I sabotaged a mission

it felt bad... but it was still kind of cool...

We were doing... I think it was Ruins of Surmia... I could be wrong. I partied with one other who was in it only for the bonus and I advertised specifically that I wanted the bonus and the mission. I was also on my first mission with a newly recruited guildmate. This was the bonus where you have to follow the flame carriers to the corridor and kill them, it ends with the finding of the Horn and the crazy warp to Nolani academy.

We, by the team leaders run, not spoken direction, ran ahead of the flame carriers instead of following them. I suspected that he was leading us to the locked gate where we would just wait for them to arrive instead of following them slowly. We instead ran along to where the mission takes us normally. I kept shouting out that I am in this for the bonus which I made clear before entering the mission but I got no reply besides "come"... I trusted apprehensively.

We arrived at the crazy drunken slanted temple where three mages control obelisks and I realized, this guy is going to finish the mission without doing the bonus. No. So instead of helping them defend I ran out of the temple and aggroed several mobs and drew them in to the mages. I continued running around till the party was dead with only me remaining.

I then climbed up onto one of the obelisks and sat down. I sat there (looking quite peaceful, this is the cool part) while the Charr tore me apart. While getting killed someone shouted out "res" I replied simply with "I'm in this for the bonus, I made it clear from the start"

The reply to this (from the team leader) was "**** YOU! YOU DON'T LISTEN!!!" to which I replied "who doesn't listen? I've told you repeatedly that I wanted to do the bonus and you've said nothing on it. In fact, listen to what? You've said nothing except for "come" since the mission started."

I died, went back to the outpost and left the group to start a new party. One of the members in the same guild who was also in the failed party joined us and (as I suspected) dropped about halfway. It was probably an attempt at revenge, but it's easy enough with 3 people anyway.

I realized later that there was a significant chunk after the slanted temple, and that he probably intended to go back after this initial fight, but communication is important. He could have.... should have at least let us know the basics of his plan. Or said anything besides "come."

I felt bad... I'm not the kind of person who enjoys griefing or sabotaging. And I don't get off on revenge of this sort. However, the method in which I died, kneeling submissively below an obelisk taking the damage as it came to me, was pretty cool.

LOL! Just revenge for a moron. I don't have that sort of temerity. I would have just dropped and probably accomplished the same goal.

I prefer dancing towards inevitable death. But the most fun is when I'm a smiter, and I repeatedly tell my part as such, and when we enter the mission after I've spammed the message, they start asking me why the hell I'm not healing. If I can, I solo whatever mob killed them. Otherwise, I calmly explain that I told them I was a smiter several hundred times, and then /bowhead or /dance over their bodies.

Unfortunately I don't have screens (at pc cafe, not at home), but I seriously wish I had a video of me sacrificing myself while sitting on the altar (I'm necro fem, so my /sit emote is a cool kneeling pose)

Both sides of this story pretty much sums up why I hate pick up groups.

haha... same here. I'll go with henchmen any day.

I hear ya there. I get that more and more. Smitting is fun. You can still heal. In fact I am equal in smitting, healing, divine favor for now. People think that the only reason to be a Monk is to heal them. I plan on becoming more of a protector later on. For now, many times it is my Fire Storm and Meteor that has saved them from total disaster. People will call me a n00b while they charge into a fight before checking with or listening to the casters to see what thier energy levels are. My guild mate is a Mo/R and is more into healing. I am a Mo/ele and like I said I will probably become a protector. That in mind when both of us do missions/quests together w/Teamspeak we are a good double punch.

A buddy and myself were in a pick up group in Lornar's Pass the other day. He had resurrect ability, and I had my res signet equipped. I specifically told the brainless members of our entourage that if they died for some reason (the most common being they run ahead trying to be Rambo and have their anal cavaties infused, heh, with Avicara Fierce blades) that I would raise them, or the monk would.

