Good or bad sportsmanship...you decide.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

19 Sep 2005 at 12:03 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aria

As for not having enough time to confirm whether or not the altar has been captured.. that seems rather unbelievable to me. Victory in hall dictates capture of the dais. This is why people wait until the two minute mark -- why some people cap before that, and why other, often better informed teams capture later. Capture is crucial, and the huge green letters can't be missed (unless you're a monk.. and even then, I'm a bit skeptical). It's the main objective of HoH -- not decimating the other team.. but capturing. As such, isn't it only natural to think that a team who doesn't devote enough attention and give enough priority to the dais to even ask if the altar was captured -- isn't it unsurprising to find that a single ranger foiled an entire team? I'm sorry, but this wasn't an exploit. It was carelessness.

of course the huge green letters can be missed. in HoH the number 1 priority is to keep your team alive. you don't win if you're all dead. as a monk if i'm busy making sure that my team stays alive, i don't have time to stop healing for 30 seconds to ask: "hey did we cap the Altar yet?"

nor do my allies have time to stop what they're doing in order to respond to that question.

anyhow the point is that it appeared as though my team did have the Altar capped because our Ghost was on top of the Altar and attacking the enemy players who came near, whereas their Ghost was nowhere to be found and most likely camped at their starting point in hopes that we wouldn't notice the exploit they were pulling (which to their "credit", we did not)

short of us not having seen the "Altar Captured" message that only stays on the screen for a few seconds in the middle of totally hectic combat, we had no way to realize that despite the appearance of us having the Altar, we did not really have it

it's not carelessness that the game did not make this fact more clear to us.

Gwenhywar

Gwenhywar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Shameful Spirits [SsP]

Mo/

19 Sep 2005 at 12:18 - 42
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Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth
Also, we had 3 henchies, lol.
You already lost the battle when you entered it with 3 henchies ... I don't see why you are complaining about something the other team did. You simply have no chance to win against any somewhat decent team with henchies in your team, and it actually surprises me that the other team needed to camp you at the res point to win - but I take they just were lazy and wanted it to be over fast, since the outcome was so obvious anyway.

Try to get 8 real people, even if part of them are in their first GvG it's still better than taking henchies. And if your guild is too small, try finding another small guild or 2 and merging with them. Small guilds = less fun.

Akimb0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Rt/N

19 Sep 2005 at 12:26 - 43
The thing here is: Dont let them get there. Do it to them. Set up traps in the area.

Bebop

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2005

19 Sep 2005 at 12:38 - 44
I don't really get what the problem is here.
What did you expect them to do once they had killed you? As he's already said, the last thing the other guild wanted to do was you guys to res and flank them while they are trying to kill the lord so they made sure you couldn't.
If you were expecting them to stand around, let you res and buff yourselves and both teams collectively count to 10 before engaging to make it "fair" then you're in cuckoo land my friend.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

19 Sep 2005 at 13:24 - 45
Here's the real problem. Anet wants to make it possible for incredible comebacks blah blah blah. Well, if an entire team gets wiped out with next to no losses, its basically over anyway. A possible way to counter this would be random respawn locations. Other than that, this is a design flaw. And don't tell me that's not what they want, I just got done reading it on guildwars.com.

Loquetus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Total Equilibrium of Telenet

Mo/W

19 Sep 2005 at 14:41 - 46
camping the rez point in GvG is annoying but understandable some times
like when you just killed everyone and you are near rez point 10 secs before respawn

you can never kill the guildlord chamber in 10 seconds so you can just aswell wait for them to respawn to buy yourself some time to kill the guildlord

Axel Revolver

Axel Revolver

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

In A Box.

W/R

19 Sep 2005 at 15:04 - 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth
In a GvG tonight, the opposing team made it into our base and spawn camped our rez. At about 1 sec before rez, the wards went up right on the pad. Then they bodyblocked so we couldn't get off the pad. Then AoE. Then death. 3x this happened.

I know its possible therefore its not cheating persay. But is this the close relative to ganking? And how would you counter this? Don't be a butt and say 'dont die'.
Was the guild called The Final Guild by any chance? If so, then, that was my me in it also. I got kicked out of the guild, but I don't care, I was like, the only 16 year old guy in it. Yeah, that guild is actually a bunch of oldbies pro GvGers, left some big guild, forgot the name, and formed it up.

