So I think theres a few bots in LA dis 1 (need your thoughts pelase)
Oy Roy
Every night or so theres these ppl who are at storage spamming that they are selling weapons gold unidentified blah blah blah for like 40k and all types of prices.
So i go up there and I buy like 4 or 5 weapons for like 100k, this is where it gets interesting...
So right after I close my trade and finish it another trade instantly with another person, so im like ok. And 7 gold unidentified weapons intantly appear. The person says 70k ok???, want?, for sell you need? and then i just closed it because I was short on cash. And then another trade instantly opens from another person. (note, that humans dont know exactly when a trade is going to end) and this happened reapetedly for like 5 ppl in a row. I kept canceling and every once in a while asking how much. The vocabulary of these people was so little that this is practically all they said.
vocab:
you need?
for sale you need???
yes/no?
70k ok???
100k for all
lol
and a few other things.
I DO have screenshots that I am thinking of turning them into A.net but Im not sure if these are bots for sure. They dont sound english, and their grammar is odd.
And ive done this once before which is really weird, i added the person onto my friends list and noticed he was spamming in trade again. So i bought those 4 weapons 2 were long swords gold unid req 8 and 9 and 2 warhammers the same way. But whats odd is, every weapon that i have bought from this person I did not GET ANYTHING good out of identifieing them. And this is about 10 different unid gold weapons of different types. And out of all of these i got like 2 +30hps which i did not successfully salvage and many others.
So im getting a feeling something is messed up here. ANY HELP or comments on this matter?
Anyone else have this happen to you also???
And finally, should i show ss of these ppl and turn them in to A.net?
So i go up there and I buy like 4 or 5 weapons for like 100k, this is where it gets interesting...
So right after I close my trade and finish it another trade instantly with another person, so im like ok. And 7 gold unidentified weapons intantly appear. The person says 70k ok???, want?, for sell you need? and then i just closed it because I was short on cash. And then another trade instantly opens from another person. (note, that humans dont know exactly when a trade is going to end) and this happened reapetedly for like 5 ppl in a row. I kept canceling and every once in a while asking how much. The vocabulary of these people was so little that this is practically all they said.
vocab:
you need?
for sale you need???
yes/no?
70k ok???
100k for all
lol
and a few other things.
I DO have screenshots that I am thinking of turning them into A.net but Im not sure if these are bots for sure. They dont sound english, and their grammar is odd.
And ive done this once before which is really weird, i added the person onto my friends list and noticed he was spamming in trade again. So i bought those 4 weapons 2 were long swords gold unid req 8 and 9 and 2 warhammers the same way. But whats odd is, every weapon that i have bought from this person I did not GET ANYTHING good out of identifieing them. And this is about 10 different unid gold weapons of different types. And out of all of these i got like 2 +30hps which i did not successfully salvage and many others.
So im getting a feeling something is messed up here. ANY HELP or comments on this matter?
Anyone else have this happen to you also???
And finally, should i show ss of these ppl and turn them in to A.net?
Divine Elemental
happened to me
probably bots
it was really weird and cool at same time...
it was a chinese name but i forgot
and theres also bots at abadons mouth ^^
bots who group and invite u and they dont go to u nor follow u
they split up like idiots and accidently get agros
probably bots
it was really weird and cool at same time...
it was a chinese name but i forgot
and theres also bots at abadons mouth ^^
bots who group and invite u and they dont go to u nor follow u
they split up like idiots and accidently get agros
TopGun
I'd like to see the screenshots before I jump to any conclusions. If you post them, that would likely be the most beneficial aide to making a good decision here... keep in mind, you can always opt to do nothing, after all, it's just a game, if someone's using bots, it doesn't really bother me. ::shrug:: my /age shows that I average about 1.5hrs per day...
Oy Roy
because everytime I did something from that guy I couldnt salvage it. and everything else sucked.
but i am almost positive that these ppl were bots. im just ganna go ahead and post some screenshots that i took.
heres one where it responds in a weird way...
but i am almost positive that these ppl were bots. im just ganna go ahead and post some screenshots that i took.
heres one where it responds in a weird way...
cpage01
I think your lieing. If it happens to me ill believe it.