Naturally, it became an exercise in tedium, as the w/n we had along for the run decided to aggro 8 lvl 24 ice golems ALONE. She ate it and then kept typign in all caps about the utter futility of it all, and how we are so lame. I intentionally wasted my rez then, and tricked her into walking RIGHT where a frost worm pops up. I turned on my knockdown prevention skill, then used sprint and hauled ass, leaving her to die again, albeit humiliatingly.

The other captain of the brainlessness decided to open his inventory bags (according to his own words) and attempted to use DYE on an Avicara Fierce! What the name of Balthazar? Of course he was made into man-stew.

The OTHER one, well, he tried to run back into Beacon's perch, which would force us to start anew, so I sprinted past him, trailing several DOZEn mobs and, as he died, told him to sit down and reflect on his crime.

Needless to say, my buddy and I made it through, and being as I had never made it past that part, I was rather satisfied. The cursing and screaming from those who bit the "snowdust" however, got grating after 20 minutes, and my ignore list claimed another soul...

Moral? I broke down, tried a PRICK-UP group, and payed with small doses of my own sanity. Bots are the best way for me...

At least you can get picked up at pickup groups. I have trouble finding a group when my guildmates aren't on, especially for the ascension missions. No one wants to take along my W/Me 17 because my level is too low. Hate to say it bub, but my 17 is just as good if not better than a 20 if I know the mission inside out and can play with skill.

I still haven't even clapped eyes on either the Underworld or the Fissure because NO ONE will take my Me/Mo. I've tried for days now and no go.

I would say 'experienced' player but I can't get the experience there since no one will take poor Kal.

The easiest time I ever had in the Ascension missions was when I specifically built a party out of people level 18 or lower. One monk was a level 14, but most people were 16 or 17. These were people that had gotten to the desert on skill, but once they arrived no one wanted them, so it was easy to get them to join my groups. It took us about two and a half hours to do the entire set of Ascension missions, including running from place to place and goofing off.

And all those level 20s going "LFG: NO NOOBS PLZ, I WANT TO FINALLY BEAT THIS MISSION THAT'S KILLED ME 22 TIMES!!1!"

Umm.... here's a cookie?

Congratulations DrSLUGFly, you're a griefer. You could've left the mission the moment he ran for the mission end instead of the bonus part, but instead you continued on for a long while - you don't just pop up in the part where you defend the ruins. Guild Wars doesn't need players deciding when it's okay to grief, because it's obvious players aren't mature enough to make that call.

I can't understand why some of you applaud this kind of immature behaviour. Both sides were wrong, but one appeared to just be clueless, the OP's side was wilfully griefing. 'Well done'? Grow up.

I disagree, Silmor, on the part of the other player. He was not being clueless at all. Oh, right...maybe he just can't read! That's it! That's why he intentionally and deliberately ignored Slug's statements about wanting to do the bonus. *nods*

Please. Doc's not a griefer. Think of it as an object lesson. Maybe the guy will better determine his group's objectives before setting out on his -own- agenda next time.

once upon a time in beacons perch a DF rusher aka scammer numero uno whas trying to get some costumers and i joined in for fun after that i asked him the price dum dum dum 3k here 3k there i said go away much to expensive he kicked me and after that he started to say i whas a scammer hmmmm strange had fun though

maybe a bit oftopic

Aniewiel, it's regrettable that you haven't wisened up beyond "teaching other players a lesson". There is no excuse for griefing, period. Endorsing any kind of griefing is endorsing all griefing. This is not how fellow players should treat eachother, regardless of circumstances.

Cause he was so proud of what he done.

I'll congratulate him anyway. I'm sick of the people that waste your time on this game. Seriously. It can be brushed off the first few times while playing the game, it keeps happening, over and over. It's bloody annoying and absolutely frustrating (even worse when you get so far and your connection dies, taking out you and your girlfriend, the team's ranger and monk out of the picture. That's another story though >.<). Some of these assholes deserve to get their own medicine. DrSlug's time was wasted as the leader dragged the team to do only the mission, when he advertised to do the bonus only, so it's only fair that the leader got what they had coming.

You could say it wasn't, but if the leader didn't want to do the bonus, he didn't have to get the dude on his team.

