Petition to quit nerfing the hell out of us.

Im not into farming. I work for most of the day and play for an hour or 2 daily. So Im not really affect by all these nerfs. The previous online game Im in encourage endless hours of gameplay/botting to get enough money to get uber-elite armors, weapons and etc. THAT is the reason I move to GW, which promotes skill based gameplay over time spent. So farming nerfs doesnt bother me at all.

However, for those of you who have more time to spend, I understand the need to work for a goal :P So Im thinking maybe Anet can introduce more quests or missions that gives out gold and items as rewards. Im not sure how the botting works but perhaps Anet can introduce mission or quests that you have to complete beforehand each time that allows access to good farming spots.

notice how the game was cool in PvE when it started, but now it sucks cuz of the nerfing. Just goes to show, they havent nerfed PvP :P

good point. i think that's what happened to chaos axes, but i'm not sure.

/signed

I've been playing since the release and did some falrming but not to much. I realize what kind of effect they're trying to have on the economy. Yet still some people need the gold in order to get the armor or weapons we want.

/signed

I have 2 ascended characters and I'm still bloody poor.

_____*SIGNED*_____

I Really do agree with this. Hell, the econemy for this game is a big OUTRAGE! It's more like selling a max dmg Fiery Dragon sword for 5k. Or even a crappy shield for 10k.

But the side effect in the bringing back the normal farming would be that everyone would have everything. From this to that, to that to this. It would still be just as hard to make money that way as well... Then again, we want that good o' farming route back =D SO WE DONT HAVE TO SPEND 13,405,871,0345K ON A GOLD BOW!!!

/signed

i also have my 2 cents to put into the penny jar

aesthetics may be cool but funtion is cooler, im a ranger, when i get home from work for lunch, it will be lvl 20, im 95% there

i see people selling eternal bows/storm bows that are normal, not even mod'ed for 10k-up

when i see this i just laugh at them and say why should i buy your crappy bow if mine is so much better?

all they can say is, "um.." "ah...." "because it looks cooler..."
when i read this i fall out of my seat laughing, but what is funnier is if they leave

people, you don't need a storm/eternal to be godly, find a good collector bow, which run about 1k or if you actually trade in the items for the bow

after you have your kickass bow
15-28
15%>50%

now you have got a bow that is better than a storm/eternal and you saved 9k+ doing so

if that alone isn't good enough, do what i do, get a really crappy bow, with nice mods, then get the mod and put it on your good bow

my bow went from
15-28
15%>50%

to

15-28
15%>50%
+1 energy on hit
-1 energy regeneration
+1 Marksmanship (15%)

now when i show my bow to sum guy selling storm/eternals all they can say is again... you just need to buy it cause it's cooler


people people buy your cool items if you want, but they won't be cool for long, then you will wish you hadn't spent all that money on a useless item

anyway my 2 cents

Heh yeah I remember Swords of Yakesha in Everquest used to be like the god sword of the origional game. 10k for 1 of them was the going price when "new", then "EXPANSIONS" started coming out and newer and better stat drops started to appear and the poor SOY ended up selling for 50plat lol 50 plat. So, being a smart mmorpg player, I'm going to wait on the new expansion and get me an even BETTER weapon than what is in the game now (I just know they will make new and better and "kewler looking" weapons for the expansion).

I too don't go for looks, I'll never buy 15k armor until it has "better stats" than the 1500gp armor. I'll never pay 10k for a silly looking item just because "it looks kewler". I do not live in a world of "vanity", but, a world of competition, therefore, as long as all that I have is competitive with anyone else, I don't care what it looks like.

Many people are whinning for "easier loot system or go back to old system" cause they want this "vanity look" of the game, it's something that is NOT necessary and therefore the set looting system is just fine to be "competitive" within the game. You want to "look kewl" pay the price, which is "time and patience" and a lot of farming.

This is one of the very reasons for "Star Wars Galaxies" failure, they gave into the "whinners and complainers" who wanted an "easier" route to JEDI status, well they gave it too them, then nearly anyone and everyone was a JEDI and it no longer had any "uniqueness" to the game, and hordes just quit playing. When you destroy the challenge and make things too easy, then your destroying the game. Let the "few" who want easy loot and more rare drops to be less rare quit, you'll keep the majority of your "hardcore" fanbase and for the most part the majority enjoy "challenge" and being "unique". As soon as you take that away from them, you'll lose them instead and have only the crybabies and whinners left.

