Here: How to Fix PvE

we were just having fun, you didn't need to be rude about it. play along maybe? try not taking the game so seriously next time.

We use Team Arena purely for farming faction. Therefore, grief builds, such as spirit blocking, are quite annoying and simply a waste of time.

Don't forget that if he fails to kill that NPC within say, 30 seconds, he just disappears from the map and you get XP for him.

While this thread is good for a laugh I hope you weren't being serious, some people play PvE for the soul purpose that they hate that sort of shit that goes on in most PvP.

I'm assuming it was a joke though, and I can laugh at that.

I don't PvP at all and have no plans on doing it. Setting up PvE to prepare people for PvP is silly. If people want to get better at PvP, they can go PvP.

Hahaha... Well played, BlackAce.

/signed for best thread ever.

You're turning PvE into PvP with your suggestions.

First of all: You said you wanted to rid the game of pre-searing. Pre-searing can be fun, its a good place to learn the game, and its a great place to get some quick levels in.

Your next suggestion, saying that "every" mob should have one-two monk BOSSES??? Why should every mob have a monk BOSS? Maybe you just meant a monk??? And with energy management abilities? All creatures either use creature-only skills, or the classes their set class uses. Creatures do not 'dual-class', and if they did... it would be chaos for both the AI and players alike.

The next thing I would like to address:
Completely untrue. You must be the biggest noob ever. Fertile season is overpowered, and nature's renewal is completely broken... both are just unfair. Although, not every pvp team needs these, or should even bring these... Don't make such a bold statement.

Next you want a ranger that spams spirits, uses oath shot, and poisons everything? Ok, so you want apply poison on that ranger... you want it to poison everything while it's laying down spirits... and to get oath shots off... that's a lot of micro on one little monster's AI...

You want E/Mo smiters as PvE monsters too!!! WTF? PvE will become PvP against AI's... People who do not have an elite guild to help them out will be screwed... "PUG" PvE groups will suck!!! And wtf... PvE groups are almost all PuG, and this is why people never refer to them as PuGs...

You want mesmers in the groups too... energy denial now... looking a lot more like pvp...

Finally, a necro with putrid and tainted... So let's put this all together:

Every group should have 2 monk bosses to heal, an e/mo smiter, a couple mesmers with energy denial, a necromancer with putrid and tainted, and a spirit spammer: a total of 6 or more creatures... each one with 1 or more elite... Since everyone will be poisoned and diseased (tainted and apply) your team will have 8 degen... the creatures have so much removal that its hard to get your regen up... they shut down your healers so you're healing less... every PvE group now needs 3 compitent (or 6 random crappy) monks... lol

This makes PvE a PvP... it brings the underworld and fissure combined into the world above... this takes tombs and make it look laughably easy to win in...

Think before you post a thread like this. You're saying you want every group to have creatures with lots of elites, dual classes, perfect AI's with perfect pvp builds, and ready for a 12v8 (your team is the 8) where they have everything you have and more... dream on...

The problem, which Blackace alludes to, is that ANet advertised a product that was PvP focused and supposed to be PvP ready out of the box. What they delievered was a mixed bag, with aspects that appealed to both PvE and PvP players. Now we can debate the merits of that finished product all we want, but what it comes down to is... did ANet deliever what they advertised/promised?

I finally came to this conclusion today and it really does fit the puzzle. The only thing ANet did "wrong" was it did not release the product they advertised. They released a great product, no doubt about it. But it's not the product that many in the PvP community were expecting. And THAT is the source of the complaints IMO.

Tell me your character names so I can avoid you.

It's called rushing. Any character can skip 90% of PvE if they find it dull.

Canadian you have got to be kidding....

If I missed a post that showed canadian kidding, I'm sorry, bu... WOW....

Some of these suggestions are interesting... in moderation.

There is too much that needs changing. I'm saying that his suggestions are just crazy... he wants to turn PvE into PvP...

His general intentions and what he wants are great... but the specific suggestions he has would ruin the game.

[edit] I see people don't like what I said. Please address each thing I said individual with a reason, and I'll go over it... I'm not perfect, but I'm just addressing the original poster's comments as being too much... it would change the game in a negative way. [/edit]

Canadian either you're totally dumb, or you have no sense of humour. I hope for you it's the second one.

Blackace made a semi-ironic thread and you're taking it to the first degree...

With your own words : think before you post.

Don't let the sarcasm of Blackace's post get lost on anyone.

It was tongue-in-cheek post. Let's just keep it friendly and not turn this into yet another "I hate ANet" thread OR a flame barrage against those that might have missed the original intent, 'k?

I didn't realise it was all a joke... Just thought he was an idiot. I see the humor in it now... but it's hard to tell... really... I just know too many idiots. And, please, don't humor me with "you know yourself, haha".

IC, well I can't be sorry for anything... but I can be pissed off at the people who were calling me an idiot for assuming you were serious. Never seen your posts in my life, mostly because I only use this forum for checking out buy and sell... and guild listings and such.

