Europeans back to Europe

I have finally figured out why Europe never has favor! It's the SPELLING! Maybe ANet coded "favOr" and not "favoUr" into the computer thereby making it tougher for misspelling to win!

/end silliness

I really don't mean anything by this so no one get your knickers in a knot.

One thought though: When you see who has favor, is it spelled "favor" or "favour"? Just one of those random questions that popped into my head.

Nonsense. You can't win a war when you have like 200,000 soldiers and the enemy has like 6 million or so. Europeans are NOT bad at PvP, they just lack the numbers. We might as well surrender now (=moving to US) instead of fighting a battle that's completely hopeless. Yes, we could try hard as you suggest and go down in a heroic battle, but what's the point if you are going to lose anyway?

As for me personally - I don't do PvP in Tombs because I hate the overserious atmosphere there (hell, the people there behave as if the war was REAL). I PvP only in Arenas, so I am not much help with gaining favor anyway.

The pool in your example is not 1 metre deep - it's 20 metre deeps and it has sharks.

Unfortunately you are right. People do think that way. However there IS a European nation. It's called the European Union and is the third largest nation on earth - only China and India are larger. But as long as this "my country first, Europe second" attitude is still in people's heads, Europe will be screwed - in Guildwars as well as in real life. Much smaller countries (*cough* Korea *cough*) will stomp on us because we're still too busy fighting ourselves. Face it, there is no "my country" anymore. 70% of our laws are made in Brussels. Go figure!

Problem only is... we won't change that fact here. It will take 50 - 100 years to change that. That's why the Worlds at War concept has to go. Now!

What I don't get is why this is such a big deal...?


No matter where you hail from or what side you decide to represent, the result should still be the same: The Guild which comes out on top on the guild ladder and in the HoH is shown not only as what region you are winning the favor for, but also what guild is causing the favor to shift.

I don't have a clue whether or not this made sense, but in short: Try to represent your guild more than your region.

And for those who keep making abusive comments in Tombs against different regions: Don't, because you don't truely know if those people you are making fun of are actually Korean or actually European or actually American until you meet them face to face.

I migrated to the American Servers, purely so i could enjoy their favor

However, whenever i go into Tombs, i go to the International districts and make sure that my team is European. Can't be havin' me winning the favor for the Americans now, can we?

I completely and utterly agree with Fantus. Europe needs to work together, such as the Americans and Koreans can do. Problem is, the French. Now, might sound insulting, but, to be fair, my experience with the French in Guild Wars has not been the best...i'll just say Korea gained Favor because of one of their Guild teams.

john little said...

yes it does, they just don't know it yet... what will you do once you have the armour? Prance around Old Ascalon impressing n00bs? Check it off your list of items to get, and move on to finding a crystaline sword or whatever? I completely understand the motivation, but before asking for a dramatic change to the PvE/PvP interaction I'd simply ask you to consider exactly what benefit it would really achieve.

personaly, i have no real intention fo getting any 15k armour. so far, i like only one set slightly, and one piece at all, and unless they changed them, i still probably would not bother grinding for it.

crystal looking sword? oh, i *have* one of those, got it in pre sear, so why bother arsing about looking for a better one if its just for looks

as to swaning about in my flashy armour...pfff...i keep a basic set of boneweave in my backpack and whenever i go to areas that cant get the armour i have now, i swap back into the old stuff, so dont go griping that i wanna show off my spanky armours, i can do that to my friends and be satisfied in one guy and a 'whoa, what a cleavage *drool*' remark ^^

its less about the armour and more about the going into the UW ect for me, i am an explore type. if i was in the UW, and found an ecto and the prices were good, i would be more likely to sell than to hoard.

and over all, its less about the fact that these things and places exist and are there to make you grind or fight, its more about the fact that by having the favour/favor set up the way it is right now, a large section of the game playing populace cant go there or get the items they are wanting.

how would you feel if you had to wait till an un reasonable hour of the day/night to be able to go into the arena, assuming you like to PvP, simply because your server wasnt sheduled to go in, or had to have kept the Arena Torch for a full 3 hours?
you would scream like us PvE'ers are doing now, if your PvP privalages were being reigned in by something as arbitrary as which team was holding said torch.

granted, it takes skill, cunning and work to hold these places that win or loose the favour/favor, but what some of us are saying is that that is the only thing that needs rewarding...
that sides skill in the HoH or whatever place it is,
and that by ditching the favour/favor meaning your side gets hunting rights in the UW and Fissure you alow the team to be recognised as the team that keeps the Avatars of the Gods in your server.

making an area un accessable to a reasanable section of the gaming publick will always create stress and agro.
guess it would still be there, even if only those who bought the collectors edition were the only ones alowed into UW and Fissure, or if only those that bought the 'gold game tickets' and paid for the privelage were alowed in.

