I much prefer the euopean servers, fewer idiots and a lot less abuse. It's funny seeing all the American server users moaning about a poor community over there...
The UW and Fissure are pretty pointless really, you can get some nice XP and cool looking items to fleece n00bs with but that's about it. Fissure armour is a pointless carrot that detracts from the rest of the game, seeing all the people whinning about not being able to get it makes me glad I don't play with them.
As for competitive PvP, who cares? PvP(imo) should be about fun, not necessarily winning. Playing soley to win in my opinion tends to get pretty boring, you start to criticse anything that in the slightest way disadvantages you, whine about various skills and generally moan a lot.
I like the WaW system, it keeps stuff like UW and the fissure rare rather than it just being another PvE mission. It occasionally forces groups to take those that are available rather than waiting half an hour for those they think they want. It makes the whole experience have more tension, knowing that if you fail on the mission you might have to wait a day or two before you can attempt it again. But of course, UW and Fissure aren't about having fun doing the quests, they are about grinding, xp gaining and armour. The problem is with the players, not the system.
But I know I'm in the minority and frankly I couldn't care less.
Europeans back to Europe
john little
Antagonist
Keeping players from changing would also have a negative effect on PvP. Right now UW and FoW are the only maps where you can get decent amount of XP to unlock skills for your PvP chars. Since europe is practically excluded from these two high-lvl areas the variety of builds lacks on europe except for some hardcore players who have decided not to make the switch (yet).
Nontheless it wouldn't change the issue that there are simply many players who are not interested in playing PvP at all. If they can't access UW and FoW anymore due to lack of favour these players will leave GW over time and they will be probably lost as potential customers. Don't forget that there are still 3 gods which don't have any maps. In the worst case europe won't be able to play on 5 major maps and many people don't like to be disadvantaged although they paid the same price for the game.
I don't think that there more PvP players on the US server but due to the larger population they have comparatively more teams in tombs at all times. The rest are PvE players who benefit from their PvP players but have no interest in helping to keep/gain the favour.
Nontheless it wouldn't change the issue that there are simply many players who are not interested in playing PvP at all. If they can't access UW and FoW anymore due to lack of favour these players will leave GW over time and they will be probably lost as potential customers. Don't forget that there are still 3 gods which don't have any maps. In the worst case europe won't be able to play on 5 major maps and many people don't like to be disadvantaged although they paid the same price for the game.
I don't think that there more PvP players on the US server but due to the larger population they have comparatively more teams in tombs at all times. The rest are PvE players who benefit from their PvP players but have no interest in helping to keep/gain the favour.
GW Insomniac
I recently joined the exodus from the euro server to the US - based solely on the fact that the majority of players in the English districts rarely speak english - too many 'ik's and 'hebben's for my liking.
I remember seeing a post where someone suggested having benelux districts and thought 'what a blinding idea' but nothing ever came of it.
You'd have thought,geographically speaking,that the non english speaking players would congregate in one of the other non english speaking districts - but strangely they don't.
I know this post isn't exactly in the spirit of european unity - but i'd much rather play GW with people from the US - rather than group up with non english speakers - you often feel like a space filler,rather than a group member,as the rest of the team natter away to themselves in their own language.
I remember seeing a post where someone suggested having benelux districts and thought 'what a blinding idea' but nothing ever came of it.
You'd have thought,geographically speaking,that the non english speaking players would congregate in one of the other non english speaking districts - but strangely they don't.
I know this post isn't exactly in the spirit of european unity - but i'd much rather play GW with people from the US - rather than group up with non english speakers - you often feel like a space filler,rather than a group member,as the rest of the team natter away to themselves in their own language.
Calnaion Blackhawk
lol im sticking to europe, if u aint got favor, go and win it i say 
azure sepath has a turd team so i dont know why i see people in the tombs goin omg, i would hate to come across azure
i hope the american servers crash, due to too much strain then prevent all the euro traitors from coming back ahhaha, that would make me laugh so much.
what happened to good ol' teams like esoteric, they had a good streak then they just.... disappeared :?
alot of good euro teams have recently disappeared
azure sepath has a turd team so i dont know why i see people in the tombs goin omg, i would hate to come across azure
i hope the american servers crash, due to too much strain then prevent all the euro traitors from coming back ahhaha, that would make me laugh so much.
what happened to good ol' teams like esoteric, they had a good streak then they just.... disappeared :?
alot of good euro teams have recently disappeared
Omega X
Who really gives a damn. If the British like to play on american servers then its their choice. Who gives a damn about opinion on where, who when and why. Bull--- I say! Bull----!!
