I admit im one of those farmers on SF.. but my intentions are good, i know they only sell for a little.. but these weapons are uber for lower level characters, so im hording for my guildies and any new characters i may start.
Wish most people would appreciate the special items more.. i know alot like me do :/
[MERGED] Farming with Henchmen
Gomezie
TaG Eledhel
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Originally Posted by KuTeBaka
they always drop one green item when they are killed, you are just really unlucky or maybe they dont drop with henchies. just go with other people.
complete myth and nonsense, i have been in with full team no henchies, spent 3 hours farming outside sorrows where there is normally 5-6 bosses, we killed every boss, went in sorrows and came ou and did it all over again 4 times in a row, 4 x 6 bosses, 24 drops, total green items from the whole group 2 green items, 3 gold items, the rest plain items, so to say they drop green everytime is totally wrong..this whole update is a farce, green items are generally inferior when u get them ( i have 7 green items all poor quality weapons ), gold items have become pretty much worthless, chest drops are a joke , with a key costing 600 gold and the average drop worth maybe 150-250 gold. the whole economy of the game has become a joke, with the cost of skills, the amount of green weapons from what are basically labourious but easy boss kills , soon the game will be flooded with green items ( just check out lions arch and see the WTS msgs in trade) and gold items becoming worthless now because of it all ( i have gold max fellblade, before update could sell for 100k+ now i cant sell for 20k ) seems people are stuck with lots of worthless weapons with everyone picking up green and soon the whole gold economy will come crashing down. as far as im concerned Anet have ruined the game with the green drops and the chest updates. yes the game had a ew bugs and issues but now its just a farce. part of the njoyment was hoping for that elusive gold drop of a max dmg weapon, haggling with other players for deals, wondering if you were gonna be the lucky one at a chest, now its all about keys and green items, with no skill or luck involved. only thing left now is to farm for more money to buy keys for worthless weapons
and gt overated armour which costs the earth but has no better qualities ( pur bling status and nothing more) .. oh and the final complaint...sorrows is FoW and UW all over again with everyone screaming for monks...the game is so unbalanced its not true..ok rant over critisize all you want
and gt overated armour which costs the earth but has no better qualities ( pur bling status and nothing more) .. oh and the final complaint...sorrows is FoW and UW all over again with everyone screaming for monks...the game is so unbalanced its not true..ok rant over critisize all you want
ChoKILLate[FDG]
Yay, I got the Yak Slapper!...and I'm keeping it just so I can say, " Does anyone want to see my Yak Slapper"
I got it when me and one guildy went in with 6 henches. I have yet to see a green drop IN furnace, but frequently see green outside.
I got it when me and one guildy went in with 6 henches. I have yet to see a green drop IN furnace, but frequently see green outside.
Pandora's box
I figure the real problem is not the droprate but the fact that there's so little to do in this game after getting to level 20. Players want to obtain something tangible for their effords. Those green items are such a thing. The SF level looks great, but why do all kinds of missions if it does not make you stronger? In the end this discussion is always about the same thing: better items (and/or more levels). Not being able to find something better is the real cause of annoyment. Not the droprate.
Slimcea
I've just about given up hope of obtaining any greens from SF/Grenths. 3 trips into SF clearing 80% of the creatures there and over a dozen runs in GF have produced a grand total of ONE green drop, in SF with 7 henchies at that.. Normal 3 hench runs in GF have been totally futile..
Has anyone ever actually managed to get a green when doing with henchies?
Has anyone ever actually managed to get a green when doing with henchies?
jdwoody
Look about 5 posts up, I got a green w/ 5 henchies and me...
burai
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Originally Posted by Chobby
it's a game and u guys are crying over not getting this and that. stop farming and play the game, enjoy it.
The key here (if you will excuse the pun) is 'enjoy it'. Some people enjoy collecting rare items - myself included. When we fail to find these after repeated attempts it can get a little frustrating. As I have said in several previous posts - you play it your way, we'll play it ours.
I also seem have completely failed to find any greenies after many outings with the henchies, the thieving ----.
