I see alot of people around who seem to think, or seem to be trying to spread the impression that Anet will never come out with PvP or PvE updates. Where does this attitude come from? Do you honestly think they will never realise the other chapters or free updates in an effort to make you quit the game?
I'de like to hear a defined answer on this. If the updates aren't comming, and Anet doesn't want them to come, what's going to happen?
If Anet Isn't going to make any updates, what are they going to do?
Sagius Truthbarron
Deltu
I think its just like a cat toy. They create many RPG mode updates, and you hope that theyll come out witha PvP one. The only PvP update ive seen is the Tomb battle of the unworthys(personally i preferred the old undead battle, less annoying.) Thats bugging me too
powdahound
Who ever said the updates aren't coming?
People are just impatient and except some amazing patch every week because they have no idea how much work actually gets put in to good patches.
People are just impatient and except some amazing patch every week because they have no idea how much work actually gets put in to good patches.
BigTru
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The only PvP update ive seen is the Tomb battle of the unworthys(personally i preferred the old undead battle, less annoying.) Thats bugging me too
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Loviatar
updates will come as they make them.aside from bug fixes they dont actually owe us ANY new content.
but it is in their best interests to do so.
enjoy the 2 new areas we will get this summer as they may (or may not) be the last major content this year before the chapter 2
as the additional chapters they are their cash cow or golden egg so to speak yes they will come and to get people to buy them they will have to provide a really good content value.
since it is in their best pocket book interest i have high expectations.
just dont expect them tomorrow
Ultimate_Gaara
anyone how knows anything about anything already knows they are working on a major update which means they dont have to make little ones every week or so..
November Raine
well thats just how people are, they want everything and then they want more, Anet is doing a fantastic job they have a great game, doing a FREE! summer update and fixing bugs...and yet people complain? that is just plain selfish especially when the time comes when YOU have to do extra work for someone other people and you dont want to do it or dont because I know most of you wouldnt do the extra work. the word im looking for is LAZY. its completely pathetic how people complain about something that is being done even though it doesnt have to be done.
Shadow_Avenger
I think the main grip is not that updates are coming, but Fan Site Friday is the weekly newsletter form A.net. This needs to be fresh and atleast offer some information that hasn't been said.
An example would be, the code for the AFK is in progress and we would expect it to be introduced in the retail within the next month, without any major bugs.
The Upgrades to guilds are approx 50% done.
The new area maps are finished and the final few quests are being polished off and we would hope that these new areas are available in the next few weeks barring any major bugs.
Or there has been a delay on the new areas due to technical issues and as soon as these are ironed out the areas will become available.
*release stats on one of the new creatures / or the skill sets that some of the creatures will be having* (this is a basic carrot and can give info without giving the game away)
They could even release a tit bit about the story for chapter 2.
The current spirit spamming build of the month is being looked at, if no effective counter can be found, then there will be a slight adjustment to spirit skills. ( sumoning spirits takes longer to complete the spell and is easier to interupt, if interupted the rangers skills are disabled for 5 seconds but the duration of the spirit is 5 seconds longer per level, but there HP remains the same. This would not stop the build, but would actually make it more risky to use and therefore easier to counter, as spirits would become what they where always ment to be and that is a AoE prep that you really need to do before the enemy reaches the front lines.)
Even release a new screen shot, concept art or even a wwall paper for fansite friday would be cool.
Simple things like that that get the player thinking , hmm lets think of a counter, a skill set to play the new areas, that looks cool.
ATM players look to wednesday for updates and fansite fridays to see whats going on, this is actually of A.nets design, if you give people milk and cookies every friday, you can't expect to give then a glass of water on the occational friday and not get some kick back from the people.
An example would be, the code for the AFK is in progress and we would expect it to be introduced in the retail within the next month, without any major bugs.
The Upgrades to guilds are approx 50% done.
The new area maps are finished and the final few quests are being polished off and we would hope that these new areas are available in the next few weeks barring any major bugs.
Or there has been a delay on the new areas due to technical issues and as soon as these are ironed out the areas will become available.
*release stats on one of the new creatures / or the skill sets that some of the creatures will be having* (this is a basic carrot and can give info without giving the game away)
They could even release a tit bit about the story for chapter 2.
