Upset about the new "IWAY" crap
calithratheheala
I think the new IWAY build is pure crap and unblances the game. I was just wondering if anybody knows if GW or Anet has any plans to nerf IWAY avenge you and when it will happen.
Lord Bentam
Just use one of the endless counters. Any decent team can smother IWAY.
calithratheheala
True. I just am tired of not being prepared (although by now i probably should be) for a group of warriors to come and slaughter me 
Sentao Nugra
wow, already another nerf iway thread when there are so many visible counters
Ristaron
IWAY should be nerfed just as much as a domination mesmer. Give me a break. Both have their weaknesses, though you may think they own (and believe me, I don't think IWAY owns) they really have easy weaknesses.
And don't "prepare" for a certain contingency, prepare for your team's strat. If your team does a good job you should have no problem. Ch**t, it's a team game...
And don't "prepare" for a certain contingency, prepare for your team's strat. If your team does a good job you should have no problem. Ch**t, it's a team game...
Dead Panda
I prefere to think of IWAYS as Unworthy's with brains.
From what I heard, few iway teams acually reach HoH...
From what I heard, few iway teams acually reach HoH...
KuTeBaka
and the ones that do cant do anything.
OverlordTyrael
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Originally Posted by calithratheheala
I think the new IWAY build is pure crap and unblances the game. I was just wondering if anybody knows if GW or Anet has any plans to nerf IWAY avenge you and when it will happen.
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Navaros
IWAY needs no nerfing at all
IWAY is not hard to beat
those who's teams have problems with IWAY, are the same players who would have trouble beating any decent team using any other build. they think a nerfing of IWAY would help them, but it wouldn't really.
IWAY is not hard to beat
those who's teams have problems with IWAY, are the same players who would have trouble beating any decent team using any other build. they think a nerfing of IWAY would help them, but it wouldn't really.
ManadartheHealer
-No matter what the build, ball up vs. IWAY
-Take out the necro (order necro first, then tainted)
-use AOE Damage spells, smite, etc.
-Aegis and Ward vs. Melee are your friends
-Strip enchants, put on the degen, and then get in a healing ball
Anyone who says IWAY needs to be nerfed....grrrrrr
-Take out the necro (order necro first, then tainted)
-use AOE Damage spells, smite, etc.
-Aegis and Ward vs. Melee are your friends
-Strip enchants, put on the degen, and then get in a healing ball
Anyone who says IWAY needs to be nerfed....grrrrrr
KuTeBaka
Ways to beat it:
-Aegis
-Guardian (annoying as hell)
-ward against foes / melee
-Greater conflagration (cancels out winnowing, orders and MAYBE predatory season)
-Kill necro, not pets
-Aoes
One of the tactics that people seem to use that doesnt work is balling up. You just have to run in, whack once and run away. Your pet will kill itself, although this tactic was killing my pug today, I was in the back shouting "GET BACKK!!!" and they all died except for the order spamming necro and me.
edit: dam too slow.
-Aegis
-Guardian (annoying as hell)
-ward against foes / melee
-Greater conflagration (cancels out winnowing, orders and MAYBE predatory season)
-Kill necro, not pets
-Aoes
One of the tactics that people seem to use that doesnt work is balling up. You just have to run in, whack once and run away. Your pet will kill itself, although this tactic was killing my pug today, I was in the back shouting "GET BACKK!!!" and they all died except for the order spamming necro and me.
edit: dam too slow.
skeeo
rofl nerf iway? its the worst noob build ever thought of. Any decent team will roll a IWAY build in about 1 min. I hate it when people call for the nerf bat on any build that seems to be popular.
Darkside Revenge
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Originally Posted by skeeo
I hate it when people call for the nerf bat on any build that seems to be popular.
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One and Two
IWAY is only a counter to noob smiters. And now noobs run IWAY. WTH did you need again?