Our guys are down there, either UW or FoW, a number of times a day, in all sorts of combos and group sizes, from 1-8. You're more than welcome to come with us whenever the mood strikes you, just pm in game (or here)

ign: Sleazehs Lost Faith

As the owner of a mes, I feel your pain even though I rarely if ever PUG.

And to bring this back around on topic, since I rarely PUG, thankfully my horror stories are few and far between.

Agreed. There's no justification for griefing, it is something that shouldn't be condoned on any level.

I don't necessarily endorse what Slug did but I understand it. As I said in my original response, I would have dropped with warning. But that's just me. Does that make me a griefer too?

Isn't this just as bad? In a party of four, you've just reduced it by 25% and, in that particular mission, probably just doomed the party. I would argue that it sends the same 'message' as what Slug did.

*shrugs* What he did isn't my style but I certainly can't blame him for doing it.

Way to be a complete hypocrite. The right thing to do would have been to just leave the group and do the mission and bonus with someone else, or with henchmen. Not be an asshole and waste 4 other people's time.

Well for one, four other people's time? WTH?

And two, refer to above posts.

If you are in a 4 man team it'd be 3 other people, but I otherwise agree with what you say.

No, the difference is between passive and active 'protest' against the leader ignoring your wishes. You leave the mission either way, but if you go through the trouble of making sure he won't finish the mission, you're being a complete ass about it, which makes you worse than the leader who disregarded your wishes. There is no justification for it.

Also, 'good job' is endorsing. You weren't just condoning it, weren't just 'not blaming him for doing it', you were cheering him on, along with a couple of others, that's what I reacted against.

The reason why I endorse it is because I understand it. It's frustrating being in such a position. Yes I agree, doing so is being an ass about it, but the person also probably deserved it. There are no penalties, no bannings for such a leader of the 'team' Dr Slug was in and people would expect him to just turn around and accept the kick in the ass.

As a leader of many teams with my ranger, I try to make it very clear what we are going to to do repeatedly to everyone in the party and wont leave for the mission until I hear everyone in the party chirp up and state they're ready. People shouldn't just turn around and accept the slap in the face from a greifer or idiot then leave.

I spent about 20 minutes yesterday listening to peolpe at Frost Gate berate me for not being a healer "you're a monk you're supposed to heal you ****ing noob" and "monks doing damage? that's rich you p***Y a** noob"....when I finally got a group that wanted to see how much dmg a Mo/Ele could do...they were quite surprised to see that if I had wanted to I could have solo'd the mission....Being a Non-Healing Monk is tough these days

Ooops! Guess I forgot how many people can be in one group in the lowbie ascalon missions. I guess that happens after not doing them for over a month.

Perfectly said. Thank you.

Try not to get too emotional over a video game. I know it can feel bad, because you're hurting a real person on the other end, but what it comes down for both of you is that you're just playing a game, nothing more, just some pretty colored pixels on a screen arranged in polygonal fashion. That's all it is, a big fantasy coloring book with three-headed monsters, dragons, and vampires. I'm not saying its okay to scam people, be courteous to people, and if they aren't courteous back, you're best just walking away. You have no reputation to defend on the internet. I love my ignore list. ^_^

There is nothing after the Temple (slanted part) except cutscene and end of mission....then *poof* you're in Nolani.

You did the right thing IMO, the guy was being selfcentered and not a good party leader.

My similar experience was yesterday in Temple of the Ages: I advertised "Experienced E/Mes, looking for good group to head to UW". I get invited to a near full group that fills up right after I join and swoosh, we're off!! I'm taking a drink and getting comfy for a nice long adventure but when I look up I see SHADOW MONKS, SHADOW WARRIORS, SHADOW BEASTS and yes RASTIGAN (sp?).........we're in the Fissure of Woe. Normally I'd have no problem with this cept I'm on my Air Ele and prefer my Fire when in FOW.
Turns out several people in the group were expecting the same thing as I was because they too had advertized *LFG-UW*.
4 People dropped immediately including myself, back to TOA and again advertised that I was wanting to find a group for UW. I get an invite and join, several party members are talking and one clarifies if this is for FOW or UW - the leader stated FoW. I stated I that I specifically was looking for UW, but before I can hit "enter" we're down in FoW and I apologized to e1 before mapping back to TOA.
My game, my instance, I will play when/where I want to play. If I make it easily clear that "I'm lfg to go to UW"....don't invite me if you're going to FoW. Same to be said for people "lfg - mission + bonus", if you're only there to do mission then don't invite the person who's wanting to do both.

