Mornin!
I just noticed that in the last couple of days there hasn't been a positive Guild Wars thread on page one, except for the stickies. If I was a thinkin of buyin Guild Wars for the first time, I might be a bit (to put it lightly) put off by all these threads.
.....just a thought
Positive threads.....is it possible?
Dax
AeroLion
It's the apprehension of what's going to happen to some of the skills. Puts everyone on the defensive.
Kampfkeks
The problem is, when you make a positive thread you will get flamed to death for it.
The term fanboi often comes to mind when this is happening and as a result, negative and flamingthreads are more common and more resident. Especially around Guildwars Guru where the way people interact is a bit harsh.
The term fanboi often comes to mind when this is happening and as a result, negative and flamingthreads are more common and more resident. Especially around Guildwars Guru where the way people interact is a bit harsh.
Robos Stavanis
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Originally Posted by Dax
Mornin!
I just noticed that in the last couple of days there hasn't been a positive Guild Wars thread on page one, except for the stickies. If I was a thinkin of buyin Guild Wars for the first time, I might be a bit (to put it lightly) put off by all these threads. .....just a thought |
Esprit
Positive and thread in the same sentence? Is that even possible? I think I read a comment a mod made saying that if this forum was full of positive threads, it would be a dust bowl.
When players are content they have no reason to post or probably even lack the motivation to post something nice.
When players are content they have no reason to post or probably even lack the motivation to post something nice.
Mumblyfish
For as long as the game has problems, there'll be threads packed with complaining. People seem surprised by this. Hm.
Sekkira
Kamp:
Getting flamed for being a Guild Wars/ArenaNet fanboy on a forum about Guild Wars hosted on a fan site about Guild Wars and endorsed somewhat by ArenaNet themselves. I think anyone who tries should be laughed at
Getting flamed for being a Guild Wars/ArenaNet fanboy on a forum about Guild Wars hosted on a fan site about Guild Wars and endorsed somewhat by ArenaNet themselves. I think anyone who tries should be laughed at
Sanji
Well, "General" Forums are not a good place for someone who needs to figure out if a game is for them or not. Mostly because Community Discussion forums are often a pungent and volatile mixture of blind zealots and jaded gamers who are often too busy being at each others' throat than worrying about silly things like embracing new blood.
Elistan Theocrat
Hey, even I can make a fairly non negative post.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51578
I'd like to think this one promotes some thought about what we'd like to see in PVP.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51578
I'd like to think this one promotes some thought about what we'd like to see in PVP.
ifuwerepbandj
Most of my positive threads are reserved for my guild's forum because I don't think most people here care about my guild wars dance parties. Most of the good times I have involve my guildies, but are irrelevant to anyone here.
Algren Cole
a positive thread would mean people weren't complaining....that's not possible
Artemis Bladewing
An example of a somewhat positive thread:
OP: WTS xxx item... offer plz
1stPerson: 10k
2nd Person:15k
3rdPerson: 25k
1stPerson: 50k
OP: Sold
(that is somewhat positive )
Anyway forums are for debates and people always believe to know everything better then the rest. Instead of flaming try to make zynical comments or jokes, thats alot more difficult then flaming without arguments.
(the funniest flamers are those who flame grammer and spelling)
OP: WTS xxx item... offer plz
1stPerson: 10k
2nd Person:15k
3rdPerson: 25k
1stPerson: 50k
OP: Sold
(that is somewhat positive
Anyway forums are for debates and people always believe to know everything better then the rest. Instead of flaming try to make zynical comments or jokes, thats alot more difficult then flaming without arguments.
(the funniest flamers are those who flame grammer and spelling)
Crimson_1190
NO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A POSITIVE THREAD AND YOU ARE ALL MORON N00BZ!!!
eh, just kidding . I think the reason is school is starting again...the kiddies going back to school/college has put them on edge. Also the change in the season and the nearing deadline for new content has people a bit more on the defensive...or maybe the people saying positive things are out playing the game more now than the people who aren't. For my money, i really haven't noticed a real change in the content of the forums. Alot of offline things have gotten my nickers in a twist recently, but unless everyone is having the same crap to deal with, I dont know 
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eh, just kidding
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IlikeGW
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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish
For as long as the game has problems, there'll be threads packed with complaining. People seem surprised by this. Hm.