Sonya you've ignored most every decent post in this thread, yeah you're happy with the game fine, we know. We know you're happy with it. Great, I'm happy for you. But obviously, a good amount of people got pissed off.

I'd also like to remind you that whiners got you people faction points, whiners got loads of bugs fixed, whiners are the reason you still get XP for PvP battles.

Whiners have helped make this perfect game you enjoy so much, Sonya, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not people have to let people know what they think, so problems can be fixed and better solutions can be found.

I would respond to the rest of your post, but it's obvious you'll remain close minded to any other opinion than your own.

Just know that whiners are the reason the game is the way it is, if you enjoy the game you've got some whiners to thank for it, because it's when the people complained that things got changed to the way they are now. So I suggest you quit whining about whiners, and go enjoy GuildWars 'eh?

Showing all of the item's last sale price seems reasonable. Could be misleading (if it hasn't sold in three weeks), but probably a good idea.

There is definitely some limit there. If nothing else, prices can't rise above 100,000. =)

You never have to spend that on a gold bow. The most expensive item that actually makes a large difference in gameplay is the Droknar Armor. Other than that, everything can either be gotten off a collector (weapons, shields, focus items, wands, staffs) or you can buy the upgrade components off a player for a generally small sum (barring perfect mods) or get it off a scrub item. Runes can be a bear, but you can almost always get major runes on the cheap, and the difference between a major and superior is generally small.

Untrue, they said from the near beginning that they would make a fair way to allow PvPers to unlock things by playing PvP. Whine Whine Whine Whine Whine, who the hell cares!? Who cares about Whining/Whiners? I hope to GOD Anet doesnt care, because indeed SWG was awesome but then they made it easier and people left. If they made GW too easy, people would unlock everything in the game and then get bored. Once people get bored they get something new.

Honestly if you look at it, Nerfing the game to close "Exploits" has not made anyone leave. While back in the day, farmers selling things for crazy prices made me quit for a while. I couldnt farm, so i quit because it was near impossible to get anything. I then found out Farming was nerfed. I then came back to play and i enjoyed the game much more because? Because people werent selling things for 100k anymore..(and i had a good 60k saved up in my vault ehhehe)

A sword with perfect mods will not save you....armour will not save you...your skills will. I told a guy last night from my experience last night when he asked about what to mod his axe with (very new to the game) what was the best. There is no best some are better than others for different things. the best weapons in the game wont compensate for a crappy build. The weapons accentuate a good build...they make it better, but if the build is not good then the weapon won't help period! If you want proof go to the damage calculators and play with weapon damages....that one more damage (if that) wont change the fact that the creature has 600 health that much....

The game is not about items it is about skill... I agree...people who complain about droknars armour early on, or that there are not enough gold drops. I like normal items....my biggest complaint with diablo II was that your items made you, not your attributes, and not your skill set. The nerfing as everyone is so want to put it, is not a bad thing...i have never had a hard tiem making gold from selling quest rewards...in fact i got my droknars armour with out having to repeat any quest more than twice (a few times my group was killed) Through doing quests and taking time, I made all the money i need. I finished the game with knights armour, a crappy shield and a collectors sword...and just so you don't come back and say that this was before the nerfing i have done it twice afterward.
so what happens if we do up the drop rates....everyone has money and then complains that there are no sinks. It shouldn't be easy, but it also shouldn't be important....i can still pull down a kilogold or two an hour if i just walked around...come on....is this really that important ask yourself that or maybe it is just that fact that there was something that for a while created an over zealous expectation of what was due...also if there was less gold then maybe its value ass associated to items will change too....aka people wouldnt sell something for 10k if they did not think there was a buyer for it.

/signed + 1

I'm just now getting to parts where the good drops would be. (I know I'm slow). And I'm hearing of weapons going for over 100 k. The nerfing has separated people quite well. The rich and the poor. The rich have the money and good items and can keep them amoungst themselves. While here I am, and the rest of the poor, wondering how the hell that 200 K whatever it is could ever be bought. I mean I'm all for working hard to get the money. But not really this hard. I'd just like to make some money to get that 1.5 k armor, which I'm close to having, and maybe getting a guild hall, cause there's no way I'm winning HoH.

