griffon farming .. no good?

Rufio Lostboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

N/Mo

hi
i farm griffons outside augury rock, and used to get decent weapons (1 gold and 2 purple / run) but lately the loot is realy bad, last time i did 5 runs and no golds/purple at all. plus the place is stuffed with devourers.
anyone else having this problem or did i just have a bad day?

Permasiel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Frozen Flame [ICE]

E/Mo

I did not notice drops being particularly worse than usual, but I did get the impression that the place was recently crawling with devourers, more than usual that is. Perhaps others noticed the same?

dready

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/E

i have done a few runs there myself and i have sen a few more devourers bot not loads of them. for me if the pop up i just keep running till the get bored and leave me alone to kill all the griffins.

the drops are nerfed a bit tho not so many gold anymore

elite elemtist

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Prodigial Sons

E/Me

its random, i thought that, then the next run got 2 goulds and a purple. i think its just bad luck.

Alexandria Kotov

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Shinjitsu Clan (Shin)

I make extensive studies of my farming practices to assure maximum output... so I can spend as little time as possible farming, allowing more time to helping guildies out and such. Here are my observations on your griffons:

Over the past 30 days, rockshot devourers have increased and decreased per patch, and now stand at about 185% as many as there were when I started, per farming run.

The drops are still just as good, assuming you don't get Drop Fatigue. Look into that. If you don't know what that is, switch to running as your source of revenue.

XioleD

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

Belgium

European Assasins

W/Mo

i didnt noticed it, because i just kill everything in my way
they're all high level, they all drop good loot.

Rufio Lostboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

N/Mo

i'll give it some more tries tonight ..
killing everything is an option but it's kinda tricky to finish off 2 devourers while 8 griffons are humping your back

Juballa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

I've noticed an increase in devourers lately, but I haven't been farming very long, so I'm not sure about any change in drops.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandria Kotov
The drops are still just as good, assuming you don't get Drop Fatigue. Look into that. If you don't know what that is, switch to running as your source of revenue. OK, I'll be the noob and ask:

Drop fatigue?

Searching this site yields only this thread and one other, which didn't seem to have anything to do with what you're talking about.

Googling for "guild wars" "drop fatigue" got no matches.

I assume that it means going back to the well too often? If so, then that means your best drops should be on your first farming run in any given spot - I know that isn't the case. I've gotten golds/purples on second or later farming runs, after getting only mino horns and griff wings on the first run.

So, what are you talking about?

kawaii_bat

kawaii_bat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada, Gatineau

None

Mo/R

When they updated they also toned down drops and stuff for the most popular farming spots like the griffons and minotaurs.

So it's hardly suprising there are more devourers and less loot.

Ransack the Elder

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

Controlled Chaos

W/Mo

i farm this spot often, and here of late i haven't been getting the good drops like i use to when i first started farming this spot. i was getting purples and golds on a regular basis, but now it seems all i get are wings, horns and generic weapon drops.....gold and purple items are becoming more rare

Rufio Lostboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

N/Mo

just had 2 gold drops in one run now
guess it's all very random

devourers are still a drag though
by the time you've outrun them, the griffons took half my hp

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Say the same thing I've said since I started, I haven't noticed a change. It just takes longer naturally due to recent tweaking of skills.

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

People still farm griffons?

Alexandria Kotov

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Shinjitsu Clan (Shin)

Drop Fatigue. Let's assume you live in a bad area. You go out one night, and you get mugged. You go out the next night, and get mugged again. You're pretty stupid, so you go out again, and get mugged. Soon you're pretty tired of getting mugged, but you still have to go out. So you stop taking things with you.

If you enter the same area more than a few times in a row from the same entrance, kill the same creatures, accomplish no quests, get no new waypoints, and don't do something the game can recognize as normal gameplay... then your drops decrease drastically. This won't just be for that area, but in the game in general. Gradually this repairs itself, and seems to reset after about half an hour, though it changes violently from patch to patch. 20 minutes-ish now? So if you material farm or something, once you notice the drop fatigue taking place (Not one bad run, but several in a row... eventually things drop 1/20 kills. And that's only one of ANYTHING. Like... ONE griffon wing for 20 kills.) go sell what you've farmed for awhile, or *gasp* beat a mission or something.

