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twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

07 Aug 2005 at 17:30 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thock

if its the 105 monk farmers then i forsee a nerf bat coming down on either the build or UW.

accually its nothing to do with the farmers. its the merchants that are the problem. they charge 900g for an item and will only buy it from you for 50g.

the merchants are not keeping up with the current price so no one sells to merchants to bring the prices back down.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

07 Aug 2005 at 17:44 - 42

i posted about the merchant system over a month ago around the time it was implemented. i told everyone how it will be abused.

i used the example of d2 from a guy i know named bterrill. if you know anything about d2 you know that name. bterrill can make or break the market for d2. he started hording the skill charms from everyone. buying them up left and right. then about 2 weeks later boom the market was dry. no one could get them or make them fast enough to supply the market. he waited another week and inflated the prices and sold them all off in a few days. week later prices where back down.

when you buy from the merchant the price for the item goes up. say you buy one particular item raising the price. now just wait a few days as the market becomes drier and let the merchants inflate the price for you. now resell them to players once the price peaks for that item. all the items you bought at lower prices are now worth more netting you a profit for each one you sell except the last one.

the only way this can be abused is because the merchants don't buy the items from you at the prices that players will. so i can single handedly control the market for an item just by sinking a few 100k into that same item and play a waiting game.

Kali Ma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

07 Aug 2005 at 19:39 - 43

Quote:

I doubt that many people want to buy superior monk runes for 'legit' reasons.

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Indeed, a PvE player doesn't need a superior rune, major do absolutely fine to beat the game, play in UW and so on.

I have no intention of farming or soloing the UW and am really upset about this superior rune situation with my new healing monk. All of my previous characters equip at least one superior and my N/Mo20 carries two, using items/spells and a backup piece of armor with a minor instead to deal with the extra health loss. There are other reasons for equiping superiors besides being a farmer or purposefully lowering one's health.

In my case, I use them specifically to save attribute points... one superior that boosts an attribute from 9 to 12 saves approximately 50 attribute points that can be placed into another attribute instead. This is really helpful for those who use a secondary attribute a lot, like beast mastery, illusion magic or a weapon specialty. Two superiors saves over 100 points, which imho is more than worth the extra health loss on a high level character.

And needless to say, it's impossible to get a single attribute to 16 permanently without a superior. So though you may think they aren't necessary, they are to me... whatever class I play in PvE, I want it to be the most effective and well-rounded it can be.

So to all of you "105 farmers" who keep telling the rest of us non-farmers that "superiors aren't necessary," well here's an idea... why don't you just dump them in the trash or give them away... no? Oh right, that's because you need them, either for your build or to make gold...

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

07 Aug 2005 at 19:57 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

i used the example of d2 from a guy i know named bterrill. if you know anything about d2 you know that name. bterrill can make or break the market for d2. he started hording the skill charms from everyone. buying them up left and right. then about 2 weeks later boom the market was dry. no one could get them or make them fast enough to supply the market. he waited another week and inflated the prices and sold them all off in a few days. week later prices where back down.

Stupid people are impatient. They want something now now now.
Lets take this example. Black dyes i'd say are MAXimum worth of 10K. I'd never EVER buy one for more than that. I'd rather wait a whole month than to pay say 20K for it.

So those who hoard and buy off the trader etc, they aren't going to make a buck off me. Because i'd rather wait for the prices to come back down, than buy it for 20K.

The only problem here is that, there are alot of idiots out there that are clearly giving into these hoardings. Your Diablo 2 example.
I bet if people were patient, the skill charms would eventually come back to supply, since the hoarder will run out of money that way. But no, people are impatient and want something now now now.

Being patient does pay off.
Just yestaday i saw a guy selling them for 7K each. But im sure hes a bot - but anyway. I brought like 7 of them.
Of course I ain't going to use it. Since i know people are so impatient, i'll just wait for the price to sky rocket, then i'll make a profit.

But point here is that, people are so impatient, that the hoarders win.

Kasperson

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fin Knights

R/E

07 Aug 2005 at 19:57 - 45

This is getting serios... Today in Droknar's Forge everyone was at the rune trader to buy major vigors at 129 gp!!! Of course I bought my own too.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

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London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

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07 Aug 2005 at 20:03 - 46

I also just thought of something there. How can someone have that much items to break a market?

