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Maddie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Netherlands

[천상캐슬]

Mo/

29 Sep 2005 at 09:38 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nisha

Keys do drop from monsters, I was in a group last night in Sorrow's Furnace and saw a Mine's Key drop for one of my party members. It's the only one I've ever seen though...
On a side note, when I first bought the keys I thought they'd work for all or at least more than one chest! Boy was I disappointed for 600g...

Hmm I think I might consider me under the lucky ppl around here since i have got 5 key drops so far!!
It might sound unrealistic.. but it's true. I can't say else than that some ppl have more luck than other. I have not seen a black dye for ages.

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

29 Sep 2005 at 17:26 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frezak_bloodbath

Yeh, GW is now a casino game... Great.... And of course it is only really useful for those with loads of cash, as opposed to those saving up for a Guild hall (me)

I wish people would stop using this termanology. You ALWAYS get something that you can sell back for atleast 300-600 gold in Lion's Arch. And even the things you can have trouble selling can be sold back to the trader for 200-300 gold.

I have made over 70k on chests. The only people who could possibly compare these chests to slot machines are those who compulsively buy 10+ keys and then sell everything that they didn't think was magnificent back to the trader.

These people were probably already idiotic "BIG MONEY BIG MONEY IM GONNA WIN!" addicts to fortune in the first place and it's no suprise that they waste their "life savings" on something equally as trivial in fiction, too.

When I first opened a chest I had 6k gold. By the end of the night I had 70+k. It wasn't luck that got me 64k: It was my ability to buy a key for 600 gold, open a chest, find a Gold Max Damage Weapon (Which Gold weapons and armor are the ONLY things that drop from chests in the Southern Shiverpeaks) or a Superior Vigor/Monk/Ele Rune and eithe sell that weapon back for 600 gold to buy a new key or sell that rune for 6-40k.

That's how you make money. You charge a cheap price for high end items. You got it basically for free, you give it away basically for free.

This is going to sound very blunt, but those who are too dumb to know how to keep some of their money stashed away, to not be fussy about sell-back prices and ABOVE ALL ELSE realise that money isn't very important at all in this game shouldn't and DO NOT need it.

Slimcea

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

29 Sep 2005 at 18:23 - 123

If you managed to get all gold drops for you, then you're one heck of a lucky person. My last 4 Shiverpeak chests were all purples, and quite frankly, I've yet to see anyone willing to buy a purple for any price above merchant value. So no, golds are not the only things that drop from chests in Southern Shiverpeaks.

It still boils down to the same thing no matter what - if you're lucky, like Sagius, even if you don't do anything, you'll get wealthy. If you're a normal person, or even say unlucky like me, this is simply a loss-making venture no matter how you look at it.

The Crohns Killah

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

Legio De Mortis

W/Mo

29 Sep 2005 at 22:04 - 124

I love to go hunting around for chest bc i always get a gold and purple items mostly gold and i turn around a sell them for at least 1k ive made a killing with keys

I buy shiverpeak keys and farm around grenths (section near SF) it has the best stuff and the stone summit drop keys pretty often for me at least

maybe im just lucky but im not stopping with my chest hunting its fun passes time and i make tons of money and find good weapons.

Also it gives me something else to do while farming bosses near there for green items

If anyone is interested in some green gold and purple items my guild wars name is Keegan The McGarity and i usually have a green or gold just whisper me and ill see what ive got to sell

Battle Torn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scotland

W/Mo

10 Oct 2005 at 13:14 - 125

I tried to search for this topic but found nothing...and I know I cant be the only one who has noticed this.

I just wanted to ask if anyone else has noticed the following inside sorrows...

If 1st person gets a purple from chest then you all do

If 1st gets a gold from chest you all do

I dont open a chest if the first person gets purple, I just wait for a gold.

This has worked for me many times and although the drops are random I ALWAYS get gold once the first person does, and I ALWAYS get purple if the first person does. Ive been doing this for weeks now and it never fails and Ive been giving away gold items to my guild frequently.

Now I know some ppl are going to start with the 'its a random drop you idiot' but try it first then let me know Im right.

Try it before posting and telling me Im wrong like some ppl in the game.... just open the chest see if you all get the same colour all the time then make your own mind up.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

12 Oct 2005 at 10:32 - 126

Yes, it's like Battle Torn says. For anyone who says opposite, try doing Orozar for weeks. That teaches you a lot of stuff you didn't know before.

istole somonesname

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/W

12 Oct 2005 at 10:42 - 127

First off if your going to do chest hunting I suggest you do it in sorrows furnace. Within one day I got 2 req 8 gold chaos axes and a req 9. I sold the req 8's un'id for 90K each and the req 9 for 70K.

