their website. Use the cash to hire more programmers and make new areas more often.

I believe this game was created for casual players. No need to grind to get to the highest level, thats why the top lvl is 20. As you said "Put your time into the game and you'll get it." most players dont have the leisure time that you may have.

You also encourage the GW devs to nerf some more,

"Game on GW's DEVS you're doing a fine job, nerf some more, make em earn what they get, make em play for days, weeks, months on end to get that magic goal of an item. That's the way it should be. "

If they do that, they lied to all the gamers ABOUT THEIR GAME DEtails. As stated in the http://guildwars.com/faq/default.html (see Game Details),

"we dont need to spend hundred of hours slogging through the preparation just to get to the fun bits."

making fine armors and acquiring fine weapons is part of the fun, and with the nerfing players will have to spend hundred of hours to acquire those bits of fun such as armors and weapons.

You know what? And this keeps returning, or else I would just stop posting in this thread - I'm sick and god-d*mned tired of letting the botters and ebayers run this game. So some people do chest runs or whatever the hell and make a ton of gold to sell for real world money. SO WHAT? I don't care what they do. If that's how they want to waste their lives then more power to them. But as for me, I don't want to waste my time having to grind for hours in some stupid game just to keep some asswipe in China from making another buck. Maybe if gold and items were easier to come by, people wouldn't NEED to go to ebay to buy them. And then maybe, we wouldn't have to worry about bots.

But I don't really care if that's true or not. I'm just tired of Anet thinking of the botter's convenience first, and that of the players second. It's no way to run a game that's supposedly built for us.

/signed. I hate stupid botters that are ruining my PvE experience. PvE is the reason I bought this game, and that end of the game is steadily declining. Hear us, Area Net!

well said
/signed.

["we dont need to spend hundred of hours slogging through the preparation just to get to the fun bits." ]

Your interpretation of that statement is your own fault, it doesn't take 100 hours to get to the fun BITS, key word there is BITS not WHOLE GAME. There's plenty of fun BITS from the very beginning of the game, like being able to create a lvl 20 pvp character, that's a fun BIT of the WHOLE, but, to get to the fun of the WHOLE means putting in 100's of hours. Being able to unlock runes for your pvp character is another fun BIT, but, certainly not the WHOLE of the game.

They just aren't going to allow many players to have 100's of K within a month, sorry, not gonna happen and uber drops aren't going to happen either in like manner. It's going to take work, TIME and PATIENCE to get to those WHOLE parts of the game, but, as stated there will be fun BITS along that long path.

Yes, keep on nerfing the parts of the game that imbalance it, and nerf some of the combat cheesy tactics like 100's of spirit builds and spike teams. Go Go Go Devs, you're doing a find job keeping this game balanced and a WHOLE lot of fun along with the fun BITS along the way.

I just need to say this, the devs will decide what will and what won't happen, you can't set it in stone that what you're saying is true, it's your opinion and prediction that it won't ever change, but try not to act like your word is holy and without flaw. I'd say it's likely that we will see a few changes regarding this whole mess.

we are talking about nerfed areas for farming here, and farming happens in PvE. Is there farming in PvP???

The whole game, I think can be done within 100-200(or even less) hrs of gameplay for casual players. The bits i am talking about are the armors, weapons and runes. With the nerfing, those "Fun Bits" is getting harder to acquire. Ex. Fissure armor( not very special but costly), 100+ globs of ecto, hundreds of shards and hundreds of platinums. try to get those in 100 hours of gameplay with the current nerfing. if you can do it, hats off 2 u.

/signed

I recently started PvPing... In order to keep up with many other PvPers, I realized I needed to unlock a lot of upgrades/runes. So to have fun in the Tombs (In this case fun=winning), I have to go unlock stuff. I can't do that with money unless I buy the unid'd gold armor/runes that people sell at gouged prices, and that's way too expensive and risky. Instead, I would like to go find gold armors myself and ID them, and in the process unlock the sought-after weapon upgrades. However, with good drop rates being decreased all over hell, I can't do this in finite time. So I play PvP as best I can, hoping to kill enough people and gain the +2 faction for killing someone enough times to work my way up for a single superior rune that requires 3000 faction.... That's pretty messed up. To anyone who wants to flame me for my views, take a hike. I'm sorry you care so much about what I think that you have to try and test your ego, but I could really care less about what you have to say.

