A few guildies and I decided to put together a resource which could be used by party leaders when trying to form a group for a particularly important occasion. In this light, I have set out to put together and maintain a list which will keep track of known griefers and whatnot. For all of the information, visit the website:
***URL edited: PM poster if you wish to know where the list lives***
Let me know how you feel about this, I'm not going to change anything in response to your opinions, but I would like to know what you think. Feel free to make submissions.
The Black List
TheBlackList
Aniewiel
Works for me. I can point people who are just dying to name names to your list and they can get the relief they so desperately want. 
However, it is very close to violating our board policy of not naming names.
I hope you have a LOT of bandwidth and server space---it's gonna be a LOOOOOONG list!
However, it is very close to violating our board policy of not naming names.I hope you have a LOT of bandwidth and server space---it's gonna be a LOOOOOONG list!
Odd Sock
No search function ?
Shinsei
Free Webs?
Syklone
So ahh, this blacklist function. Looking at it is kinda flawed. You have two people listed and one is because they wouldnt listen. Was that because they were from a non english speaking country, and the other is because some one couldnt get their way "once" while partied.
My definition of griefing is doing something over and over again. So were you dumb enough to group with this person over and over again to make sure that they were being griefors ?
Just a thought.
Question, will this thread be deleted soon for technically posting griefor details ?
My definition of griefing is doing something over and over again. So were you dumb enough to group with this person over and over again to make sure that they were being griefors ?
Just a thought.
Question, will this thread be deleted soon for technically posting griefor details ?
NitriX
Great idea but not the best host out there!
but great start!
Later
~Nitrix~
but great start!
Later
~Nitrix~
TheBlackList
Skylone, as NitriX pointed out, this is just the start, of course there are only two people. Also, your definintion of "griefors" obviously differs from that of some people. This list is designed to be a guide to prior disgressions of certain characters in the game, not a top 20 list of the worst "griefors" in the game, so some of the things the people on the list have done are not nearly as bad as some others, that's just the way things work. People may decide that the disgression a person is listed for is really not that bad, and decided to party with them anyway. The truth of it is, I'm just supplying information, what somebody reading it does with the information is totally up to them.
And, no, no search function, yet...
I haven't had a need to instate one.
And, no, no search function, yet...
I haven't had a need to instate one.
StandardAI
Add my character names to the list for the hell of it, Attuned Ai, Standard Ai, yay extra grind now, and Divine Ai
PS.
If people check every person in their party and make sure that they're not on the list, or if people memorize this list. You need... Help.
PS.
If people check every person in their party and make sure that they're not on the list, or if people memorize this list. You need... Help.
Syklone
Just reading it, there are 'tools, spastics F___tards etc' running around in guildwars but it would be bad to have some one blacklisted because you (TheBlacklist) do not have access to the real logs and anyone can photoshops an image and supplies it to you.
I could sit here and photoshop a bunch of images for says Nitrix, Shinsei, Aniewiel and anyone else I want being griefors and supply them to you.
Then when said person tries to play and by some chance that group they are attempting to join have your blacklist open and you have them listed, the group will deny them, maybe go as far as telling everyone in the area that a blacklisted person is trying to get in a group and that everyone should stay away form them like the plague.
What you are attempting to create is a good thing, I do believe you can get some bad people listed, but unfortunately, a griefer can just sit here and do the same to legal law abiding people in GW and you can have them listed without the correct information. That is unless you are willing to sit down and ask every person before you blacklist them if they have been naughty or nice. But that seems like a lot of work.
This is just my personal opinion of you blacklist. It has a plus but it also has a negative. And anything that results in a negative should just be avoided.
I could sit here and photoshop a bunch of images for says Nitrix, Shinsei, Aniewiel and anyone else I want being griefors and supply them to you.
Then when said person tries to play and by some chance that group they are attempting to join have your blacklist open and you have them listed, the group will deny them, maybe go as far as telling everyone in the area that a blacklisted person is trying to get in a group and that everyone should stay away form them like the plague.