Oy Roy
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Originally Posted by cpage01
I think your lieing. If it happens to me ill believe it.
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and if you want more proof i have at least 10 more screenshots, i might find the best ones and show yall.
*note that they all invited each other into the same party so that might tell something im not sure.
** second note, that micra tors is actually a friend that was talking to ignore that.
Divine Elemental
ye
dj nv hai dude is always at LA
he dont reply
he used to be in a guild with all idiots i meant people who just act or maybe are bots
dj nv hai dude is always at LA
he dont reply
he used to be in a guild with all idiots i meant people who just act or maybe are bots
Oy Roy
odd...
Oy Roy
So should I turn them in or what?
Aracos79
I don't think it qualifies as a violation. They aren't using an actual bot or script, at least not when they're hanging around a city selling stuff. Although from what I have read, they spend the rest of their time baby sitting farming bot scripts. But sitting around LA selling stuff isn't violating anything I don't think.
TopGun
If we go with the human bot theory, then there's nothing that can be done... nor should it, I guess if you're going to have a shitty job, it might as well be a shitty job in front of a computer... ::shrug:: I don't know Asian gaming customs, but just let this slide.
**LOL and Conker has a point, but face it, we ALL shudder when we see a Korean team in Tombs!
**LOL and Conker has a point, but face it, we ALL shudder when we see a Korean team in Tombs!
Starsky-sama
some of these names are the (bot?)spammers @ ember light. (ie. Dj)
guess when their tired of the ppl intown not understanding what their advertising, they go "manual" selling mode in another town. hehe.
*their vocab. simply states, "english is not their 1st language".
**again, only Anet can try to differentiate if these ppl are using bots or not.
-cheers.
guess when their tired of the ppl intown not understanding what their advertising, they go "manual" selling mode in another town. hehe.
*their vocab. simply states, "english is not their 1st language".
**again, only Anet can try to differentiate if these ppl are using bots or not.
-cheers.
30PSI
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what are u racist? its only a few ppl that are "botters" and i know them all i think, nice wenyou, Dj nv hai, kin kun, and any other guys with weird names.. they might be asian but it dont happen always in asia.. ur like saying ppl do drugs in mexico |
nailz
they're probably just koreans..they don't speak english all that well you know.
Hamstein
I have moticed Miss Begkiss,Dissolute girl and a couple of others have pretty much constantly been in LA in the last 4 or 5 days spamming unid`d gold weapons.
Sif pay 100k for an unid`d Fellblade lol.
Sif pay 100k for an unid`d Fellblade lol.
Divine Elemental
OMG
thats the name
Nice wenyou!
that was my seller
i bought unid items off her for 15-30k each
and turned out 3 of em are 13-15^50 ^^
although i think
nice wenyou and dj nv hai are bots
spamming unid items too o.O
thats the name
Nice wenyou!
that was my seller
i bought unid items off her for 15-30k each
and turned out 3 of em are 13-15^50 ^^
although i think
nice wenyou and dj nv hai are bots
spamming unid items too o.O
Rossaroni
It reminds me of Lineage 2. That game had the worst. environment. ever. PvP was not a contest, PvE was griefing, it was all items- and gold-based. Best farmer = best in everything, which meant botters = teh win.
Ventius Hozza
you know, if you ever happen to visit ember light camp in eu dist. (not sure if it happens in the US) there are these people who have a message i think in chinese, that ends in MMMMMMMMMMMM then a number. these people go on for hours, f/i i went in at 10am and they go MMMMMMMMMMM1, i come back at 3pm and they are ending in MMMMMMMMMMMM4. whats up with this? they do it every day of the week, 24/7.
JeremyC1234
all those names you listed are deffinily bots or people that get paid for selling. There on 24/7 and always spamming. The items they sell tho can be good and usually very cheap because they need to sell alot. (or they get whipped or fired.) Go to droknars very late at night and there is alot of these farmers selling very cheap working in teams (like you said one trade opens up after another) . I have gotten very good deals before.