Shiverpeak chests tend to drop a lot of purples and you end up throwing your money away. If you do decided to do it I suggest doing in the port sledge area and doing it.

Mistress Develion

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

GRZL

R/Me

12 Oct 2005 at 12:41 - 128

Ive spent 6k on keys and have had a return of about 155k *shrugs*

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

12 Oct 2005 at 14:02 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by thirtypercent

key should not be available at merchants. only mobs should drop them

Keys drop like dyes for me. If they where only available as drops I wouldn't get anything! T_T Up to date since SF patch (3 key drops 1 ascalonian, 1 Krytan and 1 Phantom).

They don't drop often enough!

Wolvine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA/European Server

HELL

W/

12 Oct 2005 at 15:26 - 130

I must be one of the lucky ones with the chests as I collected a gold hammer with the following stats in the ice caves mission

Max Damage Hammer
+20% on enchantments
Vampiric +5 health Steal
- 1 health

One of the best PVP weapons I have found also I Have found a near perfect chaos sundering axe and over 6 superior runes

and I seem to get keys dropped buy monsters more often than gold items dont figure maybe I was born under a lucky star

Wolvine

ChoKILLate[FDG]

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

[FDG]-Fudge

Mo/Me

13 Oct 2005 at 17:52 - 131

I have gotten golds once others have gotten puple and I have gotten purples after others have gotten gold, however, it does usually work like Battle Torn and others have stated.

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

13 Oct 2005 at 20:06 - 132

I usually see it that 6/8 of the people in the group get a purple, and 2 get golds, but lately its been more 50/50...so I actually buy keys more now because they seemed to have increased the chance of getting rares from them...though I did waste 6k on keys and got absolutely nothing good with all of them...mostly rares, but horrible mods...

istole somonesname

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/W

13 Oct 2005 at 20:21 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vilaptca

I usually see it that 6/8 of the people in the group get a purple, and 2 get golds, but lately its been more 50/50...so I actually buy keys more now because they seemed to have increased the chance of getting rares from them...though I did waste 6k on keys and got absolutely nothing good with all of them...mostly rares, but horrible mods...

Actually if one person get a purple then everyone that opens that chet will get a purple. If the first person gets a gold then everyone will get a gold.

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

13 Oct 2005 at 20:56 - 134

If this is something new then say so, because I have NEVER in my entire playing seen this with the new key chests. NEVER EVER. I know they upped rares in that one patch, but nope...still never seen this. I'm just posting what I've seen, you can't argue with me that I didn't see it...

Granted, I have not played with anyone in game, but henchmen for the past week, so if something was changed recently I probably wouldn't know...

Anways, looked at the patch notes...

Update - Thursday, September 22

Fixed problems with random positioning of locked chests.

Improved distribution of rare items in locked chests so that most players will get more rare items.

I guess that could have done it, but I have played with groups since then and have not noticed what you are describing, and typically with groups, we make a big spectacle out of opening the chests, you can also read what they pick up, and no...not once have I been in a group and the whole group got either rares or purples. I have noticed more people getting rares from chests since the first introduction of chests, but not in the way you are saying.

Wolvine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA/European Server

HELL

W/

14 Oct 2005 at 11:50 - 135

I must admit from experience last night that first item from the chest is usually the colour from that chest i.e. purple means mostly purple and gold means mostly gold items as my group last night got 6 gold items form i chest outside augry rock

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

14 Oct 2005 at 12:46 - 136

the reason the keys are so high is cause just like everything else. NO ONE is selling them back to NPCs. And because the chests are getting farmed to DEATH the drop quality is falling... Sooner or later people will STOP that and it will balance out again. 90% of the chests in shiver peeks are farmed out for most players. only dropping purple items at best... luckily I don't farm much so I still get a good drop on occasion,

We still see a gold drop on occasion in magmua too. go figure...

Keys will come down when people start selling them back to NPCs, just like Dyes and Runes do. Same with Superior Salvage and ID kits. right now they are too high for value. its cheaper to get Expert kits for same number of uses... just uses more slots is all... I personally think the kits should be fixed prices. not market driven... but that's me... kits are different from keys... they are generally not abused. they are used and NEVER sold back, and I don't think I have ever seen one drop anywhere.... so that didn't make a lot of since to me... Keys do drop though thus market commodity.