Axle_Fieshe
Whenever something is hard people say Nerf it. I've been many IWAY builds, it isn't very hard.
Mumblyfish
IWAY is free Faction for any half-decent team. Stop crying.
Infecta
I think they should nerf all the skills that anyone uses to win any fights, that way the game will be more balanced.
Sagius Truthbarron
Join a team that knows how to play 
IWAY is the easiest to counter Flavours ever made.
Rey Lentless
IWAY probably shouldn't interact with pets, but it's certainly not game breaking.
There are decent iway builds out there, but they are few and far between.. and a lot of the newer players have adopted iway as their own.
There's a few things that can help you: Healing seeds, anti-melee skills, some sort of ranged interuption, some sort of corpse removal.. or adequate interuption to deny use of them, and some form of aoe.
You should notice by reading that list, that almost all builds have these anyway.. so really iway shouldn't be an issue for you. Without even thinking about it, any decent build will already have most to all of those things inherently.
Ball up, use aoe, interupt any aoe they have and profanes, use shadow of fear/aegis/traps/throw dirt, and try to use or deny corpses so you aren't suffered/putrid'd continually. The iway teams generally have very poor aoe if any, don't have martyr, and certainly don't have mass hex removal. Because they try to overload you w/ the warrs, they are weak in those several areas. By balling up, you're increasing your damage, making your seeds/wards/hexes more effective, and you're negating their regen.
The only decent iway builds are the ones that can force you out of that ball, but that's uncommon and still difficult for them to do.
If you find yourself losing to iway more than rarely, tweak your build to more strongly counter it.
There are decent iway builds out there, but they are few and far between.. and a lot of the newer players have adopted iway as their own.
There's a few things that can help you: Healing seeds, anti-melee skills, some sort of ranged interuption, some sort of corpse removal.. or adequate interuption to deny use of them, and some form of aoe.
You should notice by reading that list, that almost all builds have these anyway.. so really iway shouldn't be an issue for you. Without even thinking about it, any decent build will already have most to all of those things inherently.
Ball up, use aoe, interupt any aoe they have and profanes, use shadow of fear/aegis/traps/throw dirt, and try to use or deny corpses so you aren't suffered/putrid'd continually. The iway teams generally have very poor aoe if any, don't have martyr, and certainly don't have mass hex removal. Because they try to overload you w/ the warrs, they are weak in those several areas. By balling up, you're increasing your damage, making your seeds/wards/hexes more effective, and you're negating their regen.
The only decent iway builds are the ones that can force you out of that ball, but that's uncommon and still difficult for them to do.
If you find yourself losing to iway more than rarely, tweak your build to more strongly counter it.
Maagus
I personally play IWAY for fun. But what surprised me yesterday, one of the iway teams has been repeatedly called noobs by some high ranked group (mB I think) only because that iway defeated them.
When our guild plays various builds we are able to defeat iway. It is so easily counterable. Simple healing ball and/or wards, killing or shutdown of necro and that´s it.
When our guild plays various builds we are able to defeat iway. It is so easily counterable. Simple healing ball and/or wards, killing or shutdown of necro and that´s it.
cookiehoarder
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Originally Posted by calithratheheala
I think the new IWAY build is pure crap and unblances the game. I was just wondering if anybody knows if GW or Anet has any plans to nerf IWAY avenge you and when it will happen.
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Ollj
iway is the most ridiculous flawour of the month.
yes it completely imballances the game by being countable soo easily.
yes it completely imballances the game by being countable soo easily.
Calnaion Blackhawk
its not so much the build, well it is very shitty, and noob, but its that soo many people use it, 90% chance that your next match will be against iway
Alexandrite
what in the heck is IWAY?
mamluk
IWAY is great fun to run and play against. Think about it- we have a build that runs counter to many of the accepted tenets of team building. No monks! No problem! Plus you get to run around with a big ax raging face.