In D2 gold is useless, so the perfect skill charms must have been traded for runes or an soj. There's like 40 spaces on the character inventory, and probably 40 in the vault. Giving 80 spaces per character. Maximum 8 characters, so 640 runes(Ko's etc) or SOJs.... How can someone have that much?

I honestly don't think a single person could have that much wealth, to hoard off the entire American Population of D2 players. Unless he cheated.

Orochim4ru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

mustache riders

07 Aug 2005 at 20:58 - 47

Unless he had multiple accounts.

Krank

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/

07 Aug 2005 at 21:09 - 48

I see prot bond becoming NERF`D soon..

(can you say 10 sec duration O_O!)

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

07 Aug 2005 at 21:28 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darksci

I also just thought of something there. How can someone have that much items to break a market?

In D2 gold is useless, so the perfect skill charms must have been traded for runes or an soj. There's like 40 spaces on the character inventory, and probably 40 in the vault. Giving 80 spaces per character. Maximum 8 characters, so 640 runes(Ko's etc) or SOJs.... How can someone have that much?

I honestly don't think a single person could have that much wealth, to hoard off the entire American Population of D2 players. Unless he cheated.

The only thing I can ask is if you've ever even played Diablo. If you have, you would know you can make more than one account. You also fail to realise that the player could keep a hoarde of ists on one account. Considering that when I stopped playing, close to perfect life GC's expensive GC's such as Combat were going for 20-40 ists, he could easily hoarde.

Another example of this is someone named sun-god. he hoarded runes, especially high runes, and threatened to trash the economy. He had hundreds, maybe even thousands, and through his actions the prices for high runes dropped from 2ist/um to 2ist and eventually to just ist/um.

But ultimately, there is nothing you can do to prevent this hoarding from happening. At least not from what I can see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariena Feladon

Exactly, just what I said.

The same goes for steel ingots. 10 for 12 plat (common materials trader) yet he buys 10 steel ingots for 300, or so.

I mean, of course the prices will increase. Nobody will sell to the trader with these ridiculous prices!

You claimed he was offering 113 gold for your major vigor. He offered me somewhere between 2-3k when he was selling at 6k, which was a good enough price for me to sell.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

07 Aug 2005 at 21:45 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darksci

I also just thought of something there. How can someone have that much items to break a market?

In D2 gold is useless, so the perfect skill charms must have been traded for runes or an soj. There's like 40 spaces on the character inventory, and probably 40 in the vault. Giving 80 spaces per character. Maximum 8 characters, so 640 runes(Ko's etc) or SOJs.... How can someone have that much?

I honestly don't think a single person could have that much wealth, to hoard off the entire American Population of D2 players. Unless he cheated.

he makes a living off of d2. its his proffesion and he makes good money.

the point is people are buying from merchants to horde the item and making prices go up to sell to players just under merchants.

if anet thinks that reseting prices is going fix they are dead wrong. its only going to make it worse. when i can buy my sup runes at 120g and wait till the end of the day to make 35k off of each monk rune. that's going to make things worse

Mourning Air

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/E

07 Aug 2005 at 21:51 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariena Feladon

I mean, of course the prices will increase. Nobody will sell to the trader with these ridiculous prices!

This is the problem. When people are selling to the trader, the trader's prices drop. But practically no one is selling to the trader, because the trader usually doesn't give you a a reasonable price. I check the trader offers a lot and once in a while you might get a decent offer (but still less than 50% of what the trader is selling for), but usually it's something ridiculous like 10% of what they sell at. So, few people are selling to the trader, but people keep buying from the trader for convenience - and prices keep going up.

Before they put in the "quote" system, the trader was offering a decent amount and people were selling items to the trader a lot. For instance, the trader sold a black dye for 5k but would offer you between 3.5k-4k for one. So more people were selling to the trader and keeping the price from getting out of hand. The price was still going up overall, but at a reasonable rate.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

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07 Aug 2005 at 21:57 - 52

the main problem i see is that the system is not automated as anet states it is.

i've seen some items up to 900g for 10 and then go to sell 10 and its 30g. they reset the prices at merchants today for buying but if you notice selling to them the prices have not been reset. hides are at 150g but the merchant was buying them for 95g.

that leads me to believe that this isn't automated at all and doesn't adapt to market change. when prices get to high selling or buying they just reset them but they don't rest both at the same time.