Everytime I read that "X" and "Y" should go back to "Z" in and OUT of game, it just makes me want to smack someone in the jaw.
Everytime I read that "X" and "Y" should go back to "Z" in and OUT of game, it just makes me want to smack someone in the jaw.
Xomah of Denyle
Who cares what server you play on?
I too think it'll be a good idea to remove the real world servers thing alltogether and make favor fiction faction based.
I too think it'll be a good idea to remove the real world servers thing alltogether and make favor fiction faction based.
Syno Nym
As a european and french player, I can't really blame people for crossing the atlantic ocean. There's the lag, there's no favor, etc...
But what I can't bear is those people, those europeans, who left Europe and now dare to say "haha, Europe sucks". Why does it suck ? Maybe because people left instead of trying to make it rise. I don't know how to say this in english but in france we have an expression : "Les rats quittent le navire", which means something like "rats are leaving the ship before it sinks", and I think it perfectly applies to these people.
I must admit I often joke on the french players level, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm still playing for Europe, and still in a french guild (who said the best one ? ).
But what I can't bear is those people, those europeans, who left Europe and now dare to say "haha, Europe sucks". Why does it suck ? Maybe because people left instead of trying to make it rise. I don't know how to say this in english but in france we have an expression : "Les rats quittent le navire", which means something like "rats are leaving the ship before it sinks", and I think it perfectly applies to these people.
I must admit I often joke on the french players level, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm still playing for Europe, and still in a french guild (who said the best one ?
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Feli
It is a problem about european thinking why we never have the favor. The lag decreased a lot for me lately, so they are probably close to fixing the problem. All the people who left for the US Server... screw those. They are just useless anyways if they can't stand up to a challenge in PVP (if they did it for PVE, well, useless for PVP anyways ;D). This is a thing about european mentality. I could do some statistics about how the european teams fight in the Tombs or Arenas. It is a plain nightmare.
Example 1:
Random Arena
"Ok, everyone attacks my target"
"okay"
Team rushes out and sees the other team has a monk player, which the own team doesn't have.
"Damn, we stand no chance" - leaves right away
"Damn leavers" - leaves right away
2 on 4, great thing...
"ololooool we ownzorized you!"
And having to endure the mockery of small kids for your kindness of staying and putting up a fight.
Example 2:
Tombs
"Good, good we have a good team, and we managed the PVE Part quite well. Let's smash those"
The Burial Mounds load.
"DAMN, first team are koreans... we are doomed, well... see you in the outpost" - leave
"Damn leavers!" - leave
"ARGGG" - leave
"Pointless" - leave too
The rest puts up a fight and gets wiped out in seconds. Great... thing.
Example 3:
Tombs
A very rare thing but sometimes it might happen... an european team managed to stay alive and now have to fight against two teams at the same time.
"We have to wait this out, let red engage yellow"
"Yeah... yep"
And now the team just waits... and waits... and waits... and waits some more...
When all of a sudden another team deciced to engage combat and what do they do? They just steamroll the waiting europeans.
Europe is lame, for all it can do is wait for someone else to fix the crap they caused themselves. They allways wait and defend... i've never seen an european team on offense, but a lot of them on defense. Just wait it out, all will turn out good... yes.
And morale sucks for europe, the europeans are so fricking used to losing in Guildwars they more likely accept defeat and start playing poor just to prove their own point that fighting would be pointless.
Example 1:
Random Arena
"Ok, everyone attacks my target"
"okay"
Team rushes out and sees the other team has a monk player, which the own team doesn't have.
"Damn, we stand no chance" - leaves right away
"Damn leavers" - leaves right away
2 on 4, great thing...
"ololooool we ownzorized you!"
And having to endure the mockery of small kids for your kindness of staying and putting up a fight.
Example 2:
Tombs
"Good, good we have a good team, and we managed the PVE Part quite well. Let's smash those"
The Burial Mounds load.
