***Petition To Remove, Or Better Recent Economy Patch**

The recent economy patch, in my opinion, has completely ruined the economy. Now, all you see are large hordes of players standing by the rune trader. Prices on runes have signifcantly dropped, and now when you get a superior rune, it isnt worth anything, I mean, come on! Arent superior runes meant to be "Superior" "Rare"?? The prices of a rune now are affordable for anybody who plays this game on a regular basis. Something all of us have put alot of time into, to make our character outstanding, by luckily finding that superior rune to max out our skill, can be bought extremely cheap. Not making the game better for those who have been playing since the game came out.

I know of so many people who have been rune farming and saving them till this game has really exploded, only to sell them at a high price that they should be sold at. Now all of these people are quitting, stating that their time spent is now only worth 2-3k per rune. I myself have been saving those superior monk runes that I have been finding on runs, for when the trader is sold out and people are desperate to make their solo monks. When if they want now, they can stand at the rune trader till it refreshes and buy a rune for 1400 or 4000 gold. Not Cool!

The staff of Guild Wars needs to re-establish this patch, making the runes most bought to rise in price, and not be so common. My friends list was a group of people that I have known to play this game day in and day out, sharing favorite farming locations, where rare armors dropped, that they could salvage and sell at a high price. Now they are all asking if there is anything i would like, because they are all QUITTING, because their inventory and storage full of RARE runes can be bought for a rediculous low price!!!

What is going to happen with this "Summer Patch" that is going to make rares drop more often?? Who cares about that anymore right? Because now you can buy them. The next patch is ruined, in my opionion, and the thoughts of others. So yea you will be able to explore new areas, but what is the fun in that? Anybody will have the advantage that those of us have worked so hard to obtain.

I know the multiple numbers of rare gold armors that are superior runes that i have, that were once worth 10k-60k gold, are now only worth a mere 5k gold. All of them are just a bit of extra change in my pocket. I have over 500 hours in this game of working hard to get these runes that are most sought after. I know alot of you out there feel the same way.

My thoughts are either to remove or better the recent economy patch. I found nothing wrong with the way the game had been being played. It was fair to everybody. If you are new to the game, you cant expect to have the luxuries that people who have been playing the game for three months do.

To better the recent economy patch, instead of an item selling out, and being available again in a minute at the same price, they should have the item come back at a significantly higher price. Or just do as they had been doing, and the price of the item continually rising, but being constantly available.

If you agree that this recent patch is only hurting those of us who have spent our time playing the game to become rich; Please leave your thoughts, and some helpful information that could be used to either better the economy, or remove it. Thank You! Perhaps making this thread sticky wouldnt be a bad thought either.

I disagree. Why should the game revolve around the people who farm? thats not what the game is about. Sure, some people find it fun but if you don't like a patch that gives the farmers a hard time and makes it alot better for everyone else, I don't think much is going to happen.

Just what I think..

BUY FOR

1K minor
10K major
25K superior

SELL FOR

500g minor
5K major
15K superior

Everything is always in stock. Those should be the prices, and that's how runes should be run in the game.

Solution to your Problem:

Whine some more.

I agree with Zero, this whole fake supply and demand bs just plain sucks period.

Favor the grinders?

Right...

The only thing needed here is for more drops to replenish the Sup Runes so that rich players will stop buying them out. The supply and demand is a fun idea and it helps people interact with the economy, but with these cheap prices ANYONE with 10k+ can easily buy out a shipment.

Just increase the Sup drop rate. I don't think they should be THAT rare, esp now that most economic players have 20+ of each rune.

Why does it need to be removed? The prices are BETTER than they have EVER been for most products. It's just stupid to remove cheap prices just becuase people have alot of gold.

Solutions 2: Force Disband any economic controll guilds

Timmo, im not saying it should revolve around those who farm. However I bet if you youve ever found a rare armor, salvaged it into a superior rune that you knew was worth alot, saved it, knowing the prices are only gonna rise one it, only to find on day you get on, and you can buy this item once worth 40k for only 1.2k gold! Not fair at all... Once going out and finding a rare rune would be exciting, and people would be like, oh man your lucky. Now people say wow, too bad you didnt find that a few days ago when it was worth something... Just saying, its not as much fun anymore....