IWAY is not designed to hold the halls, although teams have done it with IWAY a few times, it is to kill quickly in order to farm faction and fame and have a fun time doing it. The fact that many of you are complaining about it shows how effective it is at that
It's a creative idea based on a skill that would be only marginally useful in most builds.
Stop complaining and start thinking about ways to fight it.
IWAY is not designed to hold the halls, although teams have done it with IWAY a few times, it is to kill quickly in order to farm faction and fame and have a fun time doing it. The fact that many of you are complaining about it shows how effective it is at that
It's a creative idea based on a skill that would be only marginally useful in most builds.
Stop complaining and start thinking about ways to fight it.
Ollj
IWAY = Warriors with low level pets and "I Will Avenge you". they let the pet die to get +33% more attack speed and 3 health regeneration for 10 seconds for each dead party member.
its just palanoobs following other palanoobs, once again.
The build sucks so much you can counter it with ANYTHING, even with skills inferior to I will avenge you. You can even counter them with a build full of mesmers, normally getting killed by warriors or rangers within seconds.
this is how BAD and STUPID this build realyl is!
actually its a mirror for most of the Guild Wars Comunity!
The build is propably based on healing monks that do not have aegis or guardian or Amity and based on too much AoE damage.
its just palanoobs following other palanoobs, once again.
The build sucks so much you can counter it with ANYTHING, even with skills inferior to I will avenge you. You can even counter them with a build full of mesmers, normally getting killed by warriors or rangers within seconds.
this is how BAD and STUPID this build realyl is!
actually its a mirror for most of the Guild Wars Comunity!
The build is propably based on healing monks that do not have aegis or guardian or Amity and based on too much AoE damage.
Kamatsu
IWAY = I Will Avenge You
Warrior skill which gives you increased atatck speed as well as health regeneration for every party member and/or ally which is dead. This includes pets, so a lot of R/W & W/R are sending in their pets.. pets die.. they then IWAY and get increased attack speed and health regen for a short burst...
Here's the skill description:
I Will Avenge You! - Shout
For each dead ally nearby, you gain 10 seconds of increased attack speed and health regeneration of +3-6.
Cost: 5 energy
Cast time: 0 seconds (it's a shout.. duh)
Recast Time: 45 seconds
So basically in say a 4x4 with 4 IWAY attackers.. thats 40 seconds of +25% (or is it +33%? I don't know) and +3-6 health regeneration per ally .. so in this 4x4 thats +12 regen (capped at +10 effective regen), reusable every 45 seconds.
Maagus - typical response from an "elitist" bunch who can't admit they got beat - just call the people who beat them "noobs" and generally insult and put them down. Don't worry about em.. typical ego-maniacs at work... I'd bet they would call just about anyone "noobs" if they got beat by a guild/group that wasn't well-known and/or well-respected. and yes.. lotta noobs are using it as it's the FOTM build.. *shrugs*
Warrior skill which gives you increased atatck speed as well as health regeneration for every party member and/or ally which is dead. This includes pets, so a lot of R/W & W/R are sending in their pets.. pets die.. they then IWAY and get increased attack speed and health regen for a short burst...
Here's the skill description:
I Will Avenge You! - Shout
For each dead ally nearby, you gain 10 seconds of increased attack speed and health regeneration of +3-6.
Cost: 5 energy
Cast time: 0 seconds (it's a shout.. duh)
Recast Time: 45 seconds
So basically in say a 4x4 with 4 IWAY attackers.. thats 40 seconds of +25% (or is it +33%? I don't know) and +3-6 health regeneration per ally .. so in this 4x4 thats +12 regen (capped at +10 effective regen), reusable every 45 seconds.