"DAMN, first team are koreans... we are doomed, well... see you in the outpost" - leave
"Damn leavers!" - leave
"ARGGG" - leave
"Pointless" - leave too
The rest puts up a fight and gets wiped out in seconds. Great... thing.
Example 3:
Tombs
A very rare thing but sometimes it might happen... an european team managed to stay alive and now have to fight against two teams at the same time.
"We have to wait this out, let red engage yellow"
"Yeah... yep"
And now the team just waits... and waits... and waits... and waits some more...
When all of a sudden another team deciced to engage combat and what do they do? They just steamroll the waiting europeans.
Europe is lame, for all it can do is wait for someone else to fix the crap they caused themselves. They allways wait and defend... i've never seen an european team on offense, but a lot of them on defense. Just wait it out, all will turn out good... yes.
And morale sucks for europe, the europeans are so fricking used to losing in Guildwars they more likely accept defeat and start playing poor just to prove their own point that fighting would be pointless.
Timoz
Hmm i have to agree with Blackhawk instead of complaining about not having the favor go and get it !!! Groups like Esoteric warriors have disappeard recently not to mention RUS corp who used to win favor- what the hell happend to them you may ask- (they play gvg only now)
Personally i've made a few pug ranger groups lately and represented europe many times in the hoh with a pug group- its not that hard you just have to know the builds and how to get good people- people who listen and are well co-ordinated, your half way there with that.
As for what Feli said, i also used to be fed up with people fearing koreans and korean guilds etc.. why do they?
Just because Korea have the favor a lot and retain it it doesnt mean every korean group is good, heck most of them i come accross are really bad.
Another thing, i dont expect to see this happening but it is true koreans and Americans help their own out so much more inside the tombs, they dont backstabb each other, they barely even fight each other. I don't see this happening with euro teams, maybe this is because many countries make up europe and we have no loyalty within europe from country to country i dont know. Maybe in time it will change,i think gradually it is.
Personally i've made a few pug ranger groups lately and represented europe many times in the hoh with a pug group- its not that hard you just have to know the builds and how to get good people- people who listen and are well co-ordinated, your half way there with that.
As for what Feli said, i also used to be fed up with people fearing koreans and korean guilds etc.. why do they?
Just because Korea have the favor a lot and retain it it doesnt mean every korean group is good, heck most of them i come accross are really bad.
Another thing, i dont expect to see this happening but it is true koreans and Americans help their own out so much more inside the tombs, they dont backstabb each other, they barely even fight each other. I don't see this happening with euro teams, maybe this is because many countries make up europe and we have no loyalty within europe from country to country i dont know. Maybe in time it will change,i think gradually it is.
Warskull
Most people have no understanding of how Korea keep and maintains favor. Almost all Korean groups have an undestanding that they gang up on the American's and Europeans first. They see the pre-HoH matches not as a way to advance to the HoH, but as a way to block American and European groups from getting to the HoH ensuring American favor. You will routinely see that if two korean group are facing each other they both leave and gank the other teams priests. This is further facilitated by the fact that most people can't read korean while a large amount of koreans can read english. If the hall of heroes is two korean groups and an european group it is going to be a 2v1 and then most likely one of the Korean groups will concede the win to the other.
The American and European groups completely lack this kind of strategy and tactics. They play in a system where you fight the group you are up again 1v1 until one of them dies and then politely wait for the rest of the groups to finish up until you start your next 1v1. While with the American groups I see this starting to change (more groups who sabotage others.) It still isn't to the level of organization the Korean groups have.
People need to understand when you go to the burial mounts and see three American groups, one European Group, and two Korean groups the Koreans are going to play it like it is 16v24v8 and this gives the the edge over the people who play it as an 8v8v8v8v8v8.
The American and European groups completely lack this kind of strategy and tactics. They play in a system where you fight the group you are up again 1v1 until one of them dies and then politely wait for the rest of the groups to finish up until you start your next 1v1. While with the American groups I see this starting to change (more groups who sabotage others.) It still isn't to the level of organization the Korean groups have.
People need to understand when you go to the burial mounts and see three American groups, one European Group, and two Korean groups the Koreans are going to play it like it is 16v24v8 and this gives the the edge over the people who play it as an 8v8v8v8v8v8.
Dargull
The reason Europe doesn't get favour has nothing to do with palyers playing on foreign servers. It has to do with time zones.