The other thing that I Dont understand is the concept of poverty in this game. If people are so poor, then why are items selling for stupidly high amounts of money. Move out of the cities go to the rural areas for a while things are alot cheaper when people aren't making as much money (there is this nice place in upstate new york i can direct you to). People also seem to argue about haves and have nots as if this were a discourse about the diacotomy between egaliterianism/ socialism and lassie faire (cant spell it sorry) capitolism. I feel almost compelled to ask "Who is John Galt". Maybe we should unlock the game into dev mode like baulders gate and give ourselves any weapon we want....that would fix it wouldnt it....everyone will have anything they want, and all the gold they nees. then people will complain they want better. Or that they want different. The game would become ever more boring as now there is even less of a challenge, there would be no need to work for the armour. HELL it would even fix the WTB WTS spamming....there would be no point. SEE TWO BIRD WITH ONE STONE. Two chipmunks with one woodchipper. Why should anyone care how much gold the 'other' rich people have....if they didn't buy it off ebay or get it through botting....they sat at the keys and did it by hand. Hell if this nerfing thing is half as bad as you say....you should admire them for their effort. Everyone would be so boringly equal. think of all the time it would save to. then people would complain that there is nothing to do and go play world of warcraft...right now i am doing FoW groups to get shards for the Fissure armour....that is the literally only thing i have not gotten...i like the challenge....i love being in groups with an ever changing array of people....yes some deserve castration with a dull blade for pulling all the patrols on us....but it is a challenge. I mix it up i try different things because my skill points aren't set in stone. Do I really care if someone is wielding a barbed Longsword of Fortitude +15% dmg h/50%, NO i care that they dont seem to have the right skills to use it...is it gold or purple or any other pretty colour....HOW SHOULD THAT MATTER...I think we should make all drops gold....every single one...aww hell i have gotten some blue drops that were better than gold....when you look at it...a collectors sword with 2 mods could make the same weapon.

Whats the point of playing if you can't farm to get the best weapon. They nerf everythin cuz maybe they don't wanna upset the PVP players. Anyway, this game is gear toward pvp and rpg is sorta like a small side quest. Seriously, if you can go from level 1 to 20 is one day, then I can't consider this a real rpg game.

TY SOMEONE AGREES THAT THE GAME IS MENT FOR PVP!! IN YOUR FACE PIE BOY!!!

/signed
/signed

once for each account

AMEN I'll sign that one. In your face Pie Boy!

i havent read every single post, but i doubt pie xags ever stated GW wasnt made with emphasis on PVp, and i dont know about chrisby, but sonya has a tendancy to only read what she wants in a post even if it isnt whats written . i may be wrong, but show me the post if i am. and just because the game was built with an emphasis on pvp doesnt mean pvp is/should be the only part of the game to get upgrades/better play/better methods of play. both parts should get equal attention...and so far that just hasnt happened. ive already stated this on another thread on another forum, i dredged through past updates, not a single one IMPROVED PVE LOOT/GAMEPLAY. and when i say that dont get on here thinking your all smart posting up yeah they fixed exp glitches and blah blah, that is not improving loot or gameplay. im talking improveloot/gameplay like faction to PVP or getting experience for doing the same thing over and over and over... technically if you think about it, pvp characers are just EXP/faction farming. all PVP chars do is go into a battle get xp and faction for whatever you get it for and then repeat. and i believe the term farming means something along the lines of "...doing the same thing repetitiously to get ahead in the game or to gain an unfair advantage over other players". well, hate to break it to ya, but thats all pvpers do. so i think i just shut down every pvpers argument, now to deal with the pesky "farmers ruin the ozone and everything under it people"

Red Sonya, Chrisby, this is not a PvP focused game with PvE tacked onto the side. If it was, they'd release 2 new arenas instead of 2 new PvE zones for the biggest free update we'll have. If it was, half the threads on these forums wouldn't be PvE oriented. If it was, the devs wouldn't have said otherwise, and that they pay attention to both PvE and PvP aspects equally. And honestly, if it's between the dev's word and the opinion you two have, I'll listen to the devs.

Also, neither of you, Sonya, or Chrisby, have provided any valid reason as to why farming is "bad" other than "be patient" from Sonya, and that statement's had countless counter-points posted already.

In my face?

I've got 20 pages of support. I can either listen to the 20 pages in favor of this thread, or I can listen to the two of you, who've given no reason or purpose behind your posts. To be entirely honest with you, I think I'll side with the 20 pages of supporters. In your face me thinks, 'eh?

