The answer to eliminating inflation and stabilizing the economy is an obvious one. If Anet would set the traders to sell commodities at fixed prices(regardless of what those are) and also provided them unlimited inventory, gold would be steadily drained from the economy while commodity hoarders would reap no benefit. If only such a solution could be implemented in the real world...
Why won't you make the simple, clever changes that would make this game so much more fun Anet?
OMG The Prices!
LockerLoad
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
and what is regular Joe supposed to do for food when you buy every cheeseburger available leaving the Supermarket our of stock?
he's gonna pay 10 bucks for the same cheeseburger you bougth for 5 bucks...cuz the man's gotta eat. |
Now, his cheeseburger is fresher too.
The biggest thing is for ANet to keep the resupply lines for the merchants active. I can only buy so many cheeseburgers before I runout of room for cheeseburgers. If there are more cheeseburgers than I can by, Joe will still get his fill of what he wants.
Kurow
man wtf, all the things are pretty much back to their normal prices. >: (
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
Or he can wait a few minutes for the cheeseburger resupply caravan to show up. Hey, there it is!
Now, his cheeseburger is fresher too. The biggest thing is for ANet to keep the resupply lines for the merchants active. I can only buy so many cheeseburgers before I runout of room for cheeseburgers. If there are more cheeseburgers than I can by, Joe will still get his fill of what he wants. |
and what happens when that truck comes in for resupply and Joe is out nursing a stomach ache and John Millionaire comes and buys the entire stock.....joe goes hungry again.
The economy is never going to stabilize at this rate. if ferarris were 200 bucks you'd still never get one because some millionaire would be out buying the entire lot before you got a chance to. That's what happens when items of seemingly high value drop drastically in price. They are ALWAYS expected to go back up....and there will ALWAYS be someone there to buy it before you get a chance to.
Ashraven
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No, the point of Runes was to give you a boost in one stat at a health deficit. Guild Wars has always been about give/take. Nothing in the game gives a sizeable reward without a drawback usually. |
Yes, GW is about give and take. They GIVE people the great farming spots, the great drops, and recently the cheap, but great commodities, and now, (directly or indirectly), they TAKE it away.
GW = Give-and-take Wars
that was another rant...oops! I may be on a roll
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
and what happens when that truck comes in for resupply and Joe is out nursing a stomach ache and John Millionaire comes and buys the entire stock.....joe goes hungry again.
The economy is never going to stabilize at this rate. if ferarris were 200 bucks you'd still never get one because some millionaire would be out buying the entire lot before you got a chance to. That's what happens when items of seemingly high value drop drastically in price. They are ALWAYS expected to go back up....and there will ALWAYS be someone there to buy it before you get a chance to. |
No one bothers trying to hoard cheeseburgers.
octaviancmb
As far as I'm aware, ANET doesn't ever restock anything at their NPC merchants. Merchant stock is totally driven by player supply/demand. Once those who bought all the stock from the merchants start reselling their goods at a profit, the prices will go down and things will become available again.
The most amount of money anyone can have is 1,400 plat per account. Once you reach that, you actually have to start giving money away...
This is a good fix. Just give it time to work. The most important change is that *now* you can actually sell a product to a merchant and expect something reasonable. (As just one example, before the fix, steel was selling for 12plat/10 from the merchant but you could only *get* 180 gold for 10 from the merchant. Things were really that idiotic.)
Thanks ANET!
CMB
The most amount of money anyone can have is 1,400 plat per account. Once you reach that, you actually have to start giving money away...
This is a good fix. Just give it time to work. The most important change is that *now* you can actually sell a product to a merchant and expect something reasonable. (As just one example, before the fix, steel was selling for 12plat/10 from the merchant but you could only *get* 180 gold for 10 from the merchant. Things were really that idiotic.)
Thanks ANET!
CMB
FrauValis
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Originally Posted by octaviancmb
This is a good fix. Just give it time to work. The most important change is that *now* you can actually sell a product to a merchant and expect something reasonable. (As just one example, before the fix, steel was selling for 12plat/10 from the merchant but you could only *get* 180 gold for 10 from the merchant. Things were really that idiotic.)