Remember the Keys were made to force a penalty for people doing chest farming. This was to discourage this kind of behavior. and ensure a drop for those willing to get a key for the area. (that was the other complaint, chests that didn't drop anything for people in a group)

Also remember the definition of RARE??? that means not everyone has one right? sheesh... If they made it easy to get, it wouldn't be RARE would it?

Wait till you see the RED UNIQUE class they are looking into. That means 1 per account, never to be found again by that player. period!!! Its a lot like a PvP item, in that it will not even go into a trade window. so its not sellable either.

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

14 Oct 2005 at 13:26 - 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

the reason the keys are so high is cause just like everything else. NO ONE is selling them back to NPCs. And because the chests are getting farmed to DEATH the drop quality is falling... Sooner or later people will STOP that and it will balance out again. 90% of the chests in shiver peeks are farmed out for most players. only dropping purple items at best... luckily I don't farm much so I still get a good drop on occasion,

This is just wrong. Items that appear on a merchant's "buy" screen have values fixed in game, and don't fluctuate. You'll never get a slavage kit, a rune of holding or an ID kit any cheaper, no matter what happens economically. Same with keys; they are a fixed price item.

toddmalcolm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

aussie yobos

R/E

14 Oct 2005 at 14:53 - 138

for the past month i have spent a fortune on keys and had a very poor return, last night though in the space of half an hour i got two sup vigor runes. so i guess i cant complain too much....a quick 100k...its all luck, sometimes u have and most of the time u dont.

Stormwindz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

somewhere

R/

14 Oct 2005 at 15:06 - 139

lol i bought onli 5 shiverpeaks keys used all and i got a return of 200k+ unlocked 2 sundering axe hafts 10/10 and a sup absorption

Volarian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

NOT-Nomads Of Turmoil

14 Oct 2005 at 15:15 - 140

A few things, I'm not discounting what people are saying they're seeing but rather stating fact from my own experience:
1. Group of 8 going thru Fire Island missions, one person opens chest and gets a purple..........ALL remaining 7 party members as well get PURPLE.
2. No possible way someone uses 6 keys, gets 6 purple items be them armour or weapons and only gets a return of 155g(ooops just reread that post...he said 155K

, unless they're all armours - minor runes that the player then salvages and sells to trader for 25g each!! Why do that when selling the armour with rune id'd for 100+ gold every time??

I too have spent plenty of money on keys in the hopes of getting a nice drop, primarily a gold armour for a Sup Vig type loot and the balance of what you spend versus what you may reap....WAY off.
Ex: In this case I'm using the merchants pricing as comparison rather than what I may be able to get from another player because that's purely speculative.
So I get a gold fire wand, max dmg which after being ID'd only has +5 nrg while health is +50%. Next I get a gold Mursaat hammer, mx dmg, dmg+15% while health is +50%, and health +28. The hammer is still mod-able one time as is or to replace the mods it has.
Merchant price on the Wand is 468g
Merchat price on Hammer 280g

Don't know bout anyone else out there, but from in-game experience with selling/buying that Hammer with the stats it has and the ability to upgrade the health to perfect AND add another mod on top of what it's base is....would make this weapon easily 10x more valuable than an un-modifiable wand<---regardless of the +5 nrg.

Gia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Remove my account now!

W/Mo

14 Oct 2005 at 20:48 - 141

I don't like it I prefer the old way.

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

16 Oct 2005 at 04:46 - 142

Ok, so I finally went out and tested this with a group. I see what you mean, but I don't understand why its not in any patch notes or why they haven't said anything about it at all.

So...I guess I'm not going to be the first to open a chest anymore, so that I can see whether I'll get a horrible purple or a decent gold...

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

16 Oct 2005 at 06:08 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gia

I don't like it I prefer the old way.

well, this was the solution to the bot-chest-famer-people. chest botters, whatever.

at least, i think so.

also, it probably was meant to stop the section of the fanbase that spends their time whining that they don't get the "uber-pwnage" weapons that they seem to see all around them. except...it didn't. just look at this thread....

i like this new system, even though i haven't seen a shiverpeak chest in the longest time. seems that they've dissapeared from grenth's footprint.....