What you are attempting to create is a good thing, I do believe you can get some bad people listed, but unfortunately, a griefer can just sit here and do the same to legal law abiding people in GW and you can have them listed without the correct information. That is unless you are willing to sit down and ask every person before you blacklist them if they have been naughty or nice. But that seems like a lot of work.
This is just my personal opinion of you blacklist. It has a plus but it also has a negative. And anything that results in a negative should just be avoided.
TheGreatBoo
Uhh I'll message you in game sometime with my blacklisted players.
SOT
The potential for abuse on this is slapping you all in the face, and you know it.
PieXags
Isn't this against the whole "not supposed to post player names in the forums" thing? You're not supposed to say "Yeah this guy was a dick *name*" and what not, so far as I know.
Even though this isn't directly putting it in the forums, it's still there in an indirect way...right?
Even though this isn't directly putting it in the forums, it's still there in an indirect way...right?
ManadartheHealer
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The potential for abuse on this is slapping you all in the face, and you know it.
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Ultimate_Gaara
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Originally Posted by TheBlackList
A few guildies and I decided to put together a resource which could be used by party leaders when trying to form a group for a particularly important occasion. In this light, I have set out to put together and maintain a list which will keep track of known griefers and whatnot. For all of the information, visit the website:
www.freewebs.com/theblacklist Let me know how you feel about this, I'm not going to change anything in response to your opinions, but I would like to know what you think. Feel free to make submissions. |
Weezer_Blue
I thought the rules of this forum were "no naming names", etc. And yet, a thread made for the soul purpose of advertising a site that does nothing but naming names is allowed? I thought advertising your stupid sites in forums was against the rules too. Seriously, in the name of hypocrisy, delete this thread.
BezoomnyDroog
Sorry to say, this is the most retarded idea I've seen on these forums.
These 'blacklisted' players are placed on the list by your objection? Having no personal experience with the person? And only a slight descripton from someone else?
These 'blacklisted' players are placed on the list by your objection? Having no personal experience with the person? And only a slight descripton from someone else?
Vwoss
I have an idea.
I will code a PHP ran black list that will allow players submit names and rank griefers based on how horrible they are. I'll also give it a search feature.
I might have it done by tommorow, we'll see.
I will code a PHP ran black list that will allow players submit names and rank griefers based on how horrible they are. I'll also give it a search feature.
I might have it done by tommorow, we'll see.
Weezer_Blue
Awesome. I'm going to go into Lions Arch, district 1, and screenshot the All channel like crazy. Then I'm going to report everyone who spams a trade message in All as the worst possible kind of griefer. Then I will proceed to finding out all your in game names, and doing the same. Then I'll go to presear ascalon and black list every newbie I see before he even has to join missions, and then every time I go to the tombs and hear "damn koreans", I'll blacklist them and everyone I see on the screen, with no evidence to back it up.
Posting screenshots of scammers is good. It hard, conclusive evidence. Making a site that blacklists people without any evidence whatsoever is a bad idea. And anyone advertising a bad idea should be shot, not only for the advertising, but also for thinking it's a good enough idea to advertise.
Posting screenshots of scammers is good. It hard, conclusive evidence. Making a site that blacklists people without any evidence whatsoever is a bad idea. And anyone advertising a bad idea should be shot, not only for the advertising, but also for thinking it's a good enough idea to advertise.
Vwoss
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Awesome. I'm going to go into Lions Arch, district 1, and screenshot the All channel like crazy. Then I'm going to report everyone who spams a trade message in All as the worst possible kind of griefer. Then I will proceed to finding out all your in game names, and doing the same. Then I'll go to presear ascalon and black list every newbie I see before he even has to join missions, and then every time I go to the tombs and hear "damn koreans", I'll blacklist them and everyone I see on the screen, with no evidence to back it up.