I also seem have completely failed to find any greenies after many outings with the henchies, the thieving ----.
karunpav
I agree with burai. It's just natural to get frustrated and flustered at times, but it's a GAME, you don't have to get shove-your-keyboard-down-someone's-throat mad. And the way you play is up to you, whether that be farming or slowly progressing through the story.
I also think that henchies "steal" drops. I tried farming griffons with Alesia and I only got a clean 12-17 damage Fellblade. Not joking. And I cleaned out the whole place. I wasn't happy. So i just got a real person and actually finished cleaning out the field in a lot less time than with the Alesia. So just get a real person. Lot less time, lot more efficient.
I also think that henchies "steal" drops. I tried farming griffons with Alesia and I only got a clean 12-17 damage Fellblade. Not joking. And I cleaned out the whole place. I wasn't happy. So i just got a real person and actually finished cleaning out the field in a lot less time than with the Alesia. So just get a real person. Lot less time, lot more efficient.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by Mike Legend
What's the deal with warriors getting all the drops?
I believe damage dealt or saved per battle is part of the algorithm.
Thorin
I found 3 greens on the first day with henchies, but I haven't had much luck here lately. I think I've found 2 greens in 6 or 7 runs maybe.
Starbeast
I got two greens from a pure henchie team.. pure luck
Red Sonya
HAHAHA I can't help but laugh at some of you here. You remind me of the whiners that I heard at the bar in Las Vegas, who put their last dime into slot machines and got nothing and some lucky fool behind them came to that very machine and won the jackpot on the first pull.
Basically that's the way these green drops are setup, you got your slot "feeders" you losers and then you have the slot winners (the lucky ones).
Face it some of you were just born unlucky, and someone has to be the buyers while others are the sellers of these nice green items. If everyone got an equal share of green drops there would be no economy for them. And their market value would plummet. Just like gold drops used to be and for many still are.
Some of you will just have to be coin farmers the rest of your GW days, you'll never see a quality rare drop on maybe only one in your lifetime as a GW player. You'll have to dig in the dirt so to speak like the minimum wage earners of our society, scrimping and saving all of your days to finally be able to afford something decent. That's just the way life is and that's the way GW's is also.
Basically that's the way these green drops are setup, you got your slot "feeders" you losers and then you have the slot winners (the lucky ones).
Face it some of you were just born unlucky, and someone has to be the buyers while others are the sellers of these nice green items. If everyone got an equal share of green drops there would be no economy for them. And their market value would plummet. Just like gold drops used to be and for many still are.
Some of you will just have to be coin farmers the rest of your GW days, you'll never see a quality rare drop on maybe only one in your lifetime as a GW player. You'll have to dig in the dirt so to speak like the minimum wage earners of our society, scrimping and saving all of your days to finally be able to afford something decent. That's just the way life is and that's the way GW's is also.
aron searle
I was in a team of 8, no henchies.
We killed Yakslapper, and a plain staff dropped.
We killed Yakslapper, and a plain staff dropped.
Gomezie
Its simple really.. get your best char and try and solo.. if not throw in some hench.
I find it a nice challenge to try and solo it.. or use as little of the henchies as i can
I find it a nice challenge to try and solo it.. or use as little of the henchies as i can
Daelin Redoran
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Originally Posted by Aera Lure
I believe damage dealt or saved per battle is part of the algorithm.
Not really, its location. Players that are further away from the foe who dies have a lower chance of drops being assigned to them. This is why smiter monks usually get some cool drops whereas healers and protection monks need to be lucky. It's also probably why warriors get at least 1 drop per kill, whether crap or not.
Besides, if you farm an area too much within 24 hours, you'll notice the drop rate falling steeply. A good place to try this out is just outside Augury Rock, with the hydras. On the first run you'll get maybe 100g-130g per kill. After around 10 runs its 80g-90g per kill. When this happens, just leave the area and try again the next day. It should have reset. I don't know if this applies to chests as well. Pobably not though.
My best farming run in Grenths Footprint with 7 henchmen (I've omited gold drops):
2 Gold Shields (monster drops), 1 Gold Bow (chest), 1 Gold Healing Ankh (chest), Morgriffs Scepter (greeny).
That was my second run with henchmen that day lol.