Europe never gets to have Tyria for itself, we are always sailing with either the Americans (in the evenings) or with the Koreans (in the mornings), Both areas also have a lager player base (even without migrating europeans).
As a result europe only gets favour in the middle of the night (usually between 00:00 and 03:00 GMT) but it DOES get favour, while the Koreans are a sleep and the Americans are hving diner coming home from work.
But the Americans and the Koreans hardly every run into each other with the execption of early mornig in korea and late evening in the USA.
GMT 00:00 - 18:00 Central US/Canada time 16:00(!) on the west coast
GMT 00:00 - Midnight in Europe
GMT 00:00 - 09:00 Seoul Time
Now by the time the koreans get home from work/school the Americans are fast a sleep (and as a result off-line).
And when the Americans get home from work/school the Koreans are at Work/School.
Wich gives them only the handfull of MIDNIGHt european palyers to worry about, so its not at al strange that Europe doesn't hold the favour that often.
Europe never gets to have Tyria for itself, we are always sailing with either the Americans (in the evenings) or with the Koreans (in the mornings), Both areas also have a lager player base (even without migrating europeans).
As a result europe only gets favour in the middle of the night (usually between 00:00 and 03:00 GMT) but it DOES get favour, while the Koreans are a sleep and the Americans are hving diner coming home from work.
But the Americans and the Koreans hardly every run into each other with the execption of early mornig in korea and late evening in the USA.
GMT 00:00 - 18:00 Central US/Canada time 16:00(!) on the west coast
GMT 00:00 - Midnight in Europe
GMT 00:00 - 09:00 Seoul Time
Now by the time the koreans get home from work/school the Americans are fast a sleep (and as a result off-line).
And when the Americans get home from work/school the Koreans are at Work/School.
Wich gives them only the handfull of MIDNIGHt european palyers to worry about, so its not at al strange that Europe doesn't hold the favour that often.
Sandman Uk
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There should be only two territorries: Korea and International. That would eliminate the need for territory switching. Problem gone...
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Kasperson
The bigest issue is just like Sandman said: Underworld and FoW.
How many times I have been in UW?
-6
How many times I have been in Fow?
-2
(So it makes 8)
How long have I played?
-3 months and have over 1000k exp.
So you can think what is the hardest part to get fissure armor. I only stay on Europe, because I've a good guild in here and I have heard that you can loose your account if you are at America.
Sorry about my bad english.
How many times I have been in UW?
-6
How many times I have been in Fow?
-2
(So it makes 8)
How long have I played?
-3 months and have over 1000k exp.
So you can think what is the hardest part to get fissure armor. I only stay on Europe, because I've a good guild in here and I have heard that you can loose your account if you are at America.
Sorry about my bad english.
Lagg
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Who cares what server you play on?
I too think it'll be a good idea to remove the real world servers thing alltogether and make favor fiction faction based. |
Fox Reeveheart
Ok lets put it this way.
One possible reason people go to the other servers from europe is because europe has few good players (thus why few favor).
BUT
Once the lag problem is finished, we'll see if my hypothesis is correct or not.
If they suddenly get favor more, we'll know it was the lag problem.
If they still keep coming and still barely ever have favor, we'll know its just they have fewer great players.
Sound reasonable?
Edit: We all know koreans have the reputation for being WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYY (etc.) too much into competitive games. (STARCRAFT)
But that doesnt mean they should get their own select server, the asia server was a great idea, one server for 1/2 countries is favoritism., not everyone in america server speaks 100% US american, we have canada and mexico (spanish) and a million other little tropical countries like aruba and jamaica, and also venezuela and brazil and argentina and chile. Making a server for JUST S/N Korea is pure favoritism.
One possible reason people go to the other servers from europe is because europe has few good players (thus why few favor).
BUT
Once the lag problem is finished, we'll see if my hypothesis is correct or not.
If they suddenly get favor more, we'll know it was the lag problem.
If they still keep coming and still barely ever have favor, we'll know its just they have fewer great players.
Sound reasonable?
Edit: We all know koreans have the reputation for being WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYY (etc.) too much into competitive games. (STARCRAFT)
But that doesnt mean they should get their own select server, the asia server was a great idea, one server for 1/2 countries is favoritism., not everyone in america server speaks 100% US american, we have canada and mexico (spanish) and a million other little tropical countries like aruba and jamaica, and also venezuela and brazil and argentina and chile. Making a server for JUST S/N Korea is pure favoritism.
