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Originally Posted by Aernok
I've yet to see blood in this game. Someone point it out for me, please?
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ESRB Petition to Change GW Rating
AceSnyp3r
WarriorMonk
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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel
Actually, the use of alcoholic beverages often is grounds for a higher rating. Hence why games like Earthbound have, 'Coffee' -_-.
While I may not really care what the ESRB thinks, for those who do, this may be a valid concern. |
stumpy
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Originally Posted by BrandonIT
... "Game experience may change during online play." ....
BUT. You can make an argument that "online play" has nothing to with built-in portions of the game (ale, dances, underwear...). "Online Play" only covers material added by the online experience (user interaction, etc.) |
Really is this seriously causing someone grief? I think it is fine where it is rated ... the real issue is the immaturity of people and the language they use. But this is only because there are so many younger people playing that have yet to mature. (Also some older people but majority rules) ...
Oh and on the comment of Diablo 1 ... there no blood in GW. So it cant be compared to an M game.
WarriorMonk
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Originally Posted by AceSnyp3r
Some of the conditions and skills like "Bleeding" add a small cloud of red around the target, which could, arguably, be considered as blood.
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EternalTempest
I disagree with the OP
The game was designed with the chat filter and there artwork, etc emotes to not do certain stuff. Now some people have become creative but it was not that way by design. That's why they have the disclaimer about the ESRB may changing in game.
Since any mmorph with a chat function and ability to turn of chat filter with two people doing very AO content and potential for the wrong chat line (direct to opps public shout) all mmorph's would have to be flagged as AO but your argument.
The game was designed with the chat filter and there artwork, etc emotes to not do certain stuff. Now some people have become creative but it was not that way by design. That's why they have the disclaimer about the ESRB may changing in game.
Since any mmorph with a chat function and ability to turn of chat filter with two people doing very AO content and potential for the wrong chat line (direct to opps public shout) all mmorph's would have to be flagged as AO but your argument.
Liante
Wow is this guy for real?
sidepocket13
things that i would like to see stamped with M ratings.........
disney world- Donald duck doesnt wear pants.......
6 flags- 90% of WB cartoon characters dont wear pants......
nicelodeon-spongebob is in his tighty whitey's in the into
summer- women wear swim suits and guys wear no shirt
beer commercials
disney world- Donald duck doesnt wear pants.......
6 flags- 90% of WB cartoon characters dont wear pants......
nicelodeon-spongebob is in his tighty whitey's in the into
summer- women wear swim suits and guys wear no shirt
beer commercials
WarriorMonk
This game promotes racism.
sidepocket13
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Originally Posted by WarriorMonk
This game promotes racism.
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How the heck does it do that?!
AceSnyp3r
It doesn't 
WarriorMonk
You dont see people in say Diablo 1 rated M go around saying "**** Korea" or anything do you evey day?
demonchicken
I dont really see why u would want it rerated, in my opinion it wont do anything anyway. Im 16 and i walked into Best Buy the day GTA came out and bought it by myself, so its not like these ratings are inforced to any extent.
And about the sexual dancing, have you ever been to a school dance i can tell you for sure my school dances are much worse than some polygons that happen to look like they are doing something innapropiate. *God i love those dances*
And about the sexual dancing, have you ever been to a school dance i can tell you for sure my school dances are much worse than some polygons that happen to look like they are doing something innapropiate. *God i love those dances*
sidepocket13
now you are just looking for things to pick at.........freak
B3H
Half life is a totally different game with a totally different concept...
AceSnyp3r
That's other players, who are not part of the game. The game itself does not promote rasicm.
WarriorMonk
Yes it does by dividing the population into 3 areas to fight for favor.
sidepocket13
and you starting out a "for sale" thread that specifically mentions "No Noobs" in the title, thats not some sort of negative charactirization? like noob-ism?
you are a noobist!
you are a noobist!
WarriorMonk
I dont know what you are talking about.
AceSnyp3r
*Sigh* I give up. The game is violent, gory, sexual, racist, and quite possibly the spawn of Satan himself. ESRB should ban this game from the face of the planet!
Mercury Angel
Here's what I think belongs on the label as of now though-
TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood and/or infrequent use of strong language.
Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages [Dwarven Ale]
Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages [Dwarven Ale]
Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of blood [For the 'bleeding' condition, which is the only occurrence of blood in-game I know of]
Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life [should be a given]
Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials [Visible undergarments and jiggling breasts in dances]
Additionally, online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB.
Of course, it's just my opinion, but I don't think the amendments to the rated content are off.
As for half of the OP's post, the section in bold does indeed account for anything that players themselves do.
TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood and/or infrequent use of strong language.
Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages [Dwarven Ale]
Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages [Dwarven Ale]
Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of blood [For the 'bleeding' condition, which is the only occurrence of blood in-game I know of]
Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life [should be a given]
Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials [Visible undergarments and jiggling breasts in dances]
Additionally, online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB.