'Deserved it'. Thanks for being judge, jury and executioner. Most griefers are entirely convinced the others 'deserved it', even for reasons as silly as "they're noobs". Stop boasting kindergarten logic please.

Why not? It's the fastest and most respectful way to accomplish what they were originally trying to do. 'Teaching lessons' is petty revenge. You're not teaching anyone anything, you're sinking down to their level, and waste perfectly good time doing so.

Personally, I say just gather up all of you bot users on a teamspeak or something, and let you all go together since right there, you will end up with a group that can beat the game so much easier then someone who says "come" every few minutes.

"It's the fastest and most respectful way to accomplish what they were originally trying to do."

Which is why I'm against doing so.

I had a similar story... told someone I wanted to kill that ranger Charr in pre that comes out in the Trouble in the Woods mission.

Tell the person wait to talk to Devona until I am set... they say ok.

I watch them run up to Devona and talk... notice the red dots warp in....

I say - did you talk to Devona?

They say yes,...

I say I asked you not to...

They say you don't tell me to do anything, boy.

I say... well, good luck. hit M and go back in to the Abbey.

They message me that I am a #!@#!@ and a !@@$#@!#! and tell me they have stolen my CD-Key and will post it so that it is banned.

Did he have Rurik with him then?

If he did then he would have completed the mission... if he did not he was doing some pre-clearing and could have gone through the rest of the mission including the bonus.

That is one of my favorite missions - I kill all the charr before I get Rurik - then tell him he is afraid of corpses.

Kinda fun.

I had one person tell me that I was going to f-up the mission doing this... he told me that he was going to sabotage the mission... I laughed... watched him try to drag the charr back to us... we ran out of his way watched him die and then completed the mission while he watched.

umm this story just doesn't add up.

In this mission you get to the point that rurrik and that mage want you to ope nte bridge.
Then while passing the river that runs under the bridge you get to speak to the *bonus* npc.
Now you din't specify if people spoke to her/him or not, so i won't talk about that.
But you did say that the party went straight for the gates of the bonus mission in front of the char fire carriers.
And then went trough to the mission.

Well ummm, if they went trough with the mission they would walk on past the bonus npc, put down the bridge with the handle, let rurik and the mage over and follow them to the end zone where you battle char. (or if your a aggro basterd like me, go down to the field with char and commit a mascare)

if you would go for the bonus however you would have to go the other way, back up the path to the back, to the other char camp.

so i find your story lacking of details.
I'm not saying that it isn't true, i'm just saying that what you say doesn't add up.

I have found that the ONLY way to beat the mission is to kill all the charr before letting the mages out and going into the slanted area. LOL! Like you, Cymboric, it's amusing to hear Rurik talk about how he doesn't want to take on that group.

It's easier to take them out when they're on the plain, so to speak, then try to get my eyes to adjust to that horribly slanted room and running back and forth.

And remove the challenge? Wimp I've done that mission five times now, and three of them was with only one other person my level (whatever level you should be for that mission). All of those times I brought the mages to their posts and waited for the charr to attack. It's not that hard.

*snivels* I am a wimp.

Oh well, I figure whatever works, works. I've actually beaten it the "right" way but I find it easier to beat it the....wimpy...way.

A good way to get into a group is to team up with a guildie/friend monk, and join a group together ... everybody wants the monks and they'll take the mesmer or 2 mesmers too if the monk is only coming as part of the set Worked for me (monk) and my mesmer buddies.

Since I play on Europe I've only been to UW/Fissure for one blissful night though, when miraculously we had favor for several hours. haven't seen Europe have favor since