Or be really pathetic, like me, and have 2 farming characters, cycled.

Thock

Thock

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Achieving Deficiency [aD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
People still farm griffons? Yes i still farm griffions and here is why. Each run i get a ton of white and blue items, money bags, keys, scrolls, dyes (2 blacks and tens of silvers so far), collectors items, and the ocassional gold or purple. Between selling most of that crap to the merchent, I get somewhere around 1.5k a run, BEFORE selling any mods, dyes, or rare materials from salvaging highly salvagable items. The average run takes about 10 minutes (a generous estimate, usually less). Thats 9k an hour on average, not bad if you ask me. Plus with all the xp I have unlocked every monk and war skill, and I still have 40+ skill points. And while most of the gold drops are crap as far as requirments go, I've still unlocked alot of max weapon mods. Plenty enough for me.

Sure i could do drok/desert runs, but i wouldnt get any xp or unlocks. I could farm tengu, or something else that drops runes, but there are only 6 runes that are really profitable (4 monk runes + sup absorp and vigor), and the runs have alot fewer item drops. Other farming spots I have some problems with consistantley being able to finish. With griffions, (barring those annoying rockshots) I always succed. If i get farming fatigue I just switch to my Ranger for some trap groups or, (heaven forbid) actually play the game(<[email protected]!!1)

And now for a skill suggestion:

RAID?!?! - Shout - All insects in the zone die instantly, very very painfully.

Nawn Centz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Tombs of Primeval Kings.

W/

I farm griffons all the time and everytime. I can't farm anything else. I still maintain 100k+ on me and I have had over 5 sets of 15k armor and I have great weps. for my chars. I don't see what's wrong with em. I still do, and always will unless they.. nerf it completely. I noticed one night that I did about 5 runs and only got 1 purple, I came on the next day and got like a gold or more per run out of about 6 runs. I didn't wanna pwn the loot drops, lol. I guess it's just when GW wants you to have shit on one day, and when they don't on another day.

AnuvielIronfist

AnuvielIronfist

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Western Australia

Knights of Numenor

R/Mo

I'd say drops have been nerfed everywhere. Shortly after the update I bought about 30 shiverpeak keys, and kept entering and exiting until the chest spawning point closest to the entrance had a chest. I'd run down ther, grab the loot and just keep repeating until it was up. I'd say I got about 22/30 golds doing this, some were good but some sucked. I got a few good upgrades (+29 fortitude, 3:1 axe haft etc..). It worked for a while, and then the next day I bought 10 keys... i got... hmm... 1/10 golds. Drops are completely nerfed these days. The only gold drops I have ever had in gw apart from chests is once in the desert and once in FoW!

Alone)

Alone)

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Campbell, California

Legio Imortalii

W/Mo

Um. Patience. And stop farming there over and over. Don't depend on one place. Be creative.

The Red Griffin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mi

Lands of Fantasy

W/E

Actually, I've been noticing 2 rookshots popping out every 3/4 length of your radar (that circle thing that shows where you are in relation to the monsters on the map). Not to mention the ones that just randomly roam around. It does get annoying, but as long as I don't get near enough to set off traps, I just kill of everything aroudn me first, then lure them away from their precious traps. Easy kills, just a little time consumeing is all.

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

lol when i go grifon farming i run around gathering all enmeis in the area like 40 of them then i kill them all and always get gold drops (13 health) lol so i ain;t complaining

Bilderberg

Bilderberg

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Atlanta, GA USA

The Bilderbergs

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
lol when i go grifon farming i run around gathering all enmeis in the area like 40 of them then i kill them all and always get gold drops (13 health) lol so i ain;t complaining Same here, but don't always get Gold drops. They used to drop more often but I wouldn't call it nerfed either. One thing I did notice was not so much the # of Gold / Purple drops but the fact that it alwasy used to drop Max DMG Gold/Purp items and now I would asy 1/2 - 3/4 are max and others are 1-2 points off. This is annoying since I could go sell Max Gold and Purp damage items for 1-5K depending on Attributes as well.

I still however get more out of the Griffons in the desert than the Troll cAves in Droks or other areas.