Battle Torn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scotland

W/Mo

18 Oct 2005 at 16:39 - 144

Im glad I noticed something that helps anyone (not opening first to ensure gold) and as I said I dont claim to be the first to have noticed, but I have changed some peoples minds reading this post and thats what posting was intended to do. I never open chests first now and that means I get more gold items than ever before and makes farming worthwhile. I dont know why the update didnt mention this but there you go.

cant wait to see the red items

wonder what they will be like and that will encourage more people to use more characters in the game that can only add to experience and respect for other classes.

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

22 Oct 2005 at 08:57 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I found a Steel Key today, where abouts are they used?

if a key is dropped, it is used in or near that area

The undead Mesmer

Delphian Scribe

Join Date: May 2005

Holland

No guild ;_;

N/Me

22 Oct 2005 at 09:31 - 146

did you know that some mobs guard chests o.0 i did the dunes of despair mission the other day and it whas 5 minutes before thend i whas like meh lets kill the wurms so i ran up to the doulbe worm spawn and guess what?

after i killed one he dropped a key for me (elonian offcourse) and under the other one whas a chest o.0 i got a pretty rare shield from it

Demon Rebel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Phoenix, Az

Kings of Chaos Knights (KoCK)

W/Me

25 Oct 2005 at 06:13 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

the reason the keys are so high is cause just like everything else. NO ONE is selling them back to NPCs. And because the chests are getting farmed to DEATH the drop quality is falling... Sooner or later people will STOP that and it will balance out again. 90% of the chests in shiver peeks are farmed out for most players. only dropping purple items at best... luckily I don't farm much so I still get a good drop on occasion,

We still see a gold drop on occasion in magmua too. go figure...

As already posted this is junk... IMHO

I started a little tank a week or two back and am currently working on ascension with her. 2 other buddies did the same with new char's as well - Ele and a R.

In the last 2 weeks we have probably opened a number of chests and picked up 75% gold items with either close to near perfect mods or Perfect mods! A number of very Very nice sundering and Vampiric bows last night even while doing the Villany run, and after a few runs in the jungle with at least 5 chests of all goldies between the wilds and bloodstone.

The keys were annoying at first and I too have run into what ~Sent said earlier - I never go without a key because I could be looking at my next perfect Barbed Sephis Axe of Warding (mine currently is 2pts off perfect dmg 6-26) , or a number of other items that I have gotten on drops.

Currently I need to get my little tank into the furnace and the islands becuz my Magmus shield is nice but getting a dual -X while stance or hex or something would be nice (my little Magmus shield is great with the 2 mods its got).

Key are good... and yes they may be a gold sink but its nice to add a little gamble in every once in a while that doesn't mean going blow for blow 1 on 1 with a boss or something while soloing... less chance of a DP if you actually come down to synchronizing your skill usage... (though I am learning more and more about soloing every day

Anyhow thats my bit!

monk muffle

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Mo

26 Oct 2005 at 05:44 - 148

k every1 listen to me.... fudge shiverpeaks go down to Fow and b4 u leave spend about 3k on obsidian keys they are 1.5k each i have only opened one adn i gto a 10/10 sundering cleaver of fortitude +28 health 14^50 sure theyre more expensive...but this chest sems to be good

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

26 Oct 2005 at 06:00 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by monk muffle

k every1 listen to me.... fudge shiverpeaks go down to Fow and b4 u leave spend about 3k on obsidian keys they are 1.5k each i have only opened one adn i gto a 10/10 sundering cleaver of fortitude +28 health 14^50 sure theyre more expensive...but this chest sems to be good

What chest? Key chest placement is random and doesn't always give the same quality of drops. You could end up blowing a 1.5k key on a chest that gives you a bad purple shadow staff.

kKagari

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

26 Oct 2005 at 10:59 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolvine

I must be one of the lucky ones with the chests as I collected a gold hammer with the following stats in the ice caves mission

Max Damage Hammer
+20% on enchantments
Vampiric +5 health Steal
- 1 health

One of the best PVP weapons I have found also I Have found a near perfect chaos sundering axe and over 6 superior runes

and I seem to get keys dropped buy monsters more often than gold items dont figure maybe I was born under a lucky star

Wolvine

i too, have gotten great chest drops in Ice caves of sorrow, 1 sup vigor and 1 sup absorption

Kyle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Legends Of Teh Industry [XXX]

27 Oct 2005 at 02:45 - 151

I dont know. the FoW chests seem to be pretty good. My first experience with those chests cuz i prefer UW but starting to like FoW for the chests. Lots of the members of my group had keys. I didnt but 1 cuz for 1.5k yeah rite. They opened it and all got golds. Choas axe i know was 1. others and others. And then a key drops for me. So i run back and open it. Sure enough a gold max hammer with some upgrades that i cant remember. Ill have to try those chests again.

