I've recently finish with a monk, and one of my guild mates told me he did a few of the missions charging for his services.
So just wondering, how much do you usually charge for your services? And which are the best missions to do this for?
Monk Charging Service - How much? (If your against charging - Dont come here)
Darksci
Aniewiel
I suppose that if you -must- do this, you charge what the market will bear. If you get a blind invite into someone's party, tell them that you will take a donation or ask what they'd be willing to pay for your *cough* services. Then, either accept what the group offers, leave if you think it's not enough or leave if they decide not to pay you.
Throwing out an up front fee when you're looking for a party will probably get you ignored.
Throwing out an up front fee when you're looking for a party will probably get you ignored.
Darksci
Yes but i'm just wondering how much it usually is and what is the payment method?
In forge runs i only accept 3K runs - if they charge upfront, max i'll give is 500gp (thats nothing anyway). Then its 1.5K at rankor and 500gp at forge, usually.
In forge runs i only accept 3K runs - if they charge upfront, max i'll give is 500gp (thats nothing anyway). Then its 1.5K at rankor and 500gp at forge, usually.
Aniewiel
Depending on the mission...and I would say your best bet to be "hired" would be in the Emberlight Camp and on missions...I can't imagine that you'd get more than 1k -total- from anyone. Monks are hard to find in those missions but not impossible.
That said, you might also turn a tidy profit in some of the more difficult jungle missions before reaching the desert. Some of those are quite hard and a level 20 healer would probably be appreciated.
You know, people might be more inclined to give you some gold if you told them you would accept donations rather than giving an up front price. People tend to be more amenable to the 'humility' of asking for donations rather than 'demanding' payment for service.
Just a thought.
That said, you might also turn a tidy profit in some of the more difficult jungle missions before reaching the desert. Some of those are quite hard and a level 20 healer would probably be appreciated.
You know, people might be more inclined to give you some gold if you told them you would accept donations rather than giving an up front price. People tend to be more amenable to the 'humility' of asking for donations rather than 'demanding' payment for service.
Just a thought.
Mithie
Why would I pay you for such services when Alesia and Lina are perfectly willing to satisfy my desires for free?
Drausius
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Depending on the mission...and I would say your best bet to be "hired" would be in the Emberlight Camp and on missions...I can't imagine that you'd get more than 1k -total- from anyone. Monks are hard to find in those missions but not impossible.
That said, you might also turn a tidy profit in some of the more difficult jungle missions before reaching the desert. Some of those are quite hard and a level 20 healer would probably be appreciated. You know, people might be more inclined to give you some gold if you told them you would accept donations rather than giving an up front price. People tend to be more amenable to the 'humility' of asking for donations rather than 'demanding' payment for service. Just a thought. |
I'd have to agree here. A LOT of people (like Mithie) simply won't stand to pay someone to help with their mission. In fact, spamming a charge could seriously hurt your reputation with the player base. Asking for donations is a much better way to make a few gold rather than a standard fee.
Just remember though: as a monk, you'll usually get a free ride to Uw/Fow when you get to that point in the game.
Nash
If a Monk would demand to be paid I'd take henchs too, or just get one off my list. It's just lame when people want to get paid to have people help them with a mission.
Lost
Instead of taking people's money you could change into a farmer and pile up gold faster and also keep your reputation in tact.
Mithie
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If a Monk would demand to be paid I'd take henchs too, or just get one off my list. It's just lame when people want to get paid to have people help them with a mission.
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Calimar
Agreed Nash. No monk who asks for payment stays in MY group. I might just as well put him on ignore list.
But that's not the point here: he was asking how much would the market be. Well, for what I see it's about 3-5k for a Droknar's run, so assuming I did pay - and I don't - I'd pay abou 2k for a mission and 500-1k for a quest. 3-4k for FoW/UW.
Either way, it would be half at start, and half at completion of mission/quest. I take a risk since I don't know you and you might be incompetent, you take a risk on my honesty.
My opinion. But the only reason I can see to make someone pay for my services is if I'm roleplaying a Mercenary.
Now that I think of it, I'd answer a monk asking for money with somethg like "ok, I'll pay you 2k for the mission if you pay me 2k for MY part in the mission." That'd be cool
But that's not the point here: he was asking how much would the market be. Well, for what I see it's about 3-5k for a Droknar's run, so assuming I did pay - and I don't - I'd pay abou 2k for a mission and 500-1k for a quest. 3-4k for FoW/UW.
Either way, it would be half at start, and half at completion of mission/quest. I take a risk since I don't know you and you might be incompetent, you take a risk on my honesty.
My opinion. But the only reason I can see to make someone pay for my services is if I'm roleplaying a Mercenary.