Thanks ANET! CMB |
Thak you AreaNet!
Pyxis
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
No one bothers trying to hoard cheeseburgers.
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Bizarro_Jesus
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Originally Posted by Pyxis
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Merchant reset today.
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Og! Og! Og! I yams what I yams.
kareel
All this thread has succeeded in doing is making me hungry :/
I want a cheeseburger
I want a cheeseburger
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by octaviancmb
As far as I'm aware, ANET doesn't ever restock anything at their NPC merchants. Merchant stock is totally driven by player supply/demand. Once those who bought all the stock from the merchants start reselling their goods at a profit, the prices will go down and things will become available again.
The most amount of money anyone can have is 1,400 plat per account. Once you reach that, you actually have to start giving money away... This is a good fix. Just give it time to work. The most important change is that *now* you can actually sell a product to a merchant and expect something reasonable. (As just one example, before the fix, steel was selling for 12plat/10 from the merchant but you could only *get* 180 gold for 10 from the merchant. Things were really that idiotic.) CMB |
Thanks ANET!
trelloskilos
WTS MAX DMG GOLD Double Cheeseburger (req. 8 Hunger), Relish+15%, mustard +21. GODLY!!!
SOT
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Originally Posted by noblepaladin
How does not saving gold have anything to do with this? The complaint is that they were not online at the right time to buy the stuff. Some people are walking around showing the trade screen with all slots full of 250 ecto... Everybody is saving gold but stuff keeps getting more and more inflated.
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Instead, all the "leet" badass obsessed people who simply MUST have the 900 million plat armor go around acquiring that, and the sword that is 9 feet long, all in some mad dash to impress....anyone whow ill be impressed.
Then, when they see something they honestly NEED, or WANT, tough shit. Farming has become too tedious for them to repeat, so they complain about nerfs not yielding enough returns, or the merchants are on crack and not buying their mats for decent prices. All of it comes back to the idiot who HAD 450 plat but spent it on "American's Pixel Idol".
Therefore, the whining is beneath me.
pintpointfive
I consider this as much of an exploit as the one at Augury Rock... BAN ALL THE ACCOUNTS THAT BOUGHT STUFF FOR CHEAP! <-- Only reasonable thing to do.
Oh... And what the hell is going on with rune traders? Is ANet putting pseudo-runes on them to give some set prices. I see them up all the time but no matter which superior I try to buy, they ran out of stock. Aside from Sup Vigor and Absorption. If that's what's going on I hope ANet gets raped with a rake... And I'm not talking about the nice end... I'm talking business end.
Oh... And what the hell is going on with rune traders? Is ANet putting pseudo-runes on them to give some set prices. I see them up all the time but no matter which superior I try to buy, they ran out of stock. Aside from Sup Vigor and Absorption. If that's what's going on I hope ANet gets raped with a rake... And I'm not talking about the nice end... I'm talking business end.
Angelina
Most of you don't understand that the problem isn't the new economy prices, which are good, but that EVERYTHING went up for 100 gold each (ectos, shards, runes... evertthing) for a couple of minutes. Immagine a player who bought 2k ectos for ultracheap prices (200 gold each, even less). They just turn the merchant out of stock. You want ectos ? Thoses players will sell you, 10k each.
Profit : 9,5k / Ecto
Time spended : 10 minutes to buy 2k ectos
I don't understand how can you thinking that "normal".
Profit : 9,5k / Ecto
Time spended : 10 minutes to buy 2k ectos
I don't understand how can you thinking that "normal".
Phades
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Originally Posted by pintpointfive
I consider this as much of an exploit as the one at Augury Rock... BAN ALL THE ACCOUNTS THAT BOUGHT STUFF FOR CHEAP! <-- Only reasonable thing to do.
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Mugon M. Musashi
the question is "was it a bug or not ?"
did Anet do this on purpose or not ?
IIRC when you see a bug and do not tell Anet but take advantage of it, it is an exploit
did Anet do this on purpose or not ?