Numa Pompilius
FFS just report them and let ANet sort it out. It's not like people on this board can either tell if these are bots or chinese computer-sweatshop-employees, OR do anything about it either way.
JYX
I have no idea what you're talking about. In China at least its simply not possible to play in US districts, I went there and tried about 3 weeks ago. For a start nowhere in China can you get a copy of Guild Wars...nobody even knows what Guild Wars is. Since the netbars where most people do their "business" has no CD drives, I had to download it off the net...that took some time. So 2 hours later...it was up and running and GOOD GOD...it wasn't actually physically possible to move around. I have no idea why the lag was so bad...I could download from US/Euro servers fine, ping servers fine, even play certain other games on Euro servers fine (although limited, I could go on my friend's CS server...but most other servers was poor too). I timed out and had connection errors three times before even managing to move around a bit...once I did manage to move about...it was extremely laggy...it literally takes 10-15 seconds to move a meter. Spells take 20 seconds upwards to cast and simply connecting to the game takes a good five minutes.
The physical distance from China to US isn't that far...I figure its the national firewall or something like that...since even Korean servers (for Wc3) are unplayable they're so laggy. Frozen Throne is extremely popular in China...nobody plays it on battlenet though...mostly "QQ" or "Game" private networks. As such...most MMORPGs played in China aren't even heard of here...for both networking reasons and financial reasons. World of Warcraft is extremely popular there...in a "netbar" with about 1000 computers...I could say easily a couple hundred were on World of Warcraft. The rest spread out between CS and Frozen Throne. Why?...because its not laggy like a tape recorder running Doom. As for playing MMORPGs for money...I spoke with a few people about (cousins, friends etc.) that since I couldn't see anyone botting, most of them insist that because of the difference in games that they play, the immense lag when attempting to play any western MMORPG, and since most of China is quite poor...theres just no market for it, people can't afford to burn cash on e-items...you simply won't get any money out of it. The only games that people farm are the ones with company-run initiatives where you can exchange in-game goods for money and vice versa...kinda like entropia...then it gets kinda crazy with people running 7-10 instances of one game, each complete with its own bot on one PC...then hiring out about 3-4 PCs....muchos farmage ensues >.>
Oh BTW...I didn't just pick out any country shack to draw my conclusions from...this was a recurring theme throughout Xian, Beijing...and some other city near huangshan that i forgot the name of...
The physical distance from China to US isn't that far...I figure its the national firewall or something like that...since even Korean servers (for Wc3) are unplayable they're so laggy. Frozen Throne is extremely popular in China...nobody plays it on battlenet though...mostly "QQ" or "Game" private networks. As such...most MMORPGs played in China aren't even heard of here...for both networking reasons and financial reasons. World of Warcraft is extremely popular there...in a "netbar" with about 1000 computers...I could say easily a couple hundred were on World of Warcraft. The rest spread out between CS and Frozen Throne. Why?...because its not laggy like a tape recorder running Doom. As for playing MMORPGs for money...I spoke with a few people about (cousins, friends etc.) that since I couldn't see anyone botting, most of them insist that because of the difference in games that they play, the immense lag when attempting to play any western MMORPG, and since most of China is quite poor...theres just no market for it, people can't afford to burn cash on e-items...you simply won't get any money out of it. The only games that people farm are the ones with company-run initiatives where you can exchange in-game goods for money and vice versa...kinda like entropia...then it gets kinda crazy with people running 7-10 instances of one game, each complete with its own bot on one PC...then hiring out about 3-4 PCs....muchos farmage ensues >.>
Oh BTW...I didn't just pick out any country shack to draw my conclusions from...this was a recurring theme throughout Xian, Beijing...and some other city near huangshan that i forgot the name of...
Acidstorm
Why is everyone talking about Chinese farmers? It's Koreans more than likely. As Everous said, they don't even know about GW and sounds like it would be impossible to play it from China.
trelloskilos
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Originally Posted by Acidstorm
Why is everyone talking about Chinese farmers? It's Koreans more than likely. As Everous said, they don't even know about GW and sounds like it would be impossible to play it from China.