Now that I think of it, I'd answer a monk asking for money with somethg like "ok, I'll pay you 2k for the mission if you pay me 2k for MY part in the mission." That'd be cool
Darksci
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Originally Posted by Calimar
3-4k for FoW/UW.
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Mithie
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Originally Posted by Darksci
3-4K for FoW/UW whats that about? Last i heard it was 1plat to get in?
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Aniewiel
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Originally Posted by Calimar
Now that I think of it, I'd answer a monk asking for money with somethg like "ok, I'll pay you 2k for the mission if you pay me 2k for MY part in the mission." That'd be cool!
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Mumblyfish
If you're going to be despicable, you might as well go the whole hog. Pick a nice, hard mission and join a party as normal with a couple of friends in tow. Get near the end, then spring up the "If you don't give us <X>, we all leave". If they don't give you the money, disconnect. Bonus points if you Death Nova them then sit back and laugh, or lead any henchmen to their death before leaving. If they give you the money, you're golden. Disconnect and find another group to destroy, why stick around?
Honestly. Put some effort in.
Honestly. Put some effort in.
Darksci
Well i've been to UW/FoW but i only use my trapper there. No need for a monk whenever i go there, since i'm always in a traper group.
Paladin_Adoni
Firstly, if your charging you better be one god dam fantastic monk. if I was to pay a monk to help me out (and in some missions I would be more than happy to pay a professional), that monk better be dam fine, know what hes doing, and above all have plenty of information on said mission.
if you have done each mission less than 10 times, I would say dont charge, yet. Droknars runners (the legit ones) know there sh1t, if you dont dont know yours, your liable to get the bad end of the stick if you get my meaning.
that said, if you ARE a pro, then 1K should be about max, I mean, as many people have said, the henchman are there for free, sure there not as good, but at least should something stuff up, your not out 1K.
if you have done each mission less than 10 times, I would say dont charge, yet. Droknars runners (the legit ones) know there sh1t, if you dont dont know yours, your liable to get the bad end of the stick if you get my meaning.
that said, if you ARE a pro, then 1K should be about max, I mean, as many people have said, the henchman are there for free, sure there not as good, but at least should something stuff up, your not out 1K.
Squallox
Any monk charging for "services" is pathetic in my books. If you want to get a bad rep though its up to you. Good luck.
Paladin_Adoni
you notice how few people can hold back, and not come in here and flame the topic? do you people have no self control?
I dont really agree with charging for any type of service, but that doesnt mean I should come in here and flame the crap out of it. the OP has every right to charge if he/she so wishes, so rather than being a dick and flaming, I gave frank-but-positive feedback.
get some self control, if you dont have anything on-topic to say, leave it out.
I dont really agree with charging for any type of service, but that doesnt mean I should come in here and flame the crap out of it. the OP has every right to charge if he/she so wishes, so rather than being a dick and flaming, I gave frank-but-positive feedback.
get some self control, if you dont have anything on-topic to say, leave it out.
Diomedes
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Now add to that the danger of getting scammed by a monk who takes cash and then drops and the price falls further. Now I'm only willing to pay say 600 gp since they might be (a) terrible or (b) drop and take my cash.
Finally, you have competition, the free henchmen. Sure they may not be as good in some ways, but it is competition. It's like going to the store and seeing a good six pack of Harp for $7 and next to it a 6 pack of ice house for $2. Sure the harp is better, but at the end of the day, both of 'em get the job done.
Thus I would say that making money as a monk by trying to charge is not going to work for you. I think getting a free ride to UW/FoW is as good as it gets.
-Diomedes
Tactical-Dillusions
I would just ask for any drops while in the mission. For example, "Hi team. If anybody doesn't want any items that drop, could i have them please?"
I have never charged and i never will but i have asked for items in this manner. It's polite and it stops loot going to waste.
Demonic remains and glitter seem to stack up in UW if you put out that message.
Those bits of junk can net you a few plat after a while.
I have never charged and i never will but i have asked for items in this manner. It's polite and it stops loot going to waste.
Demonic remains and glitter seem to stack up in UW if you put out that message.
Shandoo Bilari
As a perma-monk I disaprove of this thread.
You people who charge money and ask for items are sad sad human beings.
Go away.
You people who charge money and ask for items are sad sad human beings.
Go away.
Paladin_Adoni
^ another dimwit with no self control
Tactical-Dillusions
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As a perma-monk I disaprove of this thread.
You people who charge money and ask for items are sad sad human beings. Go away. |
Person X walks past their loot.
Monk says "Don't you want that?"
