For those who don't get it yet:
Protective bond has been nerfed.
It is still possible to solo UW.
See it's not difficult to understand now is it? Please before you go off on a rant about how A.net nerfed your build or start crowing about how whining won over reasoned debate try experimenting and doing more than copying a build off a website. Clearly since they didn't nerf UW itself by adding necros or mesmers A.net feel that soloing UW is fine. They must have thought Prot. Bond was overpowered or broken so they fixed it, it's not a real problem for people with half a brain so please don't get worked up about it.
I'm not the greatest GW player ever but even I managed to come up with a build that can handle 4 Aatxes without any problems. Even got an ecto and sold it for 9k to a 105 who was selling off all his runes.
One last time - Solo Mo's have not been nerfed.
LathalDraugr
Sekkira
The problem I have is that the skill itself is rendered practically useless. A protection monk wouldn't use it in a fit with the amount of energy loss. Also, if what they're aiming for is to deter people from soloing, it hasn't made much of an impact, except making ectos more expensive.
crimsonfilms
Agree. Stop whinning and use your 'imagination' to find another build. That is half the fun. Cops and robbers kind of deal.
Second, Prot Bond also screwed up PvP. Certain team combos, you can have a monk that will take 4-10 minutes to kill because you lucked out and dont have a mesmer on your team. That monk is pretty much useless for his team but I still need to kill him to finish the match. Nothing more annoying than that - OK running rangers who cant deal damage or rez teammates are more annoying.
Second, Prot Bond also screwed up PvP. Certain team combos, you can have a monk that will take 4-10 minutes to kill because you lucked out and dont have a mesmer on your team. That monk is pretty much useless for his team but I still need to kill him to finish the match. Nothing more annoying than that - OK running rangers who cant deal damage or rez teammates are more annoying.
nailz
Seikkira is right...ectos are gonna skyrocket, the smart solo monks will continue to solo, and protective bond is utterly useless. No competent monk would ever use the skill. It would have made more sense to simply remove it.
The smart monks don't have a problem with them nerfing protective bond...there are other ways to continue soloing the underworld(a couple of them) as well as many other places. The smart monk is upset that arenanet continues to wash the balls of anyone willing to complain loud enough.
The smart monks don't have a problem with them nerfing protective bond...there are other ways to continue soloing the underworld(a couple of them) as well as many other places. The smart monk is upset that arenanet continues to wash the balls of anyone willing to complain loud enough.
crimsonfilms
Prot Bond is defintely not useless. Its just takes more user skill to use it - just like any game skill (elite or not).
My bet is - most complainers are those who got their invici monks via web tutorials
My bet is - most complainers are those who got their invici monks via web tutorials
Mithie
Prot bond still has its uses, especially on a secondary monk class.
Carinae
This fix actually make Prot Bond just as usefull to a */Mo and it is to a Mo/*.
It's a good fix. Prot Bond is still useful, but not overpowered. You can't aggro 10,000 ataxes anymore, but you can handle small mobs (3-4) safely.
It's a good fix. Prot Bond is still useful, but not overpowered. You can't aggro 10,000 ataxes anymore, but you can handle small mobs (3-4) safely.
Robos Stavanis
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The smart monk is upset that arenanet continues to wash the balls of anyone willing to complain loud enough.
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EAT U ALIVE
so your saying that you can still use protective bond but only can take about 4 axes?? cant u also take crasping darkness also?
Severe
No, protective bond is useless for soloing as is.
I've used other methods, just can't take on more than 4-5 aatxes as of now.
Already made 2 trips down, and cleared the same areas I always do with my tweaked build, it just costs me a few more clicks, that all.
I do thank all of you who so adamantly screamed so loud to nerf the "invisimonk" I can still solo there just fine, and you have all made my day by increasing the worth of my storage of ecto, which I received 2 this morning already.
Severe
I've used other methods, just can't take on more than 4-5 aatxes as of now.
Already made 2 trips down, and cleared the same areas I always do with my tweaked build, it just costs me a few more clicks, that all.
I do thank all of you who so adamantly screamed so loud to nerf the "invisimonk" I can still solo there just fine, and you have all made my day by increasing the worth of my storage of ecto, which I received 2 this morning already.
Severe
Mugon M. Musashi
you know, in that "reward" picture, you just could have droped it on the floor...
LathalDraugr
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Originally Posted by Mugon M. Musashi
you know, in that "reward" picture, you just could have droped it on the floor...