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Schorny
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Originally Posted by ayb
i fully understand blanking your skill bar (god FORBID anet interfere with your precious invincimonk build)
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Anet has all the data. They know when you enter which area with what skills and kill what enemies with what skills, taking what amount of damage, etc.
They don't need to scan a forum for that info.
The reason to blank this stuff is because you don't want to share your build/strategy (which is fine) but to hide from anet is, well, just stupid.
zehly
Whether it's Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or whatever, it comes from Asia. Why do you think they work the HoH so hard? So they can farm in FoW/UW. It's not racist.
As for the trade things? It's either bots, or people using augmented macros (against EULA) to speed up trading. It's impossible for anyone to drag/drop stuff to the trade window as fast as you described. In any case, I wouldn't do business with them.
As for the trade things? It's either bots, or people using augmented macros (against EULA) to speed up trading. It's impossible for anyone to drag/drop stuff to the trade window as fast as you described. In any case, I wouldn't do business with them.
The undead Mesmer
i saw that likk cllbl boy a few times in the european districts trying to sell some max-damage items he walked and such so the bot must be programmed for that
Mithie
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Originally Posted by 30PSI
Welcome to MMORPG's, these people are known as "Chinese Farmers", you'll see them in EVERY MMORPG out there be it Lineage 2, World of Warcraft, FFXI, GuildWars, City of Heroes, just to name a few. I read an article about this 2 years ago, it was on the news that some big company in china hired nearly 30,000 gamers to farm online game currency and sell it online making billion of dollars a year while only pay their workers/gamers $7-8 a day. Unfortunately, there's no solution to fix this problem unless the game companies take some serious actions, we're talking millions of dollar business here, quite a bit of cash flow per year, not some casual small timer botters.
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Sagius Truthbarron
Some of these people are notorious con-artists and Buy-Extremely-Low-Sell-Extremely-High merchants even among the Chinese merchants I've talked to. These people probably are botting, but to say that all Chinese or Asian players are farmers is completely ludicrous and racist.
trelloskilos
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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron
Some of these people are notorious con-artists and Buy-Extremely-Low-Sell-Extremely-High merchants even among the Chinese merchants I've talked to. These people probably are botting, but to say that all Chinese or Asian players are farmers is completely ludicrous and racist.
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It may be that seeing an unintelligable string of characters repeating patterns, or the terrible english has nothing to do with Korea, but is simply "computer text", that western speakers assume is Chinese or a Asian word spelt phonetically usig the western alphabet, or a programmed bot using basic sentences designed to be recognised on all 3 servers and in all languages.
Saying that all Asian players are farmers is an assumption based on these facts, but to some degree, all PvE gamers are farmers, whether it's just accumulating and salvaging while on a quest, or a concentrated grind, the purpose is still the same.
However, without wanting to sound racist, I still think that despite the alternate possibilities I outlined above for the jargon and broken english, that the majority of botters do hail from the far east. At least the ones that I have come across seem to do so anyway....
Mordakai
If this is so well documented, why doesn't Anet ban their accounts or something (if they are bots, or working with bots, that's against policy, correct?)
Brannor
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Originally Posted by trelloskilos
It may be that seeing an unintelligable string of characters repeating patterns, or the terrible english has nothing to do with Korea, but is simply "computer text", that western speakers assume is Chinese or a Asian word spelt phonetically usig the western alphabet, or a programmed bot using basic sentences designed to be recognised on all 3 servers and in all languages.
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A bot could contact a 'customer' and if the customer does not answer in a certain way, it is a human player.
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Saying that all Asian players are farmers is an assumption based on these facts, but to some degree, all PvE gamers are farmers, whether it's just accumulating and salvaging while on a quest, or a concentrated grind, the purpose is still the same. |
More like people only reading what they want to read, blowing stuff out of perportion and jumping at a chance to flame people.