Posting screenshots of scammers is good. It hard, conclusive evidence. Making a site that blacklists people without any evidence whatsoever is a bad idea. And anyone advertising a bad idea should be shot, not only for the advertising, but also for thinking it's a good enough idea to advertise. |
EmperorTippy
*submits 1,000 porn images under different screennames so that you can't just delete them all*
Kazahana
whats the point in naming names if i found that i had a universal bad rep i could make a new char and be back at lvl 20 in a day
Vwoss
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*submits 1,000 porn images under different screennames so that you can't just delete them all*
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EDIT: After I download them for myself first, of course...
Ashley Twig
I think the idea as such is not that bad.
But you should put in some kind of a voting function.
That way at least the evaluation of some characters flaws and failures won't be left to you alone, but to the voters.
It still can be abused, sure, but It would have a more objective ring to it.
The problem with the whole list is: Is anyone really going to check the list before inviting people?
It's hard enough to get a good group, as it is.
But you should put in some kind of a voting function.
That way at least the evaluation of some characters flaws and failures won't be left to you alone, but to the voters.
It still can be abused, sure, but It would have a more objective ring to it.
The problem with the whole list is: Is anyone really going to check the list before inviting people?
It's hard enough to get a good group, as it is.
PieXags
Out of respect for forum rules this thread should, and problably will be, locked and/or deleted. Naming names isn't allowed so far as I know, and this is nothing BUT naming names. And half of the list will problably be poorly justified anyway, seeing as how it's one guy's OPINION as to whether or not they're actually a dick. Hell in-game I act like a dick to anyone who deserves it, does that mean they could take a screenshot, send it in and make it look like I'm the bad guy? Yeah it does, the idea is pure nonsense as a whole.
Get rid of this, it's going to turn out to be nothing but a kick in the pants to many people falsely put on the "Black List", which should, in my opinion, be regarded as "The List of Randomly Gathered Names of GuildWars Players"
Anyone can send in altered screenshots (or bits of them) and say someone's an ass, hell some people live their life to be an asshole (I fit in that category...when the occasion calls for it), but does that mean just because I didn't like the way you acted, that I'm going to tell everyone I meet to piss off? No, not at all.
Yeah, lock this thread. Where's Aniewiel! She's great at locking stuff, I'm going to give her a trophy for her duties.
Get rid of this, it's going to turn out to be nothing but a kick in the pants to many people falsely put on the "Black List", which should, in my opinion, be regarded as "The List of Randomly Gathered Names of GuildWars Players"
Anyone can send in altered screenshots (or bits of them) and say someone's an ass, hell some people live their life to be an asshole (I fit in that category...when the occasion calls for it), but does that mean just because I didn't like the way you acted, that I'm going to tell everyone I meet to piss off? No, not at all.
Yeah, lock this thread. Where's Aniewiel! She's great at locking stuff, I'm going to give her a trophy for her duties.
Weezer_Blue
She's off trying to remember all the names of dickheads she's been in PUG's with so she can contribute to the list 
... just kidding...
... I hope...
... just kidding...
... I hope...
Syklone
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Get rid of this, it's going to turn out to be nothing but a kick in the pants to many people falsely put on the "Black List", which should, in my opinion, be regarded as "The List of Randomly Gathered Names of GuildWars Players"
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Oh well. As a great Aussie oncesaid "Such is life"
Weezer_Blue
In the words of Comic Book Guy:
"You're on my lisht. Get out!"
"You're on my lisht. Get out!"
Sagius Truthbarron
20$ says that this guy's friends will never make an appearance on this no matter what they do.
From the way he put it he seems to think he is that "Maddox".
From the way he put it he seems to think he is that "Maddox".
Thanas
Hmmm not too sure, this could be abused. Also there seems to be no appeal system in place and the list will be a very biased account of who is bad to play with.
Ashley Twig
I agree with you that this mentioned list is not the best idea, but...
The OP and you have something in common: you decide alone.