Yes. But when you are fighting in Guildwars, the maximum number of opponents you are fighting is 40 and those not even all at the same time. Most of the time you are fighting 8 on 8 or maybe 8 on 16. But not 200.000 against 6 million.

It only takes a few decent PVPers to get Europe the Favor. The skilled peaple simply can't be spammed to death in guildwars. You could do so in WoW... going 50 on 1 or something like that but you can't do so in Guildwars.

actually, it looks like the skilled peeps can be spammed to death. check out this thread and then say thats not true...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&page=1&pp=25

and have you noticed, that a lot of said skilled PvPers have moved to the usa servers?
and quite a few said skilled pvpers are now semi retired and only play gvg? hmm?

yes, maybe euro needs to work harder, but considering fewer euro teams gang up n the other side and work together, or sometimes even wor together as a group, its hard.

saying euro sux, sure.
but if it were possible to level the paying field (not with the everything at the push of a button type fix) by having no need to gain the favour/favor to get into these places, the reasons to play pvp in HoH ect would not realy change, only its outcome. same groups would still hold the hall for hours at a time, cause they want the faction points ect.

and there would be fewer threads about how <insert name> server sux or gets owned by such-and-such a server or side, and fewer theads about not getting your armour and maybe even the prices of these UW and Fissure items would come down a bit, with more people being able t get hold of them.

What would work, is have a "winner" for each of the timezones.
Make it faction based, with a guild (and therefore the members) declaring for a faction.
Make it a distinct "step" in guild evolution:
(creation)->(cape)->(declare)->(hall)

the game would then only allow the winning faction entrance. Sorted.

Only one problem I see, keeping "balanced" sides.

As once a guild declares, it's "fixed", the way people would exploit the setup is to leave the current guild, and join one that is currently "in favour", so make it that you can't join if thats the case.

And to try and keep it balanced on a per guild basis, the cost of declaring is steeper for a faction that already has a lot of guilds.

Would need a few more "features" to make sure it rotated, but good idea?

My Guild is an american guild. I am not going to go on to the europe servers because i wouldnt be able to play with them. The international districts usually have no people in them and that means no people to fill a spot for our team.

No, that's true only for an individual match. There are countless Tombs matches going on simultaneously. It's more like 200 guilds from Korea, 180 from America and 10 from Europe are fighting at the same time. Let's assume they are all evenly skilled - what do you think are the odds that an EU team will win the Halls?

It would be possible for europe to hold the favor. Though europe is devided. I myself am from the Netherlands and I oftenly see Dutch people spammin they want to have ONLY dutchies in there team (the dutch and english share the same districts, french, german, italian and spanish speaking countrys have got other districts). The same is with germans, frenchies and UK'ers. Often they cant stand eachother. Though what they do not realize is that Europe needs to get the favor, we are aurope and we are on the same side.
Now for Americans and Koreans, they dont have this issue (maybe a bit, but believe me in europe this is a real problem...).

I myself dont care, I am in a european guild (though we do have one Ausie :P). Yes we need to talk english and I dont mind, why would i not speak english though I have the knowledge to do so? French and Germens rather wont, because there just ignorent (not all of them though, dont get me wrong). The English cant help it, they just dont speak any other language. And for the spanish and italian, well havent spoken to any of them (because of teh other districts...)

If it is going to stay this way, and we keep being devided like this it will take much and much and much longer for us to actualy team up and get that favor.

And for the people who leave the european servers? Are you that lazy? Cant stand the chalange, well then I dont want you on our servers anyway!