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nailz
I think I posted this in another thread...but you can still use Protective Bond as a Mo/Me
salja Wachi
this will make red Sonya scream even louder for another NERF!!!
which she will not get thank god
which she will not get thank god
funbun
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
this will make red Sonya scream even louder for another NERF!!!
which she will not get thank god |
"WTF. Monk still UW soloing? That's stupid. You can only play the game one way MY WAY. Grind the storyline. NO PvP. Just grind."
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by funbun
I wish I could see the look on her face right now.
"WTF. Monk still UW soloing? That's stupid. You can only play the game one way MY WAY. Grind the storyline. NO PvP. Just grind." |
she is just a griefer, nothing more and nothing less. i actually feel bad for her.
i bet her warrior monk thinks it actually has a chance to be good now lol
myword
nerfing prot bond just weeds out those who copy the solo monk build from forums online, that's fine with me!
Mithie
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
she is just a griefer, nothing more and nothing less. i actually feel bad for her.
i bet her warrior monk thinks it actually has a chance to be good now lol |
Savio
OK, BACK to the OP:
It was pretty sad when I was in Droknar's last night. People kept saying it was dead, my friend and I said it wasn't, then I got a bunch of PMs asking how to do it. Pathetic really.
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Originally Posted by LathalDraugr
For those who don't get it yet:
Protective bond has been nerfed. It is still possible to solo UW. See it's not difficult to understand now is it? Please before you go off on a rant about how A.net nerfed your build or start crowing about how whining won over reasoned debate try experimenting and doing more than copying a build off a website. |
salja Wachi
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Originally Posted by Mithie
You're just as bad by openly attacking other people with your diatribes. If you have a point, then please argue it civilly without resorting to personal attacks.
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actually not really my dear.
you see i do not want to change the game just because some people can do something i cannot. i believe everyone should have fun in their own way. if it is fun for a solo monk to do 100 UW runs a day i could care less. it has no effect on me whatsoever.
feel free to ignore my posts if you do not like them.
Yamat
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Originally Posted by Mithie
Prot bond still has its uses, especially on a secondary monk class.
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Phades
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
actually not really my dear.
you see i do not want to change the game just because some people can do something i cannot. i believe everyone should have fun in their own way. if it is fun for a solo monk to do 100 UW runs a day i could care less. it has no effect on me whatsoever. |
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
i bet her warrior monk thinks it actually has a chance to be good now lol
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Wow, class act there my friend.
nailz
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Originally Posted by Yamat
Agreed... still works as a monk protector placed by a W/Mo on a teams Mo.
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allowing your monk to take 6 hits(MAX) before it completely drains you of all your energy and drops....ya, that's super useful. let me waste a slot on my skillbar for that phenomenal skill. For that matter why don't I just leave my other 7 slots empty.
Phades: Salja doesn't play a 105 build monk...what he was saying is that Sonya was griefing because she was pissed off that her WaMo wasn't the most effective farmer anymore.
Perishiko ReLLiK
Everyone was making such a big deal over nerfing the monks... it's funny... it's only because it was the "well known" class that could, and still can solo underworld...
Just a clue for all you brain dead people out there. You can solo underworld without even having "Mo" with in your character. Grow some balls and test some things out... there are better builds that take alot less effort...
I've solo'd with my earth elementalist(although i dont do the "mesmer" spawning quest) *shux what a loss... lol*, and have a build being made to solo it with a ranger... no reason to state anything further then that... use your imagination.
After the ranger, comes my solo necro character (Could get tricky, might need the "mo" secondary for that one)
Just a clue for all you brain dead people out there. You can solo underworld without even having "Mo" with in your character. Grow some balls and test some things out... there are better builds that take alot less effort...
I've solo'd with my earth elementalist(although i dont do the "mesmer" spawning quest) *shux what a loss... lol*, and have a build being made to solo it with a ranger... no reason to state anything further then that... use your imagination.
After the ranger, comes my solo necro character (Could get tricky, might need the "mo" secondary for that one)
Mithie
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Originally Posted by nailz
allowing your monk to take 6 hits(MAX) before it completely drains you of all your energy and drops....ya, that's super useful. let me waste a slot on my skillbar for that phenomenal skill. For that matter why don't I just leave my other 7 slots empty.
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N/mo = compensated by Offering of Blood/soul reaping
W/mo = compensated by stances which evade attacks.
Me/mo = compensated by inspiration line energy management skills.
R/mo = compensated by evasion stances, expertise, or marks' wager.
Any questions?
nailz
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Originally Posted by Mithie
E/mo = compensated by energy storage and ether renewal.