The current spirit spamming build of the month is being looked at, if no effective counter can be found, then there will be a slight adjustment to spirit skills. ( sumoning spirits takes longer to complete the spell and is easier to interupt, if interupted the rangers skills are disabled for 5 seconds but the duration of the spirit is 5 seconds longer per level, but there HP remains the same. This would not stop the build, but would actually make it more risky to use and therefore easier to counter, as spirits would become what they where always ment to be and that is a AoE prep that you really need to do before the enemy reaches the front lines.)
Even release a new screen shot, concept art or even a wwall paper for fansite friday would be cool.
Simple things like that that get the player thinking , hmm lets think of a counter, a skill set to play the new areas, that looks cool.
ATM players look to wednesday for updates and fansite fridays to see whats going on, this is actually of A.nets design, if you give people milk and cookies every friday, you can't expect to give then a glass of water on the occational friday and not get some kick back from the people.
TheGreatBoo
People are just impatient. Pve-wise they're bringing in 2 new areas, monsters, and others. Pvp-wise they're working on a new system to make unlocking things easier. They're working on alot at the moment. Don't forget observer modes coming up as well.
coleslawdressin
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well thats just how people are, they want everything and then they want more, Anet is doing a fantastic job they have a great game, doing a FREE! summer update and fixing bugs...and yet people complain? that is just plain selfish especially when the time comes when YOU have to do extra work for someone other people and you dont want to do it or dont because I know most of you wouldnt do the extra work. the word im looking for is LAZY. its completely pathetic how people complain about something that is being done even though it doesnt have to be done.
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it is ignorance..... 99.9% of players/forum visitors don't understand the extreme difficulties involved in making a video game, testing it, adding content.... AND trying to stay within a profitable business model. They cant triple their staff just to kick out updates faster in good faith you will buy an expansion.
Sol Invictus
A good business model is not pissing off your customers. Adding content and testing it isn't difficult: that's what the Live team (if they have one) is for. Alphas are for testing.
Just look at BioWare. It's a big company, I know, but they became big and powerful due to their good business ethics and their willingness to listen to the community. Their game, Neverwinter Nights, has been out for several years now, but their Live team continues to provide bi-weekly updates, patches, and even new content, completely for free, in order to keep the user base happy. You can be rest assured that when Neverwinter Nights 2 comes out, the same people who are currently enjoying NWN for all it offers will be getting that, knowing that what's in store for them in terms of customer support and good service will be just as impressive as it is at the moment.
Good service builds faith, and trust in the userbase.
Just look at BioWare. It's a big company, I know, but they became big and powerful due to their good business ethics and their willingness to listen to the community. Their game, Neverwinter Nights, has been out for several years now, but their Live team continues to provide bi-weekly updates, patches, and even new content, completely for free, in order to keep the user base happy. You can be rest assured that when Neverwinter Nights 2 comes out, the same people who are currently enjoying NWN for all it offers will be getting that, knowing that what's in store for them in terms of customer support and good service will be just as impressive as it is at the moment.
Good service builds faith, and trust in the userbase.
StandardAI
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well thats just how people are, they want everything and then they want more, Anet is doing a fantastic job they have a great game, doing a FREE! summer update and fixing bugs...and yet people complain? that is just plain selfish especially when the time comes when YOU have to do extra work for someone other people and you dont want to do it or dont because I know most of you wouldnt do the extra work. the word im looking for is LAZY. its completely pathetic how people complain about something that is being done even though it doesnt have to be done.
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Sol Invictus
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Many games offer free content, and a lot of them aren't necessarily MMORPGs, either. Diablo 2 was given a nice, free boost of content with the release of version 1.10, thanks to the diligent efforts of Peter Hu, when he worked at Blizzard, whose talent is now home at Flagship Studios.
Shadow_Avenger
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It is ArenaNet's duty to its customers to provide free, streaming content - as was advertised on the box. Claiming that we should be 'grateful' for the free content is like saying a car owner should be grateful that he even has an engine, when he complains that his break malfunctions.
