Runners = Cheaters?

Dusk_

Dusk_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

I find it slightly pathetic that so many people consider people who get others to run them to high level areas to be cheaters. It's rather pretentious to assume that your way of playing is like the gospel.

Arena.net made this game for the casual player, the person that doesn't spend hours on end working just to get meager tablescraps. Running is just another part of that, a way of cutting the time. Whether you like it or not, not everyone wants to do the same damn quests over and over again.

Before I get people make false assumptions, I have never hired a runner, and I'm religious about finishing quests/missions. I still have an open mind though.

Just my 2 cents.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

i dont think they are cheaters... i think of them as lamers... its not like the first missions are very hard, so why do you need super armor? (that seems to be the answer most people give to the reason they run)

i have never run, i will never run, and i probly will never help anyone run

just my 2 canadian cents

B3H

B3H

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Mid-West

Cheer Up Emo Kid [EMO]

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
i dont think they are cheaters... i think of them as lamers... its not like the first missions are very hard, so why do you need super armor? (that seems to be the answer most people give to the reason they run)

i have never run, i will never run, and i probly will never help anyone run

just my 2 canadian cents
Wanting to have the ability to own in the comp arenas at low lvls with high lvl armor is just ghey imo

The game was made to not be time extensive like other rpgs. It takes like an hr and a half to reach lions arch ffs.

Haloknight9

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Well put dusk. I agree with you fully.

However it seems that for some reason people think that a high level area is hooked to a lower level place for no reason.

Now theres a few points I do agree on thier parts. The lower end people with higher end armor, owning the lower end arenas. Thats 'technically' an exploit. Not the getting of the armor mind you, the use of it in a lower end arena. Which I havent seen yet, but im hearing people complain about it.

As for people running others to droknars that havent played through the game yet I do disagree with. One, becuase they are ruining thier own experience of the game (some people, not all), and two becuase they have not earned it, in my opinion.

But i see no problem with someone thats already played the game with a previous character going on a run to get armor, to help them advance a bit quicker. As you said: "not everyone wants to do the same damn quests over and over again."

I personally like to get ran there so its one less thing i have to worry about as im progressing.

MoebiusLost

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/Mo

It is the same as always, people are adamant that they are right. They have closed minds and refuse to fairly consider the alternatives -- too much hard work I suppose.

If somebody has the money, and wants to, who are you to tell them they can't?

They have obviously earned the armor in this example, as they have either worked to get the money, or worked to get there via running themselves.

I find it most often the case that those who speak the loudest against this sort of behavior are either jealous that they didn't do it themselves, or simply angry that everyone doesn't do things their way.

What I find pathetic are the people who insist on treating this game like a job.

ownage of teh elite

ownage of teh elite

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Paradise =)

N/Me

Well mates, a-net just added a shitload of mobs to the beacons to droknar run. I doubt it will be easier, it is going to be extremely harder. And Im only talking 1/5 of the run!

God knows what else they added?

OmegaTron No0b Ownz0r?

Watersong

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The persistance of runners will prevail.

Kershent

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

If it's just PvE, fine. If it's PvP, it's cheating. I can't do anything in the lower arenas with my low characters, because I have zero chance of beating someone with Droknar armor. It's very frustrating.

I am Back

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Miami, FL

Angels of Utopia

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

i have never run, i will never run, and i probly will never help anyone run

just my 2 canadian cents
sigh.. canadian just kidding just kidding

Rajamic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

IA

Chronicles of Heroes [CoH]

R/Me

They aren't cheaters, but I think the griefer tag fits.

thestealthcow101

thestealthcow101

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

if a level 10 manages to get the normal asking price for runners (2k?), and they can get the money for the armor (17,500G for platemail, 13,300 for knights...dunno bout the others) then so be it.

the only reason i took a run to droknars forge is because a guy was doing a test run, and offering it for free. i dont see those come by often, so i knew i had to take it. i was a level 19, just about 20 at the time, so i don't feel like i've ruined my experience.

Watersong

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I rushed my monk.

I finished the game with my ranger.

I only went for the skills and armour.

Haloknight9

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

I apologize about the "they shouldnt if they havent earned it statement"
Sometimes I too make the narrow-minded mistake of not thinking about the way people play games. Some do just to see how fast they can do it and what not, etc. Thats cool with me.

If they do it to get the armor and compete in lower level arenas. Thats just screwed up.

Yukito Kunisaki

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haloknight9
I apologize about the "they shouldnt if they havent earned it statement"
Sometimes I too make the narrow-minded mistake of not thinking about the way people play games. Some do just to see how fast they can do it and what not, etc. Thats cool with me.