Battle Torn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scotland

W/Mo

02 Nov 2005 at 10:29 - 152

It may be worth trying a running build to hunt down some chests in FOW or UW. I know its possible but it will then be down to luck if you get purple or gold and you could die real quick if not careful

but its better than standing around shouting for a party when Europe has favour mind you

Takeko Nakano

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Great Britain

W/P

02 Nov 2005 at 10:45 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle

I dont know. the FoW chests seem to be pretty good. My first experience with those chests cuz i prefer UW but starting to like FoW for the chests. Lots of the members of my group had keys. I didnt but 1 cuz for 1.5k yeah rite. They opened it and all got golds. Choas axe i know was 1. others and others. And then a key drops for me. So i run back and open it. Sure enough a gold max hammer with some upgrades that i cant remember. Ill have to try those chests again.

It can be worth buying one. And I did only see golds released from FoW chests when I last went in. Then again, there is a chance you'll get something rubbish like a deadly cesta or Healing Ankh (with "when hexed" bonuses). If you get a key drop in FoW, that's good. But I would never advise buying more than one key, unless someone's selling them really cheap in ToA.

SaintGreg

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

04 Nov 2005 at 00:53 - 154

Everything earlier than shiverpeaks is pretty much a waste. Sometimes you get elonian key drops from griffon farming, and after a while of getting crap I started just selling those keys back. The only keys I would actively buy would be for UW of FoW, since you have a pretty high chance of getting something that you will like/something that is sellable for decent cash. Whenever I go to either I usually stock up about 2-3 keys.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

04 Nov 2005 at 01:14 - 155

Um, I'd buy miner's keys too. I have a set of bows that are req 8 and 9 which have +15%dmg for stance, enchanted, >50 and always (-5 energy) that i got from Miner's.

Battle Torn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scotland

W/Mo

04 Nov 2005 at 08:28 - 156

Yeh miners keys are good too.

Shimus DarkRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Titusville, PA <nowhere>

KOD <Knights of the Dragonrose><Guild Officer>

W/Mo

04 Nov 2005 at 10:27 - 157

I've had keys drop like galore, but it still doesn't justify what I get out the chests, the best I've ever netted was a major vigor rune. I say if they drop, just sell to em to PC's under the price it takes to buy em, and you got a legit business, none of this "Poke and see" chance unlocking chests.

My 2 Cents.

--The Shim

jon__

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuh Five

R/E

04 Nov 2005 at 10:42 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyCC

Tell me that this is just me:

I have now spent about 10k on keys, specifically Shiverpeak keys. I have been wandering the South Shiverpeaks for some time and used all of those keys. My return has been about 1k, an ROI of -90% seems hardly acceptable. Included in my loot has only been purple items, not a single gold item, runes I have already unlocked that only sell for 25g. I understand they have tried to make more gold sinks, such as the fee for entering a new guild.

Grrr... the chests in FoW and UW do pretty well by me, but if you want to talk about a gold sink, what the eff's up with the superior salvage kit? I gad a +30HP mod on a shadow bow (BLEH) out of a gold chest in FoW, so I thought to be sure to get the upgrade I'd use a superior salvage...

Wood planks. I used that superior salvage on a bunch of gold and purple items -- with decent mods, too -- and got wood planks for every single one. Tried it with the expert kit and kept getting upgrades.

USELESS, I say.

Shimus DarkRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Titusville, PA <nowhere>

KOD <Knights of the Dragonrose><Guild Officer>

W/Mo

04 Nov 2005 at 10:54 - 159

I abhor that statement! I absolutely adore my superior kit, it's never failed me once, and always gives me the highest returns possible!

With everything, salvaging is still a % chance you'll get what you're after. Get ready to get hit with wood planks or ingots when you go to salvage that bow or sword, it's all probability my friend.

I <3 My Sup Salv kit, made 4 plat <negating the 2 spent on it> for a profit of 2 plat and extra materials I used for my own armor on alts.

Imho, Sup Kits rock, and I don't gotta worry bout replacing em for a bit, unless you're a salvag-a-holic, or an Ident-a-freak.

My 2 Cents.

--The Shim

stefan16

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Heroes Of Revenge [Thor]

W/Mo

04 Nov 2005 at 13:18 - 160

UW Chests for the win, 1 key
req 10
+15^50 storm with perf marks upgr