World of Warcraft > Guild Wars?

Those complaints aren't really valid any longer. Most of the end-game issues were about 2 to 3 months ago, when battlegrounds and the honor system had yet to exist. Now that they are rolling out updates at a more constant pace, those complaints just aren't true. A whole new level of fun was added to Pking with the honor system, new raids and quests have been added, and the battlegrounds have been added. Not to mention all the new trinkets/weapons/armor that have been added. If anyone can complain about all that, they certaintly haven't played Guild Wars.

Guild Wars on the other hand has only released a handful of quests (all mid-level), and the faction system, which no way compares to the Honor system.

I understand that it is a free game, but I think many of us expected more...and maybe it is still coming, I know WoW had trouble getting out expanded content when it first came out.

I'm sorry, what? Great patches? For your information, what Blizzard is releasing is what was supposed to be in the game at launch in the first place.

Eve Online > WoW

if you are going to compare GW to a MMORPG, you could at least do it to a decent one...not the kiddie fest MMORPG-lite that WoW is. Not that comparing GW to MMORPGs makes any sense whatsoever, as the majority of posts boil down to 'instancing sucks in GW' and 'WoW is too expensive'. Persistant worlds are pointless* without open PvP.

*well, not pointless, but incredibly lame. And of course, ideally for open PvP you wouldn't have a level based system at all.

As far as a maiden voyage for A-net, GW is a good game. It has replayability issues in the PvE environment. I am not blown away by the game, but respect it for what it is. I agree with Ensign that the ultimate design of the game is for balanced competetive PvP.

A-net designed an online game to attempt to correct all that was/is wrong with blizzard. GW is free to attract potential customers. Their new technology allows fore streaming seamless patches. No more waiting 9 months for a patch that fixes some problems yet creates others.

As far as your money's worth, you all received it with one round of PvE. You are being enticed by A-net's prompt response to community requests, in game fixes on a timely basis and a promise of grind-free experience.

Your paid for A-net's customer support with hopefully a promise of continued service in their subsequent online games, which will most assuredly be pay-to-play.

Eve is truley the best MMO imho. If I had a computer and income that could support it I would play that game in a heart beat. Its only detractions is it isn't widly know and thus the player population is rather small(when I played the trial version I don't belive I ever saw more then 10K online at any single time) and theres no real warfare between the races.

Honestly, I don't like jumping on these threads most of the time, but since there has been some highly intellectual, (and really awesome) posts, I figured I'd post a little.

Having played WoW from day 1 of relase, till about 2 months ago, at first it was really fun, the low-mid level game is designed really well, and you don't see the glaring problems with the game till 50ish...

in WoW "The Grind" leveling isn't so bad, the real grind is weapons and armor, you won't be experiancing any fair pvp action before level (I think 30 with the new battlegrounds) where you'll be waiting in Queue , or you can take part in the Gank-the-horde town raids or the "random level 60 eats while you fight a spider" -- , or the ever popular, lets duel so the rogue will beat me. (unless you a specific build of warrior or hunter then you decimate the rogue)

Wow's PvE game is amazing, its a one of the most in detailed worlds I've ever seen (the only one that truely beats it is Asheron's Call, if you've never played it, it was the first MMoRPG where you never actually "zoned" and you could explore EVERYTHING)

the problem is that when you reach a certain level, your only real amusement is running the same instance 30+ times to get a piece of your super armor thats really worse then what was introduced last patch, only to have someone who can't equip it roll on it, blah blah-- anyway...

or PvP ... I quit right after the "honor" system was installed, something that was suposed to be released with retail, it was late, really late... and it was flawed, badly...
It did not reward people on fair and even scales, it rewarded upon damage, something only rogues and mages really excelled at, and it was abused by those 2 classes that could deliever damage the fastest possible to an unprepaired target (IE one fighting someone already) some honor.