Sandman Uk
Plain and simple
You will find the only people emigrating to Usa servers is european PVE players who depend on Pvp players to access the best parts of the Pve game. Pve players dont like button bashing PVP play and will emigrate so they have a lot more opertunity of getting into the Underworld and Fissure to finish the PVE game. Not because of lag ssues.
Those American players who are replying dont see it as an issue becuase they have daily opertunities to enter.
We PVE PLAYING EUROPEANS dont
The longer it goes on with the way its set up the harder it will be. PVP guilds like the Sissy boys get stronger and stronger gaining Superior runes through faction. Us pve players stand no chance of building a team to win PVP so we can carry on playing PVE
Dont make sense Anet do someting to change it
You will find the only people emigrating to Usa servers is european PVE players who depend on Pvp players to access the best parts of the Pve game. Pve players dont like button bashing PVP play and will emigrate so they have a lot more opertunity of getting into the Underworld and Fissure to finish the PVE game. Not because of lag ssues.
Those American players who are replying dont see it as an issue becuase they have daily opertunities to enter.
We PVE PLAYING EUROPEANS dont
The longer it goes on with the way its set up the harder it will be. PVP guilds like the Sissy boys get stronger and stronger gaining Superior runes through faction. Us pve players stand no chance of building a team to win PVP so we can carry on playing PVE
Dont make sense Anet do someting to change it
Lagg
Exactly why I want things to change.
I care very little for PVP, but want to be able to get into UW or FoW, at least once a day. I can't even imagine what it must be like to have the opportunity to enter all day, or even half of the time.
I care very little for PVP, but want to be able to get into UW or FoW, at least once a day. I can't even imagine what it must be like to have the opportunity to enter all day, or even half of the time.
Aniewiel
It's too bad that PvP is connected in any way to entrance into the FoW or UW. The two events, like the two styles of play, should be separate. Maybe they will leave the two areas open once subsequent expansions come out and the newness factor of it wears off.
Mugon M. Musashi
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Ok lets put it this way.
One possible reason people go to the other servers from europe is because europe has few good players (thus why few favor) |
US has 2 Million players
you do the math
Timoz
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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart
Ok lets put it this way.
One possible reason people go to the other servers from europe is because europe has few good players (thus why few favor) |
Being in europe wether we get the favor much or not and wether we're good or not i like the challenge of improving and some euro guilds are improving a lot, maybe we'll see a change in the next few weeks or so, we seem to be competing much more in the tomb at the moment and threatening for the favor.
Maybe if we do do better AND of course the lag goes as that is still a big problem then people will switch back.
Darksci
I'm from London, and i moved to the American server.
Far more populated there.
Much more fun.
And now im part of a guild which i very much like. They all know i'm from London, and theres another person whos european as well.
The time difference is hardly a change.
Also lag isn't an issue since i get none - even in a GvG match. And i'm using a 56K connection.
My own opinion. I'm glad I left Europe.
Maybe if more people were playing in Europe, then yes i'll go back.
Speaking off topic though, if Bush got assinated one day, I won't feel the small amount of sorrow.
Far more populated there.
Much more fun.
And now im part of a guild which i very much like. They all know i'm from London, and theres another person whos european as well.
The time difference is hardly a change.
Also lag isn't an issue since i get none - even in a GvG match. And i'm using a 56K connection.
My own opinion. I'm glad I left Europe.
Maybe if more people were playing in Europe, then yes i'll go back.
Speaking off topic though, if Bush got assinated one day, I won't feel the small amount of sorrow.
johnnylange
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Speaking off topic though, if Bush got assinated one day, I won't feel the small amount of sorrow.
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john little
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You will find the only people emigrating to Usa servers is european PVE players who depend on Pvp players to access the best parts of the Pve game. Pve players dont like button bashing PVP play and will emigrate so they have a lot more opertunity of getting into the Underworld and Fissure to finish the PVE game. Not because of lag ssues.
