Why does it seem like the Guilds are so fragmented in guild wars? Is it lack of guild-supporting features in the software, or merely ego and politics?
Where are the guilds with 80+ nearly fully unlocked, active, pvp players, from all around the world, each of whom can comfortably play multiple roles in any build?!
The guilds that can field 3 full Tombs teams at any given time?!?!
The Guilds that have enough people on for rotating shifts of GvG groups!?!
Surely there's an incentive for active players to group together so they can find like-minded people to play with whenever they want? Surely most people interested in PvP want to be in a Guild that can field a full team whenever people feel like it?
Somebody, please enlighten me!
That is all.
Wherefore art thou, Uber PvP Guild?!?!
Rieselle
Sofonisba
Are you asking, if the perfect perpetual PvP guild exists, and how to join it?
P.S. (Couldn't let it go, I'm sorry... )
Wherefore = Why
"Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?"
Juliet is wishing that Romeo was not Romeo, that he was someone else, not someone she is forbidden to love.
P.S. (Couldn't let it go, I'm sorry... )
Wherefore = Why
"Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?"
Juliet is wishing that Romeo was not Romeo, that he was someone else, not someone she is forbidden to love.
The Pain Killa
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Because often the folks who want to play an competitive online game to the extent you describe and at a high level are driven by ego, and ego doesn't like to be part of a team, it likes to dominate. Not a good basis for forming a stable and adaptive Guild.
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Because often the folks who want to play an competitive online game to the extent you describe and at a high level are driven by ego, and ego doesn't like to be part of a team, it likes to dominate. Not a good basis for forming a stable and adaptive Guild.
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Raiddinn Beatdropper
Xen of Onslaught is one such guild.
They/we can field 3 teams at the same time half the time.
A lot of them/us, myself included, have over 400 skills and pretty much all the unlocks unlocked, 100k+ faction, rank 1-7ish, yada yada.
The reason most guilds arent like this though, probably has to do with logistics, when you have 4 guilds swapping people can be a pain, most of us changed guilds something like 30 times during the PVPX without doing any smurfing, we just had to change that often due to people logging on and off the people had to switch to other subguilds because thats where the people were that were closest to making the next full team.
Also, when there are 100 people in a guild, say 25% of which are online in a normal week day in prime time, thats 25 people, and most of the time they would all prefer to GVG, which means you have to start doing GVG rotations, and a lot of people end up standing around doing nothing for a while, either that or sacrificing and going to HOH.
Raiddinn Beatdropper
Tsunamii Starshine
Penney Belladonna
Worthless Player
They/we can field 3 teams at the same time half the time.
A lot of them/us, myself included, have over 400 skills and pretty much all the unlocks unlocked, 100k+ faction, rank 1-7ish, yada yada.
The reason most guilds arent like this though, probably has to do with logistics, when you have 4 guilds swapping people can be a pain, most of us changed guilds something like 30 times during the PVPX without doing any smurfing, we just had to change that often due to people logging on and off the people had to switch to other subguilds because thats where the people were that were closest to making the next full team.
Also, when there are 100 people in a guild, say 25% of which are online in a normal week day in prime time, thats 25 people, and most of the time they would all prefer to GVG, which means you have to start doing GVG rotations, and a lot of people end up standing around doing nothing for a while, either that or sacrificing and going to HOH.
Raiddinn Beatdropper
Tsunamii Starshine
Penney Belladonna
Worthless Player
mamluk
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[2cents]
Because often the folks who want to play an competitive online game to the extent you describe and at a high level are driven by ego, and ego doesn't like to be part of a team, it likes to dominate. Not a good basis for forming a stable and adaptive Guild. [/2cents] |
Also, the dedication and time required to compete and stay at that top level is usually immense and few can keep that up.
Divine Elemental
reminds mne when yay was alive
lol 2 yay teams wer at hoh
lol 2 yay teams wer at hoh
smurfhunter
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I think you hit the nail on the head. I used to play RTCW:ET competitively (its a first person shooter). At the top end, teams were constantly forming and breaking apart as people were searching for that seemingly perfect combination of players to dominate. Also, at that level, people dont want to play second fiddle to anyone- I assume guilds at that level are rather small, with just enough to field a team and a few subs in case people suddenly have a case of 'life'.