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I've heard it expressed a million times by new players a week in... they don't know what the fuss is about and it seems negative to them. For you guys, just play the game and enjoy it. The problems don't arrive until end game, and there's plenty of meat in-between.
But there will obviously be "negative" posts as long as people feel there are things about the game terribly unfair/unfun/unrepresentative of what GW should be.
Phades
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=49874
That is a positive thread as well, but threads do not last forever.
That is a positive thread as well, but threads do not last forever.
varyag
I posted a positive and respectful thread...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51301
It was shutdown because out of the 22 posts only 4, including mine, were constructive, and the moderator decided to close the thread instead of cleaning it.
Summary of replies:
1. Elistan Theocrat - Professor - posted a one-liner response
2. baalzamonbarnes - Prominent Citizen - responded to Elistan
3. DarkWasp - Sancho Panza - responded to Elistan + out of topic complaint
4. Sekkira - Rocinante - out of topic response
5. SOT - Don Quixote - one liner response to the out of topic
6. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic demand to *thread lock*
7. Aniewiel - Facta, non verba - out of topic threat to *thread lock*
8. DarkWasp - Sancho Panza - out of topic comment
9. Robos Stavanis - Professor - On topic response to OP
10. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic comment
11. Mumblyfish - Councillor - out of topic comment
12. SOT - Don Quixote - out of topic flame
13. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic flame
14. SOT - Don Quixote - out of topic flame
15. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic flame
16. c h a v e z - Citizen - out of topic flame
17. IlikeGW - Citizen - On topic response to OP
18. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic response
19. c h a v e z - Citizen - out of topic response
20. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic response
21. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - On topic response to OP
(thread closed)
The moderator that closed it claimed that it inspired no constructive replies, and was filled with spam. In fact, there were three on topic replies that could have remained while the spam was deleted.
List of people who contribute to killing positive threads:
Elistan Theocrat, baalzamonbarnes, DarkWasp, Sekkira, SOT, Loviatar, Aniewiel, Mumblyfish, Nash, c h a v e z.
Because the above people are allowed to post spam without being warned and/or banned, and without their spam being removed, the killing of positive threads is de-facto supported on the forum.
Hope this answers the title question. Have a nice day.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51301
It was shutdown because out of the 22 posts only 4, including mine, were constructive, and the moderator decided to close the thread instead of cleaning it.
Summary of replies:
1. Elistan Theocrat - Professor - posted a one-liner response
2. baalzamonbarnes - Prominent Citizen - responded to Elistan
3. DarkWasp - Sancho Panza - responded to Elistan + out of topic complaint
4. Sekkira - Rocinante - out of topic response
5. SOT - Don Quixote - one liner response to the out of topic
6. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic demand to *thread lock*
7. Aniewiel - Facta, non verba - out of topic threat to *thread lock*
8. DarkWasp - Sancho Panza - out of topic comment
9. Robos Stavanis - Professor - On topic response to OP
10. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic comment
11. Mumblyfish - Councillor - out of topic comment
12. SOT - Don Quixote - out of topic flame
13. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic flame
14. SOT - Don Quixote - out of topic flame
15. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic flame
16. c h a v e z - Citizen - out of topic flame
17. IlikeGW - Citizen - On topic response to OP
18. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic response
19. c h a v e z - Citizen - out of topic response
20. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic response
21. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - On topic response to OP
(thread closed)
The moderator that closed it claimed that it inspired no constructive replies, and was filled with spam. In fact, there were three on topic replies that could have remained while the spam was deleted.
List of people who contribute to killing positive threads:
Elistan Theocrat, baalzamonbarnes, DarkWasp, Sekkira, SOT, Loviatar, Aniewiel, Mumblyfish, Nash, c h a v e z.