Anraeth

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

SE america

This Is Cakeguild [cAke]

07 Aug 2005 at 22:09 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

no

the us sales far outsold the EU and korea combined

notice that the runes in demand are for the new builds to solo the elite areas and most other runes not needed for these special builds have remained at the old price

new demand equals higher prices

i found a superior monk rune today that sold to the trader for 35 plat which was fair as that was half he was selling them for

on the contrary, US sales 2 million, Asia sales 22 million, Euro Sales 200,000.

And those figures are a month or so old.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

07 Aug 2005 at 23:58 - 54

The only thing about Hoarding is that. IT only works if the person decides to buy the stuff at the unrealistically high price.

Player A Hoards items
Player B Knows that an item is only worth 10K

Player A decides to sell his items for 20K
Player B doesn't want to wait and decides to buy the item at 20K

Here player B is a dumbass.

Point is, that if someone decides to Hoard items. He can only profit from it, if people decide to buy items at the unrealistically high price. Obvious in the D2 example, hoarding is working.
Therefore, the players are dumbasses, and thus, personally you deserve it.

The hoarding will stop once people stop buying at the ridiculously high prices.
But no... you players want now now now.

EDIT: I just saw black dye on the trader being sold at it's last price of 9270gp. Of course hes out of stock now.

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

D/

08 Aug 2005 at 00:25 - 55

Mrrrr, the biggest threat is that this prot monk build completely throws the game balance out of whack, if you want good money, make a prot monk o.O thats how the game is gonna be, heck i have even started seeing more monks now than when i first start the game and they were scarce.

to slightly help out the problem... just slightly

how they say its only -1 energy at 17 protection, just cap it at -2 so even with 17 your still getting -2 O.o I am sure it would help at least a little.

Yeah its ONE number difference, but to many people thats the same as the difference of 1 and a million.

ShinJin Kahn

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild

W/Mo

08 Aug 2005 at 00:42 - 56

Just to let everyone know as of yesterday.........

Wood was selling for 120g for 10 from trader.
To craft 10 wood in to 1 charcoal costs 200g at artisan.
10 charcoal was selling for 4k to the trader.

For those of you that dont know math you could make 1k for every 10 charcoal you made, so like, buy 500 wood, make 50 charcoal sell to trader for your money back and extra 5k, took like 4 mins round trip, longest part was buying the 500 wood.

Not anymore though, price has dropped back down to 1.5k, but, this just goes to show that if you keep an eye on the market you will spot things like this and will be able to cash in. (I check the prices of over 40 items every 5 hours, it only takes 10 mins and it's made me nearly 200k in the last few days).

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

Rt/P

08 Aug 2005 at 00:52 - 57

This economy makes me sad as well.

Black Dye being sold for 75+ Plats. Want to know the offer I got from the trader? 1 Plat. Messed up, yes.
I still have that stupid black dye as well, haha.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

08 Aug 2005 at 01:08 - 58

It is time for a revolution about the price hike in everything.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

08 Aug 2005 at 01:49 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGgold

This economy makes me sad as well.

Black Dye being sold for 75+ Plats. Want to know the offer I got from the trader? 1 Plat. Messed up, yes.
I still have that stupid black dye as well, haha.

LOL!!!! 75K.... HA HA HA... Yeah right. Sorry mate. But don't base your prices on a single dumbass seller. Black dyes are 20K at the unrealistic max.

Krank

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/

08 Aug 2005 at 02:21 - 60

Just a little over a month ago i was telling my friend, if he hoarded black dyes forever, the drops would increase all around, he told me i was insane, WELL WHOS CRAZY NOW

Iteicea Destroidium

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Washington

[Pink]

Rt/Mo

08 Aug 2005 at 04:03 - 61

Ya I was on vacation this last week...and had just enough money gathered to finish the UW monk solo build, the runes and such. I get back today and my chances of finishing that are shattered...the prices soared from 10k to 64k...craziness

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

08 Aug 2005 at 06:17 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darksci

The only thing about Hoarding is that. IT only works if the person decides to buy the stuff at the unrealistically high price.