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Rieselle
I'm probably less interested in "playing at the highest level" than I am in "GvG/Tombsing whenever I'm on."
I'm sure the top guilds would be small, close knit groups, I'm just wondering where the large, casual (but very active) pvp guilds are. I'm in the Australian timezone so it'd have to be fairly international too.
Yeah, it kinda sucks that you can only have one gvg on at a time. But having a rotation and tombsing while you wait isnt too bad, is it?
Oh, nice catch on the Wherefor. I kinda knew that, in the back of my mind. But I didnt think of it. And plus i wanted to use that line because it sounds suitably plaintive. :P
I'm sure the top guilds would be small, close knit groups, I'm just wondering where the large, casual (but very active) pvp guilds are. I'm in the Australian timezone so it'd have to be fairly international too.
Yeah, it kinda sucks that you can only have one gvg on at a time. But having a rotation and tombsing while you wait isnt too bad, is it?
Oh, nice catch on the Wherefor. I kinda knew that, in the back of my mind. But I didnt think of it. And plus i wanted to use that line because it sounds suitably plaintive. :P
conker
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Xen of Onslaught is one such guild.
They/we can field 3 teams at the same time half the time. A lot of them/us, myself included, have over 400 skills and pretty much all the unlocks unlocked, 100k+ faction, rank 1-7ish, yada yada. The reason most guilds arent like this though, probably has to do with logistics, when you have 4 guilds swapping people can be a pain, most of us changed guilds something like 30 times during the PVPX without doing any smurfing, we just had to change that often due to people logging on and off the people had to switch to other subguilds because thats where the people were that were closest to making the next full team. Also, when there are 100 people in a guild, say 25% of which are online in a normal week day in prime time, thats 25 people, and most of the time they would all prefer to GVG, which means you have to start doing GVG rotations, and a lot of people end up standing around doing nothing for a while, either that or sacrificing and going to HOH. Raiddinn Beatdropper Tsunamii Starshine Penney Belladonna Worthless Player |
Divine Elemental
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yeah but xen of onslaught sucks ass lmao lol... seirously no offense u guys suck, ur guild is probably better then mine but every time i played u guys in HoH, either as some ppl from my guild or just my team we owned u.. oh ilost once to u guys cuz 2 monks left
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if i told u we raped u in hoh would u like
it and ie its for real ^^
although XoO is not bad at all just needs more coordination
One and Two
actually Yin an Yang had like 3 teams sieging HOH, not two. But seriously, its been a while that one guild truly dominated like before.
Moskel
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thats not nice...
if i told u we raped u in hoh would u like it and ie its for real ^^ although XoO is not bad at all just needs more coordination |
The teams you run into from us in tombs are going to vary greatly. Most of us don't like just running the FOTM build that is working best right now and winning with it. We have a lot more fun coming up with something goofy and winning with that. We do the same in GvG which is why our ranking floats around 75-175 or so. My idea as a guild leader is to give people a chance to do what they find fun each time they login. If more people are joining and having fun than we are losing over time through attrition then I'm doing a good job.
This game isn't a sprint, its barely been out for 6 months now, its going to be around for many years and having a large active membership ensures that you'll be around and can survive through the low periods that will happen during the life of a MMO.
As far as gathering up all of the top people into a single guild, it won't ever happen because many people have different backgrounds and ideals and over time those ideals will cause clashes and things will break up (like the great guys at YAY, they had a ton of fun and did great but with that much intensity things are likely to end sooner rather than later).
We aren't the only large, active, "skilled" (up to you if you think we are or not, we're all adults and don't really have anything to say to prove our point, we'll play and you can make up your own mind) guild out there. It is true that many of the top 50 ladder guilds are smaller very active groups of people but that isn't the only way to do it and it isn't the only way its being done.
Bflo_Soldier
<--- has played alot of ET competitively in a clan too.
It's nice to know how it works at that high end.. being that I usually suxored bigtime
/me was good until the good teams dominated our squad like we were lil children... hax!