If they do it to get the armor and compete in lower level arenas. Thats just screwed up.
OH yeah? How do you compete against someone in the Shiverpeak's lvl 15 max arena using Elites...?

ELITES ffs...

Then the bunghole says, "Skill? Skill says you're dead on the ground..."

Oh yeah, sure... Soo much skill to have someone RUN your sorry-pathetic-must-feel-better-than-others ass to Droknar's Forge... Damn lamers...

I honestly think the game MUST have a pure LOCK on things like using elites in like, the Ascalon arena. For sure if someone can stuff my lvl 15 mes/nec in Shiverpeak's with SPELL BREAKER, someone can do it in Ascalon Arena. Droknar's armor should be lvl 20 for sure. I mean, you already ascended right? Why would the people who ascended care? ^_^ Sanctum Cay runner? That'll force some levels into ya. No lvl 10s I PWNZORS U people...

Feli

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

I don't care if some guy roams the missions with his elite skills and Armor... but hitting the Arena and even be as moronic as to say "well its fair..."
Fair up your ***
People do 0-1 Damage to you and you consider this fair? While you are basically unattackable towards them due to Spellbreaker and other powerful Elites.

Cheating -> Gaining an unfair advantage over everyone else by employing either hacks or exploits. 60 AL+ Armor as a Level 2 is an exploit. Tell me for all you want... it is an exploit. I don't care for the mission because i don't have to compete against it there but i do care about the Arenas. Why should people have a HUGE Advantage just because they completed the game? I've completed it 3 times... now do i have the right to get a max damage weapon and a max def armor for my next Character as soon as he leaves tutorial (which will happen at level 1) and totally "ownzorize!!!!!111oneone!!!!!1111" the Level 10 Arenas?

Most assuredly NOT.
Yes, Droknar runned People in Arenas are plain cheaters. Don't like the sound of that? DON'T CHEAT THEN.

none

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Runners = Cheaters?
nope.

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Runners = Griefers?
nope - at least not all of them.

And grieving doesn't have anything todo with exploits. Because you're a griefer if you stand in LA shouting "How are you" every 2 seconds for 10 hours as well. Griefers ruin the game play of others, and since the human mind is so perfect in finding ways to do this, there is no way to stop it. But there is no reason to shut down running either.

The undead Mesmer

The undead Mesmer

Delphian Scribe

Join Date: May 2005

Holland

No guild ;_;

N/Me

i disagree with that i yeah i did rushed my ''Warrior'' to droknars forge and i only did it for the armour because i needed a farming character and yes i tryed battling in the ascalon arena with my armour but i still lose (i am bad in pvp so dont blame me hehe)

i dont think that rushers/the ppl being rushed are cheaters do you like it to do the game 4 times over and over again if you already did it a dozen of times
(atleast i did 8 characters 4 deleted of em >.< so i dont think that they are cheaters.

Aaaaagh

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Runners are not cheaters, griefers, lamers or any other retarded l33t names you geeks come up with. They are GREAT! I am not one, but I do pay them very regularily. Why? Its not to own newbs in the low level arenas, if you need Drok's armor to win in the lvl 10 arena, well you suck. Normally its because I just want to unlock skills, thats all I care about. Played the PvE portion of the game 5x now to get all of my unlocks. I really enjoyed the first 3 times through, but now I want to pvp. I find the pvp much more rewarding, and pvp characters are much more logical to use then pve. I want unlocks, runners get me my unlocks while saving me many precious hours, my time is valuble. They only charge 3k tops to run you places, I have more money then I will ever spend in this game anyhow. So why not, you nay-sayers, why cant I be run? You dont have to if you dont want to.

In real life do you go around complaining about services you dont use? Alot of people mow lawns for a living. I wouldnt ever hire someone to mow my lawn, it seems lazy and rediculous to me. So, I guess I should be like you and write my legislation to make it so mowing lawn services are illegal and cannot be used.

You nay-sayers, it is YOU who are the lamers. Welcome to reality.

Feli

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Your "reality" however is shrouded in fairy tale magenta colors.
You don't hit the arenas with your Droknar Armor... up to you... i don't care then.
But if you hit the level 10 Arenas... you're a cheater.
Period, Fact... call it whatever you like. Tell me a reason why this is NO cheating having advantages no one can keep up with that is not cheating as well.

Aaaaagh

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Feli
Your "reality" however is shrouded in fairy tale magenta colors.
You don't hit the arenas with your Droknar Armor... up to you... i don't care then.
But if you hit the level 10 Arenas... you're a cheater.
Period, Fact... call it whatever you like. Tell me a reason why this is NO cheating having advantages no one can keep up with that is not cheating as well.
Well, typically I just dont care about the newb arena, sure I played as a newb, but does anyone experienced do this?