But the main reason I left WoW is blizzards utterly terrible customer service, its the worst,

They left bugs in the game for months, they ignored all customer complaints and suggestions, untill they hit the cancel subscription button,(then they suddenly had an interest in what you had to say) they left things broken, broke new things, delievered patches late, and had days of downtime.

Check these boards, you'll see Anet has reps that read the boards, respond to suggestions, and help in any way possible, and this board isn't even RUN by Anet.

Also several suggestions made of these very boards have actually been implimented in the game in a matter of weeks, not months.

And those of you complaining about Guild Wars PvE content, I will acknoweldge its a little light, but pvp wise its the most well thought out and best developed system.

Excuse me?

Are you saying there is something for people to do after they done all quests and completed the game besides farming grind?

aye, not only that.. But Da Outlaw.. thats 2-3 months ago?.. lol

trinkets that basically made caster classes 4 second speed bumps vs a melee.

mages/rogues basically dominating the honor system due to crappy design.

Lag infested area's.. try zoning into 100+ people fighting in tarren mill

lvl 60's camping lower levels.. fun fun ..

Im all for pvp (and have been in online games for probably 15 years) but thats not what WoW is.. WoW is just a gank/stunlock rogue fest.

WoW is basically the worst so called PvP game I know of.

#1 was NeverWinter Nights on AoL many years ago.. no, not the new NWN game.. but the old SSI gold box version of the game. There was much strategy in that game with knowing monster manipulation and how to be where you needed to be ( was turn based ) You could make your character and max level/dual class within a few hours, but had a steep learning curve when it came to PvP. Just as an indication of the curve, I had gotten a grad buddy to play ( graduated in 88 ) and after about 3 months of playing and PvP.. he thought he was pretty much tough and decided he wanted to take me on.. We started the fight, and it was over in about 3 min without me so much as casting a single damage spell against him.
The game had a DM ( death match ) chamber where if you challenged someone and lost.. your character was teleported to a jail cell basically with no exit.
That game had a strong PvP emphasis, played it for years.. strong guilds that made many lifelong friends. Not these flyby night guildmates these days. PvP ladders.. Quad PvP ladders/teams.. Roleplay events, PvP events.. basically the best community interactive game there ever was, with full guild messageboards and stuff. You could get advanced items through roleplay and events.. Like for instance a cloak of elven kind that made you invisable most of the time in PvP making it much tougher on an opponent.
Ok, i'll stop going on about that game, but basically the best PvP game there ever was/or will be.. to bad most of the people around here are to young to have played it.. you all missed out.

#2 UO before all the goofy crap.. the new worlds and the harsh death penalties against the Dreadlords. Now that was a fun game aswell.. basically the best trade system to date I believe.. the ability to own things ingame.. good stuff there.. to bad they ruined it.

#3 GW prolly here just for kicks.. some strategy, but not really strategy.. sure you can take only 8 skills into battle, but each class basically takes the same 8.. and NR basically cuts 70% of the builds and throws them out the window.. so that stinks

4-infinity WoW, SB, DAoC and all them other games

I think GuildWars struck gold in the MMOG community when they made no monthly fees. Even though the game was intended for PvP, they got a lot more PvE players (perhaps even more than PvP) than expected. Sure you can keep saying "This game was designed for PvP, if you don't like it leave", but that is certainly not a wise decision for ANet. I hope they will figure out some way to adapt the game so it's more suitable and longer for the PvE people, because there is a huge market there.