You decide to act like a dick to anyone who deserves it.
The OP decides to put up a dicklist with names he thinks they deserve it.
Is there such a big difference?
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Hell in-game I act like a dick to anyone who deserves it, does that mean they could take a screenshot, send it in and make it look like I'm the bad guy?
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You decide to act like a dick to anyone who deserves it.
The OP decides to put up a dicklist with names he thinks they deserve it.
Is there such a big difference?
Scaphism
I'm tempted to lock the thread because it very much goes against our policy of allowing blacklists on our boards.
However, it's obviously an issue that concerns a lot of people, and I think having a thread to discuss the pros and cons of such a list will be beneficial to the community here.
For now, I'm inclined to let the thread remain, as long as it remains on-topic and the blacklist itself doesn't find it's way onto our boards.
Again, in no way do we condone blacklisting at Guru, and this thread may be closed shorty, but for now, discuss, and hopefully get the arguments out of your collective systems.
However, it's obviously an issue that concerns a lot of people, and I think having a thread to discuss the pros and cons of such a list will be beneficial to the community here.
For now, I'm inclined to let the thread remain, as long as it remains on-topic and the blacklist itself doesn't find it's way onto our boards.
Again, in no way do we condone blacklisting at Guru, and this thread may be closed shorty, but for now, discuss, and hopefully get the arguments out of your collective systems.
mrpo
This sounds like a good idea in general, but it is all subjective and thats the problem.
Basically its a place for people to "tell tales", sort of like running to teacher first.
Just because someone doesnt do what you consider good etiquette, it doesnt necessarily mean they should be blacklisted for everyone, just you. Their perception of you maybe that you are tyrannical and a "n00b" etc.
Basically its a place for people to "tell tales", sort of like running to teacher first.
Just because someone doesnt do what you consider good etiquette, it doesnt necessarily mean they should be blacklisted for everyone, just you. Their perception of you maybe that you are tyrannical and a "n00b" etc.
Ashley Twig
Scaphism,
I might help if you just remove the link the to offending blacklist in the original posting.
The other posts appear to be ok. No name publishing there, or didn't I read them carfully enough?
I might help if you just remove the link the to offending blacklist in the original posting.
The other posts appear to be ok. No name publishing there, or didn't I read them carfully enough?
Maagus
I don´t like this idea. Every static proof (screenshot) even if it isn´t made up is still out of the context.
I provide an example. I was in Tombs with one group, we have very bad and slow target caller, so one monk decided to call (he managed to heal and call faster then the caller). Leader of the group said him to stop calling, monk answered, that the caller targeted very slowly. Then the leader told the monk that he was noob, because the caller is looking for targets (it wasn´t coincidence that he always re-call the monk target :-)
After a while i have got into the group where were some people that played with the "monk caller", they said : "dont invite him, he is noob". But in fact, he isnt.
So whats the point from that example ? Being called a noob or being on a blacklist is just subjective feeling of the person that want him there. We can see a screenshot of the monk calling targets but we won´t see what preceded.
Or maybe some more fitting example. I have been called a noob because i tanked with my ele. That could be the reason I could find myself on the blacklist, even with the authentic screenshot as proof. But was was the reason of it ? What preceded ? Noone will know. (The whole party was dead except me and a monk but nobody got that i wanted to sacrifice myself to draw all the monsters on me so the monk could escape and res the party later.)
You see ? Any situation looks different from the view of different people. Anyone can be reported to the blacklist because someone in his dullness doesnt get or doesnt want to get the reason of that particular behaviour.
That my opinion doesn´t deny that there are a lot of people in Guild Wars that are jerks but there are more of them (at least I hope
) that aren´t and they will probably found themselves on the blacklist not because of their behaviour but because of someone else´s fault.
Edit : Typo.