Gaile's told us many times that they pay strong attention to both halves of the game, on the GW box there's 1 shot of the HoH and everything else is shots of PvE, they're adding new PvE updates to the game, and well...I know many more people who play PvE over PvP, and I came from FPS games. I'd have to say this game is meant for PvE and PvP to be intertwined, with no half greater than the other. And your opinions, to which you've given no...backing at all, won't change my mind otherwise. I mean hell, Gaile's posted in this thread herself with a response that Anet has nothing against honest farmers, and that we should watch for further updates to see if the situation is improved. I've gotten what I wanted, all I have to do now is wait. So I can either listen to Gaile, or listen to Sonya and Chrisby...hmm...tough decision.

Really.

OWNED

the game is about skill not hours played and as far as im concerned farming takes some skill. I would like to see where Anet stated the game was geared towards PVP

To quote the Human Torch ala Marvel Fame:


"FLAME ON!"


...and on and on and on...

Someone dump this POS.

I'd actually agree with SOT now. This thread has served it's purpose, obviously the devs are aware of it by now so I don't see any further purpose for it to be here. I've done what I wanted to, this thread is only a not-nice-things-to-say thread now me thinks.

But I'm still cool, right?

All of you are good people, I simply think we lost sight of the point somewhere.

I also would like to know where all the mods and admins are, hell's precipice? I have hardly seen them posting lately. Might just be me. But this thread should have been shot to death a day ago...

/signed

I first believed that certain things in game would be easily procured.. then after all the farming nerfs I noticed a pretty big increase in cost for rare items. Not because they are good, but because the nerf made them very hard to acquire. Now I'd like to quote something that has been making me rant for probably 2-3 weeks out of fustration mostly...

To date.. I have through normal gameplay recieved practically every single minor rune in the game.. probably 2-3 times. Now.. for majors? probably about half of them. And superior runes? I've seen about.. 3 of them.. it's sorta pathetic honestly.. why do I only get the minor runes it seems? I think drops should be increased.. the idea of getting one superior rune of vigor after about 630 hours of game play over 4 characters sickens me.. what do I need now? 2,400 hours to get to 4 runes to stock up my characters? What is there left honestly.. when I've explored the map, done all quests, done all missions, have the best armor.. pvp every day? pvp all my time? I'm sorry.. but the game mechanic doesn't work. Farming does.. there is something euphoric about soloing 5-6 griffons.. something just as adrenaline rushing as dealing with unknown foes in pvp. I feel sorta cheated to imagine this is a "exploit" of the game.

The game is fun already.. and farming can be fun as well.. can't I be happy with alot of drops from monsters? That I can then contribute back into the market? Is there something wrong with me wanting to give nice items to friends? (I haven't really noticed anything other than npc buy prices are now very pathetic.)

I think that above all else Guild Wars is a fantastic game that has done better than most of my expectations, there is abosolutely no reason for them to nerf farming. It damages the market, detracts on rewarding experienced players, and undermines us with these foriegners that try to sell us gold for cash on places like ebay. None of this would have happened if the game had more accessible items, and drops in-game.

Here's an idea how about being able to trade your FACTION points in for GOLD?? Now that should satisfy a lot of PVP players. And bring more into the PVP world instead of farming in the PVE game which is boring right?

Holy shit, now THAT's an idea I can support. I've got a few thousand faction just sitting there because I've already unlocked everything I want for PvP, it'd be awesome to say get 5 gold for every faction point or something like that. Then instead of a skill you can get 5k to use on a set of armor or something, or even if it were like 3 gold per faction point I'd be up for it. Hell I never use faction in itself, I'd love to be able to trade it for gold. That way it'd be like getting cash for winning a tournament. You should start another thread about that.

zealots fire
balthazar's aura
symbol of wrath
balanced stance
healing hands
healing touch
reversal of fortune
sprint

this is what i used to use in riverside.


oh, wait, can't do that anymore, and it looks like i haven't been able to for months. why? because a.net feels compelled to screw up any of my attempts to make even the most miniscule amount of money and maybe even unlock some stuff. that is total and complete bullshit.

/signed

Farming is an "Exploit", get over it.

i hope that was sarcasm.

Yes Pie, you're still cool

We got the attention we wanted. We had our fun laughing at and flaming all the ignorant people. We even had the opportunity to have an intelligent debate with Thanas (who presented the only logical points for the pro-nerfing side...I believe...tho could have missed a few others).

With Anet set against over-generous drops, I think it's safe to say a fix will still keep the challenges (FoW armor) challenging.

Yeah, that has to be sarcasm, otherwise it wins the award for most ignorant post in this entire thread. And he's among some real shiners too

Didn't read everything, but I do think that it would help alot if they did stop focusing on destroying what they made and start adding...

...And yes anet, that means im still gonna search for you til I get my 15k tormentors...