Diomedes
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-Diomedes
Paladin_Adoni
well, actually yes. it has for me. but those are less "up-tight" forums.
for me its a habit, and unfortuntely despite the fact I cant do the things I can on my many other regular forums, I cant help myself.
plus it pisses me off to no end when people do that
for me its a habit, and unfortuntely despite the fact I cant do the things I can on my many other regular forums, I cant help myself.
plus it pisses me off to no end when people do that
Darksci
Well i do consider myself a good monk. At first i only created a monk to actually complete this damm game, since my ranger had problems getting into a group during accension (They all asked for monk. i shout out "LFG MISSION" they reply "Are you monk?" I say "Ranger".... No reply), so i thought, screw it ill be a monk - may as well see what its like.
So i create a monk, at first it was boring , then after i got most of the healing spells i actually enjoyed doing a 'combo' of healing spells, and using healing seed on the strongest tank. During the later missions i found it easy to deal with most of the people, figuring out who was the strongest, weakest, who wasn't infused, who not to heal (anyone not infused i didn't heal nor res, sorry i'm not wasting any energy on someone who is more likely to die), also not healing/res anyone that doesn't follow the party leaders orders. So i played the monk, got lots of praise from completing a hard mission, and was doing a damm good job of it lol.
So i create a monk, at first it was boring , then after i got most of the healing spells i actually enjoyed doing a 'combo' of healing spells, and using healing seed on the strongest tank. During the later missions i found it easy to deal with most of the people, figuring out who was the strongest, weakest, who wasn't infused, who not to heal (anyone not infused i didn't heal nor res, sorry i'm not wasting any energy on someone who is more likely to die), also not healing/res anyone that doesn't follow the party leaders orders. So i played the monk, got lots of praise from completing a hard mission, and was doing a damm good job of it lol.
Aniewiel
I agree, Paladin but, frankly, I don't see these forums as particularly uptight. LOL! The mods are pretty darned lenient with the "Smite Post" stick, if you ask me.
Times change. Double posts and flames beware.
-Scaphism
Times change. Double posts and flames beware.
-Scaphism
Drakron
This is a public forum privated operated and owned.
There is no such thing as having "condictions" on tread replies beyond the ones the forum owners set.
You are not one, you cannot say to us to not or what to post.
Besides this is about how player charge to join a mission, we dont see elementars asking a fee for their spellcasting abilities, or mesmers for their shutdown abilities or rangers for their luring/trap abilities.
If I seen a monk charging for a mission and then later starting a group so it could beat a mission you could be damn sure I would wisper his team about what he done and say I would join if I would get payed since s/he was asking for payment to join in other missions.
Better would be if I found out it was playing another non-monk character were I would inform all monks on his team that he charges as monk character.
There is no such thing as having "condictions" on tread replies beyond the ones the forum owners set.
You are not one, you cannot say to us to not or what to post.
Besides this is about how player charge to join a mission, we dont see elementars asking a fee for their spellcasting abilities, or mesmers for their shutdown abilities or rangers for their luring/trap abilities.
If I seen a monk charging for a mission and then later starting a group so it could beat a mission you could be damn sure I would wisper his team about what he done and say I would join if I would get payed since s/he was asking for payment to join in other missions.
Better would be if I found out it was playing another non-monk character were I would inform all monks on his team that he charges as monk character.
Mumblyfish
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Originally Posted by Darksci
When i started this post, i mentioned that IF YOU were against charging, then theres no need to post here. So i don't need to lisen to a word you say.
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Darksci
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As a perma-monk I disaprove of this thread.
You people who charge money and ask for items are sad sad human beings. Go away. |
I clearly stated in the Thread Title: "Monk Charging Service - How much? (If your against charging - Dont come here)"
Anyone who doesn't read a thread title is a sad sad human being.
Paladin_Adoni
^ bada bing LOL
thats funny, and I knew that was coming LOL
again like I said, if you a really good monk, asking NICELY for payment when you do a fantastic job will get you a good rep after time. people will start to know that if they pay for you to come along, they wont have to worry about getting some noob idiot loser going off on a tangent and ruining the mission.
but make sure you really know your sh1t first
thats funny, and I knew that was coming LOL
again like I said, if you a really good monk, asking NICELY for payment when you do a fantastic job will get you a good rep after time. people will start to know that if they pay for you to come along, they wont have to worry about getting some noob idiot loser going off on a tangent and ruining the mission.
but make sure you really know your sh1t first
Diomedes
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-Diomedes
MuKen
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Besides this is about how player charge to join a mission, we dont see elementars asking a fee for their spellcasting abilities, or mesmers for their shutdown abilities or rangers for their luring/trap abilities.
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I'm not against charging. I said it's despicable. Demanding gold for healing hurts the Monk profession and the "community", if you could call it that, as a whole.
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Diomedes
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-Diomedes
Mithie
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As a thread creator, i disapprove of your opinion in this thread.