Because the above people are allowed to post spam without being warned and/or banned, and without their spam being removed, the killing of positive threads is de-facto supported on the forum.
Hope this answers the title question. Have a nice day.
Xonic
OMG guildwars is fun?!!!111!11omgone
that's umpossible, how can guildwars be fun?QQQqqq111omgtwo
that's umpossible, how can guildwars be fun?QQQqqq111omgtwo
Dax
Ah I think it's time for a group hug.
A couple more thoughts. First, if ya post something positive and you get flamed...so what? People who flame do so because they don't have a rational response.
Also, everyone was so jazzed when the game was released and I would guess in the beta. Has the game changed that much, or have you?... it's natural that games run thier course.
I can complain more than the next person so perhaps I'm just as guilty, but then I don't start too many threads I just repond.
I only say this because I've started another MMO (and no it is not WoW) which has been around for quite a while and it's amazing how much community spirit there is. (and yes even in general forums). I'm sure theres the usual problems, but you don't see it as much because people are actually civil to one another.
A couple more thoughts. First, if ya post something positive and you get flamed...so what? People who flame do so because they don't have a rational response.
Also, everyone was so jazzed when the game was released and I would guess in the beta. Has the game changed that much, or have you?... it's natural that games run thier course.
I can complain more than the next person so perhaps I'm just as guilty, but then I don't start too many threads I just repond.
I only say this because I've started another MMO (and no it is not WoW) which has been around for quite a while and it's amazing how much community spirit there is. (and yes even in general forums). I'm sure theres the usual problems, but you don't see it as much because people are actually civil to one another.
moonshadow
It's pretty depressing to come to a so-called "elite fan site" and see people ripping the game and developers left and right. There's a difference between constructive criticism (which there is a forum for "game suggestions" isn't there?) and just plain whining, tantrum throwing, and blatant hostility and negativity toward the devs and the game. It's the exact reason I abandoned the Guild Hall...this board isn't nearly as bad as that one. I think Guild Wars should wipe them off their elite fansite list, they are positively offensive over there.
Anyway, negative comments are expected to certain degree, but maybe too many people take this game too seriously (addicts, maybe?) that they seem to take it personally when something doesn't go their way in a game and get extremely hostile...many are given to downright rage...it's really kind of scary.
If people could keep "game suggestions" (I would think if you have a dislike of a particular area of the game, you could take your energy and compose a constructive criticism regarding that area) in the proper place, then the rest of the boards could actually be used for game discussion, and things like that.
I'm tired to death of seeing a new thread regarding this monk thing -- whether pro or con, it's just getting ridiculous. I don't have a "invinci-monk" or whatever it's called, and would like to see some other threads once in a while.
Anyway, negative comments are expected to certain degree, but maybe too many people take this game too seriously (addicts, maybe?) that they seem to take it personally when something doesn't go their way in a game and get extremely hostile...many are given to downright rage...it's really kind of scary.
If people could keep "game suggestions" (I would think if you have a dislike of a particular area of the game, you could take your energy and compose a constructive criticism regarding that area) in the proper place, then the rest of the boards could actually be used for game discussion, and things like that.
I'm tired to death of seeing a new thread regarding this monk thing -- whether pro or con, it's just getting ridiculous. I don't have a "invinci-monk" or whatever it's called, and would like to see some other threads once in a while.
Sanji
It's being an Elite Fan site that's the problem. If TGH or Guru gets taken off the Elite Fansite list, any site that gets bumped will just take their spot in being the place for people to blow off their hotair.
Anyone looking for an official forum or seeking to submit a suggestion finds this on the Guild Wars site.
Then are linked to the Forum pages. Obviously most people are going to the sites with fancy words like "Elite" on it, or pretty much the one on the top of the list.
Anyhow, most constructive game discussion tends to be setting up in game trades, game strategies (be it build, skill, or mission info), or as resource to recruit/join Guilds.
These are handled in their respective forums. Discussion forums are pretty much the place to go for people to air their grievences, whether it is in regards to the game, the company, or other players.