/signed

/signed

I thought farming was "evil" and people that make 10K an hour meant they made like millions a week, so to me it sounded wrong ... thing is, thats dedicated farming.

A casual player will only see a 10th of that, you nerf that to one tenth ... 100G an hour ??? wtf will I buy with that ???

I discovered myself "farming" when I decided to use my best char to get collector bits for my other chars. Five stinking frigid hearts dropped in like, my god, about 9-10 clean wipes of all Imps off that zone.

Hard yes, but its becoming impossible to find *anything*. One Silver drop in 380 hours? Its *dye* for god sake, why is more rare then Ecto? I got one of them, and not Black Dye ??? Something is screwy

PS: My only run in UW got an ecto, and I was the only one that run.

Heh don't feel bad, I deleted one of my characters and forgot I had a black dye still on her. lol But, I didn't whine or cry, I guess I'm just one who doesn't get excited about loot or gold or an immediate need for everything in the game to come easily. I prefer a challenge, but, I don't like paying for it like I did in Everquest. I don't know how many of you played Everquest or other mmorpgs, but, to me this game is just totally easy in all respects to gaining anything and everything in a LOT less time than any of those other mmorpgs ever took or would have taken.

Then again I guess if you came from games like Diablo 2 or Neverwinter Nights or Morrowind where everything came pretty fast and quickly, you would see this as a grind and slow. I've played them also, still play Diablo 2 and Neverwinter Nights (never really enjoyed Morrowind, it was like a mmorpg without any other players in it). I just accept what I get on a daily basis, which lately isn't much since I've unlocked quite a few great skills to created a PVP character than I've made well over 30k in faction and spent 3/4ths of it making my character better. I love the PVP part of the game and I always hated any form of PVP before.

But, that's why I suggested allowing faction points to be traded in for gold, eventually we are going to run out of things to unlock and then start piling up an abundance of faction points that will be worthless, so make them have a double value and really a double value to the game, money or upgrades. I think it would bring more casual players into the PVP world and it's fun just playing the random pickup groups, each day I always get in at least one group that ends up in the team arenas and I feel I win my fair share of the combats. But, I'm pretty good at any character I play so that helps too if you really understand your role and combinations of skills that can make you powerful even if you don't have the very best skills.

I guess for each it boils down to what each individual wants out of the game and that's where all the flux is right now. Some want it easier, some want it harder, who's right, who's wrong? Neither, but, the DEVs have to decide what is best for the whole and I'm sure they will, but, it will take time, it's certainly not going to happen overnight.

As for me, if everything becomes easier, this game will become boring much quicker, once I've conquered the PVE and played PVP till I'm blue in the face, there's nothing left to challenge me. The strategy and tactics are getting so samey already in PVP it's already starting to be boring and repetitive. And we all know "variety" is the spice of life and for this game it's longevity.

/signed

Need a motivation for replayability, and that is to increase wealth, fissure armor so expensive. But wait... it's still the same as Forge armor except it looks different, and it will take me endless time of exessive farming to get one piece of armor. FORGET ABOUT IT !!!!!

/signed

I've been playing for two months now, nearly, and I have a grand total of 35k. I don't have the time to spend dozens upon dozens of hours mindlessly killing hordes of creatures to earn enough money to buy some armour. Yet, that is what I would have to do. As it stands, I have no chance whatsoever of ever getting that super-uber armour. I can actually get to the armour fine, there's no problem with skill, I just can't afford it. Sounds like the opposite of what GW is all about to me. And I'm usually the one defending the game from the whiners on these forums.

/signed

Right.... so this is the reason when I go through the missions normally and most all I get are quest items? I do ZERO farming, and I watch as the other people in my group during regular missions get purple /gold items while I get CRAP most times. Badges... I DON'T NEED NO STINKING BADGES.

You can't honestly say that I'm being tracked for playing the game normally... I don't care what the gold drop rates are... I'd like to see some decent items for once. I don't want to run Thirsty River or Thunderhead 100 times just to get 1 or 2 decent items.

After all my hours of play since launch I've looted 1 black dye, and seen ZERO superior vigor runes. They added those new scrolls, and I've only even seen ANYONE in my group loot them twice (one of the lucky people was a guildmate).

So to anyone who says "suck it up", bite me. Nerf the Ebayer jerks, not me. I'm tired of getting the VERY RARE gold item that has ONE MOD... and having that ONE MOD SUCK.

I haven't even seen a frickin' gold item in weeks anyway...