I provide an example. I was in Tombs with one group, we have very bad and slow target caller, so one monk decided to call (he managed to heal and call faster then the caller). Leader of the group said him to stop calling, monk answered, that the caller targeted very slowly. Then the leader told the monk that he was noob, because the caller is looking for targets (it wasn´t coincidence that he always re-call the monk target :-)
After a while i have got into the group where were some people that played with the "monk caller", they said : "dont invite him, he is noob". But in fact, he isnt.
So whats the point from that example ? Being called a noob or being on a blacklist is just subjective feeling of the person that want him there. We can see a screenshot of the monk calling targets but we won´t see what preceded.
Or maybe some more fitting example. I have been called a noob because i tanked with my ele. That could be the reason I could find myself on the blacklist, even with the authentic screenshot as proof. But was was the reason of it ? What preceded ? Noone will know. (The whole party was dead except me and a monk but nobody got that i wanted to sacrifice myself to draw all the monsters on me so the monk could escape and res the party later.)
You see ? Any situation looks different from the view of different people. Anyone can be reported to the blacklist because someone in his dullness doesnt get or doesnt want to get the reason of that particular behaviour.
That my opinion doesn´t deny that there are a lot of people in Guild Wars that are jerks but there are more of them (at least I hope
Edit : Typo.
Lorelei
I am trying to put my own names on the blacklist. I don't want to play with anyone who maintain or read a blacklist.
Perhaps we should maintain a list of great people to play with. The list is probably not long
Perhaps we should maintain a list of great people to play with. The list is probably not long
Aniewiel
As Scaphism said, this thread is treading on thin ice. I know that scammers, griefers and "leavers" are a huge concern to everyone who plays Guildwars. However, a list like this doesn't solve the problem. Of the thousands of people who play this game, what's the likelihood that you will run into anyone on that list? More importantly, it is much too easy to abuse.
I will take the link out. If anyone wants to know where this list lives, please PM the original poster.
In the meantime, continue to discuss the benefits/drawbacks to such a list.
I will take the link out. If anyone wants to know where this list lives, please PM the original poster.
In the meantime, continue to discuss the benefits/drawbacks to such a list.
Darriths Novastar
Quote: (Lorelei) "I am trying to put my own names on the blacklist. I don't want to play with anyone who maintain or read a blacklist.
Perhaps we should maintain a list of great people to play with. The list is probably not long "
I agree this would make it a reward to behave properly instead of punish those who don't or jsut got the wrong end of the stick
Perhaps we should maintain a list of great people to play with. The list is probably not long "
I agree this would make it a reward to behave properly instead of punish those who don't or jsut got the wrong end of the stick
Ashley Twig
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After a while i have got into the group where were some people that played with the "monk caller", they said : "dont invite him, he is noob". But in fact, he isnt.
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If the teamleader decides on a caller, no matter how wrong is decision might be, the rest of the team should stick with this decision or question and discuss it at the appropriate moment.
I don't really like want-to-be callers who think they should take matters in their own hand.
Every caller makes mistakes or can be slow at times, but if you have a caller: stick to the targets s/he calls. Anything else will only confuse the other people on the team.
Maagus
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The way your side of the story reads, it looks like you or the monk never brought the issue of calling up, to discuss it on your team.
If the teamleader decides on a caller, no matter how wrong is decision might be, the rest of the team should stick with this decision or question and discuss it at the appropriate moment. I don't really like want-to-be callers who think they should take matters in their own hand. Every caller makes mistakes or can be slow at times, but if you have a caller: stick to the targets s/he calls. Anything else will only confuse the other people on the team. |
TheGreatBoo
The idea overall is not a bad idea. It needs to be chagned though. First off all, there needs to be several screenshots and a rating system in place. Second of all it shouldn't go by the word of only one person. Also, there needs to be a limit to the number of players you can blacklist. Either limit it to 1 per day, or 2 or something. Also, people need to decifer the most accurate rating for the blacklisted player. You shouldn't just make it a 5 out of 5 because they were simply spamming res. Finally, without a search feature, the entire process would be a waste.