Anyone looking for an official forum or seeking to submit a suggestion finds this on the Guild Wars site.
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Anyhow, most constructive game discussion tends to be setting up in game trades, game strategies (be it build, skill, or mission info), or as resource to recruit/join Guilds.
These are handled in their respective forums. Discussion forums are pretty much the place to go for people to air their grievences, whether it is in regards to the game, the company, or other players.
moonshadow
I see your point, Sanji, but my point was that shouldn't those "suggestions" (which is putting it kindly for most of them) be posted in the Sanitarium which is specifically designed for game suggestions? Many of these criticisms should be posted as suggestions, but people can't get beyond their own need to rant constantly about the same stuff over and over until their needs are met immediately (gee, kind of like my two year old when I think about it). My point is this: If you have a criticism of the game, post a game suggestion in the Sanitarium and leave the rest of boards free for discussion. I wish people could post a criticism on this board without it being angry, hostile and much like a temper tantrum, but it just doesn't seem like that is ever going to happen.
Loviatar
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I posted a positive and respectful thread...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51301 It was shutdown because out of the 22 posts only 4, including mine, were constructive, and the moderator decided to close the thread instead of cleaning it. Summary of replies: 6. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic demand to *thread lock* |
just to set the record straight that post had no demand , request for or even a suggestion that the thread be closed.the reference to *thread lock* was from the moderators next post and not mine
thank you for checking
noblepaladin
Well the thing is if you are happy with the game, you keep playing it. If you notice something wrong you create a thread and complain and/or ask other people about it. If I were to create a thread about how great it is that A.Net allowed us to dye our armors, then I might get two other people who agree and that's it. Nothing comes out of it. If I post a thread about some problem in the game, I may get feedback and there is a good chance that A.Net will find out about the problem and fix it later. Constructive things come out of "negative" threads. However, even though a thread is "complaining" it should be made professional, and not have a whining tone to it. It should outline the problem clearly and explaining why you think it's a problem and maybe even suggest a solution and ask others for their feed back.
Sanji
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Originally Posted by moonshadow
I wish people could post a criticism on this board without it being angry, hostile and much like a temper tantrum, but it just doesn't seem like that is ever going to happen.
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Also realize that this is made worse by those who disdain such things read and thus interpret negative posts as even more offensive than the original poster had intended. What may seem like angry and hostile to you might just be someone who just signed off frustrated about an experience he had with the need to vent. The problem is that he never leaves a state of frustration as venting threads tend to get people who egg the original poster on (Whether they are crudely telling him to shut up or sharing their own experiences) and it continues to escalate until it fizzles out or gets locked.
In the end, it becomes a beast that can't be fed thanks to the limitations of human communication, especially in a written format.
varyag
Sure, and sometimes you have someone who isn't criticizing anything in the game and just posts a fact supported comment - and that reasonable comment burts into a Riot of flames courtesy of the people on this forum.
Don't be a hypocrite and ask for people to post in a relaxed fashion when you are killing their threads when they do.
I'm tired of the GuildHall bashing here too. Right now it has more constructive active discussions going on then here, and moderators delete spam instead of the entire thread.
Good Game.
Don't be a hypocrite and ask for people to post in a relaxed fashion when you are killing their threads when they do.
I'm tired of the GuildHall bashing here too. Right now it has more constructive active discussions going on then here, and moderators delete spam instead of the entire thread.
Good Game.
moonshadow
Well, I guess I'm speaking mostly of the posts with multiple exclamation points, all caps, F-words (or GO RED ENGINES, lol), general swearing, and calling the devs and each other names as if they were on a school-yard playground...this to me is communicating hostility. It was my hope that most of the people on the board knew reasonably well how to communicate their feelings without sounding like children having fits and tantrums.
I've been visiting message boards for a very long time, and I think I can reasonably tell when someone is having a silly fit, and when someone is communicating their feelings in a reasonable manner.
And I agree, varyag, that many times it's not the OP who has started it, but the responses to the OP create a nasty digression into flaming, name calling and whatever. But my point was regarding the general attitude of the threads themselves (whether the original post, or the responses) and why it always seems to deteriorate instead of just being a normal discussion, and the negativity is prevalent on both TGH and this board.