So useless to try and convince scared europeans. No matter which argument they prefer being a sitting duck and chickening out. What the hell do i care if there are 200 other teams fighting at the same moment in DIFFERENT Instances? Do they bother me? No, not at all. I'll just fight the better ones of those in the Hall of Heroes.
And if everyone is evenly skilled... yes what? They are evenly skilled than and fight each other in the hall of heroes. No fricking winning of those 200 or 100 teams. I am just not facing those so why should i care at all? I've got nothing to do with all the other battles.
The only thing that does matter is the individual Team and which way to take to kill the enemy team. And why should i divide between Koreans, Europeans or Americans. As you yourself put, they can all be evenly skilled... so WHY exactly should i fear anyone of those? If not for cheating they can just only do the same things as i could do too.
But yes, you're yet another proof that the REAL reason why europe almost never has favor is the reason europe is simply chickening out and waiting and whining and crying and complaining and bitching for someone ELSE to help them out. But instead of putting up a fight... all you see europe doing is this:

We need more players!!!!
PVP Is so unfair bohohoooo!!!
Faction is sooooo biased bohohooooo!!!
Only the other realms can get fast exp bohohoooo!!!
There are so many evil guys around us boohooooo (when in fact they only face a few of those)!!!

Feli, you should not be so offensive.
It IS true europe is outnumbered (and not just a small bit, but I mean massivly outnumbered)
it IS true we have had seriuos amount of lagg
it IS true europeans go to other terretorys

On the other hand, people just keep on crying about it instead of thinking up a good solution. Would it do us good if all the europeans which ran away to the other terretorys join us again? No it would not because they suck anyway (or else they would have get us the favor, instead of running away).

And just one more thing, most of the europeans are not bitching about it, they dont care and they like the challange. You just dont hear them and now you asume everyone in Europe is crying. You should be at the Temple of Ages when Europe almost got the favor (which odly is always when most of the europeans are to bed and more Americans get online :O). Its always lots of fun to see Europeans cheering "Go Europe, you can do it". If it was possible about all of them would get a bottle of champain ready . So I am not saying Europe sucks, and you better not screw us up cause Europe rules in its own way.
You will see we will make it eventualy, even when badly outnumbered!

I'm so offensive because nothing else will awaken the chicken attitude of europe... sadly. Yes i've been to the temple of ages just before europe has gotten or lost favor. It is nice to see the PVErs cheer about that and it really makes someone feel like he accomplished something if his team was succesful in gaining the favor.
Why europe moreover has the favor during nighttime? That is because the eastern parts of the european realm are awake and starting to PVP and they have atleast one advantage over other typical west european teams. They simply don't chicken out. If i recall it correctly the amount of players in the eastern parts of the european realm is even lower. I once heard a russian player say they have like 100-200 people playing Guildwars from Russia in TOTAL. Yet still, the russian players were gaining the favor quite frequently. How is this possible, i ask of all of thee... if we are outnumbered and stand absolutely no chance like some people say, how the hell could that happen that those few folks got europe the favor?
Are they good? Yes. Are they uber? No. Could any west european team do the same with the same amount of dedication. YES!!!! It takes ONE team. One single damn good team to get europe the favor. No need for 300 teams, all that counts is one team.

I'm surprised they haven't just changed the name of the three main servers (or split 1 server to make a total of four) and give them non-real world names. When a player creates a new character have them select one of the new servers instead of just placing them on the basis of geographical location. *HOPEFULLY* You'll see an intermingling of Americans, Europeans and Koreans on one server. Just make sure they keep the language districts active for each respective language.

On the whole Europeans in American server topic, I have no problem with that at all. I find that most of the Euro players are actually pretty good when compared with a majority of American players (PvP ofcourse) and when teaming with these players, I find that most of them can contribute hugely, even if they have a weak grasp of english.

BTW I didn't read through all the posts so I don't know if my suggestion has already been posted, if so...sorry.

It wouldn't take long until PvE people migrated to whichever server has the favour most. Cosmetic chages won't resolve the situation, the WaW concept is broken and either needs to be fixed or abondoned. Someone on the GWOnline forums suggested an algorithm that holding the favour should be time-based. That means that if you win the favour for your server you can't loose it for a specific time and this time is dependant on how long your server didn't have the favour before winning it again. I liked the idea because it would guarantee an equal distribution of favour. For instance if europe didn't have the favour for one week they would get it for one week once they win tombs.