It's nice to know how it works at that high end.. being that I usually suxored bigtime
/me was good until the good teams dominated our squad like we were lil children... hax!
derrtyboy69
i think some of it is because everyone has to have their own little guild. there are so friggin many little "new" guilds that want everyone to join thiers, but no reason for people to join theirs. i think top ranked guilds should use their rank to get those 100 people into their guild
secretsmg
I personally don't like large guilds because you never get to know everyone. In fact that's one of the reason I've quit lineage2 considering you need massive guild-alliances for castle sieges. The perfect guild for me would be 50< people who are active and like minded. You'll find a lot of top guilds in that category. They have tests for only player skill but whether the personality fits in. Most of them wouldn't want excessive amount of members (some of the korean guilds being the exception, although I have no idea how theyran their guilds) IMO a large guild is just too hard coordinate for a 8 v 8 battle considering the large variances in player skill, teamwork etc unless a set group just practices with each other.
Rieselle
I agree a small guild is best, but when we're all busy working people, it's tough to find 8 people all free at the same time. It's much easier to get a large group and from sheer numbers have a good chance of getting a full team.
Divine Elemental
i like hwo u work things
and we dont run FOTM
i go with nublar and we run his weird and terribly really works builds lol
still SIGNET OF HUMILITY FTW!
and small guilds are nice as sB and rank proevs nothing at all
skill rules all^^
i have a friend whos in sB and is rank 3 i think and hes a realy sB one
and we dont run FOTM
i go with nublar and we run his weird and terribly really works builds lol
still SIGNET OF HUMILITY FTW!
and small guilds are nice as sB and rank proevs nothing at all
skill rules all^^
i have a friend whos in sB and is rank 3 i think and hes a realy sB one
Warskull
It doesn't exist for a reason. The competitive gamers fall into a number of categories. All of which do not get along well. Some examples:
There are those who are in soley to win, they don't care how they just want to win. They will abuse anything they can, exploit bugs, use every dirty tactic, and the most extreme versions of this player type will use hacks/cheats to achieve this.
There are those who are in it for the glory. They want to be the best, they want to win, and they want to be recognized in the process. They will use most tactics, but some things are off limits (mainly things that would tarnish their reputation.)
There are those who are in it for the thrill of the fight. For them winning is the icing on the cake, the real joy is the journey. They have set rules about what they will and will not do. They tend to be more conservative about abusing broken strategies and using exploits.
Then there are those who see the competition as an artform, they want to be creative. They want to come up with strategies and tactics people haven't ever seen before.
Additionally there are the casual player who want to sample the competition, but really don't have their heart in it. They want a simple game and honestly could care less about winning and losing.
Toss all these people in the same guild and just watch what happens. The egos and playstyles conflict and you get a disaster.
There are those who are in soley to win, they don't care how they just want to win. They will abuse anything they can, exploit bugs, use every dirty tactic, and the most extreme versions of this player type will use hacks/cheats to achieve this.
There are those who are in it for the glory. They want to be the best, they want to win, and they want to be recognized in the process. They will use most tactics, but some things are off limits (mainly things that would tarnish their reputation.)
There are those who are in it for the thrill of the fight. For them winning is the icing on the cake, the real joy is the journey. They have set rules about what they will and will not do. They tend to be more conservative about abusing broken strategies and using exploits.
Then there are those who see the competition as an artform, they want to be creative. They want to come up with strategies and tactics people haven't ever seen before.
Additionally there are the casual player who want to sample the competition, but really don't have their heart in it. They want a simple game and honestly could care less about winning and losing.
Toss all these people in the same guild and just watch what happens. The egos and playstyles conflict and you get a disaster.
One and Two
Ah, in that case. I am lf guild w/ glory. Dirty guilds arent cool, man. Artform would be nice. Chance to fool around and have general fun. Casual might be good until college apps are finished.
Sir Santiago
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Originally Posted by Rieselle
Why does it seem like the Guilds are so fragmented in guild wars? Is it lack of guild-supporting features in the software, or merely ego and politics?