I have to be honest, I don't intend to "bash" TGH, I've never left a board in my life because of being offended. It's very severe over there, and while they do have some constructive threads, last time I visited the constructive threads were severely drowned out by the mean spritited, hostile, and tantrum threads...maybe it's changed recently, though...
I've been visiting message boards for a very long time, and I think I can reasonably tell when someone is having a silly fit, and when someone is communicating their feelings in a reasonable manner.
And I agree, varyag, that many times it's not the OP who has started it, but the responses to the OP create a nasty digression into flaming, name calling and whatever. But my point was regarding the general attitude of the threads themselves (whether the original post, or the responses) and why it always seems to deteriorate instead of just being a normal discussion, and the negativity is prevalent on both TGH and this board.
I have to be honest, I don't intend to "bash" TGH, I've never left a board in my life because of being offended. It's very severe over there, and while they do have some constructive threads, last time I visited the constructive threads were severely drowned out by the mean spritited, hostile, and tantrum threads...maybe it's changed recently, though...
varyag
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Also when moderators delete or close anything they always leave a comment and a warning. Since then that forum has quite a healthy appearance compared to this one where spammers are in total control over freedom of speech.
Aniewiel
You know, Varyag, it is a tough and rather thankless job being a moderator. When we delete posts, we are reviled. When we don't delete posts, we're reviled. When we close threads, we're bombarded with hateful PMs. When we don't close threads, we're bombarded with hateful PMs. Sorry to say but there's no pleasing everyone. We're only human and doing the best we can with a HUGE number of posts and members and a very limited staff. Believe it or not, most of us work fulltime jobs and do this for.....fun(?). *sighs*
SOT
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The problem is, when you make a positive thread you will get flamed to death for it.
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You know, Varyag, it is a tough and rather thankless job being a moderator. When we delete posts, we are reviled. When we don't delete posts, we're reviled. When we close threads, we're bombarded with hateful PMs. When we don't close threads, we're bombarded with hateful PMs. Sorry to say but there's no pleasing everyone. We're only human and doing the best we can with a HUGE number of posts and members and a very limited staff. Believe it or not, most of us work fulltime jobs and do this for.....fun(?). *sighs*
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I think this game is great, and although a small minority of people keep bitching and whining on a forum (petitions amuse me to no god damn end), the overall community of players that actually care about the game will whether these storms of idiocy and carry on into the next phase.
Sorrow's Furnace never sounded better to me
varyag
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You know, Varyag, it is a tough and rather thankless job being a moderator.... Believe it or not, most of us work fulltime jobs and do this for.....fun(?). *sighs*
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By the way Aniewiel, your post that I just quoted is SPAM because it does not contribute to the topic.
Comprehend?
Positive threads... is it possible?
Not when spam is allowed to dominate the forums. Not when people don't even comprehend what it means to be 'constructive and on topic'.
Not when positive threads get closed instead of being cleaned.
Here are my constructive suggestion: Start banning the obsessive compulsive spammers on this forum. Ban them for a day, then a week or a month on next offense. Spamming will die out so fast you'd start missing it. ^^
Aracos79
With all due respect sir, you "calling out" people for their "off topic" contributions is neither productive or positive. Further, it is completely off topic in relation to the subject of this thread. Take your own advice and stick to the subject at hand. Aniewiel works hard and deals with a lot of junk on these forums. Let the mods do their job and don't try to tell them how to do it please.
*On topic* There are plenty of positive things to say about the game. But discussing them really doesn't advance anything. They already work. They already are accepted. It's the things that don't work that need ideas, attention, and discussion. That's why most threads may appear negative in nature.
*On topic* There are plenty of positive things to say about the game. But discussing them really doesn't advance anything. They already work. They already are accepted. It's the things that don't work that need ideas, attention, and discussion. That's why most threads may appear negative in nature.