They will have to as basically the PvP RP market is no where near as big as the PvE, for PvP the majority would actually prefer the instant action of BF or Unreal.
Traditional MMORPG games which have PvP, for certain PvP is not the main part of the game, more of an added extra. GW has done this the opposite way.
The premise of what they have done so far for PvE is cool, and they have also developed the tech to make it as least costly to run servers as possible,
they will be unable to make the game like traditional MMORPG's as it is simply not designed for it. The can add more PvE content though.
Lets just hope that in their ambition to be a leader of the pack, they don't end up like so many other revolutionary ideas, alittle too far ahead of there time with the public just not that interested.
An example would be Beta Max video, in many ways far superior to standard VHS, the cost not that much of a difference in the scheme of things, but a flop neither the less.
The gameboy and the gamegear. The gamegear, release whilest the gameboy was at its peak, costs, similar, but far superior to the gameboy. Failed, as people didn't like to change form what they knew.
In the MMORPG stakes GW has a rep for shoddy parties, and stressful gaming.
Yet its people from this market it needs to win over.
The large share of the market is not in PvP, but in RP related PvE with PvP as a secondary factor.
In WoW players will spend 90% of their time either in Tradeskills or PvE.

This all makes me want to go play Star Wars Galaxies again!

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Do I like swinging my hammer in the air and hitting mobs/human players which are 20 feet behind me? No.

Do I like horrible collision detection? No.

Do I like blocky graphics and lack of antialiasing? No.

Do I like playing in PvP orgies which become lagfests with no skill involved? No.

Do I like 16 yrs old kiddies with too much time to waste that brag about their Uber equipment and kill low-lvl players in the early areas of the game? No.

Do I like to forget my real life to become decent in a game which is based on grind and farming? No.

These are only *few* reasons not to play World of Blockcraft/World of No Friends/World of Grindcraft, or however you want to call it. Actually I find these names more appropriate then "warcraft".

Yes, it's a matter of tastes.
No, I'm not a flamebait.
Yes, that's just my humble opinion.

Cheers.

I think you're repeatedly missing the point. The emphasis of GW is PvP. If you're not willing to try it and eventually get into a guild doing it, there is no endgame for you, and you're missing out on what the game is really all about. The PvE starts out nicely in pre-sear but just degenerates from there until by the end you're just ready to get it over with. The storyline is very convuluted and I stopped caring somewhere in Kryta.

Basically the only way reasonable they could emphasize more on pve would be.

You would HAVE to use a PVP character to pvp ( all types ) with no new items ( besides ones they could input from faction ) from the PVE side allowed in.. no access to weapons eq in storage.

That would allow them to create PVE out the behind.. challenge everyone and still keep the PVP balances in check..
Once you start putting energies into new items/spells on PVE side, that makes it a nightmare to keep things balanced on the PVP side.. this would eliminate all that.

The video was alright for the first 2minutes, after that it got extremely long and boring. I dont think i even chuckled once. However its a reminder that gw needs some more videos out and about... besides farming videos. Hopefully i'll be making that step soon, as i did in swg as shown here. akira.roninelite.com/endgame.zip

I'd post something for the maturity of WoW...But..Its high on the NSFW meter. with severe cursing.

In short, if you are not into PvP you pretty much RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed.

And I am not so ...

so you blame Guild Wars because you were dumb enough to pay an extra 40 bucks for glowing emotes? I don't see how it's their fault that you're stupid....

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SW: Galaxies is an epitome to the worst programming EVER.

Not tried SW, playing EQ2 and have no issues with lag, loading etc. With EQ2 people who have said issues have either a poor connection, or have set the graphics settings too high for their humble PC.

Still log onto GW for the occational game with friends, but it no longer holds a addiction factor for me.

I agree. Also much like City of Heros, I think they tried to offer a MMO(rpg-ish) that tries to take everything that people hate about MMOs out (the grind). In my opinion, it is 'the grind' that makes a MMORPG part of the fun.

I've found GW a fun game, but it simply has no depth, and nothing really to look forward too, no crafting, ect. On top of that in the short time the game has been out people have found ways (exploit) to go through the game even quicker. What's even funnier is that game boast non-grind people are complaining it is.

WoW is another MMORPG that has tried to take some of the sting out of the grind, but atleast there are goals and things to look forward to. There are so many things to do. You have crafting, ect. Everyone says people are immature, but I have seen more immature people on GW. While somewhat casual, WoW is a good fit. And the few PvP encounters I've been in , it's been a rush.