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The PvE game finishes when you defeat the Lich. The ToA missions are bonuses, hence why they don't come up with a little 'mission completed' cutscene. What the hell are you going to use the XP for? What are you going to use the cool looking weapons for? What are you going to use all the gold on? What on earth is the point of spending hundreds of hours (or a few minutes on ebay) to get fissure armour? It's pure insanity, especially grinding UW to get it.
As for why anet made it so that PvP decides who gets to enter these bonus missions, I can only guess it went something like this:
Dev #1: Hey, wouldn't it be cool if we made some PvE that the various servers could fight over?
Dev #2: Yeah, it might attract some PvE players to try PvP, and give the PvP players something to fight for. We could even have a little message pop up saying who won it for the server, it would be great!
Dev #1: Oh, but it might upset some players that they can't access the PvE..
Dev #2: Well they could just PvP a bit, after all, this is a mixed PvE/PvP game. It's not like these missions are going to be vital to the game, just some added bonus stuff. Most of it will only be relevant to the PvP'ers that want more skill points or those wanting to show off their stuff.
Dev #3: Yeah, we're going to put in the 'this will take you 6 months to get' armour down there, to reward those players that play a long time.
Dev #1: Do you think they will grind for it?
Dev #3: Nah, the amount of stuff needed will mean that to grind it you'd have to have no life or be insane. Its really just something to keep those wanting 'stuff' playing till the next expansion, the n00bs.
Edge Martinez
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europe has 200.000 players
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I don't know if that math works. I think Korea has less players than us and hold favor longer. We always throw numbers at something. 10-1 odds for a video game are no different. I think once Europe stops lagging it will be like Korea 40% America 35% Europe 25%.
Lagg
Korea less players? You must be joking.
There are a LOT of Korean GW players. Maybe not 2 million, but 1 million wouldn't surprise me. PC gaming is baked into their culture something you wouldn't believe.
There are a LOT of Korean GW players. Maybe not 2 million, but 1 million wouldn't surprise me. PC gaming is baked into their culture something you wouldn't believe.
Fox Reeveheart
hmmm
I might actually have to call the favor split between korea and america.
I see people say korea has more ot america has more, but its a REALLY tough call on that one, i played about 200 hours now and i see it fluxuate alot.
Just opinino I guess, Unless Anet has some kind of clock that monitors how long each place has favor. Like how it has time of possession for football teams. Then we will truly know how has it more often.
I might actually have to call the favor split between korea and america.
I see people say korea has more ot america has more, but its a REALLY tough call on that one, i played about 200 hours now and i see it fluxuate alot.
Just opinino I guess, Unless Anet has some kind of clock that monitors how long each place has favor. Like how it has time of possession for football teams. Then we will truly know how has it more often.
Sandman Uk
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'finish the PvE game'????
The PvE game finishes when you defeat the Lich. The ToA missions are bonuses, hence why they don't come up with a little 'mission completed' cutscene. What the hell are you going to use the XP for? What are you going to use the cool looking weapons for? What are you going to use all the gold on? What on earth is the point of spending hundreds of hours (or a few minutes on ebay) to get fissure armour? It's pure insanity, especially grinding UW to get it. |
Not posting what because it may spoil for others Pm if you want to know.
john little
I completed the fissure (before they added the two extra quests there, it must be said) and did the first two quests in UW before getting bored of the whole ToA PvE. Everyone seems to be based around trapper groups or doing smite runs, and I really couldn't see the point. I don't need XP, I couldn't care less about fissure armour (doesn't even look that good as an elementalist), I have all the items I need. I guess that's my problem, I can live without the favour...
ShinJin Kahn
The americans wont belive how dead some areas on euro server are, go to marhans grotto about midday on euro and you'll see maybe 6 people at most, go to marhans grotta about midday on US servers and they'll be ATLEAST 2 districts full of people.
You wanna do the multi class "path" missions on euro server, you gotta do it with henchies, wanna do the same missions on US servers, they'll be ATLEAST 3 groups doing them from each location.
UW/FoW?, USA servers, no problem, a monk will be along any time now.
UW/FoW?, euro servers, omg, no monk, no team, no favour.
and yes, it really is that bad, i'm so glad I made the change.
You wanna do the multi class "path" missions on euro server, you gotta do it with henchies, wanna do the same missions on US servers, they'll be ATLEAST 3 groups doing them from each location.
UW/FoW?, USA servers, no problem, a monk will be along any time now.
