Nerf pets pls

Storm Crow

Storm Crow

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

With Vanatiel by the Lion's Arch Lighthouse, waiting for the storm with which we are accoustomed

Children of the Order [CoO] -True Heroes Fight to Keep the Balance-

Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmosesaves
No, it doesn't. Read the skill description again. Actually, I'll do you one better.

Mist Form {Elite} - Enchantment Spell
For 8-18 seconds, you cannot take or deal damage from attacks.
10 energy, 2 second cast time, 30 second recharge. This means you neither TAKE damage nor DO damage...





duh

Rossaroni

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Knight Vision [KnV]

Mo/

No, it doesn't. Attacks are the kind that you do with wands, swords, etc. Spells are not attacks. Skills, i'm not so sure about. I would guess that any skills that did some sort of damage thru an attack would be negated, but any other effects (like cripple from axe rake) would still be effective.

Mist form is nice, but like healing hands, it's only effective against attack-heavy builds, and attackers could always just change targets while the enchantment wears off.

[Edit] In this steamrolling build, we've come up against ele's using mist form...most of them die in the first 2-3 seconds after mist form wears off, because by that time all the warriors have enough adrenaline built up for a smash-fest. Plus, we sometimes bring enchantment removal.

Storm Crow

Storm Crow

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

With Vanatiel by the Lion's Arch Lighthouse, waiting for the storm with which we are accoustomed

Children of the Order [CoO] -True Heroes Fight to Keep the Balance-

you obviously have never played an elementalist


spells are skills, the only ones that do lasting dmg, such as cripple, to my knowledge are Immolate and Incendiary Bonds, wich do burning...

Rossaroni

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Knight Vision [KnV]

Mo/

You mean DoT's still work.

Jay Wellz

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

Rev Limit

Mo/Me

I love how every1 says "us" like their the creators of the build and its theirs and only theirs...the thing this is like a solo monk a complete flaw to the game b/c with so many builds running around you have to bring soothing and etc. on every1 almost to stop this build its kinda stupid also that there making the pets even stonger and faster i think they should make a new class as in a new character that uses pets and pet skills like a Monk is the only one with Divine Favor and Mesmer on with Fast Caster , there should be a Beastmaster with primary BEAST MASTERY b/c its dumb honetsly and all of the so called "YOU" like it b/c it takes no skill what so ever to run this build. Congrats

Moofoo Pork

Moofoo Pork

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Brothers Of The Illuminati

I'd like to try out this build, but no one in tombs seems to be doing this build. I tried contacted the names in the pic, but most names didnt even exist O_o.
Anyway, im looking for peeps to try this out with, so if u want, leave ur IGN and maybe i can contact some of you

BTW, my IGN is Z E R A T U L if you've got a group going and need more ppl.

Rossaroni

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Knight Vision [KnV]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Wellz
I love how every1 says "us" like their the creators of the build and its theirs and only theirs...the thing this is like a solo monk a complete flaw to the game b/c with so many builds running around you have to bring soothing and etc. on every1 almost to stop this build its kinda stupid also that there making the pets even stonger and faster i think they should make a new class as in a new character that uses pets and pet skills like a Monk is the only one with Divine Favor and Mesmer on with Fast Caster , there should be a Beastmaster with primary BEAST MASTERY b/c its dumb honetsly and all of the so called "YOU" like it b/c it takes no skill what so ever to run this build. Congrats Wait...what?

Oh crap, my iq just dropped. Honestly, back up what you're saying, or else you come across as incoherent and, well, frankly, as a noob.

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Don't argue idiot as you would stood on the same level as them, and they will beat you with experience.

What are you guys doing?

furby

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

Eternum Pariah [EP]

haha, that's a hilarious build. I hope to see more all-offense minded builds like this, it's a blast to see...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ednemak
and its very hard to beat my avenge guild team 1 on 1, we have fought EP the #1 ranked guild, and sissy boys+marvel and they couldnt handle us I guess I should be honored and hubmled when I see someone brag about beating EP, but I'm curious where this happened. I know you're not talking about GvG because I know where each one of our losses came from, and there haven't been any recently on either EP or our secondary guild Jet Li...

So I'm assuming it was tombs, which is really where we (along with most other guilds out there) now go to just mess around/toy with builds/PUG while waiting for the GvG crew to come online. Either way, not to discount from your build, but you should qualify where and when we "couldn't handle you"

(edited to fix quote coding)

Da Cebuano

Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Virginia born in Cebu

Jelly Toast[jT]

W/

IGN is Da Cebuano

I'll try out this build w/ an organized PUG since guildies ain't doing it and random pugs suck. Contact me ingame guys if you wanna do this.

phearless

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Bay Area, California

Zero Presence [zP]

Mo/N

I'm just wondering how hard it was for you guys to hold hoh after winning it because after my guild won it with 7 w/r and one other we had a very hard time holding the alter just because we had no way of healing the ghost well enough to keep it alive.