What I still don't like is the attitude here and on other GW forums. Many people believe that you should force players into game modes which you don't like. PvE players fight for PvE unlocking although PvP players hate it and other groups opt for the link between favour and UW /FoW although many PvE players are not interested in PvP. It's really sad because most problems GW has nowadays stem from this attitude.

Your entire model of gaining favor in an outnumbered situation is based on the assumption that EU can put a team (or a small number of teams) together which is SIGNIFICANTLY better than anything that Korea or the US might muster. Yes, if you could do that you might have a situation where these small number of players might get the favor regulary, because they can beat anyone anytime.

But...

...that's a very dumb assumption to make.

Your argument is very dumb. Fact. Don't like your arguments getting called dumb? Don't do it then.
Do the Koreans have to put up teams which are destroying the other teams? No. Do the Americans have to put up teams which are destroying the other teams? No. So why oh bloody hell, should europe have to? That is just nonsense.
Take a random team of 8 players(friends). Force them to play Tombs one week long, two hours each day. Everyday in the same team with the same people. By the end of the week they have seen all trendwh_ore builds in Tombs and the Hall of Heroes. It will take about one day of combined brainpower to work out a counter to it and start fighting for real. Watch them get the favor a few days or more. Then watch the counters to THEIR Strategy flowing in. Watch them adapt... et voila we have a team that can put up a fight and get europe the favor. All it takes is a bit of dedication.

You don't need to be ubergood to pull of something. By YOUR argument you're assuming the other teams are perfect. Nothing is perfect and especially in guildwars there is a counter to everything. But once again this is what i am saying all the time. Europeans chicken out. And your post my friend is yet another proof. You can stop with those now though, i know europe is "teh suxx0r" when it comes to morale and initiative.

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To make it clear, i don't want the PVErs to make PVP. Hell, let them do what they want. I do both and can really understand them. I am speaking about the PVPers in Europe who are so fricking affraid of other teams they probably lose due to real bad morale.

Fact??? So go ahead and prove me wrong! Produce a team that can win HoH every time it enters (or even 75% of the time). As long as you can't do that (AND YOU CAN'T, RIGHT?), I will stick to what I said. Period.

Also, I never said Europe has worse PvP players than US or Korea. They don't. EU teams DO win the HoH after all. But yes, I am saying that Europe doesn't and will never have BETTER players either. This IS a very safe assumption to make, won't you agree? This in combination with the (proveable) FACT that there are MANY MORE players outside Europe will result in Europe having favor approximately for the same percentage of the time as their player base is (which is what happens).

You are planning to learn and train to get better at PvP so that you can beat your opponent? I tell you a secret: US and Korean teams are doing the same! Thinking that the best 50 European teams could be significantly better then the best 50 US and Korean teams would be quite arrogant (if you prefer this word over "dumb").

In short: Heroes don't win wars, soldiers do. EU has less soldiers, so they will lose that war. It's as easy as that.

Ummm... I have to agree with Fantus. While it is true that any one team going into the HoH has a chance of winning, it's also true that more teams for each country result in more chances to win, therefore countries with alot of players have an immediate advantage. If at a given time hypothetical server A has 30,000 people online, server B 25,000 people online, and server C has 10,000 people online, then, statistically, servers A and B would win a bit under 50% of the time each, while server C would win about 1/6 of the time. That puts the players of server C at a natural disadvantage, much like Europe. It's not a problem that can be solved by putting together a few good teams each night. Why does China have so many more Olympic metals than Jamaca? It might be because the Jamacans aren't trying hard enough, but I doubt it's that simple

i dont like it, but Feli is so attired in Quality, so i have to.

lets take a look at the 3 teams maps:

A = American team K = Korean team E= European team

A
A
E -> A wins because they teamup

K
K
A -> K wins because they teamup

K
A
A -> A wins

K
A
E -> E wins

E
K
K -> K wins

A
A
A -> A get one free (!)

A
A
A -> A get one free (!)