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Foppe
Lol, I'd like to see a bot bugged and sell shit for just nothing lol :>
Diplo
Well, if it's a bot then it's author should be congratulated for passing the Turing Test.
salja Wachi
you know what really strikes me in those screenies???
you have way too many W/MO'S in your group
might i sugest you broaden your horizons???
you have way too many W/MO'S in your group
might i sugest you broaden your horizons???
Sagius Truthbarron
This fellow in the first few screen shots is not a bot (Atleast, not in a chat bot sence). Here, I talked to someone that appears to be him o.o
He just doesn't speak English well
Offtopic: Salji, W/mo is the common farmer of those little flesh goblin guys outside Ember Light Camp.
He just doesn't speak English well
Offtopic: Salji, W/mo is the common farmer of those little flesh goblin guys outside Ember Light Camp.
khara
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you know what really strikes me in those screenies???
you have way too many W/MO'S in your group might i sugest you broaden your horizons??? |
Sir Skullcrasher
here what we should do to all these botters just ban them for life already!! It like counter strike (used to be admin for a CS clan) if they breake a rules, ban them and end of discussion!
by the way, i don't get why people have to use bots to sell stuff?
by the way, i don't get why people have to use bots to sell stuff?
rsx
I had the same experience at ember light camp. There was this person who was selling gold fiery dragon swords for cheap. He/She used the same dialogue that you mentioned. I bought 2 gold max fiery dragon swords w/ dmg mods from him/her for 3k each.
ImagoX
Ah, I so cannot WAIT for when ArenaNet and every other MMO developer integrates an approved auction space into their games, so that we can put an end to all of this crap.
SOE is doing it, and they will guarantee the sale. Once a light is shined on how things sell in MMOs then the full weight of the market can and will be brought to bear on it, and scame will dry up. The assumption that the economy of a MMO is not related to the real world's economy is complete and utter bull, and the sooner game developers stop deluding themselves to this fact the sooner we can all move on to a game that lets everyone play like they want to, and in which a person with a few extra bucks in their wallet can just buy an item that they'd otherwise be too busy or unmotivated to grind for.
Pay-to-play deals like won't go away. Even if the devs oversee the sales, it will still always be a case of "let the buyer beware", but as was pointed out, the sum of money that paid Asian players get might be "paltry" here in the US but it's GOOD MONEY over there. Why not encourage them to do it and do it in a protected place with developer oversite? If I were in a country with limited job opportunities and high poverty, I'd rather make money playing MMOs than working in a feild or in a consruction companyor some other menial job (although endless item farming isn't exactly like engineering a bridge or performing open-heart surgery, I'll grant you).
SOE is doing it, and they will guarantee the sale. Once a light is shined on how things sell in MMOs then the full weight of the market can and will be brought to bear on it, and scame will dry up. The assumption that the economy of a MMO is not related to the real world's economy is complete and utter bull, and the sooner game developers stop deluding themselves to this fact the sooner we can all move on to a game that lets everyone play like they want to, and in which a person with a few extra bucks in their wallet can just buy an item that they'd otherwise be too busy or unmotivated to grind for.
Pay-to-play deals like won't go away. Even if the devs oversee the sales, it will still always be a case of "let the buyer beware", but as was pointed out, the sum of money that paid Asian players get might be "paltry" here in the US but it's GOOD MONEY over there. Why not encourage them to do it and do it in a protected place with developer oversite? If I were in a country with limited job opportunities and high poverty, I'd rather make money playing MMOs than working in a feild or in a consruction companyor some other menial job (although endless item farming isn't exactly like engineering a bridge or performing open-heart surgery, I'll grant you).
Dralon
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Okay, the article says these asian "Botters" get paid 7-8 dollars a day. THAT IS A LOT. That's almost as much as I earn in a day and I HAVE A master's degree in engineering. So this is definitely NOT cheap, and I'm not sure if it fits in with the sweatshop stereotype. I would GLADLY play games instead of designing these stupid tooling molds on autocad for that salary.
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What??? Who do you engineer for, your uncle in his basement. I think you need to look at those numbers again.