So I think theres a few bots in LA dis 1 (need your thoughts pelase)

Sorry, but there is no way ill end up playing any game that sanctions the direct benefit of who has the deepest pockets while playing a game. Quite frankly it stops being a game at that point. I know people coin phrases like playing the market and what not, but stock trading is hardly a game. Introducing elements that promote not playing the game detracts from the game. Trying to have a competitive environment where just spending more real life currency will swing the favor of who is on top doesnt work, it just leads to corruption.

The copouts that lead to buyouts within virtual environments are defeating the purpose entirely of playing the game. At this point is when i wonder if merely the act of spending money is fun to some people. Sure there are grind arguments in there, but that is a game balance issue, not a fundamental economics one that people are trying to turn it into.

Because that's where most, but not all, of the sweatshops are.
http://www.ferrago.com/story/6193
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141815

Companies like IGE then buy the farmed gold/goods from the sweatshops, and resell on ebay (or through their own websites).

exactly, me stating on my profile that i am a monk/warrior does mean i farm some, but i just dont want to give away my build because it is much different that anyone elses. no ideas for you guys =P and sometimes i also use that so called "invinci monk" build, but thats not the point. stop trying to bash this topic and recall to my blank spots. as for the griffin wings, at the begining it blanked it out not to get any flaming from some ppl for farming, but hey i realized it doesnt really matter everyone does it.

as for the botting, im not ganna turn them in at the moment.

Those were all the bots/ppl who invited theirselves into the group. im preaty sure i wasnt the leader of the group and they were all surrounding me constantly opening trade spamming prices and stuff.

oh and earlier today there was one of the same guys who pmed me and said need items? and he whispered like 9 lines almost instantly like he had sentences binded to keys or something it was odd.

p.s sorry for double post not trying to bump this

edit: i just realized that i was leader.... odd it must have been just one person who i invited and he had a group already.

Also Mexico.

A number of points. First, that $7 or $8 (American currency) may be enough to pay for daily expenses in their country. As long as the workers get paid a "living wage", I have no problem with it. Second, China is a growing market, and companies understandably want to get a piece of the action in that country. So if a subscription based game like WoW can rake in 30,000 monthly subscription fees (plus expansion for each account) in China, then it's hard for the publisher to say no to that stream of cashflow.

*adds Canadians into the quote*

If that's the going rate of pay for employees w/ master in engineering in China, that's what he gets. No sense in arguing over what he gets paid.

One American $ = appromixately 8 Chinese dollars (yuan) give or take some cents.

Considering that I'm in NYC, I can tell you that there's a lot of rich people who spend money for fun (blow $1,000 or more on a bottle of aged wine at a pricey club) and think nothing of it. (of course, there's also a lot of poor people in the city too.)

Also, I should point out that even if a character is decked in the best equipment and with everything unlocked, it's not a guarantee that he will win in pvp or survive uw/fow. Why? player skill. That's where the game balance comes into play, imo.

You probably live in American or Europe (as do I). The minimum wages there are rather... misleading... as to what the rest of the world gets.

That's pretty good in China, and from what I know, very reasonable for some types of engineers.


My suggestion is you learn a bit more about the outside world before you start doubting others.

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141815

Enough said.

WRONG!

Check out this post, were we at TGH did some research and found these "sweatshops" pay 4 times the average wages in that region - "cushy job" sounds more appropriate. It refers to the 1up.com article you posted.

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Wow I am impressed by your research - very well done. Now if that author of the article did that we wouldn't have this debate LOL! But at least now we HAVE EVIDENCE that they are getting paid pretty sweet wages. Booyah. Astral, you're a better journalist than that guy
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dont think its bots, i met one of these people, and i only like her req 8 shortbow. she said "all for 100k you want" i said no, i only want the short bow req 8 for 20k, and she said ok and sold it. too bad it was 14% vs hexed foes

Whichever is true (personally I doubt chinese adena-farm owners pay their employees more than they absolutely have to - why should they? minding bots don't require skill or education, and the real money is being made by the resellers, like IGE, anyway), the point remains that most of these "Adena farms" are in China, because of the very low wages.

Which is why people were talking about chinese bots, and chinese botters. I'm sure especially India will soon latch on to this, but at the moment the bots & their human minders are almost exclusively chinese.

The company I work for is Siemens (ironically a German corporation staffed by Japanese investors, and no, I don't know exactly how that works either). We deal with electronics and lower threading silicon product fabrication. My salary is considered above average in my department, which manages mold design and assembly streamlining. I get paid 3 dollars more a day than these "poor, helpless Chinese slave farmers who work in sweatshops, boo hoo". Man, if I could find one of these "sweatshops", you can bet your butt I'd change my career in a heartbeat.