A
k
k -> k win

E
A
K -> E wins

----next fights:---

A
K
A -> A wins because they teamup

A
E
E -> E wins because the team up (they lost 50% of the Tombteams)

K
A
K -> K wins


E have to win 3 times with 4 teams
K have to win 3 times with 9 teams
A have to win 3 times with 14 teams

The reason why quantity counts are the 1vs1vs1 maps. I rarly see american teams win in a row. it is more like

team a wins and keeps the favor for america
team c wins and keeps the favor for america
team e wins and keeps the favor for america
team a wins and keeps the favor for america

There are to few European teams to make a difference. Only if one is good enough to win against 2 teams, europe will get the favour.

I know this is an example and please tell me if im wrong but i think this is the point.

But in my view this could be fixed by virtual factions instead of real life boundaries.

As i said, the will to lose is sticking deep in the european players. Why do you have to win EVERYtime? WHY do you think someone must be the "uber extremz0r ownage" to fight there? That is just nonsense. The teams in the hall of heroes are often mediocre, if not really bad. No matter which realm.

You win some, you lose some, you adapt. You win some more, you lose some more, you adapt again. A constant flow. But just assuming the koreans and americans are allways superior is.. utter... bullshit.

And guess what, right now i am waiting for a few friends to come back from holiday. Plan some more time into getting the final few skills left to unlock and expect us to do just what i said. Play and adapt and win enough to gain favor during europes peak times.
And i am very confident we can do that. If not we, we might encourage other teams to stop their ultra morale suckage.

But you (the one above me, the one wo wanted to call my arguments dumb and many others in this thread, along with MANY more europeans in the game) are so fricking used to get owned, you go in there and WANT to get owned. Just so you can say it is useless to fight... army of surrender. But other than in the common known saying it is not the french army, but the european army which should be called army of surrender (with great shame). But what is it with europe? Europe even takes PRIDE in whining how useless everything is, thats just weird.

About the fact thing, well. I have nothing to say "fact". But you have neither. If you still did not get my point in that its hopeless anyways. Hint: Instead of expecting me to put up a fact to backup YOUR argument. Why not go and show me it is impossible to get favor? Because that would include you'd have to give up the "europe will never get favor" attitude and i'm sure you are not ready for that are you?
I say try it, while you say don't try it, its hopeless. Which of both ways will get europe the favor? Make a guess. You're either honest or you still insist on begging A.net to change something.

And once again, even though i'm sure you will still not get it.
It is neither the population which is denying europe the favor, nor is it the amount of top players. It is solely and simple said a very simple three word sentence.
"Crappy european morale"

About Mayar third Keeper Argument... this is a thing where another bad habit of europe prevents a win. Even if there are 2 korean or american teams, it would take them some time to forge a pact against europe. Otherwise they never know if the others just won't backstab them. And Europe is giving them that time by just trying to wait it out everytime.

The best teams i've seen on 1 vs 1 vs 1 scenarios are those which don't wait it out, but instantly steamroll another team. When the other team appears as well. Well, fire some spells into their direction too so they simply don't know which side attacked them. Don't give them time. Don't give them the opportunity to attack and force you into defense. Don't react. ACT!

It's not called "whining", it's called "math".

But since you are obviously not able or willing to understand anything I am saying, I will end this discussion now.

It's called whining the second you hurry over to boards and beg Arena.net to change it. And math is nice and whatever, but math doesn't apply to all parts of life.

But since YOU are obviously not able or willing to understand my point, even after giving you argument after argument with NOT A SINGLE argument from your side... besides some made up facts and wannabe saviour math.
I seriously doubt you'll ever understand. Go on, live in fear of the koreans and americans then. Thank you, they'll say. It's cowards and people with a zero morale attitude like you who help them win.

P.S.:
Discussion is based upon arguments and counter-arguments. All you did was call my arguments dumb and ignore them alltogether. So which discussion exactly do you want to end again?

A little off-topic: That's not true. Most of our reality (probably all of it) can be described with math.

Europeans are no cowards, where did you ever get that idea? Never asume that Europeans are afraid. They rather dont give a crap then be afraid. And why in hell would they be afraid!? Its a game for crying out loud!

And I dont care whatever you say, we are outnumbered. But do we care? No just a few of us do, most of us just play the game.

