Defeating IWAY?

Your team will be completely drained of energy in about 10-15 seconds if they ball up. go in an iway team, and play someone that balls up. you have a grand total of 5 seconds +/- to work your fear me magic. one healing seed = enough. big woop they drop a monk. oh no, i cant use a res sig because...? (and thats rare, look at the score chart against a w/r group. the balled team barely dips while the other goes straight down like some kind of eoe bomb)

Actually I haven't lost once yet, except in the hall, when running an IWAY build. The build isn't bad . /clap

now ill use your own ridiculous argument, "oh but theres only teh noobxors in tombs !!111"

There was a great video posted the other day showing how crap Necro's are in GvG... (sarcasm mode off. Have to spell it out since people here generally can't detect sarcasm). Anyway, an IWAY team gets utterly, utterly demolished in the vid. So does an E/Mo smite time. Good fun! Do you have a link to the vid? Love to see it

go in an iway team, and play someone that balls up. you have a grand total of 5 seconds +/- to work your fear me magic. one healing seed = enough. big woop they drop a monk. oh no, i cant use a res sig because...? (and thats rare, look at the score chart against a w/r group. the balled team barely dips while the other goes straight down like some kind of eoe bomb) The strat forums are not here how to teach people to beat bad people. Nobody said you have to stand within smite range or near your pets to get adrenaline. I wish I knew how to upload pictures. Cause I found it really funny a team did exactly what you have been saying and they died in about 30 seconds. They did it rather well too: they had multiple enchants and heavy smiting in a small stairway area. Didn't do a thing to us.

I guess there's not much more to say. When you play us, you'll see this is a lot harder to stop than you think. And I hope for your sake you don't bunch up because that's just death.

The strat forums are not here how to teach people to beat bad people. Nobody said you have to stand within smite range or near your pets to get adrenaline. I wish I knew how to upload pictures. Cause I found it really funny a team did exactly what you have been saying and they died in about 30 seconds. They did it rather well too: they had multiple enchants and heavy smiting in a small stairway area. Didn't do a thing to us.

I guess there's not much more to say. When you play us, you'll see this is a lot harder to stop than you think. And I hope for your sake you don't bunch up because that's just death. Agreed 100%. Ok, so imagine you balled up in a corner. 7 W/R's come in, pull out the ranged weapons the bought for the purpose and send the pets in. So you have 2 choices...split the ball, or kill all the pets and get absolutely steamrollered shortly after. Balling up allows the IWAY build to do exactly what is intended, force smite teams to kill the pets. As im sure most of you have noticed, it's pretty hard to smite well enough to kill W's and that necro without dropping dead pets right left and centre. And with 5+ pets dead, you really have put yourself at a hideous disadvantage.
Wards are fairly effective, ball might be worth trying in a 3-ward group although i reckon dust trap/throw dirt/mass slowdown is the future of anti-iway, if the W's cant get to you you can pick them off at leasure with casters. Blocking 50% of attacks a la Aegis really isnt the answer tbh, with a nearly doubled attack speed from Tigers and IWAY (and i dont know how you can say TF doesnt belong in an IWAY build, unless you want to run frenzy, and given that W's WILL be targetted that seems a little foolish.) they're still hitting you as often as they would with no buffs and no aegis , which is enough to hurt...more to the point any iway warrior who thought for 5 minutes before starting would be running iresisitable blow and/or warriors cunning anyway...

How are you AoEing warriors that are spread out in a ring around you (in the case of a ball) or spread on 3-5 different targets (in the case of kiting)? What moron is standing on top of his dead pet? Why are they hitting a target that's got seed on them?



I think this statement kind of proves that you're playing awful IWAY teams. Necros are always first down when you're running IWAY, so the fact he's getting stupid energy from soul reaping is irrelevant. Everything else is ignorable, because Fear Me will drain them dry in under 10 seconds (slightly more if you spread and are running perma-aegis). If you've AoEed their pets in one big pile, why would they go anywhere near that spot? You're talking about ways to beat the build that depend on the enemy being stupid.

IWAY builds depend on the skill of the player, because there's not really much of interest going on with the build. It's solid and straightforward. The enemy knows exactly what you're doing, and you've got to depend on your execution to win you matches (because let's face it, there's nothing overpowered or broken with the build). If you've got 7 people that are competent warriors (good field awareness, picks targets of opportunity well, good positioning, know when to retreat), you should rock any tombs map besides the Dias.

If you charge a healing ball and engage in melee, sit in wells and AoEs, fight a necro amongst a pile of corpses, and don't know when to hit sprint and run like a girl (retreating is probably one of the most important things to do in an IWAY build), then you're going to loose to guys like smurfhunter. the big question is, what do you do if the entire team is in a ball and wont leave it? you just stand around talking? eventually someone has to run in, and especially in an altar map its just funny..

um... if the pets die.. it doesnt do a thing. 6 pips of regen, but theyre taking about 22 a second from BA, 37 every like 1.__ seconds from zealots, 60 every 3 seconds from meteor shower, and about 120 everytime someone dies from putrid. if you think that BA doesnt hit everyone, think again. it does unless you have the some of the most seriously incompetent players balling up. why attack someone who has seed on him? asking me? the IWAY teams always go for their opposite number, and if its a monk they generally dont switch just because of seed. not to mention the fire ele usually takes things like phoenix and flameburst. that adds alot.

and no, necros are not the first down when playing against IWAY teams. when sitting in a ball its not that easy to kill the necro when hes standing some distance away spamming orders. thats why you *try* to have the mesmer go for him, which works like 70% of the time, and fails all the time when theres more than one.

you guys should seriously go into tombs and ask anyone in a decent team what they think of an IWAY team... 99% of the people go "free fame". these IWAY builds are ridiculously bad. you wont roll over anything with it.

and FYI, in altar maps, the reason IWAY teams lose isnt totaly based on the fact that they cant prot their ghost. take a 3 way HoH for example. ghost reses all the time, so you might as well just leave him at the start if your an IWAY. question is, if these builds are so strong, why dont they just run in at 2:00 and kil everyone then bring their ghost? thing is, they cant kill anyone. and theyre all bunched up on the altar. altar maps like broken tower and the hoh are really no different from a 1-1 other than the timer (for iways). its the courtyard map that stinks for them because they need to keep someone (the priest) alive to res the ghost, you cant rely on an orb/spawn point.

i seriously thing like 99% of the people who post pro-iway comments are just out of touch/havent played gw recently. GO PLAY THE GAME, then talk. iway builds are laughed at now, you only see these ppl going "rank 2 w/r with a pet LF iway team, i only have ts!!11" and the guys name is like "avenge you i will"

its like the old spike teams. which reminds me, i actually got owned by a spike team lol. it was some crazy guild using it. it was sad.