I hve just realised : no matter what Arenanet does there would always be a large group of people whining.

I don't agree. There will always be whiners, but what arena.net has been doing has resulted in making larger groups whine, instead of doing what they should so that there would be only smaller groups whining, because that's all you can really hope for.

As for this thread, I can't make sense out of its existance; the market on almost all runes fell out a long time ago, when the rune trader was first implemented. Nothing has really changed except for the goons that get rich quick by buying the valuable runes when they are dirt cheap whenever the trader gets a reset.

Sounds like someone's mad because they didn't get to take advantage of the reset prices

Correct me if I'm wrong, but one of this games selling points(and I'm pretty sure its on the box) was that it was for "Casual Players." So allowing the average Joe with a Job and School to actually play the game to its fullest(and that includes being able to buy the Sup Runes and REASONABLE prices) is frankly Anet doing what it promised.

If you're unhappy that your sup runes don't sell for ungodly amount now, well tough luck, you should have sold sooner.

To be honest, I was annoyed when they introduced traders to begin with. Before that, the economy was purely player based and was an honest system. The only real problem I saw was that people could charge like 1k for 10 cloth while in another district, someone would be selling for 50. I say that they should've put in an auction house to begin with and never brought in these goofy traders, or if they WERE to use traders, have em only buy so that people could get a fair and reasonable price.

You don't need superior runes to be competitive in this game. Which is why it's alright for them to cost quite a bit.

But yeah, it's a great idea to drop prices with a patch, let people buy 100 of each rune and then remove the patch; resulting in those people being able to sell the runes they bought for 70k each o.o

I think they should just let things work it out becuase the new economy is alot better than the old one, excluding the fact that it's alot harder to buy sup runes now.

I don't know if you ever checked the rune trader or not before the patch happend, but all non-monk and warrior sup runes used to be below 1k.

That would be a good thing except it's equally as hard to find superior runes though reasonable gameplay.

You can't really undo what has been done anymore. The night the patch was applied some people got insanely rich by buying off everything the traders had. You can't ever undo that.

Also, the basic idea of fixing prices was a good one since the economy HAD been screwed by these super inflated prices.

The WAY A-Net did it was ...well, not really well thought-out. You CAN'T fix a free market by setting prices. It simply doesn't work. They should have increased the supply to lower the prices and then cap them. They still can do that. To put in several thousand sup runes to the traders is only way to go now. It will both fix the economy and scew the hoarders, since nobody would have to buy from them at ridiculous prices anymore.

if you free yourself from the idea you need lots of gold to have fun in GW you will be much happier.

The economy was completely screwed before the patch. And now you just can't make enough money? Tough, you have absolutely no right to be stinking rich. And that's what your rant seems to amount to "Me and some other farmers think we should be even more mega-rich than we are but we're not. It's so unfair <slams door>".

And anyway the runes were never actually worth the sky-high prices that the trader sold them for anyway because everyone knew the traders were screwed up.

The way the economy works now might not be perfect, I don't know because I play the game rather than the economy. But one this I do know is that the way the economy is now favours the ordinary players, not the mega-rich farmers.

My heart really bleeds for you, if you look really closely you might even be able to see tears.

I thought this game was based on skill, not on what you have equipped. Now that everyone has their hands on a sup rune, or can now, it would go down to just skills now, rather than, he "who hordes the most items wins"

Hey guys, yay. Less grind.

Guild Wars is a pretty poor game to play if your main goal is to go farm monsters all day to obtain wealth and otherwise be involved in a rich player based economy where you purchase/trade/horde various trinkets and doo-dads.