Regards
Daelin
Besides, if you farm an area too much within 24 hours, you'll notice the drop rate falling steeply. A good place to try this out is just outside Augury Rock, with the hydras. On the first run you'll get maybe 100g-130g per kill. After around 10 runs its 80g-90g per kill. When this happens, just leave the area and try again the next day. It should have reset. I don't know if this applies to chests as well. Pobably not though.
My best farming run in Grenths Footprint with 7 henchmen (I've omited gold drops):
2 Gold Shields (monster drops), 1 Gold Bow (chest), 1 Gold Healing Ankh (chest), Morgriffs Scepter (greeny).
That was my second run with henchmen that day lol.
Regards
Daelin
jdwoody
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Originally Posted by Aera Lure
I believe damage dealt or saved per battle is part of the algorithm.
Not really, its location. Or maybe it's just random? I hate to tell people this but afk'ers get drops. I've finished the game w/ a monk and a ranger and have a warrior doing ring of fire. I've noticed no difference between the classes getting better/more drops. Some days I'll get tons of drops, some days other people I'm with get tons of drops. That's the great thing about random, you never know what's next...
That being said, I believe there is an algorithm giving you mostly runes of classes you don't have a primary in. All I ever get are mesmer/necro runes and I don't have a primary on either.
(hopefully I don't need a sarcasm tag around the previous paragraph)
Tactical-Dillusions
Heh, i just got a support survey from NCsoft.
This is what i put in the optional comments box..
I asked if my chance of getting a new green item was reduced if i play with henchmen instead of other players but the question was "blocked".
When i fired the question again in a more direct manner, it was "evaded".
I don't know what stance they took but i ran out of energy to continue the fight and i retreated.
This is what i put in the optional comments box..
I asked if my chance of getting a new green item was reduced if i play with henchmen instead of other players but the question was "blocked".
When i fired the question again in a more direct manner, it was "evaded".
I don't know what stance they took but i ran out of energy to continue the fight and i retreated.
mrmojo
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Originally Posted by Gomezie
Its simple really.. get your best char and try and solo.. if not throw in some hench.
I find it a nice challenge to try and solo it.. or use as little of the henchies as i can
Me (warrior) and a monk killed around 3-4 groups outside SF with no problem, and then killed a bunch of groups inside SF too. The hardest part was having to deal with a knockdown warrior and a monk since I was the only one doing damage. At one point I had like 4 knockdown warriors, I was seriously just getting up and falling down every second.
We got absolutely nothing good though
I find it a nice challenge to try and solo it.. or use as little of the henchies as i can
We got absolutely nothing good though
kbealow
Well in my experience I've farmed with henchmen and other players...so far I've found 5 really good green items and I got all of them while grouped with 5 henchmen...so I personally have better luck with henchmen then other players...by the way when I was grouped with other players I never got anything not even a blue item...and I farmed a lot with other players...so when I go farming I go with henchmen...or maybe with family and friends...but this is just my experience.
BlueSS
I did 1 run with 5 henchmen and got 4 green items
Tactical-Dillusions
I started to take into account other peoples opinions and experiences relating to damage dealt. Some people claim that high damage dealt will mean more loot.
I tried my ranger after having no luck with my monk and i got a green almost immediately, later on that day, i got another one using my ranger in an all hench group.
Today, i got another green with my ranger and a gold armour.
Also today with my warrior, i got a shiverpeak key (which yielded a gold chalice from the nearby chest), i got a gold armour and a lovely green fleshcleaver which i had stolen from me the other day.
Countless trips with monks over many days...1 green in hench team
Five trips with my ranger and warrior provided four greens in an all hench team.
This is either a very lucky streak or the damage-dealt hypothesis may be correct. I have no faith in my monk whatsoever
I will keep you posted on my experiences....
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Originally Posted by BlueSS
I tried my ranger after having no luck with my monk and i got a green almost immediately, later on that day, i got another one using my ranger in an all hench group.