Maagus - typical response from an "elitist" bunch who can't admit they got beat - just call the people who beat them "noobs" and generally insult and put them down. Don't worry about em.. typical ego-maniacs at work... I'd bet they would call just about anyone "noobs" if they got beat by a guild/group that wasn't well-known and/or well-respected. and yes.. lotta noobs are using it as it's the FOTM build.. *shrugs*
Mandy Memory
IWAY was good when it came out...because it was new and surprising, now its old and no one even cares....because really....soothing images
78zrider
what really sucks is my guild came up with it and now we dont even use it...
since EVERYONE uses it now Lol
since EVERYONE uses it now Lol
Zeru
Well most teams really don't need to be afraid of general IWAY. Just bring a few anti-warrior stuff and ball up and gg. No matter what they run scrubs will still execute it poorly.
Our IWAY build steamrolls these teams who think they can just bring a couple anti-warrior stuff like 1 copy of soothing or ward v melee and ball up because they get locked at 0 energy in about 10 seconds. It still loses to a strong counter of heavy degen and many copies of anti-warrior hexes. Then again we have yet to see an IWAY team actually run it well, so we have no problem smashing those scrub IWAY stuff with a generic build with really no counters just cause it's so bad.
IWAY is hardly overpowered; just when you're facing a good IWAY build and a team that has high player skill/teamwork, you have to have some of that player skill and teamwork along with enough of the appropriate counters. Both using it and playing against it rely on heavy micromanagement, not getting too clumped but not spreading out too much either.
Our IWAY build steamrolls these teams who think they can just bring a couple anti-warrior stuff like 1 copy of soothing or ward v melee and ball up because they get locked at 0 energy in about 10 seconds. It still loses to a strong counter of heavy degen and many copies of anti-warrior hexes. Then again we have yet to see an IWAY team actually run it well, so we have no problem smashing those scrub IWAY stuff with a generic build with really no counters just cause it's so bad.
IWAY is hardly overpowered; just when you're facing a good IWAY build and a team that has high player skill/teamwork, you have to have some of that player skill and teamwork along with enough of the appropriate counters. Both using it and playing against it rely on heavy micromanagement, not getting too clumped but not spreading out too much either.
salja Wachi
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IWAY is free Faction for any half-decent team. Stop crying.
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LOL well said.
it is so easy to beat iway.
all you ahve to do is stay together lol. IWAY is only good if the get you seperated so their warriors can do damage. just stay in a group and smite them down.
so easy it is like a walk in the park.
IWAY was a decent build the first couple of days, people won a lot of matches with it, however to win HoH with it is nearly impossible due to their inability to heal the hero.
Raz Silverwing
I can beat any IWAY warrior easy everyone goes for the pets first all you have to do is kill the warrior and ignore the pet.
Sciros Darkblade
Good players can take IWAY about as far as it will go, and they are pretty hard to deal with, as ANY good players are. But those players would be hard to deal with regardless of their build, since they simply PLAY WELL ^^
IWAY won't be nerfed obviously, just like Ward vs Foes won't be even though it's a bother in Arena for my poor kd/as war ;_; since they're not overpowered skills at all. They're bothersome if well used, but that's true of any skill
IWAY won't be nerfed obviously, just like Ward vs Foes won't be even though it's a bother in Arena for my poor kd/as war ;_; since they're not overpowered skills at all. They're bothersome if well used, but that's true of any skill
Rey Lentless
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Originally Posted by 78zrider
what really sucks is my guild came up with it and now we dont even use it...
since EVERYONE uses it now Lol |
I look at it as 'noobish' for the following reason:
It's not a build that is designed to win/hold the hall. So you're basically saying.. I wasn't going to get there anyway, so I'm going to run this build that's easy to run that might let me beat teams with a 'gimmick' that they may have not planned for.
So it's more of a fame farming (and not particularly good at it either) build that you're running because you figure you can't win the hall anyway. That sounds noobish to me.
When it first came out, it was blowing people away and you could get to the hall with it, and win.. but those days are over really. You can still get there with a well setup iway team with good players, but there are still other builds far superior for holding it. So if you're a decent player with aspirations of winning/holding the hall.. it's really not a build you want to use.