Look, Red Sonya is yet another ignorant fool. So don't bother wasting your time correcting him.

As for this thread, I'm not really sure why the debate continues. The devs realize that they have nerfed the fun out of the game and are going to fix this. For those farmers who were not very patient to begin with...well, I'm sure the mass-nerfing has increased said patience

Ahh but there is one point that seems to be repeated that I really cannot stand. That is the comments about "Anet already has your money...tough." Now, I understand that there are many in this world who are not as lucky as I am, and, thus, could not enroll in higher learning. You probably were never given the chance at an education. I feel very sorry for you. Please, allow me to do what I can to help out the misfortunate. Allow me to educate you.

It is true, Anet has our money. However, GWs runs on severs similar to other monthly subscription games. We pay a one-time fee. In order to continue updating/maintaining said servers, there are many costs involved. Their solution? Expansion packages. They rely on revenues from the projected 1-2 packs per year (or was it one every nine months?...a little baby ;p ). These are purchased by, you guessed it, CURRENT PLAYERS. Because you see, GW will not sell an infinite number of copies. At some point in the future GW sales will have reached its maturation point. That is to say, there will be fewer sales of GW in the RPG market as it reaches its saturation point. At this point, GW would fail to generate enough revenue to cover its costs and would be forced to close shop. To counter this, they rely on expansion pack sales purchased by current players. In order to do so, they must ensure that the players find the game enjoyable enough to consider it a worthy investment (instead of switching to one of the many other RPGs). The expansion packs are designed for those who have finished the current storyline. The majority of farmers are contained in this single demographic. If these players do not feel that it is worth playing GW any longer, they will not purchase the expansion and GW will not generate enough sales revenue.

Another point.
Word of mouth (Buzz) is an extremely powerful marketing tool...and one that cannot be directly controlled by advertising agencies. High ratings and plenty of positive feedback on forums, chat rooms, real world conversations etc. can boost or destroy any project. Think of what you do when you see a movie. Take Wedding Crashers for example. After I saw this movie, I told every friend of mine that it is a must-see (which is really is!!!!). I also saw House of 1000 Corpses and promptly told every friend of mine to kill oneself before viewing this movie, as they would find more entertainment in doing so. We've all done it. It is important to GW.

Lastly.
The number of gamers online per day is an important statistic. If only 1000 people are online at a given time, it is likely that the game isn't that great. However, if 10,000 people are online, it is a whole different story. When you kill the fun for a significant portion of the community and they leave, you seriously decrease the appeal to potential buyers.

Just because we've paid for the game does not mean we can now be ignored. To do so would be very arrogant and very, very stupid. I believe those who bought us GW are neither. Consider yourself schooled.

to tell you the truth i think the system works quite well. first you need to understand how they track you.

missions are a dead give away. you go in kill the large group at the beginning (as most mission have) then zone. rinse and repeat. i got caught at my fav spot cuz i farmed it for an hour straight and a message appeared telling me if i keep entering mission then zoning to town then the monsters will run out of loot and will drop less items. thought to myself ok that's new and haven't herd it discussed anywhere. so i did the run again 4 items dropped out of 20 monsters while i was solo. i started cursing and got kind of pissed off so i started looking for other spots. the next day i decided to give my fav place a try again. low and behold all 20 dropped an item. the nerf for drops is only temp. i've found if i do about 5-6 runs then go to another town or area for a little while and come back the drops "reset."

this works very well because it negates the bots that are grinding the same place for hours at a time. while a real player knows that if i stay here too long i will be nerfed.

easy solution. do a few runs then go do something else for about 5-10 minutes. usually i go check the merchant's prices and pawn off the common and rare material i've salvaged.

since the nerf message came up i've found 3 spots i farm. i simply alternate spots out every 10 minutes. so far i've made 60k in the past 2 days playing for about 3-4 hours a day. money can still be made. as said before you just need to know the farming spots and learn to switch it up.

i do agree that gold drops are down somewhat but you know what it really doesn't matter. all the weapons i see for 200k+ i can get a weapon 1-2 dmg lower (overall) and might cost me 10-15k. if you want the "perfect" stats then ya it will cost you but the game is about your skills not gear.

I would assume it is about slowing down the game as it seems there are a lot of who are fineshed the game.If they you know who did this from day one everyone would still be playing it even the early beta testers.I am a beta tester as well but a little slower than some in PVE not PVP.It is just luck of the draw in PVP.