[EDIT]
As a programmer I agree :P.

ROTFL

As a matter of fact it does.

Thanks for attacking me personally. Read my posts carefully again and you will see that I ALWAYS attacked only your arguments, not your person. Grow up, kid! Get some manners!

Above I was announcing my intent to leave to American servers and you attacked me for it. THAT discussion I am going to end.

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You've ever been to the tombs? You'd know they ARE cowards: or as you are all so obsessed with mathematics. Take 10 european teams based upon 8 players. Out of those 10 teams 9 will start to panic when their opponent is either Korean or American. Out of those 9 panicing teams, 6 Teams will be dealing with leavers on their side because people are too affraid to fight Korean and prefer going back to the outpost and re-engage in hope of not fighting Koreans.
What exactly is this, if not cowardish?

See above.


I'm 22 years old, bad luck here i guess. Go again and try to flame me differently as this one obviously did not achieve your intention. Instead you might as well go back and think why you were so incredibly pissed about being called a person with zero morale when it comes to tombs. Maybe because it is true? You know it is.

If YOU read again what I wrote you'd see that people leaving for the American Servers are either PVErs (and i don't care if they do it) or PVPers (and as such, poor and simply cowards). Which are you? If you're the first of it, you weren't even meant. Yet you still kept calling my arguments dumb (and as an indirect assumption calling ME dumb. Yes, i read between the lines). If you're the second... you're a weak coward. Yes, i'm saying this as it is. At the simple glance of competition you switch sides to be in the typical winning team.
No matter where you are and what you are doing, that is just lame. If you do it in real life you're a damn traitor. If you do it in first person shooters you're a damn winning team joiner and often kickbanned for that. If you do it in strategy games you're a damn winning team joiner. If you do it in Guildwars you're a hero? Uhm... no you're not. You're a damn cowardish winning team joiner.

and out of how many panicing teams you listed, how many of THOSE are going to be mostly made up of teenagers and between 10 and 18 somethings?

its normal for some of them to not want to loose, they take stuff like that way to serious like.

and, at the risk of being a generilst, most of what you say sounds like a teenage american kid who is 100% sure of the good ole USA being the absolute be all and end all of his life.
people from europe are not cowardly, simply because some of them do understand when to cut thier lossess and run in games.
and some of us will keep trying to win, even if its hopeless and are going to get bagged every singel time.

its less about courage and cowardess as to numbers.
and go take part in some game or sport that you are outnumbered in, do it for a month, repetitively and come back and tell us how you feel then. you might change your mind, but then again you might not.

Î'm from europe and 22 years old, so bad luck on that insult you tried there (you know teenage kid and stuff). But you should have known as some other person failed with the same insult allready. Or did you not read? I'm assuming its a bit of both.
Why are you not replying to my arguments, feared and panicing ones? It is because they are true? I know they are. And you obviously know it as well, else you wouldn't try to insult me in the good old very used internet way of trying to call me a kiddie. But just saying it is because those are younger players is bullshit.

So let us state the facts (which you obviously even agreed too... ironic isn't it? Yet you still wanted to oppose my point... thats just plain weird).




Europe wants the favor (good)
Europe is really happy when it has the favor (good)
9/10 European Teams have people who quit a PVP Battle right away when the opponent is korea or america (bad)
Europe is convinced they are inferior for some made up reasons (bad)
Europe thinks they stand no chance against mediocre Korean or American Teams (very bad)
Europe is emigrating to other realms because they are affraid they actually would have to do something for their favor (very bad)
Europe is constantly whining in the forums and ask Arena.net to fix the mess they caused themselves (poor)

Now let us all face it, and try to be honest at least ONCE.

Europe wants the favor really bad, but instead of going and actually fighting for it, they put their heads into some sand dunes and hope for it to be over soon.
True or not?
I say true and i have put quite a LOT of arguments.
You say not true, but failed to give a single argument (all of you who try to bash me and fail so miserably)

And about numbers. You are simply not outnumberes in Guildwars. Prove me wrong, no one of you did. When exactly are you and your team outnumbered again? In that 1 on 1 scenario? In that 1on1on1 scenario? Only in the last of those two there is a very small chance of being outnumbered if you don't attack straight away and of give them time to make up pacts.
Why do you even care about what the other teams do at the same time? Let it be 5000 teams against 1 european team. As long as those don't fight on the same map (and they simply don't do so) you are far from being outnumbered.