I'm not hating GW, actually I'm playing both. But if GW wasn't free I definately wouldn't play it. It's more of a single player game as far as PvE is concerned, IMO. I want a game that's going to last awhile.

It appears I was wrong. Some people do want to pay $230 to play one game for one year.

Well, I'll be sure to check WoW out the day it's got a public demo, like I did EQ2. With so many people loving it that much, perhaps it is so good under that ugly graphic that I can get in to it.

The difference is.....

$50 regular game with 30 hours of gameplay. = you play it 30 hours and stop.

$50 Guild Wars = You play for 30 hours then everything ceases to matter. You continue to play, pointlessly, for another 470 hours till you finally realize you've accomplished nothing RELEVENT in the previous 470 hours and you start wishing you had been "grinding" your gnome rogue on World of Warcraft instead.



And to the Idiot Savant guy who stated Guild Wars is a "competetive game"...

HAHA, You're funny.

The only thing competetive in GW is Lions Arch district 1 seeing who can sell their 187346th identical 15-22 ^15% sword for the most in trade.

Exploiting bugged skills, Lord ganking, cheap tactics, FOTM, rock-paper-scissors etc is the farthest thing from "competetive" you can get.

This game has big time fundamental and content issues and the live team is not big enough due to the "free play" status to crank out fixes/reballances and new stuff in between exansions like games with a constant stream of income.

And joy, can't wait for the new expansion. Will I get to run through another 20 missions this time ALL of them at level 20 with 480hp and a 15-22 sword fighting copious level 24-28mobs that drop nothing but the same old same old like I have been doing since Crystal Desert?? And quests? For what? More pointless exp or a "different looking" collectors item with "maxed stats"?

Actually the amount varies with the amount of time you buy... not sure you figured that in or not. But yea people are, but seeing as how most people have went through GW several times already and it's been out how long?

I can debate over graphic styles, lack of openess, and gameplay all day, but in the end it's a matter of personal taste.

It's cool I can understand why people would prefer GW over a WoW or anyother MMORPG. It's easy and fast, people want instant gratification.

You mean, you can't gain another level, there isn't a bigger sword, your carrot is gone, and you no longer see the point.

Congratulations, you're World of Warcraft's target audience.

Grind isn't fun. Killing the same mobs over and over is tediously boring. But people continue to do so for the same reason people play slot machines - in hopes of scoring the carrot. World of Warcraft has literally *months* of slot-machine carrot chasing.

Think about it. You spend a weekend leveling from 45 to 46, or whatever. You also 'upgrade' your equipment from level 45 to level 46 equipment. You can now take on level 46 mobs instead of 45 mobs, which have level 46 hit points and equipment.

Or, in short, your gameplay experience *has not changed in the slightest*. But the numbers got bigger so you've 'accomplished' something. I guess it doesn't matter if the game is tediously boring as long as you can make the numbers bigger, right?


I still wonder if it's actually worthwhile to respond to someone who doesn't like Guild Wars because he can't grind for hours every day, let alone whether or not I should pay attention to his opinion on PvP at all.

Because, you know, it isn't like he's actually ever *played* a competitive PvP match. Why would he? You can't level up.

Suffice to say that I've met numerous competitive Starcraft players, old M:tG players, and generally brilliant competitive gamers who believe that this game has, at the very least, the foundation to rival those as deeply strategic and tactical games. You mean people are 'Zerg Rushing' in PvP? Guess Starcraft isn't a competitive game. People are copying what the most successful teams are doing? Guess Magic is about as far from competitive as you can get. Rock-Paper-Scissors style counters? Oh nose, that's just the basis of *every* competitive game.

Good Game, Nubsauce.

Peace,
-CxE

Hell beats GW "after you lv20 the game ends" ... serious, after the desert the game became "mobs of things higher level that we are" that in a full party (since the game is not build for solo the area) most of the time drop crap if they drop anything.