Where are the guilds with 80+ nearly fully unlocked, active, pvp players, from all around the world, each of whom can comfortably play multiple roles in any build?! The guilds that can field 3 full Tombs teams at any given time?!?! The Guilds that have enough people on for rotating shifts of GvG groups!?! Surely there's an incentive for active players to group together so they can find like-minded people to play with whenever they want? Surely most people interested in PvP want to be in a Guild that can field a full team whenever people feel like it? Somebody, please enlighten me! That is all. |
If anyone should fit this mold, it should atleast be the guild leaders.. But then again, that isn't always true, either!
entropy
The thing is most good people are arrogant a perfect example is what happened to the u.s. basketball team in the olympics. They didn't even make it to the final round i believe. The people were all all-stars but they just did not work well with each other.
Warskull
I also found one of the problems is what guilds people try to join. You regularly see people running around asking to join a PvP guild. However they say they will only join top 200 or 100 guild or they have to be an officer. Too many people fail to see if it is the "uber" PvP guild why do they need you? They are already "uber." The attitude of a lot of players who want a PvP guild is rather ridiculous. As a result there is a large recruiting gap. You have top guilds who seek out top players to occasionally fill their ranks. Then you have newbie guilds recruiting anyone they can get. The guilds in the middle tend to sparingly recruit because they don't want to deal with all the people who complain about their guild rating upon joining and then promptly quit.
People fail to realize there are a lot of good players without rank 3 and outside the top guilds.
People fail to realize there are a lot of good players without rank 3 and outside the top guilds.
Maagus
Running huge PvP oriented guild is hard. It is much more easier (when focused on PvP) to be in a guild with 10-12 active members. You know each other, you are used to everyone´s style of playing, it is much more easier to coordinate.
Shadow Devil
I also think Anet doesn't put much effort in helping putting guild together. When you want to join a guild, you either have to run around in the game, asking ppl if you could join theirs, or go to an independant fan-site looking a guild.
The guild list in this web-site isn't all that helpfull unless you either already have the name of the guild you are interested in joining or have a lot of spare time on your hands and are really bored. But most of the guilds on that list have already burned out. And most of them are american, so if you do not play on american times, you're pretty much wasting your time checking that list out.
Most guilds are just one of those small guilds with 10-20 members where the members are in the guild just for the sake of being in a guild. Every player with a few plat coins can create a guild and invite members. A lot of ppl with no leader skills create a guild, thinking of getting bigger but has no ideas on how to archieve that goal, thus remaining small, archieving nothing, with some active members that find random teams in Tomb and Pve and go to competition arena's. So even as the guild itself is in-active, some of the members still are.
It is impossible to see of that cool cape and guild tag behind that skilled player you teamed up with is either just for show or really means something. And there is always the chanse that its a neighberhood friends exclusive group.
All Anet does is creating a guild ladder that has guild name and tag on it. And that ladder is full of people that dont have the same playing time and time zone as you, exclusive groups and other certain requirements (language, religion, rank ect.) you need to join and have a good time.
Normal players need a little help getting into a good guild, a quick way to filter out all those useless, inactive guilds and find the perfect guild for you. Than there will be a uber guild for all the types of people.
The guild list in this web-site isn't all that helpfull unless you either already have the name of the guild you are interested in joining or have a lot of spare time on your hands and are really bored. But most of the guilds on that list have already burned out. And most of them are american, so if you do not play on american times, you're pretty much wasting your time checking that list out.
Most guilds are just one of those small guilds with 10-20 members where the members are in the guild just for the sake of being in a guild. Every player with a few plat coins can create a guild and invite members. A lot of ppl with no leader skills create a guild, thinking of getting bigger but has no ideas on how to archieve that goal, thus remaining small, archieving nothing, with some active members that find random teams in Tomb and Pve and go to competition arena's. So even as the guild itself is in-active, some of the members still are.
It is impossible to see of that cool cape and guild tag behind that skilled player you teamed up with is either just for show or really means something. And there is always the chanse that its a neighberhood friends exclusive group.
All Anet does is creating a guild ladder that has guild name and tag on it. And that ladder is full of people that dont have the same playing time and time zone as you, exclusive groups and other certain requirements (language, religion, rank ect.) you need to join and have a good time.
Normal players need a little help getting into a good guild, a quick way to filter out all those useless, inactive guilds and find the perfect guild for you. Than there will be a uber guild for all the types of people.
OverlordTyrael
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Xen of Onslaught is one such guild.