Algren Cole

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

19 Sep 2005 at 15:30 - 48
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Originally Posted by Arathorn5000

Your stereotype of kids being much more competitive than adults is amusing at best....run some tests or surveys and prove it, but don't just spout nonsense. From my perspective, age is not linked with competitive playing. "Now that I have a job, I lost my reflexes and my desire to beat the opponents"
it's painfully apparent you're a 14 year old school kid(probably with few friends). When you grow you up and have to a be big boy you'll realize that "competitive online gaming" is about the worst way to spend your time possible. Adults lack the desire to "win at all costs" because we lack the need to define ourselves by the video games we play. Being "godly" at a video game isn't going to get you anywhere in life...and really, only 14 year old school kids care if you're "godly" at a video game.


to the OP: no it's not very sportsmanlike...but it's going to happen due to the "win at all costs" mentality. Unfortunately bitching about it won't change anything.

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

19 Sep 2005 at 15:58 - 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
stuff like always happens. if a player can exploit it, it will be exploited

last time i was in HoH, my party won the round. but we didn't really win because the other party had one ranger left alive who kept interrupting our Hero from capping the Altar. hence even though our team was the only one left alive and we had pretty much decimated all the other parties, and our Ghost was ontop of the Altar exclusively for the last 3 minutes of the round, suddenly my party was deemed to have "lost" due to our Ghost being constantly interrupted from capping the Altar

i don't blame the players though. i blame the devs. if it can be legally done in the game, then it's not a player's fault for doing it. the devs need to patch out exploits like these.



ummmm lets see there was only 1 ranger left for 3 minutes of the match???

can you please explain why you could not kill him?

or did i not understand your post correctly?

-z|o-

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

19 Sep 2005 at 16:48 - 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Algren Cole
it's painfully apparent you're a 14 year old school kid(probably with few friends). When you grow you up and have to a be big boy you'll realize that "competitive online gaming" is about the worst way to spend your time possible. Adults lack the desire to "win at all costs" because we lack the need to define ourselves by the video games we play.
Its tough not being able to come up with a valid argument so you have to bring the classic "you are a 14 year old kid with no friends" lines.

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Being "godly" at a video game isn't going to get you anywhere in life...and really, only 14 year old school kids care if you're "godly" at a video game.
Well some people do get paid pretty well for playing video games competatively, and i would expect in some distant future the title "gamer" will be qualified as a poffession rather than a hobby. As far as godly goes, its a perk that come with winning. If you dont care about winning why would you play in competative system to begin with?

Algren Cole

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

19 Sep 2005 at 16:51 - 51
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Originally Posted by -z|o-
Its tough not being able to come up with a valid argument so you have to bring the classic "you are a 14 year old kid with no friends" lines.
you're another one of those pesky 14 year old school boys huh?



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Well some people do get paid pretty well for playing video games competatively, and i would expect in some distant future the title "gamer" will be qualified as a poffession rather than a hobby. As far as godly goes, its a perk that come with winning. If you dont care about winning why would you play in competative system?
Some do...most don't. Some people get paid pretty well to sit around and pretend they are someone else..we call them actors...most of us will never be actors So it's best to get on with doing something else. Your chances of being a competitive gamer are shockingly low. And no, "gamer" will never be a profession.

And there is nothing wrong with wanting to win...or playing competitively...nor did I say that there was. The problem is that school children are overly competitive and can't understand why adults with responsibilities, car payments, mortgages, full time jobs, children, family, etc etc etc aren't interested in being "godly" at a video game.....it's just not tops on their list of things to do today. Generally it's right above "Tell my wife she doesn't look fat today" and right below "eat dinner"

-z|o-

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

19 Sep 2005 at 17:14 - 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Algren Cole
And no, "gamer" will never be a profession.
You right, "gamer" will never be a profession .. it will be a career.

Loquetus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Total Equilibrium of Telenet

Mo/W

19 Sep 2005 at 17:19 - 53
lmao
sure people are going to get paid to play games....
dream on
only people that'll get paiment for playing = testers
and even then.....
that would only be pre-alpha

how many people will ever get paid for just playing a game?
ofcourse you get the cyber games where the n°1's of the world can get a prize but i doubt alot of people will be n°1 ....