And the carrot is gone for PvE, I am bloddy tired of you PvP go around talking about something you obvious dont care.

Tell me, if this game did not had PvP at all would be playing it?

The whole point of this thread was for everyone to go see this video

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/nudewow.html

not for there to be 3 pages of " WoW is better then GW and I don't care what you think "

so can we all sit down, watch the movie, and stop comparing

Well know I know you won't be getting to far in PvP. Way to demonstrate your lack of creativity for any strategy. The reason why you think it's rock paper scissors is because you probably run either Smite, Spike or Spirit never willing to actually develop your own strategy. Go look at any of the build boards and tell me how much Roshambo you can see.

Hit the nail right on the head. Finally someone puts it in terms that makes it easy to understand.

Look you all need to shut up, Guildwars is better and will be better by the time its been out as long as WoW personaly you couldnt get me to play WoW if it was free online. The graphics look too much like a bad cartoon to me and plus its like being in Felucia in Ultima except you dont have a choice of going back to a world where you dont get ganked. This in it self pisses me off that you all compare them, Guildwars did something that no other company wanted to do becasue it wasnt afraid to lose a little money. The people in guildwars look like people, the people in WoW looking freaking weird to me. Its growing on me but you could never get me to play wow i will not waste 180 dollars a year on a game. I wasted 100 playing ultima only to get bored with it and WoW seems no different to me.

Go play ragnarok online if you want something to look forward to. When you hit level 99 (which will take years+ of grinding) you can feel like you've done something. Seriously, i've played WoW, and i've played GW, and if you have a large group of friends in both, GW is better. PvP is never stale, always fast paced, whereas in WoW if you were a caster, you'd be dead in 2 hits from a rogue, unless you were a shaman, because shamans kill everything.

Huge design issues, boring grinds, timesinks ala EQ to keep you playing a long time in order for you to pay more.. The game is BORING.

revert yourself to page 1, PLEASE

wow > gw
but only because of the macarena...imagine a bunch of people doing /macarena *

other than that gw is way better

thank you for watching the video!

Oh please. Shut the **** up. You're aren't better then anyone else. You're an idiot who has bought into this BORK game, even spent immense time flaming this same BORK game with other "pseude-elitists" from alpha or beta or whatever you use to rationalise superiority. Now you're going to defend the game tooth and nail and turn on someone when someone OTHER THAN YOU starts attacking it.

Btw, I don't "pvp" anymore. Much like many of you "supposedly" claim. I was in a top 70 guild that used to GvG, not anymore. That guild is dead. Now I am in a guild of friends from outside this game and no longer guild HoH or GvG. I have gotten several non-blind invites from advancing guilds asking for my services after a few PUGs in HoH and freelancing occasionally filling in for some other guild HoH groups who were missing a member or 2.

Then again you knew that didn't you, "nubsauce"?

Keep your self-important flaming and foul mouth off the boards.
-Scaphism

Can you point out the point of WoW then?

Cause I'd love to know what that is.

This thread is a crime against reason

since this thread is supposed to be about the video, i think its pathetically stupid, i didnt laugh at it once. i thought it was just a poorly made video that you could do with a lot of the games that are out there right now. that song is rediculously annoying too.

No YOU SHUTUP, I don't know why anyone put up with you stupid crap assed posts to begin with. If you going to whine and **** then do so with people who give a ****. This is neither the right forum for your stupidity nor do you have any right to criticize Guild Wars.

Since you have no thoughtful suggestions nor did you ever give a reason beyond “They don't update enough" I'm going to guess that you play games because you have "nothing better to do" instead of playing games because you "enjoy games". You don't like guild wars, fine cause we hate you.

I hope you do leave, that way I don't have to deal with your ****.

Funny, I got a chuckle out of it. But if WoW needs to sue the nudity to keep the kids paying, more power to 'em.

At least GW characters remember to put on their undies... and the chicks are hotter.