Armor, Weapons, and Runes should be accessable and standardized. Say what you will about unlocking for PvP, but Guild Wars has never made claim towards being a glorified stuff gathering simulator like Diablo 2.

leave it how it is,gives a people that dont have all the $ to buy stuff they couldnt before. I think its awseome,basically kicks the balls of all the horders who dont sell to the trader,this way stuff is in stock,so to the horders Anet,just owned you!!

At least in Diablo 2 it's possible to get everything you want and benefit from it, not to mention D2 is actually a fun game despite its own short comings.

What the hell are you talking about? Horders are profiting from the situation.

I simply hated the fact some people cashed in on the latest patch
since the prices of everything dropped.

Stupid move on A.net's part I say.

On the other hand, you are more reliant on your gear in Diablo 2.

Unlocking for PvP aside, it is extremely easy to get everything you need in Guild Wars. Sure, you can't get every superior rune or perfect weapon mod you want in reasonable gameplay, however, you do not need every superior rune or perfect weapon mod for reasonable gameplay.

double or triple Zeros prices and I would agree. maybe not the sell back price. but definitely the Buying price. that's WAY too low even for today's economy. and heck I'm one of your guys supporters to be rid of inflators. its just that you do not want rune to be TOOO easy to get. regardless... it effects the game on the PVP side too much. If they make it so PVP characters can only use runes that they unlock. Period. then yes I would agree with the prices set by zero... otherwise it needs to be higher for superiors...

Only real gripe I have with the patch is the speed with which the traders adjust to market fluctuations. Things like superior runes have prices far below their market value at the traders, as evidenced by their inability to keep them in stock. Maybe it'll level out in a week or so, but for now things are just a mess, with people camping the traders looking for deals, instead of coming to the traders for the 'want it now' purchases.

Peace,
-CxE

I do not agree at all. The fix was good.

/anti-signed.

WTH?

The fix to the economy was overdue and the basic idea behind it seems to work. Runes are at acceptable prices right now. At first i was quite pissed about those wo got insanely rich during the reset but then i said to myself "well, do i really care if there are guys who have 4 billions when i can buy all i need at a reasonable price?". And as soon as i was honest to myself. No, i did not care.
To those who said the people are not MEANT to have those runes. All i can ask you is "how do you know Arena.net intended them NOT to have runes?". I moreover think this is just a carry over from other MMORPGs where someone who was grinding 24/7 had equip that equaled or surpassed the powers of any given roleplay god. First off, the range is smaller in Guildwars. With exception for elite skills in the Ascalon Arena and those first time pvpers with their level 17 in Lion's Arch, there is just no way you can own some newbies who are a multiple of levels lower than you by outruling their equip.

From those other games though, comes the thinking that you MUST be able to own noobs (see the many Eliteskills in Ascalon). It is also taken from other games that your equip has to be superior to those of others and you will have to stop others from gaining it by all means. To be exact: Make it insanely hard to get.
In WoW it would be camping in front of the instance and bashing the hell out of everyone who wants to enter the precious instance.
In Guildwars it is the belief Runes have to cost at least 100 Platinum and Upgrades should never go lower than 400 Platinum. The max damage Chaos axe with nice mods should never go for less than 800 platinum (yes i've actually people seen charge these fees...).
These numbers are not to become rich, but to establish some kind of elitest society where only those who were first now and then can compete (well, or the e-Bay'ers). Having said that... it is nonsense. Guildwars is just no MMORPG and no matter how hard you try, it will never get the personal Elitesociety so many people want it to be.

Arena.net has shown us multiple times they don't want it to be this way. So yes, i will not sign this petition neither. I kind of agree with the stance Arena.net has on the importance of Wannabe Elites and Scammers (oops... but charging 800 plat for ANYTHING is just a scam).

To those who say people should work for something to have it. Why? This is a game for christs sake. A fricking game. Games are not meant for you to work in, they are made so you can have fun and enjoy playing it. If i want to work i just close Guildwars and head over to my RL. I've got enough work to do there, i most certainly don't need even more work in a game.

the fix they did HAD to happen. and the way it is designed currently that's the way it had to happen. the sell back equation was really frelled from previous patch, so doing this fixed that issue. so in that fact this update was exactly what was needed. the end result was a short term inflationary and market sellout of items. eventually this will balance back out with sell backs and injections from anet of inventory for the traders...