Player A Hoards items
Player B Knows that an item is only worth 10K

Player A decides to sell his items for 20K
Player B doesn't want to wait and decides to buy the item at 20K

Here player B is a dumbass.

Point is, that if someone decides to Hoard items. He can only profit from it, if people decide to buy items at the unrealistically high price. Obvious in the D2 example, hoarding is working.
Therefore, the players are dumbasses, and thus, personally you deserve it.

The hoarding will stop once people stop buying at the ridiculously high prices.
But no... you players want now now now.

EDIT: I just saw black dye on the trader being sold at it's last price of 9270gp. Of course hes out of stock now.

Let me further your example making player B a "smart" person.

Player A decides to sell his items for 20K
Player B decides to wait and look for a better price

Player B finds next to no one with what he is looking for because Player A has hoarded the item he is looking for

Player B can hope for the drop, search for many hours and hours to find one person that has the item he needs, or buy from player A who has the item he needs at a higher price

Waiting isn't always going to work. If someone is TRULY hoarding one item, very few other people are going to have that item. You could search for hours trying to find a person with the item or buy it at a more expensive rate. If you have the money to throw around, chances are you will buy from the hoarder (player A).

If you tell me it won't be that hard to find the item that player A has hoarded from another person, then it isn't a true hoarding situation.

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

08 Aug 2005 at 08:13 - 63

The interesting part is that monk runes skyrocket on Euroservers (10x in one week, and i sold my sup smiting for 2k the 1 week ago...). I doubt its because of UW farming builds.... maybe people are servertrading stuff using the int. districts?

Or does Europe get favor on every working day but not on weekends?

Ellington

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

South Carolina

Sons of Zeus [ZEUS]

08 Aug 2005 at 08:30 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

It is time for a revolution about the price hike in everything.

Agreed.

Rise up against the tyrant merchant elite! The people have nothing to lose but their chains.

banishd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Ivy League [IVY]

Mo/

08 Aug 2005 at 08:36 - 65

Too bad gold in this game is useless, since its so easy to come by
i have about 900k in my storage from sigils and i have nothing to spend it on =\ i might try and buy out silver dye or something latre when im bored

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

08 Aug 2005 at 12:13 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by aB-

Let me further your example making player B a "smart" person.

Player A decides to sell his items for 20K
Player B decides to wait and look for a better price

Player B finds next to no one with what he is looking for because Player A has hoarded the item he is looking for

Player B can hope for the drop, search for many hours and hours to find one person that has the item he needs, or buy from player A who has the item he needs at a higher price

Waiting isn't always going to work. If someone is TRULY hoarding one item, very few other people are going to have that item. You could search for hours trying to find a person with the item or buy it at a more expensive rate. If you have the money to throw around, chances are you will buy from the hoarder (player A).

If you tell me it won't be that hard to find the item that player A has hoarded from another person, then it isn't a true hoarding situation.

You still haven't gotten it have you?

The point i'm trying to make is that no one has an infinite amount of wealth. No one person could just continueily buy out every single item. Not unless he cheated.

The only way this works is that people are so impatient.

In this case Black dyes were hoarded or something.

Week 1: All Black dyes hoarded buy Player A who buys them for 10K
Week 2: Black dyes drop. Player A buys them again
Week 3: Player A decides to sell them for 20K. No one buys it for 20K
Week 4: Player A still selling, and buying for 15K. No one buys it for 20K.
Week 5: Player A cannot continue to buyout black dyes since he hasn't got 'infinite' wealth to do so.
Week 6: Black dyes come back to market from creature drops.

In this situation the hoarder doesn't win since the players are smart and decide to be patient.

OF course this doesnt happen in the game, because they are impatient.
HENCE you DESERVE to be hoarded.

EDIT:
IF you've done economics study, which i have, you'll know that Hoarding only works on the short run - say weeks.
In the long run (months) the hoarder will run out of money since there is still supply of the item into the market.
Runes and Dyes always have supply into the market, even if its 1 dye per hour.

Orochim4ru

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

mustache riders

08 Aug 2005 at 12:39 - 67

Quote:

Runes and Dyes always have supply into the market, even if its 1 dye per hour.

