Upset about the new "IWAY" crap - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

cookiehoarder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Melbourne, Florida.

[HTR]

21 Sep 2005 at 20:37 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by 78zrider

what really sucks is my guild came up with it and now we dont even use it...

since EVERYONE uses it now Lol

Yeah we fought you guys in halls when you first came up with it. iQ was running it as well.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

21 Sep 2005 at 20:39 - 42

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Originally Posted by Rey Lentless

Eh, I don't care if you didn't get good drops, that doesn't mean I'm going to run an IWAY with bad players who decided that's their best chance to get any fame at all.

You're still getting better fame holding the hall, than running an iway... that should be a no brainer.

as to your "getting better fame holding the Hall" comment... not really. maybe after you hold it 10 times in a row, it might start getting better. but for the most part getting fame for holding Hall is no different than getting fame from any other map.

i've won in HoH many times. i started using IWAY simply because short of having a Guild with lots of great players online, it's the fastest way to get into a party that will probably be marginally successful. sure i could wait for good players to assemble, which often takes upwards of an hour. or sometimes two. then all us good players could do one run, maybe even win HoH and earn a "whopping" 6 or 8 fame for that. it's a huge time investment, with very little tangible return on that investment.

or, i could join any random IWAY party in 2 minutes flat and end up getting the same amount of fame within 20 minutes.

cookiehoarder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Melbourne, Florida.

[HTR]

21 Sep 2005 at 20:43 - 43

Actually...Holding halls is more fame...If you go through 75% of the maps and get to halls it's better, but if you skip from Uw->Vault/Halls then...Of course you won't get good fame. Yet, you can't get 40 fame from 1 normal win.

Mirra The Restorer

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

[NP]NoobPolice

Mo/Me

21 Sep 2005 at 21:32 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by mamluk

Stop complaining and start thinking about ways to fight it.

please do...ill play an iway warrior every now and then cause its fun but the new fotm is basically an iway counter so you'll be complaining about that in a few weeks.

Itok

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

21 Sep 2005 at 21:44 - 45

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Originally Posted by calithratheheala

True. I just am tired of not being prepared (although by now i probably should be) for a group of warriors to come and slaughter me

OMFG! This, sadly, is the dregs of lazy RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs who ahve brought the state of MMOs to where they are. FFS, follow the advise of one of the many who have reposnded politely above or go fukkin read your skills and owrk the shit yourself.

Rather, please pick up your computer and throw it out the nearest window. Your kind isn't ready to mingle with the rest of us who, when faced with something we don't like, will take some type of self fufilling action to deal wiht the issue ourself.

kthxplzdrvthru

chudak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

IFL

R/Me

22 Sep 2005 at 01:39 - 46

IWAY is not a great build that unbalances the game, it is just an solid build that is easy to run. You only need 2 clases to do so (W/R and Necros) and with 6 wars its very hard to lose just because one of them made a mistake so it's noob-friendly.

There are good and bad teams/players running it but that is true with every build.

Fact is IWAY is definitly NOT better then dual smite / ranger spike and other atm dominant builds but its just a very easy build to play and it way very good when it came up because noone was ready for it.

Same is with smite.

Same will be with ranger spikers probably.

Soon people will find a way to neutralize them and make a counter-build.
The one that will not be able to will cry for a nerf.

Shinomori

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Insane Midget Posse [IMp]

Me/E

22 Sep 2005 at 01:46 - 47

I think, personally, that you people just like to swing the nerf bat around.

Next thing you know, you people will complain about Ether feast because it drains energy AND heals!

/end sarcasm

But seriously, I haven't ever had problems with IWAY teams. Especially since I take my own kind of group into arenas. 8-man ranger teams w/ pets. Fun.

Diablo Paladin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Golden Eagles

W/Mo

22 Sep 2005 at 01:49 - 48

IWAY isn't designed to hold the altar. Its designed to farm fame from the first few maps - Underworld, Burial Mounds and maybe further.

Legendary Battousai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA

[Ryuk]

W/A

22 Sep 2005 at 03:35 - 49

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=62595

lets nerf flare, it owns.

Axle_Fieshe

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/W

22 Sep 2005 at 04:05 - 50

IWAY is just a fun build. I know i don't get too far with it (furthest is probly Unholy Temples), but I love seeing 6-7 Warriors bashing the crap out of an enemy, so funny :P

Lag Hell

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 04:08 - 51

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Originally Posted by calithratheheala

I think the new IWAY build is pure crap and unblances the game. I was just wondering if anybody knows if GW or Anet has any plans to nerf IWAY avenge you and when it will happen.