Third Quarter

Third Quarter

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ectos And Shards [EnS]

That's an interesting problem, isn't it.

Try thinking outside the box.

What worked for us was rushing a team and DPing the snot out of them, repeatedly. By the time the 2:00 mark rolled by, they were so badly DPd that we could make short work of them and concentrate on keeping the third team from capping the altar. (which was easily accomplished by killing them)

Scaphism

Scaphism

Elite Guru

Join Date: Jan 2005

Idiot Savants [iQ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrOzEnMaGe
forums are a place where you can say what and whatever your thinking of on topic, and i just did..
No, you can't say whatever you want, which is exactly why I said it, instead of outright deleting your post.

Quote: Originally Posted by FrOzEnMaGe
now for someone like you to come and tell me if you like what i say or not, now that unacceptable. No, in case you missed it, it's entirely acceptable. I'm a moderator for this site.

Quote:
just for side info..
i'm rank9. just turned infact.
and you are? again? See above. You're an unknown on our site. I'm telling you publicly to clean up your attitude when you post here, or don't bother posting. I don't care about your rank. If you display some public courtesy then you'll get it back in return.

Back on topic:
I hear the build is still working well- I wonder if anyone's tried Revive Animal, and if they have, what were the results? I'd be most worried about the blackout, but can't test it myself right now.

Third Quarter

Third Quarter

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ectos And Shards [EnS]

One of the really cool things about this build is that it consists of 8 more or less identical characters.

There's all sorts of fun things you can do by swapping out 1-4 guys for other things, though I'd hesitate to go with fewer than five W/Rs. Every lost W/R is a step away from the berserker spirit that spawned it.

I know of one variation that involves the addition of a N/Mo who hides in a dark corner and spams Heal Party and Orders.

Guillaume De Sonoma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

aFk

Me/Rt

Also who are these guys gonna target some one. 'm attacking the w/r i'm attacking the w/r wait they're all warrior rangers what are all these pets doing here wait they're blocking my path i can move. Ahh... lame **** **** ****** ***** **** it

Mitsu Bishi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Austria

Need for Seed [SeeD]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Third Quarter
I know of one variation that involves the addition of a N/Mo who hides in a dark corner and spams Heal Party and Orders. I guess he has to hide really well - if I'd face that team and realize they are healed, I'd be very willing to triple check where this healing is coming from. Nonetheless it sounds like a good upgrade to this strategy and if he's down, it's just more fuel to IWAY

Bugeater

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

looking for a guild

I just ran up against this build with the N/Mo variation. We were running a typical 3/3/2 smite build and were doing really well with it. As soon as my team sees all the pets one teammate says "Look at all those pets, we're going to own these guys! Run in the middle of them and let our AOE murder them." Before I had a chance to warn them, we were down a monk and an ElMo and the IWAY's were starting to kick in.

You all know how the story ends.

Sentao Nugra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Crystal Lake, Illinois

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by furby
I guess I should be honored and hubmled when I see someone brag about beating EP, but I'm curious where this happened. I know you're not talking about GvG because I know where each one of our losses came from, and there haven't been any recently on either EP or our secondary guild Jet Li... first, all hail the dude from eP...

second, if anyone wants to try this build, i have a recently acquired lvl 5 black bear for quick IWAY action in tombs

CoRrRan

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

ZH, Netherlands

Sour Patch Kids [sP]

Me/

Did this build yesterday from Tombs Int Dis 3 and it was a lot of fun. Some ppl started yelling that we stole the build from either him or a 'very good friend of his'.

3 members from my Guild (GOT), 3 from pond-guild (pond) and 2 others.

Did make it to the HoH, but unfortunately were slaughtered to bits by the first team that opposed us.

Really really good fun to play. Just for the ease of it and, well, everyone likes to win, don't they?

Thx Third Quarter for pointing out this very much fun build to me. Doesn't really work in 4v4 though.

Sentao Nugra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Crystal Lake, Illinois

Grenths Rejects [GR]

im saying WOW, tried this witha bunch of no/low rank PUG guys and got to the hall twice, almost won, but nub took the hero off the alter.......

this works great, i smell 2 fotms!

UberRusty

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

amsterdam, where male prostitution is legal

[GGG] Gay Guild Gals

W/R

Quote:
I hear the build is still working well- I wonder if anyone's tried Revive Animal, and if they have, what were the results? I'd be most worried about the blackout, but can't test it myself right now. I wouldn't take Revive Animal, because shouts can reuse pet bodies.... and since you'll only revive them just for them to die again and have a 8 second blackout.

Sentao Nugra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Crystal Lake, Illinois

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by UberRusty
I wouldn't take Revive Animal, because shouts can reuse pet bodies.... and since you'll only revive them just for them to die again and have a 8 second blackout. we thought about trying this, but the occasion taht you need to move the corpses arises so un-often its not worth the slot/25 energy

rii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

UK

Makes you thing there should be some sort of shutdown for shouts -.-. Its one of the few things in the game that doesnt have a viable counter, except in this case, probably healing ball. I thought some sort of shout spamming would become popular but i didnt see anything like this coming up :S. Nice build, thankfully i havent run into it yet.