Today, i got another green with my ranger and a gold armour.
Also today with my warrior, i got a shiverpeak key (which yielded a gold chalice from the nearby chest), i got a gold armour and a lovely green fleshcleaver which i had stolen from me the other day.
Countless trips with monks over many days...1 green in hench team
Five trips with my ranger and warrior provided four greens in an all hench team.
This is either a very lucky streak or the damage-dealt hypothesis may be correct. I have no faith in my monk whatsoever
I will keep you posted on my experiences....
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I did 1 run with 5 henchmen and got 4 green items
Lucky bastage
jdwoody
Last night w/ 5 henchies + my monk I started the 4th quest. No greens on the outside bosses, but after repelling a few waves, a wave with a boss ended up killing everyone in the party except the guy we were protecting.
10 seconds later we rez'd, killed the boss (he was the only one left) and I got a green half-moon, go figure! The next wave killed us all and I was sent back to town, but it was still a fun trip.
10 seconds later we rez'd, killed the boss (he was the only one left) and I got a green half-moon, go figure! The next wave killed us all and I was sent back to town, but it was still a fun trip.
unienaule
Im gonna say the drop rate is random. Sometimes people get lucky, but if you take a sackful of confetti and drop it, there WILL be piles of it, not a nice, uniform spread. Case in point, I play an Earth Ele, which is NOT the closest, the most damage dealing, or most in any category. Killed Flint, 4 items dropped, I recieved EVERY SINGLE ONE of them which included his staff. And I got more greens than my friend Savio even though we basically farm with each other all the time.
heist23
a guildmate of mine said that he read somewhere that the drop rates and quality of the drops are significantly reduced with henchmen to "increase teamwork and cooperation." from most of my runs, i've seen that this is true: when i went on a farming run with that guildmate (4-man, me, him, Lina and Mhenlo), i got flint's artifact plus my new gold half-moon that i got from a chest. i absolutely love it. after he had to leave, i went on more 4-man runs, this time with devona instead of a human warrior. i usually go on chest runs, since they reliably give better items than monsters. but with the henchman teams, the drop quality with the henchmen has been terrible. nothing but purple items, and the magnificient minor death magic. i acutally got lucky and got thorgall's shield (-2 while something and quick recovery from weakness) with a 4-man hench team, but that was the end of my luck. even when i tried another 4-man with a human w/mo instead of devona. he got flint's fleshcleaver, while i got all the manner of raven staves and junk.
from all this, i think it proves that either A) henchmen eat your drops, or B) the quality of drops are reduced with henchman teams.
from all this, i think it proves that either A) henchmen eat your drops, or B) the quality of drops are reduced with henchman teams.
The Mighty Toe
Can someone please tell or show me what a 'Green Item' is as I have been exploring in and outside of the Furnace and haven't seen or heard ofa single one.
Sandman Uk
Maybe coincidence
74 boss kills and no green drops. Got fed up and did a titan quest. Back to Sorrows and after 11 boss kills
Still no fecking green drop.
Total 85 boss kills with henchies and not one GREEN.
Tell me its not nerfed with henchies.
LAST UPDATE
Fixed a bug introduced in the Sorrow's Furnace Update that was causing unequal loot distribution among party members.
Think you need to re look at it.
74 boss kills and no green drops. Got fed up and did a titan quest. Back to Sorrows and after 11 boss kills
Still no fecking green drop.
Total 85 boss kills with henchies and not one GREEN.
Tell me its not nerfed with henchies.
LAST UPDATE
Fixed a bug introduced in the Sorrow's Furnace Update that was causing unequal loot distribution among party members.
Think you need to re look at it.
Tijger
So, basically, this is a thread for whining if you dont get a green item drop if you run through SF a couple of times.
I've lost count of the runs I've done through SF and Grenths, so far I've gotten a lot of blue, similar amounts of purple, quite a lot of gold items and 7 green items. I've made about 50-60K (that includes the cost of buying keys which so far has been a loss maker for me) on those runs in total. I'd say its been pretty good going.