So many good points, do you think A-net can get them all in the game before the summer update? I hope so!



Heh, nice post. *nod*

The day I see Edge of Extinction and Putrid Explosion from enemy AI will be the day I laugh. XD

If only that was true...

Any PVE players still don't understand PVP players not wanting to play PVE to unlock skills (see the reverse situation) or how there might be balance problems ?

Then please think about such an update.... and if you don't see the results, the funny canadian summarized them for you


Awesome post Blackie

Edit : oh, about that PVE is training for PVP thing... we can maybe assume it might have been the idea originally (= advertising GW as a mainly PVP game wasn't a blatant lie), but it's quite obvious that even if that was the case, the direction has now changed, like on grinding requirement (cf. Alex' post, etc), most probably because someone there said that the PVE-liking players were too big of a market share to lose... and now you have 2 half-assed parts ?

Wait, there IS a place in PvE where one of your teammates can get airspiked: At the very end of Abbadon's Mouth. Ever had a smartass W/Mo with mending and a sword charge in all Leeroy style, using sprint to make sure he's out of the range of your heals, and POW, smoking crater?

-edit-

Oh, right, to the OP: HA AHA HA HA AHA HA so true

Now if they REALLY want to make it reflect PvP, they gotta make those ranger mobs slow on their distracting shots, rather than interrupting instant-cast spells thru glyph of sacrifice (Yes, I tested it and it happened), oh and yeah, have them run up next to you, throwdirt, whirling defense, dust trap, barbed trap, kite, kite, kite, kite.

Also, if they want to reflect random 4v4, they gotta have at least 1 or 2 monk bosses that run protective bond, balthazar's spirit, and essence bond, a team of mobs with a lifebonding monk, etc.






...wait.

Actually, to get REALISTIC, I think a really creative thing for ANet to do to PvE is allow dual-classed mobs, and more than 4 skills on a boss.

congrats slugger you made a bunch of forum nerds laugh

you win the internets

lol, five stars

Hehe, always one cynic in denial in every party.

However, it is also funny to see mobs do stupid things, just like noobs, and give you a easyer time than if they played smart.

So I suggest that mobs have random skills, for each mob you have preferred, "normal", disliked and "barred" skill picks. For example: charr would have fire preferred, and water barred. The Elite should be based upon the boss in the area that matches one of the classes.

However, add some extra thought to the selection, every time that a critter beats a player, all it's skills gain a point. And every time a critter gets whupped, they loose a point. Not the critters, his skills. Then, when new critters are spawned, the points for skills skew the result. So mobs tend to use skills that work ... now that would make things interesting.

Lot of pretty good suggestions

And I am nearly serious actually! More monks in mob would make the game more interesting and give mesmer a better role. I'd dare to say it would make the game more interesting in PvE, which is good in and for itself. Even if it does not train for PvP, that would be good!


However... Most PvErs would tell you that AI is already good enough as far as un enchanting and un hexing capacity go. No need for nature renawal, AI cast Rend and Chiblains like there is no tomorrow. As soon as you see a mesmer or a necro, you know the critter got enchant removal...
The one thing AI does not handle well is condition removal; and that is somehow related to no monk.

Also: quite a few AI Necro got putrid, and they use it decently. I wish they had Nova too

So yep, Bring in the healing/ protection monk in PvE ! A hell lot more of them!

And more multiclass group.

Whether it's good for PvP or not, that's an open question, but that would make PvE more challenging, and am all for that.

Louis,

Hmm, i miss the days when posts like these could be taken seriously. Honestly, just using pvp and GW in the same sentence means sarcasm these days


Great post though... truth ... sarcasm ... humor ... prepare to get banned.

/on a serious note: turning GW pve into pseudo-pvp would be a great idea. You know, where skill time > time, and where farming dumb mobs does not give you 20x the rewards/h as "regular gameplay" in boring missions like thunderhead.

Pre-Searing is the part of the game I, being a PvE player, liked most. I was shocked to find out that I no longer could solo without henchmen in Post-Searing. The monk UW build posted some weeks ago gave me back the feeling of having fun in the game, since it enabled me to do some parts of maps like I did in Pre-Searing: with only 1 chr!

No, PvE is certainly NOT meant to prepare for PvP! Anet is clear about this: They understand the differend needs of PvP and PvE players and they support both ways of gaming. Its simply up to us how to play.

I think for the moment maps are too crowded with creatures only meant to stop botting. Its walking around, seeing a mob patrolling, and than just before you reach them there's a hidden monster(group) with dispelling/poison/whatever abillities. Same pattern over and over again. More variations are needed to make PvE gameplay interesting.

Mods: Sticky this please.

Does anybody else think that ANet will take this post more seriously than PvP concerns?

Oh, /clap for Blackace. Kickass post, kickass thread.

This thread should be stickied.