You don't have to be the uber professional to have a chance of winning in the hall of heroes. You know... there are other bad teams too. I don't believe europe is really that narrow minded in the head to understand that.

And yes, it is cowardess to leave a pvp battle right away when the other team is a korean team. They might own you miserably or you actually might own them real bad. Yet europe allways chickens out and runs home. What is this? It is neither pride nor bravery and it is no common sense.
Which losses are you collecting again? What exactly do you lose when they own you real bad? Maybe 3-4 Minutes of your life, boohoo... what a loss, let's all give up and cry arena.net a river so you can get over it while the two other realms are laughing at how europe behaves every time.

Everybody has a favorite type
it happens that statistically, some "types" are prefered over others
therefore if you are from that type, you have more chances to be "loved" (to please)
(and I'm not even talking about the probability to find you future wife/husband in high school or at work)

statistics are maths
statistics can be applied to just everything

statistically, having 10 americans (or 10 koreans) fight against 1 european, there is a bigger chance that the european will lose

but that's just stats
of course the european could just defeat everyone

Since most of these things are chemical reactions in the nervous system I'm pretty sure that even abstract things as love can be described with math, although it lacks the romantic touch

Don't ask me how though. I was never very attentive during chemisty class

Luck is an exception because even physicist can't decide whether it exists. As far as I know there may be (arguably) random occurences on a quantum level but it does not match with the observation on a makroscopic level where everything seems to have a causal effect.

This is not true. You are so very much overexagerating. Yes there are quitters, but not 9 out of 10... Yes it happens though not this often. If it does happen to you then I wonder...
This is not true at all, some do. You keep saying ALL of us are afraid, which is not true at all. Most of us just see them as other people wanting to play a game. And most that do get afraid are the younger ones. And what if they do, even when one guy leaves you can make a chance (a remote one, but there still is).
Not bad at all, I don't even want them really...
I agree totally, not their problem but ours, try to enjoy the challenge. I mean isn't it great when we do have favor for just once in a while. For the US or Korea it is less nice because it happens every hour or so .
I am always honest, that's my lifestyle .

Not true, not all Europeans do, the ones that complain are always the once you see. But these are lot less then the ones actually not doing it. And if you do not call this an argument.
And I would like to add that you are complaining too, or you are trying to wake people up. Both have a negative background. And to inspire people to do something you must not shout at them but help them. Negativity will only make it worse.

How big is the chance that you win from all of these. This does outnumber you, because you have to fight the best of this entire group. Its just a fact that they have more of chance to have a better team, on the other hand it does not render our chances too zero, which lot of people think. So we CAN win, just try, learn from any mistakes and try again. Remember, your supposed to do this for fun.

True

This negativity will never inspire anybody because people do not like to be cowards (even when they are). And once again not all teams do. For the once that do, yes I disagree with them and hope they maybe want to listen too people that say that there always is a slight possibility that you can win.

Just one more thing Feli. Lighten up, people listen to people that show the bright path that people can follow not the dark path which they should not. Try to give your posts a more positive spin to it, believe me that works a lot better then biatching at people (even when they biatch at you).

One big problem on our european servers is the communication, because everyone's just joining the english channels, weather they speak it or not. That is annoying.
The other regions shouldn't have too many problems with the communication in random parties and that's a big advantage.

If you fight with a team and the communication is good, then losing is half as bad (you can adjust tactics) as losing with a team that doesn't understand each other, because that's just frustrating.

This makes moving to the american servers very tempting.

/Not Signed

If we can go to there servers, they should be able to come to ours. One of my best friends is from UK.

what is it with people and resurrecting *really* old threads?

They want to practice death magic and become a Necromancer when they grow up.

How about we combine America and Europe together, and then the Asian countries together and make it Asia vs The World! Would be fair...

Oh... so THAT's how old it is. Fair point art. I'd like to point out that this issue has kinda been resolved already, what with us Europeans having favour every day. *evil laughter* I like Europe