They/we can field 3 teams at the same time half the time. A lot of them/us, myself included, have over 400 skills and pretty much all the unlocks unlocked, 100k+ faction, rank 1-7ish, yada yada. The reason most guilds arent like this though, probably has to do with logistics, when you have 4 guilds swapping people can be a pain, most of us changed guilds something like 30 times during the PVPX without doing any smurfing, we just had to change that often due to people logging on and off the people had to switch to other subguilds because thats where the people were that were closest to making the next full team. Also, when there are 100 people in a guild, say 25% of which are online in a normal week day in prime time, thats 25 people, and most of the time they would all prefer to GVG, which means you have to start doing GVG rotations, and a lot of people end up standing around doing nothing for a while, either that or sacrificing and going to HOH. Raiddinn Beatdropper Tsunamii Starshine Penney Belladonna Worthless Player |
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Divine Elemental
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Didn't XoO fragment and split up? With BR, we're really happy with what we got. We normally have enough to field one PvP team in HoH all the time, and that team wins often
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only 1/5 of XoO
and i swear i havent tombs wit u yet OverLord ^_____^ ur mostly offline even on weekends :'(
OverlordTyrael
Yeah, I don't tombs much, though I play comp arenas as much as possible and team arenas all the time. I'm usually on for 1 hr on weekends and right after school on weekdays (pacific time zones) and I'm basically just trying to finish getting everything unlocked now. The new update makes getting a faction in random arenas a breeze, so I've basically just been playing smiter in randoms for the past week or so. I don't think I've tombed with you either. The reason for this is probably because it takes so damned long to get an HoH group together, or by the time I get on, and group is already in there. Would like to play together with ya sometime though .
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d4nowar
They are called Sissy Boys and War Machine.
Sissy Boys, Thundercats, Bravo Squad - all basically just sB.
War Machine, War machine pride, War machine force - all War Machine.
PWN/OwN has had two Tombs groups going at the same time, but we like to have the 8 best players at the time playing in Tombs or GvG.
Sissy Boys, Thundercats, Bravo Squad - all basically just sB.
War Machine, War machine pride, War machine force - all War Machine.
PWN/OwN has had two Tombs groups going at the same time, but we like to have the 8 best players at the time playing in Tombs or GvG.
OverlordTyrael
I didn't know Thundercats was part of sB, but now that I think about it, I'm not surprised either. I just don't keep track of that kind of stuff. I knew Bravo Squad was the same as Sissy Boys though. Are there any top 30 European only guilds?
Rieselle
Oh, ok. So regarding sB and other such big/famous-ish guilds, how do people get into them? I'd have thought they'd get a lot of people asking to join, and be fairly selective.
War Machine is all-korean? Or am I mistaken?
War Machine is all-korean? Or am I mistaken?
Knight of Eternal Darknes
War Machine is still around they're up in the rankings now, seems like they've always been consistent
secretsmg
thundercats is not a part of sB. They have a guild where they smurf together called thunder boys.
Divine Elemental
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Oh, ok. So regarding sB and other such big/famous-ish guilds, how do people get into them? I'd have thought they'd get a lot of people asking to join, and be fairly selective.
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i have a friend in sB who is rank 3-4 ^_^
its skill not rank
KuTeBaka
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thundercats is not a part of sB. They have a guild where they smurf together called thunder boys.
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-z|o-
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are you sure? They always seem to be tombing together.
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Rieselle
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Skill wise
i have a friend in sB who is rank 3-4 ^_^ its skill not rank |
I guess it's a problem that GW has, but how do you "members of the pvp community" do it? Do you like, all hang out in international Tombs district 4 or some other secret club that noobs like me arent told about? :P
-z|o-
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Do you like, all hang out in international Tombs district 4 or some other secret club that noobs like me arent told about? :P
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Also irc channels and ventrilo.
romO
yeah XoO is nuts when it comes to getting pvp and gvg groups together. if you want mass pvp talk to them ^^. like was said, they arent the best guild (we flawlessed them in gvg last night =P but i must say they arent bad and you would do much good developing your skills with a guild like that.
Divine Elemental
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You are right on the money with international districts.
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i keep track of my friends within friends list im very sure zlo knows who i was talking about
and i cant agree more to romo
banishd
international districts suck now.