Ummm if you haven't noticed within this past month they've LOWERED the drop rate of items and changed the amount of income flowing through the economy to be even LESS than it was before. Yep, you're right the DEVS will decide and they have decided and I'm all for it. I just hope they continue with the nerf bat until everything is nice and balanced and is "worth" playing because things will need to be "earned" and not just handed to on a silver platter.

[Look, Red Sonya is yet another ignorant fool. So don't bother wasting your time correcting him.]

Yes, your socalled higher education really shines through with your very first statement in your post, thus nullifying anything else you had to say and discrediting any other responses in the future. Nice try at attempting to show your higher intelligence, but, you merely showed your lack of it.

Back to main goal of this thread:

/signed

/signed

reading back through only a haandful of people wanted all of their Uber Lewt gold items handed to them on a silver platter. almost every farmer on here is all for farming because they enjoy doing it, not becuase they want to make 100k an hour instead of 20k an hour. an if we happen to make money becuase we do it then hey more power to us, but the pricks like you complaining that all farmers do is ruin the economy need to stfu, and go make your own petition to keep nerfing. good luck getting about 300-400 signatures...and thats only for this site!

oh and how long should someone have to work to earn a max damage fiery dragon sword 8 req? 1 month? 2 months? maybe even 5 months? that is excessive.. maybe not to someone who played EQ for 5 years and never gt 100k gold, but to those of us who dont spend all of our lives playing a single game, "earning" an item shouldnt take more than a week or 2 max of working for it!

/signed

/signed

I bought this game because of the promises that the grind would be minimalized.

I also bought it because of the promises that solo'ers could be indeed that - solo players.

I work. I cannot play this game every day, heck I can't promise myself I'll play it every week. I find it offensive to come back after a three week hiatus and find the game fundamentally changed - against my interests and in favor of a type/group of player I will probably never join - PvP'ers.

You know, devs who play the game with non-devs should institute a policy of "deaf-ear" while in-game. This smacks of favoritism for a certain type/group of players and the Hades with the rest of us.

Too bad PvE'ers can't get 50% or more of our game purchase money back for being given a PvE experience that's 50%, or more, less than what was promised, what was experienced during beta, and what our expectations were when we handed over the credit card at the store counter.

Ciarre
P.S. I'm sick to death of people telling me how I should be playing the game with my time and my money. You have your "religion" and I have mine. Respect it.

P.S.S. I'll believe Gaille is in earnest when I see PvE'ers being rewarded for supporting this game.

ok well i just felt the need to add my own 2 bits, a first the game started out kool, then as updates occured it seemed to get worse, and a lot of it pissed me off. Yet I still played, I am in noway a pvp player my builds just arn't ready neither is the core of my guild. Either way the game IS fun, or else i would be playing something else.

I have knoticed in the last 2 weeks a major differance in a lot of things, for weeks i didn't get jack for drops, then i decided to use my second char just for the hell of it, low and behold we find an area that must have dropped at least 2 dozen gold items within 3-5 days. This was while with 2 other human players, and sometimes 1 healer henchie.

I was amazed cause the items wern't to bad. A day or so later things changed, drops wern't as good, we have yet to see this message about the monsters losing loot or what have you, But there was a def differance, so we changed characters, changed areas, and wam more gold, on top of a few reallly goood items. Some of our members made out like bandits. A day or 2 later we see a drop in items and go back to our usual spot and wam more and more again.

If this is just luck i cannot say, but it seems there's many varaibles that go into getting good items and finding the right spots. For every action their is an equal and opposite reaction, this seems to hold quite true in my experiences with this game.

I have 4 lvl 20's, 2 of which have finished the game, farming is fun esp with friends. The best places seem to appear starting at the desert and areas that appear after that.

My biggest hate of the game is the fact that what gold items( or items in general ) i do pick up do not seem to coinside with the actual characters i have in use, how many dam gold weapons do i need that have (VS Hexed) on them when i do not have any mesmers or that i do not use a lot of hexes, 6 or 7 of the gold items i picked up on our good runs yielded vs hexed or while hexed dmg mods or etc. Now that just erks me.

Gimme something i can use gdammit, at least that, cause these weapons don't sell for jack, or even i have seen items that have 3 PROFESSIONS REQ MODS ON THEM we are only given 2 to use at a time, so why is there an item with mods for 3 different professions?