IIRC when you see a bug and do not tell Anet but take advantage of it, it is an exploit
TGgold
I would assume that the people are purposefully exploiting the market for their own gain. Once again, ANET has made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Oh, how I love the economy.
Autumn_Leaf
going right into it
1. set a sale price for all items(materials).
2. in most one player game a player resells an items for half the but amount. since half seems to little make it 75%.
3. with the economy reset. i thought it was great. yay fair prices. then they were all sold out because of hoarders. solution:infinite trader stock.
this to me was an easy way to solve everything. it seems to me that anet wanted to simulate a real-life market with all the problems. hmmm. this is a game to be enjoyed i don't want real-life problems.
it may have its flaw, but i believe it will make the gaming experience better.
agree or disagree, responses are invited.
1. set a sale price for all items(materials).
2. in most one player game a player resells an items for half the but amount. since half seems to little make it 75%.
3. with the economy reset. i thought it was great. yay fair prices. then they were all sold out because of hoarders. solution:infinite trader stock.
this to me was an easy way to solve everything. it seems to me that anet wanted to simulate a real-life market with all the problems. hmmm. this is a game to be enjoyed i don't want real-life problems.
it may have its flaw, but i believe it will make the gaming experience better.
agree or disagree, responses are invited.
Xonic
that'll make the problem go away, along with the economy.
if there is not economy, there is no problem.
if there is not economy, there is no problem.
Sagius Truthbarron
From what I can see useless Monstrous Eyes are at 3/4k, Ecto is sold out, all the dye are at sane sell and buy prices although Orange is higher than I've ever seen it o.o, Every superior rune is sold out, furs are sold out and Obsidian Shards are 9k.
Except for the runes everything is working out fine now.
My new prediction is that all the rune horders will wind up selling back all their runes for a little higher than what they got them. I mean really, who ever bought superior Inspiration or Soul Reaping anyway?
I'm thinking only the people who horded ecto/shards and superior vigors will be makiing any money here
I think in the long rune Anet will have done a good job and things will straighten out.
"Update: Banned over 5000 accounts for buying things at cheap prices"
Yeah, that's good PR. Maybe they should people who come up with stupid, irrational ideas. <-- Only reasonable thing to do.
Except for the runes everything is working out fine now.
My new prediction is that all the rune horders will wind up selling back all their runes for a little higher than what they got them. I mean really, who ever bought superior Inspiration or Soul Reaping anyway?
I'm thinking only the people who horded ecto/shards and superior vigors will be makiing any money here
I think in the long rune Anet will have done a good job and things will straighten out.
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I consider this as much of an exploit as the one at Augury Rock... BAN ALL THE ACCOUNTS THAT BOUGHT STUFF FOR CHEAP! <-- Only reasonable thing to do.
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Yeah, that's good PR. Maybe they should people who come up with stupid, irrational ideas. <-- Only reasonable thing to do.
DFrost
There's still something funky about the trader prices. The material trader only offered 100-160gp for 10x steel, charcoal or fur. I.E. less than the rare material trader offered for 1x material.
raven214
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Originally Posted by trelloskilos
WTS MAX DMG GOLD Double Cheeseburger (req. 8 Hunger), Relish+15%, mustard +21. GODLY!!!
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pintpointfive
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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron
Maybe they should people who come up with stupid, irrational ideas. <-- Only reasonable thing to do.
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NO SPIN ZONE! End of off-topic discussion.
It was a joke... Wasn't it?
Angelina
That topic is like the game : dead
game over guildwars
game over guildwars
The Hated
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ahem,,,... americans
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free4all
Yeah, it's to the point where the players are buying everything and hoarding them, and only selling to players. So its like they are buying the trader out, then selling at a much higher price.
This is not what anet intended I'm sure.
This is not what anet intended I'm sure.