Of course, it's just my opinion, but I don't think the amendments to the rated content are off.
As for half of the OP's post, the section in bold does indeed account for anything that players themselves do.
sidepocket13
i always thought that "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" refered to lag and other technical issues?? 
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Aernok
All it takes is parental supervision. That will solve all your video game rating problems.
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there are hypocrites who boast of their high moral standards against the obscene dancing and make a choice
1 do the *moral* thing and delete the game until the anti nude dancing filter they want is done
2 play the game with its imorality (LETTING THE KIDS WATCH) because the game playing is more important than what message they send to the kids
and the people in this catagory are still playing so we know how important their morality is to them
names withheld ..........oh yes
if they dont yell nobody will know
and this is NOT refering to the original poster who is NOT in this catagory
just to make that clear
d4nowar
Guild Wars promotes racism just as much as any other game.\
Starcraft does by having US West, US East, Asia 1, Asia 2, etc...
Also, take a look at your local world map. You are likely to see your home country right in the middle where everyone can see it, and other countries are smashed up against the side. Does that mean that some countries are better than others and deserve the top spot in maps?
Starcraft does by having US West, US East, Asia 1, Asia 2, etc...
Also, take a look at your local world map. You are likely to see your home country right in the middle where everyone can see it, and other countries are smashed up against the side. Does that mean that some countries are better than others and deserve the top spot in maps?
stumpy
WarriorMonk ... just because you didnt see people saying that doesn't mean that guildwars is worse off. Diablo1 does not have any competative gameplay ... its diablo ... solely rpg. In any competetive enviroment (look at any game CS, darn go to a REAL LIFE hockey game) you will have some brutes, some well mannered smart azzes, and some immature kids running there mouths off.
Do you have children? Go to there school and take at look at some of the segregation .... in fact do one step better and listen to some of their language they use. This is an immaturity issue ... not a gw issue.
I am serious ...
Do you have children? Go to there school and take at look at some of the segregation .... in fact do one step better and listen to some of their language they use. This is an immaturity issue ... not a gw issue.
I am serious ...
Mercury Angel
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Originally Posted by sidepocket13
i always thought that "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" refered to lag and other technical issues??
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http://esrb.com/esrbratings_guide.asp#symbols
Iceciro
There isn't any BLOOD in Guild Wars. It doesn't even show Rurik properly getting his head chopped off! I have King of Fighters: Maximum Impact for the PS2, it's rated Teen and it has way more suggestion and cleavage showing that Guild Wars could HOPE to have.
Forboding Angel
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Originally Posted by WarriorMonk
GW is an online only rpg. They recently added the "ale" drink into the game. Before ESRB reviewed the game was before the release. I am confident that the "ale" may suggest to kids that "ale" is all fun and games. By adding the alcoholic beverage in game, it glamorizes the use of them. This is why I think ESRB should review the GW rating of Teen.
Also in GW a lot of people act criminally. This game has scammers who scam other such as ***name removed*** and nothing much is done to them. By allowing scammers to get away, they promote the ideology that criminals are not punished. Farthermore, people in game may harass others. If no action is used to prvent this then, I believe this game should be slapped with a harsher rating. This game also has people stripping down to undergarments and engaging in a dance like sex act. This is highly inapporpriate for 13 year olds to witness. This is why I want to petiton here and then see if I can get the ESRB to review the rating. Sign below if you agree. |
Sex dances? I think you mean Sexually suggestive dances. Well, mtv doesn't have a block on it. Last time I checked Micheal Jackson did the triller dance at one time on mtv and children were not banned from watching mtv.
(BTW while I make that agruement, let me note that IO do not reccommend letting Children watch mtv)
sidepocket13
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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel
It's located right under the ESRB rating always for a reason
http://esrb.com/esrbratings_guide.asp#symbols |
thanks! you learn something new every day!!!!
Mercury Angel
As a reminder for those who need to be reminded-
Whether or not the poster is annoying and begins to start putting up bunk arguments and trolls on occasion is IRRELEVANT to the merit of his suggestion.
Whether or not you agree with ESRB rating content of the game is also irrelevant to the topic.
The topic is obviously about the ESRB, which exists, and which relates to the game in that its label is on it. If you have a problem with the ESRB, I suggest you take it up elsewhere, because you're driving this wildly off-topic.
Whether or not you find 'worse things out there' is similarly irrelevant to the ESRB rating system, except as cases of precedent.
You might have had sex at the age of 12, but that doesn't change the content rating system.
If nothing else, the inclusion of Alcohol IS a valid reason to review the rating of Guild Wars, because prior to release, it didn't have any, and if you'll check the ratings system here-
http://esrb.com/esrbratings_guide.asp#symbols
The use and reference of alcohol are supposed to be listed.