Now...u cant just nerf all ur problems...if u get pwn3d by another team and come around to these forums and yell NERF!!! NERF!!! NERF!!!! thered be nothing to play in several months

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

22 Sep 2005 at 04:17 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lag Hell

Now...u cant just nerf all ur problems...if u get pwn3d by another team and come around to these forums and yell NERF!!! NERF!!! NERF!!!! thered be nothing to play in several months

that's not true. the reason you have seen the shift to other builds is b/c 1-2 builds dominated hoh and gvg. now we are seeing an increase in different builds b/c of the changes.

if you make a change you change something else w/o knowing it. anet cannot predict how changes will really affect the game till players get ahold of it.

by that time it catches like wildfire and is everywhere with in days. changes are good b/c they make you think up new strategies to keep the game fresh.

Rey Lentless

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 04:51 - 53

This isn't one of those things that needs to be nerfed though. It may be common and rampant, but it's not overpowered.

78zrider

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 12:35 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey Lentless

Which guild is that?

I look at it as 'noobish' for the following reason:

It's not a build that is designed to win/hold the hall. So you're basically saying.. I wasn't going to get there anyway, so I'm going to run this build that's easy to run that might let me beat teams with a 'gimmick' that they may have not planned for.

So it's more of a fame farming (and not particularly good at it either) build that you're running because you figure you can't win the hall anyway. That sounds noobish to me.

When it first came out, it was blowing people away and you could get to the hall with it, and win.. but those days are over really. You can still get there with a well setup iway team with good players, but there are still other builds far superior for holding it. So if you're a decent player with aspirations of winning/holding the hall.. it's really not a build you want to use.

UDA made the build with 2 heal monks , 1 necro and rest was w/r. we went to halls won 3 times then got beaten. next day everyone did iway. we used healers + necro tho because necro isnt always dependable since once he's down there goes the healing . most people use 1 necro and rest W/R for the DPS

Schorny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 14:58 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diablo Paladin

IWAY isn't designed to hold the altar. Its designed to farm fame from the first few maps - Underworld, Burial Mounds and maybe further.

Have you played against Microsoft Excel's Team yet?

They hold the hall a few times a day and running an awesome IWAY build. Sure, you can't hold the hall as long as you could with spirit spam, but his team gets 5-6 wins in the hall nearly every run.

Just because IWAY is easy to play doesn't mean that is a 'noobish' build. You can win HoH and you can hold the hall with it. It's just different than you would be with for example a ranger spike...

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 15:10 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schorny

Have you played against Microsoft Excel's Team yet?

They hold the hall a few times a day and running an awesome IWAY build. Sure, you can't hold the hall as long as you could with spirit spam, but his team gets 5-6 wins in the hall nearly every run.

Just because IWAY is easy to play doesn't mean that is a 'noobish' build. You can win HoH and you can hold the hall with it. It's just different than you would be with for example a ranger spike...

it's a "noobish" build because it requires no skill. You run in and hack and slash the other team until three or more of your allies die and then you slam IWAY and hack and slash some more.

Elena

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Belgium

22 Sep 2005 at 15:36 - 57

all this requires is 1 N/Me heck even the pre build one can stop em shadow of fear ftw!

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 15:39 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elena

all this requires is 1 N/Me heck even the pre build one can stop em shadow of fear ftw!

coupling shadow of fear with Spiteful Spirit is a nice way to take out IWAY teams with the quickness.

Hanuman li Tosh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

garden of the gods, CO

Over Powered

N/

22 Sep 2005 at 16:15 - 59

lol good old iway. my usual gang in tombs rips thru iway quite easilly. the other day tho my group was already sleeping and one of my other friends invited me into an iway group. we couldnt take the hall with it, but that was about it. i was expecting to get owned since we owned so many iway teams already, but this was not the case. we farmed plenty of fame with it, just couldnt beat the fabulous 8 in HoH.

Rey Lentless

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 16:21 - 60

Quote:

UDA made the build with 2 heal monks , 1 necro and rest was w/r. we went to halls won 3 times then got beaten. next day everyone did iway. we used healers + necro tho because necro isnt always dependable since once he's down there goes the healing . most people use 1 necro and rest W/R for the DPS

If you guys saw it the next day, then I think you copied. The transformers were running it for a few days before they saw it copied (except for IQ who got beat by it a few times.. then started using it later in the day).

But it's nothing real complicated, it was probably 'invented' by a few different guilds.

Dzan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Black Dye Cartel

22 Sep 2005 at 17:28 - 61

Read my post in the Ranger thread about cry babies who complain about every FotW. Anyone who is complaining about this build being unbalanced is a cry baby with no play skill.