The nerfing seems to come and go, depending on time and area, there's other things i have wondered, like does it make a differance in drops if america has the favor of the gods? does the weapon your using with that fire dmg matter? would a cold dmg weapon make a differance and so on and so forth, i agree nerfing sucks, for eveyone, but the game is still new and i believe it just needs some more time.

:::End Transmission:::

i will sign this too

however 30 enemies killed and you only get 4 drops?
try doing missions now and then, did thirsty river with some friends and we got 3 gold drops, each.

/signed

I don't farm a lot, but drops are getting pretty rare. I havn't found anything good in a while. If Anets goal is to make it so a casual player can have fun then they are failing, because even casual players like rares.

Also it would be good if everyone submitted a link to this petition to Anet. I did, the more people speak up the more likely this is to happen.

here's a good way to stop the nerfing. take away the unlock ability in pve for pvp. we have faction now and works way faster, unlock is now obsolite. and players can only have customized weapons in tombs and HoH. then you can have you pvp and not affect the pve community.

players would stop grinding for weapons and runes. i really hate how the pvp community affects the pve when we have no interaction at all. that's just rediculous.

/signed

Yikes, You must be one of those crappy professors at my college sounds like something a few of them have done to me. Although they always get shafted in the end.

I don't know if I can truely sign this petition, but I can say this, that the economy is designed to work dynamically as are the drops. Most often farming is the cause in the lack of drops. I don't know that I consider that a nerf.

Its my belief however at this time that the second largest problem are in game human traders. There is really no item in this game that is worth 60k by it self. People who horde items and sell them to players at extremely high prices are probably the largest problem the effects the in game economy as a whole. Don't get me wrong I have been known to price a few things up when I needed money but I have sold absolutely nothing for more then about 1.5k.

I don't know a solution to these problem but indeed nerfing drops and lowering trader buy back value hurts us all becuase of the above reasons.

weapons and runes are not the problem its the fissure armor. materials go up like crazy because people abuse the merchants. how often do you see ecto at a merchant and if you do it won't be long. w/o ecto at the merchants you can't really gauge its value. people are capping it at 10K but what if a few decide its worth 15k standard. other people will see hey i can sell mine for 15k and start to follow the trend. at that point the prices are just going to get worse. even if the material or rune is sold out at merchants i think it should still display the prices so it will stay within a certian range. if its sold out ya you could sell for a little more than merchant because of demand but it would limit the prices some what instead of people just making it up.

the monk runes are a good example of this. i do think anet is doing a good job of controlling their prices w/o interfering too much. last night at 3 am ET smite and pro sups were at 22k. i woke up this morning and saw them back at 14k. players are not the ones dropping the prices. no one is going to sell the runes to merchants when they can charge 2-3 less than merchant and make a killing. anet has a hand in there some where controlling prices as much as possible.

Here is the response I got from Anet about this issue:

Hello Michael,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support about this.

We didn't change any items or item collection methods without putting significant thought into the changes beforehand. Although they may have been "nerfed" according to your playstyle, the changes I believe you are talking about were done to help maintain game balance and to thwart players who were gaining inappropriate amounts of those items. There are sometimes occassions during the lifetime of a live game where changes are looked at unfavorably by some players but are nevertheless necessary, and this may be one such case. However, we still encourage players to give us their feedback--describing what you would like to see in future changes is often more helpful for our developers than simply stating disatisfaction with a recent change. Posting suggestions on Guild Wars fansite message boards helps our team understand what players would like to see in future revisions and updates (a compiled list can be found on the official Guild Wars website at http://guildwars.com/community/default.html). By continuing to post on message boards and making your view points known, our Development Team members are able to catch up on what the community wants to see in Guild Wars (and fansite forums make it easy and efficient for us to learn from those playing the game).

Thank you for your efforts in assisting us to create the best gaming experience possible.

Regards,

The Guild Wars Support Team

if the merchant has ecto to sell, its price is like 11-15k, but if you will sell your ecto to them it's only 100gold. very big difference. the solution in that is merchants should pay you a fair price for the item you are selling to them and they should also give you fair price for the item they sell.

/signed

if people who have already finished the game, then they should have some of the best items. That's the way it works in non-online RPGs! If people don't expect a sizeable reward for playing the game to the end, then they'll lose interest, as many people here are.

Yeah but what happens when everyone has that item? Does that special item become worthless?