N/mo = compensated by Offering of Blood/soul reaping W/mo = compensated by stances which evade attacks. Me/mo = compensated by inspiration line energy management skills. R/mo = compensated by evasion stances, expertise, or marks' wager. Any questions? |
Mithie
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Originally Posted by nailz
I still don't think WaMos could effectively hold up a prot bond...and I never said anything about other classes...I still think there are better skills to put in your skill bar that would benefit yourself and your monk far better than carrying around protective bond as a monk secondary....The monk has PLENTY of other skills they can use that do far more than protective bond does now.
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Mithie
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Originally Posted by BeatWolf
Even though the screen says "Bladed Aatax drops a Glob of Ecto" numb nuts..
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No? Haha, guess not
Frank The Tank
This will only really affect those who can't design a build, my first new re-design worked just fine. Just need to be a little more careful and the bars move around a bit more, but it still works. With some more tweaking it will be no different than before, plus my stock of ectos will probably double or triple in value. Already went to 11K ea. in half an hour. Plus, all the gold storm bows and eternal shields, etc. will be instantly worth double.
RandomEngy
From what I hear, all you have to do is use a 55 and replace Protective Bond with Protective Spirit, and make sure to use Bonettis. Now why doesn't everyone just swap out that one skill, or use that one extra item, and continute on thier merry way soloing the hardest area in the game (meant to be a challenge for teams of 8) by using a cute trick they found on the internet. Then after it gets nerfed for real, maybe people that don't feel like using their PVP character slot, grinding a primary monk character to 20, buying a ton of expensive runes, then repetitivly abusing a combination of skills will be on equal footing with the rest.
Pure Domination
Personally I´m not pissed about the fact the normal 55/105 build is nerfed (coz I use a different build). The thing that bothers me is the fact that this nerf WAS a direct strike against the farmers. PB is totally useless now. Imagine you put PB on a mate in PVP, that will give you -3 nrg each time he gets hit (unless you fire up Balthasar Spirit or the other one). That means you will have a VERY hard time to do something else than trying to hold PB active. Lets say your monk has 50 nrg. That means your mate can get hit 17 times, then you are out of energy. With a smiting opponent no problem to make these hits in a few seconds. Now what ? Spend one protector just for ONE other player ? No, you just drop PB from your skill bar. The the only reason for nerfing that skill can be the 55/105 build. But if Anet says something different....well....it sounds not very serious....
Red Sonya
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
this will make red Sonya scream even louder for another NERF!!!
which she will not get thank god |
Removing the -50hp quest icon. Heh, another nerf is coming, this one did, what makes you think it will stop there? hahahaha muahahahahah.
Mithie
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Originally Posted by Pure Domination
Personally I´m not pissed about the fact the normal 55/105 build is nerfed (coz I use a different build). The thing that bothers me is the fact that this nerf WAS a direct strike against the farmers. PB is totally useless now. Imagine you put PB on a mate in PVP, that will give you -3 nrg each time he gets hit (unless you fire up Balthasar Spirit or the other one). That means you will have a VERY hard time to do something else than trying to hold PB active. Lets say your monk has 50 nrg. That means your mate can get hit 17 times, then you are out of energy. With a smiting opponent no problem to make these hits in a few seconds. Now what ? Spend one protector just for ONE other player ? No, you just drop PB from your skill bar. The the only reason for nerfing that skill can be the 55/105 build. But if Anet says something different....well....it sounds not very serious....
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dansamy
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
And what makes you think that, I already know about Protective Spirt and have already started the move to change it also, cast time cost more energy, stuff like that.
Removing the -50hp quest icon. Heh, another nerf is coming, this one did, what makes you think it will stop there? hahahaha muahahahahah. |
lishi
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Originally Posted by Mithie
Prot bond IS NOT useless. THERE IS a certain thing called energy management. Prot bond will NOT work vs. sustained dps. Prot bond WILL work against adren/light/SoJ spikes.
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Sereng Amaranth
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Originally Posted by dansamy
I got 2 -70hp icons in FoW in one night.
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what
if you are to replace PB with PS.. the only bad thing i could think off is that once PS ends and you try to recast it and gets interrupt.. you're screwed..
of course, there is a way to prevent the interruption...
of course, there is a way to prevent the interruption...
Pure Domination
you wont have massive nrg problems, so can even "spam" PS (fire up zealots be4). Since you get the +2 nrg each hit + the +5 from bonetti´s, you basicly have full nrg all the time.
Anita
Mo/W with 55 build is still very viable for solo'ing UW. I already made mine to be able to. Pretty easily...just find out how yourself.
Anton H
To save everyone from guessing (and to protect my rune investment)
Swap Essence Bond with Watchful Spirit
Swap Prot Bond with Prot Spirit.
For the win.
Swap Essence Bond with Watchful Spirit
Swap Prot Bond with Prot Spirit.
For the win.