UW/FoW?, euro servers, omg, no monk, no team, no favour.
and yes, it really is that bad, i'm so glad I made the change.
Frost_
lol this is funny
Timoz
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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez
I don't know if that math works. I think Korea has less players than us and hold favor longer. We always throw numbers at something. 10-1 odds for a video game are no different. I think once Europe stops lagging it will be like Korea 40% America 35% Europe 25%.
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Rayea
john, just because YOU can live without a set of the spanky 15k armour dose nto mean that everyone else can also live without it.
see it from others point of view.
also, who says a PvE player should just go PvP when they cant get into the UW or Fissure? you?
i have spent 30, yes, 30 mins paying PvP, and found out what i already know...im crap at it, and i cant ever win more than 1 out of 5 goes.
should i then, cause i cant do somehting, be forced to play it over and over, causing reasonable teams to get their assess handed to them? a resounding NO
some people want to go to these places, not just because they want the armour, or the items, or even the gold
they go, because they have the desire to see the place, and to explore
they are the same people that try to make the whole of the map clear or that sneak around and check every nook and cranny and even the dead ends, cause they love to explore.
and compleating the UW at the start, pff, easy. most of the players were eather newbies, who were slogging through the first few areas, or old hands that had played the game in the betas ect, and knew what they were doing, so it wiould have been much easier to do back then, when the areas werent filled with munchkins and people that think if you have enough tanks, a few monks and a nuker, you can rule the world.
see it from others point of view.
also, who says a PvE player should just go PvP when they cant get into the UW or Fissure? you?
i have spent 30, yes, 30 mins paying PvP, and found out what i already know...im crap at it, and i cant ever win more than 1 out of 5 goes.
should i then, cause i cant do somehting, be forced to play it over and over, causing reasonable teams to get their assess handed to them? a resounding NO
some people want to go to these places, not just because they want the armour, or the items, or even the gold
they go, because they have the desire to see the place, and to explore
they are the same people that try to make the whole of the map clear or that sneak around and check every nook and cranny and even the dead ends, cause they love to explore.
and compleating the UW at the start, pff, easy. most of the players were eather newbies, who were slogging through the first few areas, or old hands that had played the game in the betas ect, and knew what they were doing, so it wiould have been much easier to do back then, when the areas werent filled with munchkins and people that think if you have enough tanks, a few monks and a nuker, you can rule the world.
Fantus
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Originally Posted by Timoz
I agree with this, once the lags gone things wil improve.
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Feli
No... seriously... expect it to change real soon. A friend of mine is setting up a fixed group for the sole purpose of holding the HOH for europe soon. And so do many other people i know. Guilds are starting to unite.
Right now it is looking like europe is preparing for a huge battle. Expect to see Europe in the Hall of Heroes real soon. As soon as the lag vanishes and european players are coming back from their holidays.
It would be easier however.. if europe could finally just stop chickening out every time a korean team shows up.
Here, dear Guildwars Guru Community, you see the reason why europe commonly sucks when it comes to Favor.
Let's wait it! Yeah, let's wait for others to do our work. This is just unbearable. Imagine the following situation, an european person is drowning in a small pool which is about 1 metre deep. Instead of just calming down, standing up and simply walking out of the water the european person keeps on screaming for help.
Right now it is looking like europe is preparing for a huge battle. Expect to see Europe in the Hall of Heroes real soon. As soon as the lag vanishes and european players are coming back from their holidays.
It would be easier however.. if europe could finally just stop chickening out every time a korean team shows up.
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Originally Posted by Fantus
unless A-Net FINALLY does something about it.
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Let's wait it! Yeah, let's wait for others to do our work. This is just unbearable. Imagine the following situation, an european person is drowning in a small pool which is about 1 metre deep. Instead of just calming down, standing up and simply walking out of the water the european person keeps on screaming for help.
Lagg
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Originally Posted by john little
Dev #3: Nah, the amount of stuff needed will mean that to grind it you'd have to have no life or be insane. Its really just something to keep those wanting 'stuff' playing till the next expansion, the n00bs.
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People will grind for ANYTHING. Especially if it's seriously insane to get. The devs know this, trust me.
Sandman Uk
Its to late to do anything about it now.