Aniewiel
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Mornin! I just noticed that in the last couple of days there hasn't been a positive Guild Wars thread on page one, except for the stickies. If I was a thinkin of buyin Guild Wars for the first time, I might be a bit (to put it lightly) put off by all these threads. .....just a thought |
On my watch, positive threads are very welcome. I see enough rotten crappy things IRL on a moment to moment basis (I teach at an inner city school) so it's rather refreshing to come here and find a few. It is always dismaying to see most of them degenerate into "fanboy flame fests". I can't tell you how overused I think that comment is in the GW community at large, not just here on these forums. Liking the game doesn't automatically imply that one doesn't see the need and necessity for improvement.
At any rate, I know that a lot of members like to see positive threads. But, like the real world around us, people like that are usually...quieter.
On the converse side, I also like to see a heated debate on issues. Argument? NO. Debate? Yes. Unfortunately, a lot of threads that are very interesting and entertaining debates get derailed by angry and profane posts on all sides of any given issue. It's too bad, really.
Lasareth
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This may not go over well, but that is nothing new: I only see YOU doing anything. Sorry, but I do. The other threads lock always, and I mean ALWAYS, seem to happen when they read something they don't like (not neccessarily degenerated posts either). You, however, seem to at least read them all the way through, and judge accordingly. I have never questioned your judgement in these matters.
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As far as the OP. I've said this before but in order to have a discussion you need to bring up a point of contention and have both sides argue on it. That's the nature of it all.
Aracos79
Debate and logical discourse are two things that are in short supply in our society these days. I can only speak for the US as that is where I live, but I fear that we are beginning to immitate our leaders. Why debate something logically when you can simply browbeat your opponent, call them lots of names, and insult everything they stand for? That is what passes for political discourse in America right now... the art of debate has been lost. And in it's place we have nothing but mudslinging
My apologies if that comment isn't as close to the topic as some might prefer. As someone who teaches about government for a living, such trends are very distressing to me personally.
My apologies if that comment isn't as close to the topic as some might prefer. As someone who teaches about government for a living, such trends are very distressing to me personally.
raven214
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Well the thing is if you are happy with the game, you keep playing it. If you notice something wrong you create a thread and complain and/or ask other people about it. If I were to create a thread about how great it is that A.Net allowed us to dye our armors, then I might get two other people who agree and that's it. Nothing comes out of it. If I post a thread about some problem in the game, I may get feedback and there is a good chance that A.Net will find out about the problem and fix it later. Constructive things come out of "negative" threads. However, even though a thread is "complaining" it should be made professional, and not have a whining tone to it. It should outline the problem clearly and explaining why you think it's a problem and maybe even suggest a solution and ask others for their feed back.
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Debate and logical discourse are two things that are in short supply in our society these days. I can only speak for the US as that is where I live, but I fear that we are beginning to immitate our leaders. Why debate something logically when you can simply browbeat your opponent, call them lots of names, and insult everything they stand for? That is what passes for political discourse in America right now... the art of debate has been lost. And in it's place we have nothing but mudslinging
My apologies if that comment isn't as close to the topic as some might prefer. As someone who teaches about government for a living, such trends are very distressing to me personally. |
LifeInfusion
The main problem is people are not constructive. I guess it is human nature that people are destructive.
For example, instead of proving points with valid arguments, attacking the people with opposite views. Like arcos says, there is less argument on what makes the idea wrong or right than the "mudslinging that goes around". In the forums, it is often illustrated in people saying they "own", other people are "n00bs", or saying someone is inexperienced or stupid.
A perfect example is the skill rebalancing issue. Some people might flame away at others views, but others may supply valid reasons why they think it shoudl remain the way it is or have something changed.
For example, instead of proving points with valid arguments, attacking the people with opposite views. Like arcos says, there is less argument on what makes the idea wrong or right than the "mudslinging that goes around". In the forums, it is often illustrated in people saying they "own", other people are "n00bs", or saying someone is inexperienced or stupid.
A perfect example is the skill rebalancing issue. Some people might flame away at others views, but others may supply valid reasons why they think it shoudl remain the way it is or have something changed.
nohooiam
no, its impossible.