Zeru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

22 Sep 2005 at 18:06 - 62

TFA had their own version that got stolen so they pretty much stopped using it.

iQ's version is quite different from anyone else's we've seen and pretty much steamrolls any team who doesn't have a lot of anti-iway counters. It's fun just smashing face on all 8 maps up to the hall but holding the hall more than once is generally impractical especially when it's 16v8 holding or not so we don't use it much.

UltimaXtreme

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

23 Sep 2005 at 06:42 - 63

i think you just suck

CyBeR-DeViL

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Netherlands ftw

TasH

W/

23 Sep 2005 at 06:54 - 64

every body is thinking of W/R in a IWAy build buth R/W is mutch better

i played in a build like this

R/W 4
N/R 2
Mo/E 1
W/R 1

i played the monk with wards and i mostly heal the nicrmancers while the rangers and warior kill the rest fast. as 1 die the dmg goes op realy fast. most ppl take anti warrior skills to counter buth not for rangers

Bingley Joe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Philosophers of Denravi

23 Sep 2005 at 07:48 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by mamluk

Stop complaining and start thinking about ways to fight it.

You know the part on the box everyone always quotes that says "Victory earned with skill, blah blah blah"?

What mamluk said should come next.

Schorny

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 Sep 2005 at 11:56 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by User Name

it's a "noobish" build because it requires no skill. You run in and hack and slash the other team until three or more of your allies die and then you slam IWAY and hack and slash some more.

Like smite? It requires no skill...
Spike damage? Mhm, you need to press the buttons at the same time - not much skill involved...

Most tactics are basically very easy - but you need skill to be better than the others. Most iway teams are bad and I really can't understand why people get defeat by it most of the times. But a good iway team is very hard to beat.

Ollj

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

23 Sep 2005 at 13:38 - 67

a good team simply knows better than using IWAY.

Hanuman li Tosh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

garden of the gods, CO

Over Powered

N/

23 Sep 2005 at 13:51 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ollj

a good team simply knows better than using IWAY.

ahh. all the top 100 teams i saw using it in tombs was just a glitch in the matrix. my bad.

Kampfkeks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

23 Sep 2005 at 14:07 - 69

It is allways interesting to read on these boards. This is probably the only board where the argument that something can be "countered easily" is marked as "noobish, moronic and idiocy". Yes, i know... i've just quoted the more polite words.
Which comes down to a simple "It is overpowered when i and my guild of trolls says it is overpowered.".

So to stay on topic:
Oops, with that boardwide present argument there is no such thing as a topic about skill discussions.

All sarcasm put aside, and simply ignoring the "counter doesn't count!" trolls. I don't see what is so unbalanced about iway. This sadly is the same type of whine we've seen with every flavor of the month. To add a bit more fun into the allready boiling soup of hate... it is really fun to see IWAY go moo with pets. As both have been stated as being totally noob and useless by the majority of the Guildwars Community. Now there is a build that suddenly uses these both things to a successful degree.
Could the whining be based upon the fact that people can no longer bash others for bringing these things?
Just like stealing icecream from a kid... this build has taken away the clearance to bash others from those elitists.

ghostly Priestess

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

23 Sep 2005 at 15:09 - 70

next thing you know we will see "nerf teh necromancer" because 8 of them using an edge bomb can wipe 2 teams off the map in 2 seconds.

sly_1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

23 Sep 2005 at 16:49 - 71

The funny thing about iway is that people assume it's some great build. The main point people seem to miss is that it's really just the fact that you have 8 warriors, iway or no.

If you just ran an 8 war build with w/e's, w/n's, w/r's, w/mes and war/mo's, you would do just as good as an iway group with 6-7 pets. After all, most will simply ignore the pets anyway now that the word is out about iway...

Oh, and iway doesn't even come close to needing a nerf.

Rey Lentless

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

23 Sep 2005 at 17:17 - 72

Quote:

TFA had their own version that got stolen so they pretty much stopped using it.

iQ's version is quite different from anyone else's we've seen and pretty much steamrolls any team who doesn't have a lot of anti-iway counters. It's fun just smashing face on all 8 maps up to the hall but holding the hall more than once is generally impractical especially when it's 16v8 holding or not so we don't use it much.

'Stolen'.. yah. Using a build in the tombs and talking constant crap while you're playing isn't a good way to 'hide' a build. Duh.

Yah, I saw a few comments about fear me and stuff, but unfortunately haven't ran into them in the tombs using that build. I was hoping to too, it sounded interesting... wanted to see if our ball would hold up to it or not.