Online Player Numbers as of July 2005 - PC Zone Magazine

Originally Posted by Kaylee Ann

Unfortunately YOU don't understand the math. First of all, if you even read the damn article, you would understand that 27,000 != the number of players in that region, so your math of 65000+27000 is wrong already.

Also, I will agree with your logic on what an estimate is. Unfortunately for an estimate to be believable it has to fit a certain margin of error. I can accept a 10% margin, hell even a 20% one. But, there is an easy possibility of a 100% margin of error. That is pretty damn unacceptable in my eyes.

And yes, you are right, people have stopped playing GWs. But you can't just make up figures and apply them to a total and have it be a reliable source of information in any way, shape, or form. NCSoft isn't releasing figures on how many people are playing the game, and how many are not, so your 'estimate' is based off of purely fictional BS.

Originally Posted by Yen-lo-wang

Again, you misread what I said...

I wasn't specific enough when I was talking about players being bored there, though I think I hit it more in my first post. These folks have finished the game, maybe several times, but aren't the self-proclaimed die-hard that you are. They've done it all, or at least as much as they could... and they wait for more, and move on to other things. But once that "more" comes out, they come around again and play that "more" till that runs out, then they wait again. Classic, basic gamer.

On pessimism:

I meant pessimisitic on the game's future, not on your own take on the game... you seem to be doom-and-gloom about it, despite practically yelling that you are a patriot to the game.

Originally Posted by Yen-lo-wang

Chill for a sec and read what he said:



He (and the article) CLEARLY state "the number of players in the region", and you say that's the sales number. While the two are related, they are not the same.

Originally Posted by PhineasToke

Numbers don't lie. If they don't sell 1,000,000 GW in the first quarter, by the end of the fiscal year next March, we may not be having this conversation about GW. Maintaining new players interest is not the hope for new content, but the quality of the game's content. Being practical, I have every right to be pessimistic and concerned.

Originally Posted by Yen-lo-wang

When I said, inflated sales figures, I didn't mean FRADULENT sales figures. I meant that there were more sales than there would have been otherwise.

As for advertising:

NCSoft is established, but small and has been concentrating on pimping COH/COV more than GW. Anet is BRAND NEW. They put EVERYTHING into developing GW, and didn't have a lot left for advertising it beyond E3 and various pimpings from game sites. *my god, I actually used the word "pimping" twice in one paragraph...*

And I understand the economic viewpoint quite well actually. MS and EA were looong established companies that could afford all the advertising they wanted and more, and could afford to have a miss since they've had so many successes in the past. Anet? This is their first game; understandably, they put more money into making this game NOT be a miss than into advertising it.

Just be patient, as more comes out and they start reaching some points of relative balance, they can advert more... patience is the key.

Again, we ARE small, yes. For now. We're also in the top 5 currently played MMO's (since GW is technically classified as an MMO). That's pretty damn impressive for a startup game with little advertising. And again, we're still growing.