Pandora's box
It should be nerfed, no doubt, just as the mesmer build should be nerfed as well! 
But wait... Than mabye the amazone's become too strong, I think bows should fire only halve the distance they do now
Err, I forgot about those nasty elementalists. Its rediculous and unatural to play with fire and ice like that. Not to mention poison. Yes, Ele's and necro's need nerfing too!
Than we are back to the good old days of teams with healing monks! You say? Healing too strong? Agreed! Heal only 5 lifepoints max in 10 seconds!
Aahhh by than its expansion time... No doubt those 2 new classes will be much too strong. Better start nerfing them right now!
Maybe its a good idea to slow down walking speed as well, so we can *finally* spend time on thinking out a good strategy whithout being rushed at once... No, better: Make it turn based! Yes, thats the solution! Turnbased fighting! Just cast the spells like they are playing cards, one after another, sounds like a great concept!
But wait... Than mabye the amazone's become too strong, I think bows should fire only halve the distance they do now
Err, I forgot about those nasty elementalists. Its rediculous and unatural to play with fire and ice like that. Not to mention poison. Yes, Ele's and necro's need nerfing too!
Than we are back to the good old days of teams with healing monks!
You say? Healing too strong? Agreed! Heal only 5 lifepoints max in 10 seconds!Aahhh by than its expansion time... No doubt those 2 new classes will be much too strong. Better start nerfing them right now!
Maybe its a good idea to slow down walking speed as well, so we can *finally* spend time on thinking out a good strategy whithout being rushed at once... No, better: Make it turn based! Yes, thats the solution! Turnbased fighting! Just cast the spells like they are playing cards, one after another, sounds like a great concept!
Navaros
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I look at it as 'noobish' for the following reason: It's not a build that is designed to win/hold the hall. So you're basically saying.. I wasn't going to get there anyway, so I'm going to run this build that's easy to run that might let me beat teams with a 'gimmick' that they may have not planned for. |
what's wrong with that? right now there is no point whatsoever to holding the Hall
might as well farm fame, because that has much more point to it than trying to hold the Hall does
see this thread for further info about why holding the Hall is pointless
and if you are not in a r6+ or Guild group anyhow, then chances of holding the Hall are next to none regardless of what build you use
at least IWAY kills newbies with a PUG whereas those other builds may not.
Schorny
IWAY is fun and even though its an easy build, it is not only for noobs.
People use the word noobs far too often.
If your team is good, you can hold the hall with an IWAY team. No problem here.
Like every Fotm, it starts to get boring. Most people don't bring counters. A heal ball won't work if that is your only counter.
and please stop saying noob to anything you don't like or bothers you.
People use the word noobs far too often.
If your team is good, you can hold the hall with an IWAY team. No problem here.
Like every Fotm, it starts to get boring. Most people don't bring counters. A heal ball won't work if that is your only counter.
and please stop saying noob to anything you don't like or bothers you.
Rey Lentless
Eh, I don't care if you didn't get good drops, that doesn't mean I'm going to run an IWAY with bad players who decided that's their best chance to get any fame at all.
You're still getting better fame holding the hall, than running an iway... that should be a no brainer.
You're still getting better fame holding the hall, than running an iway... that should be a no brainer.
cookiehoarder
How about stop complaining, ball up, interupt N/E or E/X and get free fame/faction?
Theus
N/Me using Feast of Corruption+Arcane Echo and Shadow of Fear/Suffering + A Elementalist of the good ol AoE = A bunch of Dead Wars.Also..make sure to send your wars(If you have em) after the N/Mo or Mo/N's.
It does one hell of a job destroying IWAY.
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But come on..these are warriors..from my layin of a W/Mo for over 350 hours I have seen so many skills complete screw us over.
It does one hell of a job destroying IWAY.
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But come on..these are warriors..from my layin of a W/Mo for over 350 hours I have seen so many skills complete screw us over.