Aria
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I posted a positive and respectful thread...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51301 It was shutdown because out of the 22 posts only 4, including mine, were constructive, and the moderator decided to close the thread instead of cleaning it. |
To varyag in particular, before one starts complaining about moderation, and how the moderator in question should've "cleaned" it instead of closing it, one should also realize that we're unpaid volunteers. Unpaid. Free time. Patrolling for spam/flames/trolling.
Is it honestly that hard to understand closing a thread that has 18/22 negative responses is much faster than spending an hour deleting those 18 posts. We have over 29k members in these forums. Forgive me if I don't take a huge chunk out of my time meticulously pruning and editing choice words and sections of a very volatile thread instead of closing the trouble causing factor in the first place.
In addition, if you have disputes about moderation, please PM the moderator in question, and if you disagree with what they have to say, feel free to PM other moderators and admins, also. Dragging out your complaints against the administration multiple times in public does nothing to help your cause, and merely takes up more of our time, also. So, enough. I won't warn you again.
To be back on topic.. Sure, negative subjects abound, but positive threads also exist -- threads like the frog thread in particular.
Despite being a pain to patrol, "complaint" threads, if worded in a constructive manner, tell me that people still care enough about Guild Wars to fight for the game that they love. I'm more afraid of people leaving and giving up on the game that they've dreamed of playing. Sure, it's a bit strange, but as long as people yell for changes, I know that they still care enough to stay and retain the original passion for Guild Wars that many many of us experienced, and still experience, since beta.
Rieselle
From my experiences at Eq2 and WoW forums, I must say, forums are just generally full of whining and flaming, especially in "general discussion"
However, one thing I'm missing here at GWGuru are more informative posts in the strategy and build sections. Particularly by the experienced players.
I think it's because everyone likes being secretive about their stuff, but I'm surprised there arent more serious whole-build posts (Like Yukito's W/N posts, or the fragility build posts), especially for entire party builds, and associated strategies. I'm talking about stuff like the excellent articles and "Class basics" stickies, only those things seem to all be from betas, and are now somewhat out of date.
Those are the only "positive" threads I'm looking for.
Threads that go "OMG! I just bought this game and its really good! I like it a lot! Dancing is cool!" are pretty pointless and are even less interesting than complaining threads, so I dont think they're that important.
Oh. and the "Terrorize Arenas with iQ" ... I'd love to hear people who were there, or the iQ members, post about what advice they were giving, what builds they were running, what things they discussed when they were planning their build, and how they performed against what teams, etc.
Those are the sorts of positive posts I'd be interested in.
However, one thing I'm missing here at GWGuru are more informative posts in the strategy and build sections. Particularly by the experienced players.
I think it's because everyone likes being secretive about their stuff, but I'm surprised there arent more serious whole-build posts (Like Yukito's W/N posts, or the fragility build posts), especially for entire party builds, and associated strategies. I'm talking about stuff like the excellent articles and "Class basics" stickies, only those things seem to all be from betas, and are now somewhat out of date.
Those are the only "positive" threads I'm looking for.
Threads that go "OMG! I just bought this game and its really good! I like it a lot! Dancing is cool!" are pretty pointless and are even less interesting than complaining threads, so I dont think they're that important.
Oh. and the "Terrorize Arenas with iQ" ... I'd love to hear people who were there, or the iQ members, post about what advice they were giving, what builds they were running, what things they discussed when they were planning their build, and how they performed against what teams, etc.
Those are the sorts of positive posts I'd be interested in.
PieXags
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
On the converse side, I also like to see a heated debate on issues. Argument? NO. Debate? Yes. Unfortunately, a lot of threads that are very interesting and entertaining debates get derailed by angry and profane posts on all sides of any given issue. It's too bad, really.
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Positive threads are like PieXags. They're good in nature, incredibly heart warming, inhumanly brilliant, and insanely sexy. Also like PieXags...they're incredibly rare. How many PieXags have you seen before? One? Yeah that sounds about right.