You claim no one can keep up with it? Absolutely anyone can keep up with it, there is no skill involved in buying a droknars (or whatever) run. There is no reason everyone cant do it.

Phades

Phades

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaaaagh
Well, typically I just dont care about the newb arena, sure I played as a newb, but does anyone experienced do this?

You claim no one can keep up with it? Absolutely anyone can keep up with it, there is no skill involved in buying a droknars (or whatever) run. There is no reason everyone cant do it.
If they play through the game normally to get to beacon's perch to do the run they wont be level 10 anymore. If they run to beacon's perch skipping as much content as possible, then buy their way to droknar's forge, then go back and pickup what few skills they would actually use and goto the arena then yeah they will still be level 10. Hell, you could be level 13-15 before even getting to yak's bend just on questing and being thorough.

The main issue to this situation is what many have come to call twinking. Some games have ways to curtail this, others do not. In a "competitive" game i would expect limitations on what is available, starting at the pre-searing all the way up to GvG. This follows a natural progression going through the pve, but it does not follow any kind of progression if the goal is pvp. This is why people have raised their voices in objection towards the individuals that choose to go for the most advantage possible before they are intended to weild it. These low end arenas are the worst case skewing arguments for and against the unlock all X threads. The worst case is that people will have elietes, armor, runes, fittings, and weapons that are well beyond what their opponent has and end up with a distinct advantage. It would be almost the same if those lower end arenas didnt have level restrictions, as you would see the same equipment and skills employed, just on a higher skill point character.

Then there is the attitude that this is beneath them and it doesnt affect the game. It does affect everyone who hasnt already played the game through several times and are still learning it. People who face off against these over twinked characters will likely get turned off to pvp or the entire game before they understand it fully as well. In other words, it should matter to everyone, if they care about playing with or against anyone new in the future.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

If you want to hear my piece on this...

Runners != Cheaters
Runners = FAGOTS

That's it. Gays, fags, sissies... whatever you wish to call them, they are it.

Lvl 7 character wearing droknar armor with illusionary weaponary in ascalon arena. Very honarable gameplay indeed. The way devs intended it... NOT.

Old Dood

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

I paid a guy last night. He was asking for 1.5K for the run. It was very entertaining to watch him thread the needle. I gave him 2K because he was honest and a decent person. My character is a lev 15 monk. I was lev 8 when I crossed over from Pre-Searing. I do not use my guy to go to the lower level arenas. I can count on my hand how many times I have been in the arena since this game started. I just wanted better armor because I believe 30AL armor is just too whimpy. I also have finished the game with my W/mo before. Now I can go out and solo better.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaaaagh
Well, typically I just dont care about the newb arena, sure I played as a newb, but does anyone experienced do this?
Yeah, they farm newbies for faction. I haven't tried Ascalon for a while, but it's probably a bit better now when you get exp for PvP again, as that means their avatars will eventually out-level the arenas, and they'll either have to twink a new or <gasp!> fight fair.

Although that's probably small comfort to the hundreds of newbies they've ganked before being kicked out of the low level arenas.


As for the runners, they have my respect. It takes skill to run to Droknars, I've tried it but never got more than half way. The people they run, now, those I just consider lame, even if they use the armor just for PvE. As others have said, it's not like the early missions are hard.

Stur

Stur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Athens Georgia

Outlaws of Ascalon

E/Mo

If they want to stop it, all they have to do is close Lornar's Pass. I servers no purpose other than for "runners" and maybe capping a few elites. More the boss mobs to a different zone, close it, problem solved. If they do you'll know they didn't intend it to be used that way, and if they do then problem solved. If they don't then get over it, play your game and quit telling people how to play theirs. God i feel like i'm in the room with Hilary Clinton.

Mithie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Rest En Pieces [RIP]

Me/W

Why do I run to Drok's? Because I'd rather pay 2k on a runner than spend money on buying armor in-between and then having to dump those armor a week later for drok's armor, therefore wasting all the resources and money I've spent on acquiring them. Unless you tell me I'll be a productive member of my team in thirsty river with my starter armor.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by MoebiusLost
It is the same as always, people are adamant that they are right. They have closed minds and refuse to fairly consider the alternatives -- too much hard work I suppose.

What I find pathetic are the people who insist on treating this game like a job.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It sounds like you are rather adamant about your point. Do you have a closed mind?

I think that running to areas where your level character shouldn't yet be is silly. But if they have the money and are just too impatient to wait, it doesn't hurt anyone. Runners only exploit the greed of the persons willing to pay.