Scaphism

Scaphism

Elite Guru

Join Date: Jan 2005

Idiot Savants [iQ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rii
I thought some sort of shout spamming would become popular but i didnt see anything like this coming up :S. If you haven't seen it that's because shouts don't appear in the skill indicator, only as text above people's heads.

Fear Me, Watch Yourself, To the Limit are some of the best shouts in the game, particularly on altar/dais maps, and they are used/have been used frequently.

smurfhunter

smurfhunter

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him.

Sand Scorpions [SS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scaphism
If you haven't seen it that's because shouts don't appear in the skill indicator, only as text above people's heads.

Fear Me, Watch Yourself, To the Limit are some of the best shouts in the game, particularly on altar/dais maps, and they are used/have been used frequently. strangely reminds me - i saw someone from iQ using fear me. it did all of nothing. im just sayin...

Divine Elemental

Divine Elemental

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Near Your House

I Used To Own [ IUTO ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfhunter
strangely reminds me - i saw someone from iQ using fear me. it did all of nothing. im just sayin... Fear Me is really a good energy deprival build
ie what iQ used not so long ago

Fear Me + Signet of Weariness = complete energy deprival
fear me is spammable which means its good

Hebug

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ectos and Shards [EnS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rii
Makes you thing there should be some sort of shutdown for shouts -.-. Its one of the few things in the game that doesnt have a viable counter, except in this case, probably healing ball. I thought some sort of shout spamming would become popular but i didnt see anything like this coming up :S. Nice build, thankfully i havent run into it yet. You mean just like how people said there is no way to shutdown spirits? As usual, people expect ANet to nerf instead of finding a way to counter it. Warriors really aren't that scary with all the great spells that can cause % chance to miss. Ward against Melee being the most commonly used and something like Blurred Vision being rarely used. IWAY will fade once people realize all the easy counters.

Hell Marauder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

No need to nerf shouts. Someone already mentions Mist form, and I can see an E/Me hydromancer (or a Me/E) using Mist form and Distortion to avoid damage from this build. Mist form covers up to 20 sec, and remaining 10 sec can be covered with spammable Distortion. If coupled that with Spirit of Failure and Attunement, you can spam your favorite spell 24/7. But being a ranger and warrior player myself, it's nice to see some dark horse builds or guilds like this dominating HOH once a while.

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

Have Me/Range Tried using Energy burn to waste thier energy (speed up skills with serpt stance), while Mo/Nec use Soothing, Put Explo, & Faint to make them less useful?

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Wow..you Bumped up a thread from 2 months ago.

Like most people in this thread stated it would be- IWAY has been the flavor of the month for a few months now, I hear its slowly going off though.

You had it where W/Rs would just start up, throw charm animal on their skillbar, and think their god.

Now IWAY has the power to get to the halls if they fight the right teams, but have absolutely no staying power now people know that they can expect them.

Kry Onicle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Steel Phoenix [StP]

N/

IWAY teams should try against a team of Spitefulspirit Echo'ers. All the dmg with them attacking at an increased rate, they'd be dead in a matter of seconds. Really wanna put this team build to a test. Anyone who's up for it PM me ^^

The Son Of Morgoth

The Son Of Morgoth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Maryland

The Servants Of Morgoth

N/

i hate IWAY so much...

Experiment_Jon

Experiment_Jon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Band Geeks

W/Mo

This is probably the first IWAY thread. Very nice that we found it again.

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kry Onicle
IWAY teams should try against a team of Spitefulspirit Echo'ers. All the dmg with them attacking at an increased rate, they'd be dead in a matter of seconds. Really wanna put this team build to a test. Anyone who's up for it PM me ^^ I'd love to help... I just got my necro using curses. I happened to cap Spiteful and have been using it since... *heart pounds in chest just thinking about it*

unamed player

unamed player

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Im a merc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Third Quarter

Sol_Vie

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

Might want to check the original post date on this, bud.

unamed player

unamed player

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Im a merc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol_Vie
Might want to check the original post date on this, bud. I dunno i joined yesterday. I was wondering why everyone was so enthusiastic lol. IWAY sickens me to the core.

Third Quarter

Third Quarter

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ectos And Shards [EnS]

It wasn't infesting tombs like a disease when I posted those images.

I am so sorry.

(still, it was hilarious to hold halls with 8 W/Rs )

Kabale

Kabale

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

UK

Portrayors of Valour [pV]

Heheh yeah nice thread to bring up. "The evolution of IWAY", and when it was brough up 2 months later, people saying it's like a disease and infesting tombs rofl...

Sharpe_116

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Adventurers Society

Mo/W

i dont understand why they should be nerfed?? i dont even understand what this post is about... u just showed us a pic with 8 dead pets and said, NERF THEM.