Teufel Eldritch

Teufel Eldritch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Shadar Logoth

The Legendary Majestic 12

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19 Sep 2005 at 18:26 - 54
Lotta gamers in Korea get paid to game. Don't see why it can't eventually branch out to other parts of the world.

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

19 Sep 2005 at 19:23 - 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Algren Cole
it's painfully apparent you're a 14 year old school kid(probably with few friends). When you grow you up and have to a be big boy you'll realize that "competitive online gaming" is about the worst way to spend your time possible. Adults lack the desire to "win at all costs" because we lack the need to define ourselves by the video games we play. Being "godly" at a video game isn't going to get you anywhere in life...and really, only 14 year old school kids care if you're "godly" at a video game.


to the OP: no it's not very sportsmanlike...but it's going to happen due to the "win at all costs" mentality. Unfortunately bitching about it won't change anything.
Eh, try again. I'm 20 and in college. You? If you're an adult, then I find it sad that you have so much time to troll this forum. Every thread I see you post in, you're always trying to trash someone's opinion or bring them down somehow. I never said I play to "win at all costs". I don't have to take it to extremes. However, to a point, I do "play to win". I don't understand why anyone would find it fun to play guildwars PvP if they don't play to win (except for the GvG drinking games I've heard about)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Algren Cole
And no, "gamer" will never be a profession.
Since Nascar drivers get paid millions to drive around in circles, I wouldn't discount anything so easily

Algren Cole

Algren Cole

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

19 Sep 2005 at 19:28 - 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arathorn5000



Since Nascar drivers get paid millions to drive around in circles, I wouldn't discount anything so easily

roflmao good point

salja Wachi

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Chicago

the Bleeding Edge

N/Mo

19 Sep 2005 at 19:37 - 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
of course the huge green letters can be missed. in HoH the number 1 priority is to keep your team alive. you don't win if you're all dead. as a monk if i'm busy making sure that my team stays alive, i don't have time to stop healing for 30 seconds to ask: "hey did we cap the Altar yet?"

nor do my allies have time to stop what they're doing in order to respond to that question.

anyhow the point is that it appeared as though my team did have the Altar capped because our Ghost was on top of the Altar and attacking the enemy players who came near, whereas their Ghost was nowhere to be found and most likely camped at their starting point in hopes that we wouldn't notice the exploit they were pulling (which to their "credit", we did not)

short of us not having seen the "Altar Captured" message that only stays on the screen for a few seconds in the middle of totally hectic combat, we had no way to realize that despite the appearance of us having the Altar, we did not really have it

it's not carelessness that the game did not make this fact more clear to us.


umjmm do yo uplay with your sound on or off?

the sounds if interrupts is very clear.

not to mention the fact that if there were 8 of you and only 3 monks(even if all three monks did not see the green message, which i doubt) what were the other 5 doing?

I am sorry but this is a case of either not paying attention or not knowing how to play.

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

19 Sep 2005 at 19:41 - 58
If you hold the altar, I'm fairly sure all those freakin huge flags around it change to your team's colors. Just for people who don't know what team holds currently

MuKen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

19 Sep 2005 at 22:27 - 59
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Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
Every thread I see you post in, you're always trying to trash someone's opinion or bring them down somehow.
For great truth.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

19 Sep 2005 at 23:11 - 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
Yes they do want you to do it. They built the game to promote the use of player skill and ingenuity. Some players will push the upper echelons of game strategy, you cannot ignore this, and A-net should want this to happen. When good players push tactics and strategy that far, they come up with things that the developers might have not even thought of, and they should be proud when it happens because it means they have created a game with tremendous depth.

This isn't to say that the developers won't sometimes "nerf" things that went unforseen and they consider to be too effective. I'm saying that unexpected, effective strategies aren't necessarily bad, and are probably generally good for the game.
and oops your argument's invalidated

try again slugger

Arathorn5000

Arathorn5000

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Xen of Onslaught Ladder [XoO]

19 Sep 2005 at 23:55 - 61
How so?

"Hey look I can bold words and pretend that I'm real clever. What do you mean taking things out of context and pretending they're extreme stand-alone statements isn't really valid reasoning? I'm so clever!"

Try reading the things I said and asking me what I meant if you have trouble comprehending capitalized letters and punctuation.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

20 Sep 2005 at 02:44 - 62
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Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
How so?