Weezer_Blue

Weezer_Blue

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Just a Box in a Cage

Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]

Runners? 0mFgz0rZ h4x!!111shift+1one

Feli

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

So it is newb arena and no one is fighting there... what if i would enjoy fighting there now and then if not for the Droknar Cheaters in there?

Go on, tell me how you beat a Warrior in a big bad max AL Armor, hitting for 60-100 combos while you do 1-2 Damage to him. Go on, i'm listening. No reply? Wonder why... because you can't with the very limited possibilities of a person who plays the game the normal way. Health Degen? Yeah... won't last long enough and you're dead before you or your team can get off a second spell of that type.
What exactly is fair about that? I had a warrior in there 4 people were shooting, casting and whatever... at the end of the battle he lost like 25 % hitpoint and killed all of us with one or two hits. This is the way the game is meant to be played? No it is cheating. Cheating your way towards equipment and skillsetups not made for your level.
So just because it is the "NEWB!!!!!!11!" Arena, the people who play there are there just for the reaping? Getting killed without the slightest bit of chance?
Go on, tell me how do you kill someone who has triple your armor and eliteskills with your meager low level skillsetup?

Normally living with the minimal Skillchoice you got there, is the thing that makes the Lowlevel Arena Interesting, the lack of the Trendw_h_o_r_e Builds. People actually gotta be creative to pull something in these arenas, unlike the normal PVP Character who just copies another ones copy.

See, i completed the game several times, it would be real easy for me to get pulled to Droknar and basically just do the same thing... but it is not right, it is lame and... yes... say whatever you want, its cheating.


So let it be the newb Arenas, even or especially the new players mustn't be treated like shit just because they started the game anew and some moron thinks it is his god damn duty to "ownzorize teh noobs wit his uba gear...lolololooooolroflroflloool"

Mithie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Rest En Pieces [RIP]

Me/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aniewiel
I think that running to areas where your level character shouldn't yet be is silly. But if they have the money and are just too impatient to wait, it doesn't hurt anyone. Runners only exploit the greed of the persons willing to pay.
Greed? Naw, it's not greed. I'd rather pay a runner 2k than spend over 5k on a set of armor at Lion's Arch just so I won't die in one hit when I do the ascension missions. That 5k is essentially wasted once I DO reach droknar's legitimately, where I purchase the drok armor and trash or sell my LA armor. If they gave me an option of upgrading my armor without paying the whole cost over again, I'd be the happiest guy on Earth.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Feli
So it is newb arena and no one is fighting there... what if i would enjoy fighting there now and then if not for the Droknar Cheaters in there?

Go on, tell me how you beat a Warrior in a big bad max AL Armor, hitting for 60-100 combos while you do 1-2 Damage to him. Go on, i'm listening. No reply? Wonder why... because you can't with the very limited possibilities of a person who plays the game the normal way. Health Degen? Yeah... won't last long enough and you're dead before you or your team can get off a second spell of that type.
What exactly is fair about that? I had a warrior in there 4 people were shooting, casting and whatever... at the end of the battle he lost like 25 % hitpoint and killed all of us with one or two hits. This is the way the game is meant to be played? No it is cheating. Cheating your way towards equipment and skillsetups not made for your level.
So just because it is the "NEWB!!!!!!11!" Arena, the people who play there are there just for the reaping? Getting killed without the slightest bit of chance?
Go on, tell me how do you kill someone who has triple your armor and eliteskills with your meager low level skillsetup?

Normally living with the minimal Skillchoice you got there, is the thing that makes the Lowlevel Arena Interesting, the lack of the Trendw_h_o_r_e Builds. People actually gotta be creative to pull something in these arenas, unlike the normal PVP Character who just copies another ones copy.

See, i completed the game several times, it would be real easy for me to get pulled to Droknar and basically just do the same thing... but it is not right, it is lame and... yes... say whatever you want, its cheating.


So let it be the newb Arenas, even or especially the new players mustn't be treated like shit just because they started the game anew and some moron thinks it is his god damn duty to "ownzorize teh noobs wit his uba gear...lolololooooolroflroflloool"

Try this thread:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=35812

Post your ideas on -how- it can be cleaned up.

Weezer_Blue

Weezer_Blue

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Just a Box in a Cage

Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]

The problem is that there are a slew of people who want people to play the game *their* way, even if options contrary to theirs do not affect them. "You MUST do all the missions to get to droknars"... what if people find it more fun getting a run there? It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. There's no rule book, or set of laws, besides not doing things to harm other players.