I clearly stated in the Thread Title: "Monk Charging Service - How much? (If your against charging - Dont come here)" Anyone who doesn't read a thread title is a sad sad human being. |
Darksci
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Okay, but I'm just saying that the point of my post is that I, as a consumer, have no way of knowing that you're a good monk. You can tell me that, but bad monks will tell me that they're good monks too. There is no way to prove your skill to your party, hence I would never pay much since I can't know for sure if you're a good monk or a bad monk. That's all I'm saying, it's called something like "imperfect information" or something like that (can't recall).
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Ok so what do i do to help?
As far as i know theres a running thread or something which validates forge runners, nothing of the sort for monks.
So what do i do? Ask for a small upfront fee before entering the mission, then the final payment upon completion?
Or say with the Thunderhead keep mission, ask for payment upon the dragnor cinematic?
Suggestions please!
mrpo
My mate, a very good monk, was on a mission with a bunch of muppets who he just couldnt keep alive. He was kicked out and abused back at town. To add insult to injury he was messaged that they now had paid for a "proper" healer.
5 minutes later, they were back in town *begging* him to rejoin and for 2k
Such is life. He told them to bugger off naturally.
Po
5 minutes later, they were back in town *begging* him to rejoin and for 2k
Such is life. He told them to bugger off naturally.
Po
MuKen
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The non-jerk way to discuss your opinions is to start another thread "should monks charge for their services"
Epinephrine
It's so true - a good monk is a great thing, but even a good monk can be useless in a bad party. Likewise, a good party doesn't need a good monk quite often - the worst heal spammer can be fine if you are good players.
So what is the market?
You have the guys who are so bad it would take a miracle to get them through. They'll fail even with a good monk, and will badmouth anyone who runs with them. A bad risk.
You have the good players, who don't REALLY need the monk that badly - heck, I completed Sanctum the other day with no monk in the party. They'll never pay, they can do it with Lina and Mhenlo along.
You've got the ones that are bad enough to need a good monk, but will fail with a mediocre monk - That's a job that could pay well - if you get them through you are a good monk, and probably saved them some time, and may deserve the payment you seek: Do these mediocre players have money? Not a ton I'd bet, but you may get some from them. So your target are the mediocre players really, who may have enough to pay, and aren't so bad that you are wasting your time. I don't know how big the market is, but that's the one.
Given that the good players have money, but won't pay you, you've got the decent parties and the bad risks left over. The more bad risk groups you end up with the worse your reputation will get,as they'll say you are horrible even though it is their bad play that is costing the missions. Depending on how good you really are, the proportion of groups that are bad risks will vary.
Getting paid up front would ensure that they don't walk, but if I were paying I'd want to see if it was worth it - I wouldn't want to pay till the end, or at least until after a difficult segment - an area that might have stopped me previously. Getting paid at the end is probably alright with most of the groups that needed a good monk if you are one, but if you are mediocre they might walk, and if you fail the mission you can count on not seeing anything.
Some missions have obvious hard bits where you could ask for your payment, partway along. While I disapprove of the concept, there's my take on it.
So what is the market?
You have the guys who are so bad it would take a miracle to get them through. They'll fail even with a good monk, and will badmouth anyone who runs with them. A bad risk.
You have the good players, who don't REALLY need the monk that badly - heck, I completed Sanctum the other day with no monk in the party. They'll never pay, they can do it with Lina and Mhenlo along.
You've got the ones that are bad enough to need a good monk, but will fail with a mediocre monk - That's a job that could pay well - if you get them through you are a good monk, and probably saved them some time, and may deserve the payment you seek: Do these mediocre players have money? Not a ton I'd bet, but you may get some from them. So your target are the mediocre players really, who may have enough to pay, and aren't so bad that you are wasting your time. I don't know how big the market is, but that's the one.
Given that the good players have money, but won't pay you, you've got the decent parties and the bad risks left over. The more bad risk groups you end up with the worse your reputation will get,as they'll say you are horrible even though it is their bad play that is costing the missions. Depending on how good you really are, the proportion of groups that are bad risks will vary.
Getting paid up front would ensure that they don't walk, but if I were paying I'd want to see if it was worth it - I wouldn't want to pay till the end, or at least until after a difficult segment - an area that might have stopped me previously. Getting paid at the end is probably alright with most of the groups that needed a good monk if you are one, but if you are mediocre they might walk, and if you fail the mission you can count on not seeing anything.
Some missions have obvious hard bits where you could ask for your payment, partway along. While I disapprove of the concept, there's my take on it.
Reaper
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My mate, a very good monk, was on a mission with a bunch of muppets who he just couldnt keep alive.
Po |