Mithie: If you actually, really, for real, have a full-time (the Chinese work 10 hours or more per day) job which pays $9 (6 euros) per day, then you definitely, absolutely, right this instant, need to get another job. Flip burgers at McDonalds for 5x your present wage, just as an example. And inform your union that Siemens is paying you way *way* under the German minimum wage.

The corporation here is located in Xian, which is the equivalent of Alabamba in terms of redneck country way out in the hell of nowhere. Getting a new job is going to be a tough transition and at the moment I don't see a need to change jobs since I can live off this current salary just fine. Salary varies a whole lot from city to city in China, but so does the consumer prices. For the equivalent of 10 cents USD, I can take my family out to a nice restaurant here. In Shanghai, that wouldn't even get you a soda.

As for the German min. wage, I don't think it extends here.

Sorry, I read you as that you were working for Siemens *in Germany*. My mistake.

Actually, it's ME that's sorry, because, quite frankly, *I* am sick of people with "deep pockets" time-wise. The fact of the matter is that for every person that can "afford" to "spend" 2-7 (or more) hours per day playing a MMO, farming items, levelling, etc. there's literally dozens of pelple like me who are "poor" time-wise and who get frustrated when you're forced to endure some level of grind to get good gear, travel to good quest areas or obtain other "advanced" gameplay materials. In this context and within the artificial space of a game universe, money and time are both finite resources and both have real "worth" in the game space. The difference is that some people (and it sounds like you're one of them, Phades) are "wealthy" in one respect and you're jealous and scared as crap of anyone that can compete on a different axis.

Here's the bottom line at least as how *I* see it, given my experience with marketing and sales...

SOE has thrown down the gauntlet and created a system where they can make a small profit on every transaction that they know are being made on eBay anyway (read that again: ...on every transaction that they know is being made on eBay anyway) by creating an official auction house. Right now MMO developers and publishers have to actually SPEND money to catch people selling in-game items, money that could otherwise go to paying developers and artists to make updates faster, BTW. What SOE will offer is convenience (do the transaction right in-game without having to go to an outside site) and security (they will guarantee the transaction will go through and will give you a recourse if you get scammed).

If devs like ArenaNet don't step up and folow suit, then they are 100% aware, I guarantee it, that people like me (with the occasional $5-$10 extra bucks in my wallet and the occasional desire to save myself a few dozen hours of play to farm gold or items- I have a job and a family- sue me for being "poor" time-wise) will go to a developer's game that will make this easy and guaranteed.

Might as not whine about it- just accept it because by this time next year I predict that EVERY MMO will offer in-game auction spaces and in 3 years we'll be having forum posts that read like "Remember the horrible old days when you had to go to eBay to buy something as simple as an in-game item or gold, and everywhere you went there were people endlessly spamming, spamming, SPAMMING about what they were trying to sell you? Isn't is so much nicer now, where people can choose whether to "spend" either time OR money to get the same thing, everyone can go to an auction space (or not) to buy things (or not) and developers can pay attention to more important things like getting updates out faster?"

Wow, what a diverse party you have

so what your saying is all the W/Mo in your party are bots? im a little confused

i dont know

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Umm.... what? hyper your just spamming really bad, and im not sure if all of those people in my party were selling stuff maybe they were selling to someone else also im not sure there was so much spam i couldnt tell anything that was goin on.

Hyper why dont you post something that makes sense for a change..

Not sure if anyone else said this already, I'm on 56k, and for some odd reason, those pictures are masking alot of posts. Some people I've noticed will sit there and run from person to person, clicking trade like mad. I've noticed it is usually people with horrible grammar/english. If your currently in a trade, they will just sit there (I'm assuming, I'll explain in a moment) clicking trade over and over. I have done this once, clicked the trade on a person a hell of a lot, as they were selling 2 gold swords for 5k. I didn't want to lose out, so I spotted the person, tried to trade, but someone beat me. So I spammed the trade button in hopes of beating everyone else. Guy before bought both though :/. Perhaps there is a group of trade spammers, perhaps they are bots. I would turn them in, because ANET has the ability to confirm whether or not they are, simply by checking logs on certain players. If they see that these people keep saying the same thing over and over and over, then they probably are bots. I always watch for bums like these, and warn them that they will get banned if they do not cease macro/bot usage immediately. If they respond "Why?!" or "STFU" or the likes, they are human . If I get ignored, I take a screenshot and save it for reference. Better safe than sorry I say, as bots (and some disagree, but these people don't know what they are talking about) really do mess things around for real players. How? Well, imagaine 500 players using bots. Imagine these bots farming the Underworld for a week. Now what happens when activity like this goes on for too long? Well, any know who keeps up with drop rates should know.