STOP COMPLAINING! The economy may not be perfect but they fixed it pretty well. I completely disagree with the guy who is/was pissed off by the introduction of traders. Prices were getting crazy and everyone was was sick of the constant spamming of WTS, WTB ****. Why the hell are you complaining? The economy is actually STABLE now. I just wish there was an auction house to put a definite end to all the WTS & WTB useless junk for 50k

edit: i totally agree with you Kampfkeks

I hate those people who use a petition as a discussion thread
If you don't like it, don't sign it
If you want to discuss it, make a discussion thread

Perhaps I'm biased against petitions, but they're largely ineffective when dealing with video game companies. Not to mention that forums are an especially crappy place to start a Petition. This is made even worse by the fact that Guild Wars lacks an official forum. Even if people supported this idea (and apparently they do not) the amount of signatures he could have gotten would have been totally inconsequential.

It's going to take a little more than an independent poll, survey, petition, or whatever to convince Anet to do something.

Anyhow, I don't see you signing.

U out of ur mind???? U gonna frig up economy and as other people said keep whining! I farm on a normal basis or used to for about 3 hours or so a week depending on how much i spend. But normaly I dont need to farm more then what i do. And My friend got Like 200 Ecto Plasm things from 40 mins of farming. I just go try and level and i get tons of crap. I Disagree about this. There should be a stop to your DIMENTED AND HALUCCINATED MIND! YOU DRUGGY! Here is another suggestion: get off Crack...

Stop with the Price Complaints!!! OR IL SUICIDE! (yyyyyesss.....im on crack toooo!)

Welcome to the real world!

In wich most people play a game for fun and joy, they get this fun from playing a character they like, including the runes needed for this char.

And it is NOT fun if some uber-geek (who probably thinks he's an Elite or something) prevents me from building my char because he only wants to sell some stupid rune at 100k.

It is people LIKE YOU and your farmer friends that break the economy off this game because you guys refuse to sell any drops at reasonable prices, and hoard thins like runes and black dye to drive up the prices some more.

And you now what, i love Anet for the economy patch! It put fun back in the game i now finally got my sup. healing rune so i could get on with my char, without being forced to farm the FoW for hours on end, just to get enough money so that i could pay someone like you 100k+ for damned rune.

First you farmers had Anet nerf the drops so even normal players didn't get anything descent anymore, meanwhile you guys where still sitting on your hoards of runes and materials driving the prices to insane levels, and worst of all when Anet brakes it for you guys (as they should) you have the foul guts to complain about it.

Well Said Dargull

And that's the way it SHOULD BE.

I'm glad they finally normalized the prices at the merchant. I found it entirely ridiculous that I could BUY a rune for say 2k, but when I went to SELL the same rune to the vendor, I would only get 100GP! That's insane, and I've never seen that ANYWHERE in any economic model.

Good job to ANet for implementing this and to those of you who don't like it? Tough... you're clearly in the minority. This was better for the community at large.

*sigh*

Are there still people complaining about getting what they have been asking for but having other players like them screw everyone over?

i have an idea, "Petition to stop blaming Anet for every mistake we as players make"...

Hmm . . . this seems exactly like a stock market crash of sorts . . Lots of people complaining because they didn't cash in all their equities before an unknown crash came and trashing people that bought up the blue stocks before anything could climb out of the red. It pretty much is better luck next time, buddy.

For me, I sensed a crash coming. 34k for Black dye? Rediculous! So, I sold off my 2 Black dyes I had been saving at ~12am central for 12k each. Low price but still a profit for me. I got on the next day and checked the trader prices because a bunch of people were telling everyone to keep the new trader prices a secret. Black dye was back down to 6k. I sold early and profitted.

Get over the crash! Accept that you made a mistake by holding onto your equities for too long. You could have cashed in but your greed only wanted more.