They may always have supply, but that doesn't mean that the income for the hoarder has to be subpar. Even if the price of dyes increase, if the hoarder is making 500k per hour off 20 bots running ember light farming missions, then he honestly doesn't care.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

08 Aug 2005 at 12:48 - 68

THERE YOU GO - HES CHEATING.
The Hoarder is cheating and hence THIS HAS NOTHING to do with the people itself, nor Solo farming etc.

You've clearly stated that this problem has nothing to do with normal people just farming. Its a bot problem, hence cheating.

So the only real solution to this, is ANet to find and destroy the accounts of the bots. I do hope ANet actually wipes and destroys the CD-Key of those people who bot.

They should add somekind of random pictureword every time you enter a map, and the person needs to type in the word which he sees. Much like the way certain registration sites deal with automated account makers.
I'd prefer to see something like this... Meh i'm gonna write something on this.

the dragon king

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

in teh meep

Gods Of Koas

W/Mo

08 Aug 2005 at 13:14 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by banishd

Too bad gold in this game is useless, since its so easy to come by
i have about 900k in my storage from sigils and i have nothing to spend it on =\ i might try and buy out silver dye or something latre when im bored

well if u do that ill take the silver dye

if u dont want it

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

08 Aug 2005 at 13:48 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darksci

You still haven't gotten it have you?

The point i'm trying to make is that no one has an infinite amount of wealth. No one person could just continueily buy out every single item. Not unless he cheated.

you still don't understand how that is working. you buy from merchants to raise the price. you sink a couple 100 thousand into one item that you know people will buy no matter what: shards, ecto, hides, cloth, dyes, runes, ect. while you are buying the merchant's price is steadly going up. people gauge their price on the merchants. so you sell all those items back to players for just under the merchant price. you make a profit on each item you bought except the last 2 or 3.

its not one person using the hording method its thousands. i made a post on how to abuse the merchants when the system was implemented and since have seen many more money making post abusing the merchant's "broken" system.

its broken because it doesn't adjust to the "real" market. its some guy at anet hitting the reset button when prices get too high. sometimes i've seen the merchants selling prices way higher than the buying. they don't reset both at the same time. just like yesterday when it was reset tanned hides where 150g/10 but i could sell them for 95g/10. they can say its automated and adjust to the market but that's a load of crap or things like that wouldn't ever happen.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

08 Aug 2005 at 14:00 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

you still don't understand how that is working. you buy from merchants to raise the price. you sink a couple 100 thousand into one item that you know people will buy no matter what: shards, ecto, hides, cloth, dyes, runes, ect. while you are buying the merchant's price is steadly going up. people gauge their price on the merchants. so you sell all those items back to players for just under the merchant price. you make a profit on each item you bought except the last 2 or 3.

its not one person using the hording method its thousands. i made a post on how to abuse the merchants when the system was implemented and since have seen many more money making post abusing the merchant's "broken" system.

its broken because it doesn't adjust to the "real" market. its some guy at anet hitting the reset button when prices get too high. sometimes i've seen the merchants selling prices way higher than the buying. they don't reset both at the same time. just like yesterday when it was reset tanned hides where 150g/10 but i could sell them for 95g/10. they can say its automated and adjust to the market but that's a load of crap or things like that wouldn't ever happen.

So if one day the merchant's selling price for ecto is like 20K. People will start buying it for 19K?
Yeah right. EVeryone knows that ecto is worth 10K (Although i sell in bulk for 12K each). But i can see where your going where everyone dictates their prices on the merchants. But thats just plain stupid. You should know how much the prices of the things are. I know that ecto and black dye shouldn't be more than 15K.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

08 Aug 2005 at 15:05 - 72

they shouldn't be but as long as the merchant will give you a price it will always be this way. personally i bank on the common materials more than anything.

the merchant is up to 21k on ecto so people will start to price their items competively with merchants. i foresee them going up to 15k soon if merchants prices hold steady. ecto is hard to tell with all the farmers pumping ecto into market that's why i don't invest in that item.

dyes are always a solid investment seeing as there is always a demand for them.

this is what i mean by hording. today i woke up and checked the buy and sell prices for common and rare material and noticed cloth at 250g/10 and selling for 120g/10. so i spammed everywhere buying them for 10g each then sold them back to merchants sold about 3500 cloths to merchant in less than 30 minutes and made a nice profit from doing basicly nothing.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

08 Aug 2005 at 15:28 - 73

Hmm... methinks the monsters need Natures Renewal to cast.