"Hey look I can bold words and pretend that I'm real clever. What do you mean taking things out of context and pretending they're extreme stand-alone statements isn't really valid reasoning? I'm so clever!"

Try reading the things I said and asking me what I meant if you have trouble comprehending capitalized letters and punctuation.
k

let's spell it out for you then champ

you say the developers should (look at that word, should) be proud that people are finding exploits and raping them to all hell for personal benefit

and that the developers meant (another good one) to put these exploits in and make them possible

ok

go back to fanatically reading sirlin's teachings and sucking him off ok

Vax

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quality Control [QuCo]

20 Sep 2005 at 02:50 - 63
I havent taken the time to read over this entire thread, because honestly, I do not care that much.

I have just come to say that killing off the enemy at the resserection portal/place/spot whatever is not UNFAIR.

Once you have reached -60% DP, then YOU can NOT resserect anymore.

All the teams try to do it just to be safe, and they will always do it. No one wants to be attacked while they are attacking your Guild Lord.

glockjs

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

20 Sep 2005 at 02:56 - 64
truth is...if things are that bad to the point your whole team has to rez and the enemy is right on top of you...i regret to inform you the game is over anyways

Sagius Truthbarron

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

20 Sep 2005 at 04:26 - 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakumei
k

let's spell it out for you then champ

you say the developers should (look at that word, should) be proud that people are finding exploits and raping them to all hell for personal benefit

and that the developers meant (another good one) to put these exploits in and make them possible

ok

go back to fanatically reading sirlin's teachings and sucking him off ok
What he was saying was, that when players come up with builds that weren't really intended for the game the developers should be proud that their game is that open ended.

Take the old Minnion Mass build, for example. That wasn't intended to be in the game. That wasn't an exploit, but they "nerfed" it becuase players were complaining about the number of minnions that could be produced.

He even stated, unmistakably that they had not intended to put such things in the game and that they didn't know that those things would be a possibility.

No offence, but what is your problem?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arathorn5000
This isn't to say that the developers won't sometimes "nerf" things that went unforseen and they consider to be too effective. I'm saying that unexpected, effective strategies aren't necessarily bad, and are probably generally good for the game.
Did you even read this part?

-z|o-

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2005

20 Sep 2005 at 22:12 - 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loquetus
lmao
sure people are going to get paid to play games....
dream on
You have no idea ...

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only people that'll get paiment for playing = testers
and even then.....
that would only be pre-alpha
Stop making things up plz.

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how many people will ever get paid for just playing a game?
Its not about the number, its about the opportunity. How many people play football, yet how many people get payed to do it?

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

N/

20 Sep 2005 at 23:04 - 67
Hehehe pro gamers.

They have uber micro.

:P

BunnyMaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Holland

Army of Fairies

R/N

21 Sep 2005 at 11:24 - 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loquetus
lmao
sure people are going to get paid to play games....
dream on
only people that'll get paiment for playing = testers
and even then.....
that would only be pre-alpha

how many people will ever get paid for just playing a game?
ofcourse you get the cyber games where the n°1's of the world can get a prize but i doubt alot of people will be n°1 ....
Sigh.
Alpha is the first stage. Pre-Alpha would be dev-stage, and devs get paid.
Lots of players get payed for playing as well.
What's a cyber-game?
i doubt alot of people will be n°1 .... Stop worrying. There can be only ONE n°1, the second n°1 is called n°2.
______________________________

What's this rant about fair play? Fair means -IMO- playing the game without any external hacks/scripts/etc. Fair play doesn't mean "Don't attack their monk! He's rezzing it's team and it's not fair to interrupt him with your Power Spike!"

Tallanka

Tallanka

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Knights of Immortal Blood (KoiB)

R/Mo

21 Sep 2005 at 14:10 - 69
So I am confused, is everyone saying that waiting for the team to respawn to kill them again is wrong, or rez camping them till they get down to -60dp? I ask this because I think not all rez camping is wrong, like someone said, if my guild only has 10 seconds to kill the other team's guild lord, then we are gonna wait for the other team to rez, and kill them again, before going for the lord.

Now, I have to agree, that camping like you said was wrong, but it if was exploiting the game, I think something would have been done about it along time ago. Just because we don't agree with something, doesn't make it an exploit.

*cough, cough, runnning to Drok's Forge, cough, cough