Oh, you're forgetting, when the players arrive in an area and ettins and tengu are beating the crap out of each other, they stop, tell each other to gang up on the players.

Have some mobs consist of 2-3 Arena Ra/Mos that keep running around rezzing their whole mob back up to full strength. Have some mobs w/ that ranger have monsters leave early.

Have groups of monsters with 2 Fast Casting Mesmers and 2-3 Death Necros that have roughly 105 health to begin with. Because waves of minions are great fun.

How about a prot monk that puts up bonds and spellbreaker, balth spirit, and then his fellow monster casts nature's renewal all over the place?

Good thread.

EDIT: Just for kicks and giggles I decided to copy and paste Blackace's original post into Gaile's "State of the Game" thread and made it a request. I credited Blackace a couple times in the post and quoted the whole thing.

Hope you don't mind.

And that's about where I stopped reading.

/laugh

Although, the monk suggestion would be pretty nice.

Some more elements of puzzle involved, like kill the wrong mob and the will blow on a horn that makes the enxt mob drop a gate or something. PUZZLES - somthing with clues and takes thought and makes it interesting. From the screenshots it seems like the new areas have potential for this.

Too bad for you. Maybe if you had a sense of humor, you'd have enjoyed it.

I love how horribly offended PvE players are getting over this. Apparently no one read the numerous articles/listened to the interviews stating that Guild Wars was competition-focused. Instead, the reaction was basically "What's this? A Free MMORPG! All my prayers have been answered! *buy*"

Blackace being nice? Isn't that one of the first signs of the apocalypse? Repent, the end of days are near.

Blahahaahaha.

*catches breath*

Hahahahahaaaaaaa....

Okay Okay i'm fine now. =]

Now on to more serious matters:

I see the point that blackace is trying to make (or at least I hope so). Plainly put: PvE is boring. You use the same tactics with generally the same class (Where are the necros and mesmers?) for almost every mission. Pull, tank, nuke.. rinse and repeat.

I think PvE would be more interesting if the missions were different and enemy units interact better in battle. For example, include quests/missions that have users do different things or have scenarios that would divide the group. Make it so that necros and mesmers are useful but don't make the missions so dependent that they can't be completed without them. It'll be neat to see an elementalist and a necro team up to do a particular task while having the warrior and mesmer do something else that would pave the way for the monk and ranger to complete the mission. It would really make things interesting.

Although i think the monk boss thing is a little too extreme, I do feel that adding aggressive "bosses" who utilize more of their skills would add spice and challenge to the game...

OR better yet, multiple boss like enemies that work together like an actual party. The enemy party can call focus fire, disrupt and nuke like a normal team. It would be awesome to see a group of NPC warriors "sprint" to attack our casters using frenzy and spamming andrenal-based attacks. In the mean time, the enemy's mesmer is interrupting our healers and their rangers crippling our warriors.

EDIT: Current in-game mini bosses suck nuts... really big ones. =[ Might as well make them regular enemies if they're that bad.

Oh oh also, add a quest where an NPC calls targets and if you don't down targets in the order called, you're transported back to town. And you won't be able to progress anywhere until this quest is done.

Great post, I second the motion to stickie.

Hurray for tunnel vision. By design, the pvp side is forced to run through pve for skills, mods and runes in order to be effective. So looking at it from that perspective, it is there to prepare for pvp. To people who dont pvp, then it doesnt matter because it changes nothing regarding the experience.

Yay, more people feeling threatened by ideas.

If something like what he suggested actually made the pve challenging, then it would be more interesting and a benefit to the pve experience. This is regardless of any after effects it would bring towards people who choose to play the pvp side as well.

I dont know, this strikes me as someone who didnt like one of the well done sequences within the pve where you must fight a pvp match in order to advance in the plot line. Oops, i guess your plan was foiled while trying to play the pve segment of the game.

People get better at designing builds as they are able to experiement with different skill combinations and tactics. This can occur anywhere, not just within pvp and is a fundamental within the game.

I realize the sarcasm involved, but i do hope that new pve content does attempt to blend pvp into it, giving it some form of purpose or a reason to exist in the first place. Perhaps even taking it a step further to have the pvp affect other segments of the game, similar to the temple of the ages, but not based off of regional server victories. This would add some form or function towards replayability and lessen the tediom somewhat. The pve segement within the tomb of the primeval king is a nice touch, but it feels more like a new person filter instead of something to really blend the two styles together.

Imagine if you couldn't do any mission/quest/whatever in the game unless your country had favor. I wonder how many of those 'I hate pvp or I have no intention to pvp or I don't see the point ect ect' people would start PvPing......

Oh yeah, and the next time you want to PvE in the underworld or fissure, and a guild has to go win the halls for you to do it, just remember those same PvPers trying to make the game a better place are doing it for you, since you don't have any intention of ever trying.....

It would be funny to see the PvErs cry if the American PvPers went on strike for a month and let Korea dominate the halls.... OMG NO FISSURE OR UNDERWORLD FOR YOU!