Darksci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

London

Lords Of The Immortal [Loti]

R/W

08 Aug 2005 at 15:33 - 74

The behemoths cast that (since they are rangers).

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

08 Aug 2005 at 15:43 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Hmm... methinks the monsters need Natures Renewal to cast.

that would throw pve balance off just like NR is doing to pvp

all they need to do is make the -75 life not stack with the same runes because you need 5 runes to make the build work

1 less rune would effectivly kill the build while leaving the monsters and skills untouched

i've also noticed i can't get the cities of ascalon quest anymore. i even made a new char and the guy won't give me the quest.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

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So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

08 Aug 2005 at 15:48 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

that would throw pve balance off just like NR is doing to pvp

all they need to do is make the -75 life not stack with the same runes because you need 5 runes to make the build work

1 less rune would effectivly kill the build while leaving the monsters and skills untouched

So let it! Crap, I can run through most groups in PvE now, let em shake things up.

Actually, I'd like to see more intelligent monsters with a larger skill base that they can cast based upon who they're up against. Make it tough enough so that to grind is to accomplish.

But that's just me.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

08 Aug 2005 at 15:55 - 77

nt i'm not going to play a game that is based around 1 skill. you either use it or plan to play against it. that is just dumb and requires no thought at all. you would be killing the strategy not making it.

Onito

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Death Boring Sweden

Clan Plus

Mo/Me

08 Aug 2005 at 15:57 - 78

oh i rember when i bought Sup Healing for just some plat, now its like 20k or something :S

asdar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

08 Aug 2005 at 16:11 - 79

I think there's a lot of complaining over a non-problem.

There's so many things that everyone is overlooking. The first and main is that all of these items are luxury items. In no way do you need any of them to play the game as effectively as the next person.

The only near exception to that is runes but even at the merchant prices it's not at all out of control.

This is the greatest change in a long time for farmers. Go out and play the game, then go to Lions Arch and sell runes. 3 weeks ago it wasn't worth it. Now it's easily worth it.

If you're like me and never want to buy or sell from a real person hang onto those runes and trade/give them to guild members and friends. That's what we do.

Look at the rune with the absolute highest price. If you want it it's a struggle but no more than 15k armor, without the materials. Meanwhile there's not one area of the game where you won't be able to play and play well with the exception of the monk UW build where it's important to have 16 protection on a protection monk. That's the only one.

Warrior runes have always been high, absorption and Vigor have only for about a weeks time been even reasonable. They're no higher now than they were before the rune traders were instituted.

I just don't see the problem at all. I know if I started a new character I could get him right up there in level and playing in any PvE area in the game in no time at all. I've done it very recently with my warrior and never bought a single thing for him.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

08 Aug 2005 at 16:21 - 80

imagine you were a new guy with nothing and come into the current market with nerfed drops. would you want to continue playing with the current prices?

personally i don't care about the prices myself because i know how to make money besides farming. merchants are the biggest money makers not farming just people don't know how to use it.

i know what you mean because i buy major vigor instead of sup (wow a big 9 life). i buy max dmg 15% weapons from collectors then buy upgrades cost me less than 10k to equal a weapon you bought for 300k. buy shields from collectors because you simply can't beat the 45 hp 2 absoption with max def. buy wands and foci from collectors. they are max stats already so why try to find it in purple or gold. i don't think any is going to be saying OMG you killed me with that gold weapon.

btw i found all my runes never buy from traders unless i made a new char that i need to lvl and i haven't found the rune yet. i've found 2 sup absorption, all my sup monks, sup str, sup axe. its not hard to find them if you know where to look. 1 sup absorption came from a lvl 8 monster and the other was a lvl 15 so lvl of enemies doesn't make it a better drop.

i think people are stuck in this rut from other games that it has to be "found" to be better. only thing that is better found is staffs because they can come with 3 mods.