Many games offer free content, and a lot of them aren't necessarily MMORPGs, either. Diablo 2 was given a nice, free boost of content with the release of version 1.10, thanks to the diligent efforts of Peter Hu, when he worked at Blizzard, whose talent is now home at Flagship Studios. |
, and is still going 4 years later, although not quite as popular as it was.
Pandora's box
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People are just impatient. Pve-wise they're bringing in 2 new areas, monsters, and others. Pvp-wise they're working on a new system to make unlocking things easier. They're working on alot at the moment. Don't forget observer modes coming up as well.
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Aniewiel
Just because my milk carton says that it 'builds strong teeth and bones' doesn't mean that it will deliver it in the first three months that I start drinking it. 
It takes time to build up to that shiny white, impervious-to-decay tooth enamel that I so love.
I don't think that you can say that it is ANet's -duty- to do anything. As many others have more eloquently said than I: They don't owe us another blessed thing. They published the game. We bought the game. If they -choose- to add new content, to make expansions, that is their choice, not their duty.
It takes time to build up to that shiny white, impervious-to-decay tooth enamel that I so love. I don't think that you can say that it is ANet's -duty- to do anything. As many others have more eloquently said than I: They don't owe us another blessed thing. They published the game. We bought the game. If they -choose- to add new content, to make expansions, that is their choice, not their duty.
Shadow_Avenger
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Just because my milk carton says that it 'builds strong teeth and bones' doesn't mean that it will deliver it in the first three months that I start drinking it.
It takes time to build up to that shiny white, impervious-to-decay tooth enamel that I so love. I don't think that you can say that it is ANet's -duty- to do anything. As many others have more eloquently said than I: They don't owe us another blessed thing. They published the game. We bought the game. If they -choose- to add new content, to make expansions, that is their choice, not their duty. |
Aniewiel
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If they don't then you can bet your bottom dollar that they would receive bad press and lose sales in the long run as people would not trust them as a company, so in away it is their duty to supply it, not just to the gamers, but because their own honour depends on it. If it takes 6weeks or 6 months fine, but they are abliged to full fill their consumer promise
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And thank you for not tearing my milk carton analogy apart.
Starsky-sama
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Just because my milk carton says that it 'builds strong teeth and bones' doesn't mean that it will deliver it in the first three months that I start drinking it.
It takes time to build up to that shiny white, impervious-to-decay tooth enamel that I so love. I don't think that you can say that it is ANet's -duty- to do anything. As many others have more eloquently said than I: They don't owe us another blessed thing. They published the game. We bought the game. If they -choose- to add new content, to make expansions, that is their choice, not their duty. |
recently, everytime i scan through this forum. it seems like there is a craze w/ "heres what i think anet should do..etc." threads in either "Q/A or Riverside Inn". all these should really be started in the "Sardelac Sanitarium" section of the forum. bcuz they do read the suggestions of players.
I am pretty surprised that it has just been 3months, it feels like its been longer, as most ppl probably feel, since their itchy and edgy to get more of the "good stuff" from this game.
*I say, just "chill", they have been providing info and updates, so just enjoy the game. plz.
as much as I think I have as great ideas as everyone else has, I would certainly place them in the right forum section, so it can be properly viewed.
*if anyone thinks diff. this is just my opinion from what ive been seeing in the forum and its threads.
-cheers.
kareel
This is why so many people are leaving Guild Wars for World of Warcraft.
Divinitys Creature
They said there would be updates to help promote or simply describe the game - we cought it, they do owe us. They owe us a blessed update and it's coming
Loviatar
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This is why so many people are leaving Guild Wars for World of Warcraft.
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do you mean that because it comes a few weeks later than the little xxxxx............waaaaanted it to be they are ditching?TALK ABOUT LOYAL PLAYERS........
FICKLE I SAY
coleslawdressin
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A good business model is not pissing off your customers.
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No business is going to please 100% of its customers.. Each game company has to stay within their own business model.. think maybe you just dont understand?
Dax
So if there are no updates do you think they are going to be worried when you cancel your subscription?...oh wait. They already have your money.
Drakron
Yes but if players stop playing before "Chapter 2" comes out are they going to buy it ... some will but most dont (expansions usually sell significant less that the original game) and then what is going to support your precious servers?
Lineage players?