The top PVP players have their feet under the table. The longer it goes on the stronger they become more faction means more unlocks for them. A PVE team has no chance of going to the halls and winning.
Statergies and Voice clients are used to great effect. And would a team really leave the halls once they win to go PVE in Underworld??? Nahh
The faction points are worth more if you get consecutive wins.
Its one of the worst ideas in the game regarding favor being won in PVP to open a section for PVE. Two entirely different games
As mentioned in a post above. PVE is about exploring every nook and cranny, opening up all the fog of war, exploring.
Not button bashing in PVE.
The top PVP players have their feet under the table. The longer it goes on the stronger they become more faction means more unlocks for them. A PVE team has no chance of going to the halls and winning.
Statergies and Voice clients are used to great effect. And would a team really leave the halls once they win to go PVE in Underworld??? Nahh
The faction points are worth more if you get consecutive wins.
Its one of the worst ideas in the game regarding favor being won in PVP to open a section for PVE. Two entirely different games
As mentioned in a post above. PVE is about exploring every nook and cranny, opening up all the fog of war, exploring.
Not button bashing in PVE.
ocoini
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Originally Posted by Darriths Novastar
Straight from Arena Nets support website
"Question How many servers does Guild Wars have? Answer Guild Wars has many servers located at data centers around the globe." http://support.guildwars.com/cgi-bin...i=&p_topview=1 |
There was a simmilar thread like this here long ago. And someone managed to check where the server where located (ip or something) and he insited that all the servers where located in the US. Others agreed with him. Belive what you want...
john little
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Originally Posted by Lagg
People will grind for ANYTHING. Especially if it's seriously insane to get. The devs know this, trust me.
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Originally Posted by Rayea
john, just because YOU can live without a set of the spanky 15k armour dose nto mean that everyone else can also live without it.
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what will you do once you have the armour? Prance around Old Ascalon impressing n00bs? Check it off your list of items to get, and move on to finding a crystaline sword or whatever? I completely understand the motivation, but before asking for a dramatic change to the PvE/PvP interaction I'd simply ask you to consider exactly what benefit it would really achieve.
Mugon M. Musashi
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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez
I don't know if that math works. I think Korea has less players than us and hold favor longer. We always throw numbers at something. 10-1 odds for a video game are no different. I think once Europe stops lagging it will be like Korea 40% America 35% Europe 25%.
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and yes, the more players there are, the more chances you have to hold the HoH
imagine 1 team of europeans against 10 teams of americans and 10 teams of koreans... that's just silly
Lyger
It would be nice if all the europeans would play on the european server, so that we had a greater chance of getting favour occaasionally.
The big problem I see with WaW is this: America is a united nation, all one nationality with a sense of national pride. The same goes for Korea.
Europe is NOT a single nation, or a single country. I am in England myself. Part of the grand idea of Europe, but my first allegiance is to my country - England. The same can *usually* be said of the French, Germans, Italians...pick one.
Europe is not a whole country, all happily united (though our countries leaders may want us to think so). I have read stories of German teams being ganked by french teams, french teams being ganked by english teams... because we do not feel part of the 'whole' that alot of the world seems to think Europe is. There is no national pride in Europr because there is no nation. Europe is too separate to work together properly on the whole.
Europe will always come last in the whole WaW idea, simply because of fewer numbers than America or Korea, and also because of the competitiveness that sets European against European.
I would like to see the WaW idea altered so something more even, so that ALL nationalities get their chance at favour every now and then.
The big problem I see with WaW is this: America is a united nation, all one nationality with a sense of national pride. The same goes for Korea.
Europe is NOT a single nation, or a single country. I am in England myself. Part of the grand idea of Europe, but my first allegiance is to my country - England. The same can *usually* be said of the French, Germans, Italians...pick one.
Europe is not a whole country, all happily united (though our countries leaders may want us to think so). I have read stories of German teams being ganked by french teams, french teams being ganked by english teams... because we do not feel part of the 'whole' that alot of the world seems to think Europe is. There is no national pride in Europr because there is no nation. Europe is too separate to work together properly on the whole.
Europe will always come last in the whole WaW idea, simply because of fewer numbers than America or Korea, and also because of the competitiveness that sets European against European.
I would like to see the WaW idea altered so something more even, so that ALL nationalities get their chance at favour every now and then.