Except for the Yakslapper which I think is pretty good for my healer/prot monk I havent kept a single one because quite frankly, they arent THAT good. A good to great gold item is better imho.
I've lost count of the runs I've done through SF and Grenths, so far I've gotten a lot of blue, similar amounts of purple, quite a lot of gold items and 7 green items. I've made about 50-60K (that includes the cost of buying keys which so far has been a loss maker for me) on those runs in total. I'd say its been pretty good going.
Except for the Yakslapper which I think is pretty good for my healer/prot monk I havent kept a single one because quite frankly, they arent THAT good. A good to great gold item is better imho.
Tactical-Dillusions
I feel your pain sandman.
I did 60 bosses yesterday and got 2 greens from #17 and 18. That's one green every thirty bosses. While initially pleased, it's not that great really.
Using the few drops which i have got with henchies and parties and a few from trades and the 1 free gift from a player, i have today...finally...got all the green stashed from Grenth's.
Now i just need to keep taking the painstaking journey into SF.
I did 60 bosses yesterday and got 2 greens from #17 and 18. That's one green every thirty bosses. While initially pleased, it's not that great really.
Using the few drops which i have got with henchies and parties and a few from trades and the 1 free gift from a player, i have today...finally...got all the green stashed from Grenth's.
Now i just need to keep taking the painstaking journey into SF.
unienaule
Well so far.... I started out this update with 5k. I now have 140k, 13 ectoplasms, 1 obsidian shard, 6 rubies and 2 sapphires, a +5 energy sword, and... that's it. My main moneymakers were 2 Grognar's Shields and a Grognar's Sword.
Tactical-Dillusions
Yesterday i sent ArenaNet an email again regarding the current reduced green/gold drop rate (poor folks, lol) and i got a very swift response.
They asked me to put my email up on the forum to help them gauge the situation. I tried posting yesterday but the forum died
Here is the email i sent them and my reply i received just below it.
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Hello support,They asked me to put my email up on the forum to help them gauge the situation. I tried posting yesterday but the forum died
Here is the email i sent them and my reply i received just below it.
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I would be grateful if you could answer a couple of short questions for me because there is growing tension and upset amongst the community.
Why are the monster drops in Grenths Footprint and Sorrows Furnace currently of a really poor standard as opposed to when the update was first released?
Why are monster drops within groups of players equally as terrible as with groups of henchmen, when this never used to be the case?
If (as people suspect) the drop rates have been reduced, could you please explain the reason or reasons behind this descision?
Does a characters XP play a factor in determining what drops will be accquired?
Do other players playing extensively/exclusively in a particular area determine the drops for the players that visit an area infrequently?
Finally, could you please tell me why James Phinney's "State of the game letter'" promised "...accelerated sources of rare items." but the drops are so appalling, most bosses now only drop a white armour or an enslavement stone?
To add...last night, our group of six players, (all human except for one suicidal individual, who was a W/Mo so can probably be exempt) only got one green item from over two hours in Grenths Footprint and Sorrows Furnace.
This as i am sure you must agree is appalling considering them being advertised as one of the most rewarding and difficult areas in the whole of Guild Wars PvE.
Quite frankly, and in my own personal opinion, the areas are now boring and the drops need to be reverted back to how it was.
I am luckier than some people with the luxury of having infinite time to play in these areas. However, a casual player (which Guild Wars was advertised as being able to support) does not have the luxury of time and i can only sysmpathise with whatever non-drops they also receive.
I know you are not at all obligated to answer my questions, since you reserve the right to change content at any time and without reason as stated in the EULA.
However, public relations are also an important aspect and i'm sure you will agree that it is also in your best interests to help, answer, reassure and entertain your customers... not to mislead them with a source of grind, dissatisfaction and phantom fun decorated as a proverbial carrot.
I have taken my time with this email and have tried to structure it with intelligence, meaning and reason. If my tone sounds displeasing, i apologise. I do not mean to sound patronising or pushy.
I merely seek to find reasons behind the reduced drops which are prevalent and to give you a heads-up on the way some members are feeling....not only myself.
I thankyou for your time.
Best regards, Gary
IGN - Beast Master Archer
