The Dye Trader Is Cruel
Dyeeo
Wow the traders REALLY arent broken! *sarcasm*
Yellow_lid
I've already posted the answer to the incredble inflation... check it out.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=43903
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=43903
Xonic
I still don't understand why it is considered "broken"? 
I mean, if the traders offer buying price associated to thier selling price, I can see the bots playing the trader farming game and mess up the economy even worse.
I mean, if the traders offer buying price associated to thier selling price, I can see the bots playing the trader farming game and mess up the economy even worse.
Charcoal Ann
hehe Orange dye isn't that bad... it looks really good on a monk. i use the cheap dyes anyway because you are more individual as a yellow necromancer than as a black one. even if you aren't demonstrating how uber rich you are.
however those prices are insane...absolutely bonkers.
however those prices are insane...absolutely bonkers.
Ultimate_Gaara
this truly is the sign of the beginning of the end... note to self stay out of LA channal 1... it will be flooded even more than usual
raven214
It's almost like us "regular" players are being punished for actually playing the game, instead of constantly farming. This fails any test of logic I am aware of.
MSecorsky
Just don't buy dyes. You don't need them anyhow, really.
Plague
An excellent solution. Ignore things that are wrong if they can't crash your game? Very nice.
Mavrik
I wish everything would just be put at a set price... same with dye, runes go up and down to. One day a minor rune of elementalist fire can be sold to the trader for 890g... then the next its worth 25g...
ManadartheHealer
OMG the price of orange dye doubled 
Why doesn't anybody like orange?
Why doesn't anybody like orange?
aeroclown
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Originally Posted by Xonic
I still don't understand why it is considered "broken"?
I mean, if the traders offer buying price associated to thier selling price, I can see the bots playing the trader farming game and mess up the economy even worse. |
Trader sells black dye for upwards of 26k, and buys it from you for less then 2k. Why would anyone in thier right mind sell to a trader if its worth 26k.
Krank
i get offered 90 g for red dye
Red Sonya
I have blue and yellow dye for sale 500gp ea 
Hysteria
Imo its no accident or bug. I believe the traders are set up that way to help suck gold out of the economy. There are alot of people that hate trading with others and will pay extra to avoid it.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
OMG the price of orange dye doubled
Why doesn't anybody like orange? |
i love iti have gathered more than 70 of them over time
orange drops like flies for medarn
Warskull
The solution is simple too. Completely ditch the miserably failed mechanic that determine the buying price. Instead the buying price is 75% of the selling price. The selling price is determined by stock.
No one sells to the trader because the trader will sell something for 3k and offer 1g to buy it. You are better off just giving stuff away at that price.
No one sells to the trader because the trader will sell something for 3k and offer 1g to buy it. You are better off just giving stuff away at that price.
Vorlin
Hysteria, don't give this idiotic economy more credit than it's worth. It has no rhyme or reason, it's a completely nonsensical algorithm that creates massive fluctuations in prices for no logical reason.
I sat at the dye trade one day for about 20 minutes tracking the sell price for red dye. In that time the price varied from a low of 1 (yes, 1) gold to a high of a little over 500 gold, and every price in between. One second it was high, then low, then high, then highger, then lowest of all, then highest of all, etc, etc. If you had graphed it it would have look like a typical example of a non-linear dynamic system used as an example when explaining chaos theory.
There's no 'system' to the GWars economy, just a broken algorithm designed by someone who hadn't a clue how to code a decent economic system.
I sat at the dye trade one day for about 20 minutes tracking the sell price for red dye. In that time the price varied from a low of 1 (yes, 1) gold to a high of a little over 500 gold, and every price in between. One second it was high, then low, then high, then highger, then lowest of all, then highest of all, etc, etc. If you had graphed it it would have look like a typical example of a non-linear dynamic system used as an example when explaining chaos theory.
There's no 'system' to the GWars economy, just a broken algorithm designed by someone who hadn't a clue how to code a decent economic system.
the drizzle
hey chaos theory! i saw that in jurrassic park. err...i mean i agree.
Aniewiel
Merging all the Dye Trading threads.
firstwave
Indeed the trading system is very broken. This morning I sold a superior healing rune for only 25k to trader, but it costs 60k+ to buy it from him. That is like a 60% difference. I thought traders were suppose to sell items at 120% value and buy items at 80%, guess I was wrong. However, a few minutes after that, I sold a superior energy storage for 16k and it costs 18k to buy from trader. Hmmm
The trading system is really weird
The trading system is really weird
PhineasToke
25 minutes ago:
Black dye-34,689. Dye trader will buy it from me for ONE gold.
Silver dye-11,379, Dye trader will buy it from me for 273 gold.
Stupid is what stupid does.
Black dye-34,689. Dye trader will buy it from me for ONE gold.
Silver dye-11,379, Dye trader will buy it from me for 273 gold.
Stupid is what stupid does.
Francis
99k for a Sigil if you want to buy from the trader. Offered 1k for mine.
burai
The whole GW economy seems to be a little whacky. I have only recently started to find some dye not available at the trader. This in itself does reflect a real economy, in that vendors do run out of stock. But how then can a trader - and yes, I'm aware that they're not real - justify offering 74g for silver dye, when obviously it's so in demand. As sure as eggs is eggs, as soon as they do get some stock they'll be selling it for a silly price.