Half the complaints are about people with Droknar's armour in the arenas... why not put a restriction on the armour you can take with you (ie: checks inventory, not just equipped items).

Haloknight9

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
OH yeah? How do you compete against someone in the Shiverpeak's lvl 15 max arena using Elites...?
You can't really, heh. I personally consider it an exploit. Perhaps I should go check the guidelines people sign when installing the game, im pretty sure it is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
Oh yeah, sure... Soo much skill to have someone RUN your sorry-pathetic-must-feel-better-than-others ass to Droknar's Forge... Damn lamers.....
Yeah, its lame. Damn arena farmers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
I honestly think the game MUST have a pure LOCK on things like using elites in like, the Ascalon arena. For sure if someone can stuff my lvl 15 mes/nec in Shiverpeak's with SPELL BREAKER, someone can do it in Ascalon Arena......
This idea rocks... I think it would be cool if they added some kind of armor lock as well. Aka: you cant use droknars armor or elites in lower level arena.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
Droknar's armor should be lvl 20 for sure. I mean, you already ascended right?
This I highly disagree with. I would say about all the people I know that get ran to the forge get the armor for a reason. And that reason is becuase we already played through the game once with the other character on the account. When we create a new one, and work him/her to beacons pearch, getting the armor is just one less thing we have to do endgame when running through the whole process again. Besides, it tends to help you a bit on the 2+ run through.

Lets think for a second... a higher level area (forge) hooked to a lower level area (beacons perch) ... sure seems intentional to me... allthough I don't think it was for the purpose of having people use armor/skills to keep control the lower end arenas.. I think thats just one area the devs didnt think about.

ComMan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

If you run to finish the PvE faster, then I don't care.

If you run to cap elites and get Forge Armor for Ascolon/Shiverpeak Arena, then you're a cheater.

Algren Cole

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

I don't really care if they do it or not...the only thing I care about is that they justify it by saying "AreneNet intended it to be this way".....and they didn't. I have a large problem with people that skew ideas and words to meet whatever need they have for them. Lornars Pass was NOT put in so you could run people to droknar for money.

Albertt

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

thing about if u ar a magician ........ u can't attack near of the enemy .....

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Calimar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Silver Limon

E/Me

Uhmpf.

should I mention I'm not a runner and I got to droknar on my feet, through glint's? I guess I should.

If it's about the arenas, there's another thread. If it's not about the low level arenas, can someone give me a reason that does not include "a.net wants/didn't want" or "they're cheaters"?

Let people play as they like. If it humiliates you to be beaten up, ask for a 1vs1 arena where you can settle scores. You create a pvp char, you fight it out. If the runner's product beats you there, it's skill. Period.

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezer_Blue
The problem is that there are a slew of people who want people to play the game *their* way, even if options contrary to theirs do not affect them. "You MUST do all the missions to get to droknars"... what if people find it more fun getting a run there? It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. There's no rule book, or set of laws, besides not doing things to harm other players.
You're absolutely right. It is a game, people can play how they want as long as it doesn't effect anyone in a negetive way (winning against a sore loser isn't included). However being run somewhere isn't exactly playing. It's watching someone else play, someone else do it for you.

While I don't have anything against the concept of running, I am very much against the concept of people running for others and others willing for people to run them places. I can't stop it, ArenaNet probably can't stop it, but it's not right. It's not playing the game, it's being lazy and getting people to play it for you so you can say you beat it cause your character has it beat.

I'm not talking about the Lornar's run specifically (the droknar's armour first to save time on getting the Lion's Arch armour is a good idea) but pretty much the running anywhere. People being run to Yaks bend, Beacon's Perch, Gates of Kryta, Beetletun, Temple of Ages, Sanctum Cay, etc. It's lame, it's lazy and it should be stopped somehow.

Winds of Blood

Winds of Blood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Void Engineers [vE]

Im actually very sure people want to do quests like Blood and Smoke and Altheas Ashes over again. Or they can pay me 20k to run them from Ascalon to Forge. Thier choice.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calimar
should I mention I'm not a runner and I got to droknar on my feet, through glint's? I guess I should.
Same here.
Quote:
Let people play as they like. If it humiliates you to be beaten up, ask for a 1vs1 arena where you can settle scores.
Yes, of course the newbies suck at PvP - they're new. Quite often, even usually, the twinked characters have not only better gear and skills, but are also more skilled, than the newbies they gank. Skill is not the point.

The point is that the low level arenas is a place to let newbies try PvP under easy forms, so they'll want to play more PvP. They're supposed to LEARN.

So the problem with twinked characters farming newbies is that it puts the newbies off ever playing PvP again. That's in no-ones interest.