Arguing any points such as people drinking under age, in different countries with different legislations, and so on and so forth, is, once again, pointless-
That's an issue with the ESRB rating system itself.
As it stands, there is not a doubt in my mind that the label should now include Reference and Use of Alcohol.
If you don't care what the heck ESRB thinks, then don't. That's your option. You, and/or your parents, have every right to ignore it.
There's no reason to get upset because someone suggests a review of the ESRB rating of Guild Wars. Simply provide evidence against arguments you don't believe are true and let the rest go. If they're true, then they're true, and there's not a thing you can do about it.
Whether or not the poster is annoying and begins to start putting up bunk arguments and trolls on occasion is IRRELEVANT to the merit of his suggestion.
Whether or not you agree with ESRB rating content of the game is also irrelevant to the topic.
The topic is obviously about the ESRB, which exists, and which relates to the game in that its label is on it. If you have a problem with the ESRB, I suggest you take it up elsewhere, because you're driving this wildly off-topic.
Whether or not you find 'worse things out there' is similarly irrelevant to the ESRB rating system, except as cases of precedent.
You might have had sex at the age of 12, but that doesn't change the content rating system.
If nothing else, the inclusion of Alcohol IS a valid reason to review the rating of Guild Wars, because prior to release, it didn't have any, and if you'll check the ratings system here-
http://esrb.com/esrbratings_guide.asp#symbols
The use and reference of alcohol are supposed to be listed.
Arguing any points such as people drinking under age, in different countries with different legislations, and so on and so forth, is, once again, pointless-
That's an issue with the ESRB rating system itself.
As it stands, there is not a doubt in my mind that the label should now include Reference and Use of Alcohol.
If you don't care what the heck ESRB thinks, then don't. That's your option. You, and/or your parents, have every right to ignore it.
There's no reason to get upset because someone suggests a review of the ESRB rating of Guild Wars. Simply provide evidence against arguments you don't believe are true and let the rest go. If they're true, then they're true, and there's not a thing you can do about it.
WarriorMonk
"Additionally, online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB."
(from ESRB site)
ANET made ale, not the players.
(from ESRB site)
ANET made ale, not the players.
d4nowar
I think we can safely assume that it is nonalcoholic ale. It's just a placebo. There is nothing in it. The game never says that there is alcohol in dwarven ale. And since we have no access to a real dwarf, there is no way of telling if the dwarven ale has alcohol in it or not.
Dan Mega
Do you have children? Because its not the government or another third party's responsibility to monitor what they're playing.
sidepocket13
"ANET made ale not the players."
i guess thats a valid point, and reading what mercury said made me realize that i really dont care what the rating is, unless they start to take out different "things" that are already in the game in order to keep the rating they have............. but i still stick to my guns by saying that "ale" can have other meanings then alcoholic.
i guess thats a valid point, and reading what mercury said made me realize that i really dont care what the rating is, unless they start to take out different "things" that are already in the game in order to keep the rating they have............. but i still stick to my guns by saying that "ale" can have other meanings then alcoholic.
WarriorMonk
Does the ale not affect your stats in GW?
Acan Vishnu
Is Guildwarsguru affiliated with the ESRB? Is ArenaNet?
What? No? .. Really?
Then why on God's green earth is this here except as some sort of trolling attempt at flamebait? Mercury Angel said it once, and I'll say it again, "Please go here: http://www.esrb.com/consumer_online_hotline.asp"
If you want the ESRB to do something, maybe you should tell them? I somehow doubt their here watching the GWG forum, just waiting to pick up some hot tip about changes in Guildwars.
What? No? .. Really?
Then why on God's green earth is this here except as some sort of trolling attempt at flamebait? Mercury Angel said it once, and I'll say it again, "Please go here: http://www.esrb.com/consumer_online_hotline.asp"
If you want the ESRB to do something, maybe you should tell them? I somehow doubt their here watching the GWG forum, just waiting to pick up some hot tip about changes in Guildwars.
d4nowar
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Originally Posted by WarriorMonk
Does the ale not affect your stats in GW?
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Loviatar
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Originally Posted by sidepocket13
"but i still stick to my guns by saying that "ale" can have other meanings then alcoholic.
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just as *cider* can be plain old apple juice or *hard* cider with a kick
WarriorMonk
I have already submitted a complaint and think about this.
As your suggestion has been submitted to ANet, this thread has reached the end of its rather long tawdry usefulness. Consider it closed. ~Anie
As your suggestion has been submitted to ANet, this thread has reached the end of its rather long tawdry usefulness. Consider it closed. ~Anie
d4nowar
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Originally Posted by WarriorMonk
I have already submitted a complaint and think about this.
Gambling was removed because it is "illegal". Now think about ale. This game needs to be reviewed. |
WarriorMonk
100k trades is just a scam waiting to happen as well.