If we looked at treads about 1-2 months ago the major complains was "UAS" and europe lack of favor, there were few complains and many sugestions.
Since then we had the Economical crash of the game, the Lag Spikes of Europe and now the players uprise since they are bored.
Have UAS and europe lack of favor gone away?
No, only the Lag Spikes of Europe appears to been fixed (a issue that Arena Net never made public in their own site, neither its existence or its correction).
We bored and Arena Net is "hurry up" to release two areas that might make us waste a week there before they lose their interest.
A lot are talking a shoot at WoW and even if I dislike MMORPGs (player EQ2 trial of the isle and that was enough) but I see Blizzard making patchs and adding new quests and new areas, perhaps you sould look at WoW patch descriptions before you accuse Blizzard from even less game support that Arena Net.
How many new quests have Arena Net given to us ... and I mean quests I dont have to wait until I have favor to be able to recive the quest.
Lineage players?
If we looked at treads about 1-2 months ago the major complains was "UAS" and europe lack of favor, there were few complains and many sugestions.
Since then we had the Economical crash of the game, the Lag Spikes of Europe and now the players uprise since they are bored.
Have UAS and europe lack of favor gone away?
No, only the Lag Spikes of Europe appears to been fixed (a issue that Arena Net never made public in their own site, neither its existence or its correction).
We bored and Arena Net is "hurry up" to release two areas that might make us waste a week there before they lose their interest.
A lot are talking a shoot at WoW and even if I dislike MMORPGs (player EQ2 trial of the isle and that was enough) but I see Blizzard making patchs and adding new quests and new areas, perhaps you sould look at WoW patch descriptions before you accuse Blizzard from even less game support that Arena Net.
How many new quests have Arena Net given to us ... and I mean quests I dont have to wait until I have favor to be able to recive the quest.
Quintus
No, I think they are going to be worried when a fraction of the players who bought the game buy the expansion.
KamikazeChicken
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No, I think they are going to be worried when a fraction of the players who bought the game buy the expansion.
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More toward the topic, who said anything about reduction/end to updates? There's a strong chance the 2 new EA will be released this Wednesday when they announce the winners of the "Brand the Boss" contest. They've been throwing out updates to fix bugs, improve balance, improve pve and pvp, appease the numerous email, investigate /bug reports, etc. >.>
Aniewiel
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How many new quests have Arena Net given to us ... and I mean quests I dont have to wait until I have favor to be able to recive the quest.
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Might not be a big deal to you but it negates what you're saying about ANet not adding quests.
November Raine
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Sure it takes time, but it is also in their interests to bring free content, they advertised it, not us. If they don't then you can bet your bottom dollar that they would receive bad press and lose sales in the long run as people would not trust them as a company, so in away it is their duty to supply it, not just to the gamers, but because their own honour depends on it. If it takes 6weeks or 6 months fine, but they are abliged to full fill their consumer promise
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I do not want to be the jerk who does that but I feel bad for Anet because they work so hard and hardly get any complaments on their doing other then when players first start playing and get an update or two they are happy but then they play for a month and get 2 more updates only they are upset because there just isnt enough for them.
StandardAI
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Might not be a big deal to you but it negates what you're saying about ANet not adding quests.
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Drakron
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Wow...I didn't know you had to have favor to run the quest to find the ghost parents for the little kid in Ascalon.
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Those quests were implemented on May 11, June 15 and June 29.
However my point was that MMORPGs are doing the same, WoW added several quests over patches.
TheGreatBoo
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That's because summer hollidays are almost over and many players hoped to play the new regions during hollidays. But its ok that Anet takes the time necessary to test updates. Its only a shame that the new levels wlll come out when players eager to play are back to school/work.
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I'm ignoring alot of posts I disagree with and would like to debate over so I can just post this and go to sleep. It's such a strong urge to post over it. Arg.
Weezer_Blue
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Who ever said the updates aren't coming?
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dargon
UAS is for people who want instant gratification. Personally, I view these people as spoiled whiney brats who scream ME ME ME, MINE MINE MINE!!! and then go cry when mommy says no. Oh wait, this day and age, mommy rarely says no because everyone thinks appease the little brat and he'll shut up instead of disciplining the little PITA. Apeasement is much easier in the short term, but has a worse effect long term.