Angelina
They don't buy anymore at the trader because :
-prices are too high (they bought at 100 gold each, not 9k)
-and so out of stock, because they bought all the stocks for a ridiculous prices
Thank you very much arenanet
-prices are too high (they bought at 100 gold each, not 9k)
-and so out of stock, because they bought all the stocks for a ridiculous prices
Thank you very much arenanet
The Hated
well I guess having my fissure armor ( have had it for a month now) is not longer going to be symbol of hard work and dedication to GW. That sucks, I dont mind everything else that was sold cheap but why ecto, now everybody and thier uncle is going to have fissure armor, oh well at least Ill not have to deal with "omfg pwnzors that armor is roxorz, where did u get it!"
SOT
The other day I had some freedom fries.
nboi
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well I guess having my fissure armor ( have had it for a month now) is not longer going to be symbol of hard work and dedication to GW. That sucks, I dont mind everything else that was sold cheap but why ecto, now everybody and thier uncle is going to have fissure armor, oh well at least Ill not have to deal with "omfg pwnzors that armor is roxorz, where did u get it!"
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/end sarcasm
PhineasToke
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Originally Posted by SOT
The other day I had some freedom fries.
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Heinz catsup is still and always will be the best, inspite of the wankers who think selling rebottled Hunts as Rethuglican Wonder Juice will make a difference.
And remember, the more flags and ribbons you have on your vehicle scores more patriot points with the spirts in the afterlife.
Lirael Abhorsen
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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron
That's the stock market. Suck it up ;p
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Lirael Abhorsen
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So thats what fissure armor is (was) about lol, hard work and dedication to GW hehe. Oh my god and i thought it was all about the extremly good defence and stats they got since it is end game armor. ..And no i dont care about looks.
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Lirael Abhorsen
ive noticed that the makers of GW always make it easier for the beginners to get good things, which lowers the prices. it hurts the players who work for their items to make money. i hated it when the released the rune traders cause i made my money by selling runes. and then they released it and i was SoL in making money.
Maagus
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Originally Posted by Lirael Abhorsen
there isnt a difference in stats from the 15k or the droknars armor
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Geez, it´s only game. You enjoy playing it or you don´t. That is simple and subjective feeling. If you don´t like the game just don´t play it and quit, how simple solution. (sarcasm) But on the other hand I am always glad to see so much people posting publicly that they will quit and how this game sucks. I am glad to know that and I will truly miss them. (/sarcasm)
Yes, they have bought ecto for 100g and they will sell it for 6-10 platina. But who cares ? You are complaining that you won´t have their profit ? Or what ? Before the patch you could buy ecto for 12k from players and for 18k from trader. They will have to spend their time spamming WTS, you will have reasonable prices than before. Or am I missing something ?
Kai Nui
They should just have everything at a SET price because Anet is a god damn moron when it comes to economy. Seriously, dyes should all be the same, and should have secondary colors double. Then have shops buy for a little less than what they sell for. I mean people are ruining 15k armour with black dye just to show they're rich. If all dyes are the same and cheap, there will be more people with custom armour. Everyone looks the same because they don't want to fork out a couple K to get the desired look.
Kampfkeks
Sigh, the rich bastards used the trader reset to buy up even more stuff and make the prices skyrocket again... Nothing has changed as it only fed the moneybags which will now strangulate the economy even more with much more supplies.
Sagius Truthbarron
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Originally Posted by Kai Nui
They should just have everything at a SET price because Anet is a god damn moron when it comes to economy. Seriously, dyes should all be the same, and should have secondary colors double. Then have shops buy for a little less than what they sell for. I mean people are ruining 15k armour with black dye just to show they're rich. If all dyes are the same and cheap, there will be more people with custom armour. Everyone looks the same because they don't want to fork out a couple K to get the desired look.
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It's just more fun to have a trending, shifting market than a stale, mundane market. Maybe those of you who like the to mass random junk would think differently about this.
2. Most people mix black dye with other colors like green and blue. If they want to make their clothes black just to prove that they are rich, well good for them.
Want to know a secret? If you don't want to use black dye on your clothes then don't buy it.
3. If they don't want to fork out the money, looking the same just becuase they don't want to use money that is meant to be spent then so what?
Money is worthless in this game unless you want to look different. If you want to look different then use your money. You don't need a pile of platnium to survive. Just becuase you have only 3k on your account doesn't mean your cahracter will starve to death O.o