Of course the reason there is no stock, is that everone - including myself - is holding on to their supplies of dye, in the hope that they get a better deal.
- justify offering 74g for silver dye, when obviously it's so in demand. As sure as eggs is eggs, as soon as they do get some stock they'll be selling it for a silly price.Of course the reason there is no stock, is that everone - including myself - is holding on to their supplies of dye, in the hope that they get a better deal.
Ensign
If you thought dyes were bad, check out the rune trader:
I think I'll pass on that offer.
Peace,
-CxE
I think I'll pass on that offer.
Peace,
-CxE
snepp
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Originally Posted by Ensign
If you thought dyes were bad, check out the rune trader:
I think I'll pass on that offer. Peace, -CxE |
Sorry about quoting the entire screenshot, but I thought it deserved a little more face time. That is just plain rediculous, along with insulting, and a boat load of other adjectives that my vocabulary doesn't possess. Wait, I forgot, there's "nothing wrong" with the traders. (that was a not-so-subtle shot at those that believe everything is peachy where traders are concerned)
michaeldt
anyone here from eu servers?
well, a guild mate has 2 accounts. one set to us, one to eu. eu traders offer better prices for runes than us. i wonder why?
well, a guild mate has 2 accounts. one set to us, one to eu. eu traders offer better prices for runes than us. i wonder why?
snepp
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Originally Posted by michaeldt
anyone here from eu servers?
well, a guild mate has 2 accounts. one set to us, one to eu. eu traders offer better prices for runes than us. i wonder why? |
The other morning at the normal material trader...
Selling 10 Fur for 18k, Buying 10 Fur for 12k
Last night...
Selling 10 Fur for 17k, Buying 10 Fur for 100g
burai
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Originally Posted by michaeldt
anyone here from eu servers?
well, a guild mate has 2 accounts. one set to us, one to eu. eu traders offer better prices for runes than us. i wonder why? |
Numa Pompilius
Up until a few days ago I felt the dye trader worked quite well, but now it's pretty obvious the dye trader pricing algorithm is buggy. He's completely out of silver and purple, buying price is something like 8K for silver, but when I tried to sell silver (I have over 20 silver) to him, he offered to buy for 101 gold.
This would be easy to fix by locking buying price at, say, 50% of selling price.
I'm also pretty certain now that someone's made a bot for speculating in dyes. It's not hard - continually ask for estimates, buy cheap, sell expensive - and a rapidly and wildly fluctuating market like the GW dye market is perfect for it. Possibly it's been around in the US for a while, but only started being used in the EU a few days ago.
Prices of gear have started skyrocketing in the EU now too. Perhaps the people screwing with the US market has branched out.
This would be easy to fix by locking buying price at, say, 50% of selling price.
I'm also pretty certain now that someone's made a bot for speculating in dyes. It's not hard - continually ask for estimates, buy cheap, sell expensive - and a rapidly and wildly fluctuating market like the GW dye market is perfect for it. Possibly it's been around in the US for a while, but only started being used in the EU a few days ago.
Prices of gear have started skyrocketing in the EU now too. Perhaps the people screwing with the US market has branched out.
snepp
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
I'm also pretty certain now that someone's made a bot for speculating in dyes. It's not hard - continually ask for estimates, buy cheap, sell expensive - and a rapidly and wildly fluctuating market like the GW dye market is perfect for it. Possibly it's been around in the US for a while, but only started being used in the EU a few days ago.
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Cymmina
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Originally Posted by Ensign
If you thought dyes were bad, check out the rune trader:
[snip] I think I'll pass on that offer. Peace, -CxE |
I couldn't believe the trader prices when I logged in on Monday. I had moved and was unable to play for a week... come back and find out the traders are on crack with their absurd prices. I checked the patch logs and there's most definately nothing there suggesting any change to the pricing.
P.S. Hey mods, don't you think it was a bit extreme to merge *all* of the dye trader threads? I mean, the starting post, being 4 months old, has nothing to do with the current broken traders.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Plague
An excellent solution. Ignore things that are wrong if they can't crash your game? Very nice.
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Think mon, think!
I still have to say that the best fix is to resupply the merchants twice a week (trade caravans), set a fixed buy/sell ratio, set fixed max/min prices and tie the current price to actual stock.
Simple in it's elegance, elegant in it's simplicity.
sidepocket13
last night i had my first problem with the traders, purple dye was selling for almost 3k, and the trader offered me 250gp! i heard the stories of people saying things like this, but i didnt really believe them till now!
raven214
I still don't understand this: a few weeks ago when I was getting black dye for a new set of armor, the price was generally around 7-12k each. One night the trader was out of black -- the epitome of low supply, right? When she did get a black dye in, the price was around 4k. Needless to say I jumped on that (or tried to multiple times -- other people kept getting to it first). How does that work? I thought the idea was that as the supply goes down and hench demand goes up, that the price would go up too... not down.... isn't that backwards?
Tourist
This economy be all kinds of crazy-stupid.