Shadow_Avenger
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are you guys kidding me, they have been giving you free updates such and such but yet some of you say that they arent giving us enough? who is to say that we arnt getting enough. Anet has done a good job and if you dont like it then how about you go and make us a patch every week that fixes everything that every player in the game wants fixed and/or redone
I do not want to be the jerk who does that but I feel bad for Anet because they work so hard and hardly get any complaments on their doing other then when players first start playing and get an update or two they are happy but then they play for a month and get 2 more updates only they are upset because there just isnt enough for them. |
As for more quests, they have added a few, maybe upto 5 since release, so on average I'd say 2 quests per month, which isn't too bad i suppose, the only problem is that these quests are usually over in less than 30 mins and not repeatable. The don't add the quantity of quests that they do in WoW or EQ2, or areas, on average EQ2 adds 3-4 new areas every 2 months,new quests or quest tweaks weekly, not to mention the live in game world events every 3 months, but I guess they have a much smaller dev team as they don't charge a monthly fee to finance a bigger dev team.
November Raine
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Perhaps you didn't read the 6 weeks or 6 months part, or have word blindness.
As for more quests, they have added a few, maybe upto 5 since release, so on average I'd say 2 quests per month, which isn't too bad i suppose, the only problem is that these quests are usually over in less than 30 mins and not repeatable. The don't add the quantity of quests that they do in WoW or EQ2, or areas, on average EQ2 adds 3-4 new areas every 2 months,new quests or quest tweaks weekly, not to mention the live in game world events every 3 months, but I guess they have a much smaller dev team as they don't charge a monthly fee to finance a bigger dev team. |
elvis has left the building folks
Aniewiel
Disagree with one another's points but in a productive non-finger pointing way. Please don't attack other people's credibility. We ARE allowed to disagree and CAN disagree without launching barrages against other's intelligence.
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are you guys kidding me, they have been giving you free updates such and such but yet some of you say that they arent giving us enough? who is to say that we arnt getting enough. Anet has done a good job and if you dont like it then how about you go and make us a patch every week that fixes everything that every player in the game wants fixed and/or redone
I do not want to be the jerk who does that but I feel bad for Anet because they work so hard and hardly get any complaments on their doing other then when players first start playing and get an update or two they are happy but then they play for a month and get 2 more updates only they are upset because there just isnt enough for them. |
Free updates?
Let's put it this way, I'd rather they shove all these updates up their collective asses. All they serve to do is to cause more and more grief for general players.
When retail first came out, it was all fine and dandy, things were actually somewhat affordable.. everything is sorta attainable reasonably.. Today? I guess if you aren't part of the elite, it is time for you to quit the game and uninstall it.
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The spell names are the same because, hey, guess what? It is World of Warcraft! And you want to know something? I saw "Bloodlust" in Warcraft II.. Warcraft III.. and probably WoW too! "What a bunch of uncreative losers!" What do you suppose you would say when you see a necro cast Shadowstrike on you?
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November Raine
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Disagree with one another's points but in a productive non-finger pointing way. Please don't attack other people's credibility. We ARE allowed to disagree and CAN disagree without launching barrages against other's intelligence.
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my apology i was talking as a whole, its just they are working on a very big update that comes out soon, can we all please and wait for that so then nobody can say they dont give out updates
Drakron
No.
No "very big update" (and its not, its just 2 new areas with quests and mobs) is going to solve the basic problems of the game, the broken economy that forces players to intensive farm and lack of incentive to keep players in the game after they completed their goals.
Both PvP and PvE players are quiting because they are bored and the game is broken and unfun ... Guild Wars idea of end game is farming grind.
Arena Net is busy digging the grave of this game, I dont think many of us will be staying for the funeral.
No "very big update" (and its not, its just 2 new areas with quests and mobs) is going to solve the basic problems of the game, the broken economy that forces players to intensive farm and lack of incentive to keep players in the game after they completed their goals.
Both PvP and PvE players are quiting because they are bored and the game is broken and unfun ... Guild Wars idea of end game is farming grind.
Arena Net is busy digging the grave of this game, I dont think many of us will be staying for the funeral.