Rufio Lostboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
lol when i go grifon farming i run around gathering all enmeis in the area like 40 of them then i kill them all and always get gold drops (13 health) lol so i ain;t complaining how the hell do you survive 40 enemies? i can take +/- 10 griffons at once

dready

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/E

i can tank about 40 griffens and 30 mino's all at the same time with just 8 health but takes a while to round them all up.
as for gold drops i still get tehm but not as often as they used to but wth

Rufio Lostboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

N/Mo

guess you're farming with a smiting monk?

Sister Rosette

Sister Rosette

Lady Fie

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sapporo

Tha Skulls [Ts]

D/W

Tried it again the other day for shits and giggles.

They must have seriously upped the spawn rate of Rockies
out there. I ran into upwards of 30 each run.

c1team

c1team

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Homelands

Best item I ever found was farming griffons. Sold it for 200k!

jdwoody

jdwoody

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Austin

I haven't farmed much lately (though my monk did finish all the titan missions!) but from a small sample it looked to me that between the SF release and the last update the drops were very good. It was rare that I didn't get 1-2 golds every griffon run. Since the last update in about 4-5 runs I was lucky to see a purple in a run, and no golds at all. (and there were twice as many rockshots)

Savior Of Faith

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Winters Sorrow

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by dready
i can tank about 40 griffens and 30 mino's all at the same time with just 8 health but takes a while to round them all up.
as for gold drops i still get tehm but not as often as they used to but wth oh goodie, another person with no imagination who copied Bonez build of 8 life and echo healing hands. bravo, its people like you who get builds nerfed. Thats why i dont go posting my farming builds because retards like you will copy it, without giving credit, and bring the nerf bat down on us all.

konohamaru heaven

konohamaru heaven

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Some where in Cantha beyond the Petrified Forest and the Jade Sea

The Amazon Basin

I farm the same griffins and been getting the same ammount of loot. Yes, there seems to be a few more Devourer types out there but they arent that much worse.

~Konohamaru

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

assuming you're farming with a standard low-health/prot spirit monk, just bring shield of judgment

the devourers always kill themselves when i use that, while i'm focusing on killing the griffons and minotaurs beating on me

Alone)

Alone)

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Campbell, California

Legio Imortalii

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Tried it again the other day for shits and giggles.

They must have seriously upped the spawn rate of Rockies
out there. I ran into upwards of 30 each run.
Really don't know why people exaggerrate a lot. But max spawns of the devourers are around 10. And there isn't 40 griffons, or 30 minotaurs.

super dooper

super dooper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

W/

i bet if you counted them all you could find more than 30 minotaurs, (in the entirety of the zone), but i also bet you couldn't get them all to follow you. :P

as Alone) said though.. unless your game is magical or possessed, you probably won't see more than 10 rockshots in one run (depending on where you're moving around).

savior: low health 'invinci-monkfarminguberness' build is so played out and talked about everywhere, don't you think it would've been completely and utterly nerfed by now?

it's all luck, damnit.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Main difference I've noticed is that it doesn't work to use sprint to separate the griffons (which never give up the chase) from the rockshots (which quickly do) anymore. That hardly counts as a nerf.

Rufio: many builds, e.g. mine, actually has an EASIER time the more enemies there are attacking them. The only time I can get in trouble is when there's only one or two enemies left, as cyclone axe then doesn't recharge bonettis in one blow.
I also have zero problems with rockshots, or with drops. I do have problems selling anything I find during griffon runs, though. The green items & chest drops have pretty much killed the desert farming business.

Rancour

Rancour

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Camp Rancor (Rancour :D)

I'm a free spirit (that's not what the guild is called, I just am)

W/R

I just started doing this and by golly, this is one of the best things that ever happened to me in this game.

I get atleast 5 purples each time (not good, but some offer som upgrades), a couple of blues and alot of whites, plus some cash.

I have yet to find any gold items and I can't take on more than 7 enemies at once (my farmer wasn't built for this from the start), but the money I spent on monk skills for my warrior certainly pay off now.

Suuk

Suuk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

the Netherlands

Lovers of Whisky and Women (LWW)

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufio Lostboy
guess you're farming with a smiting monk? For quick results yes, but I do it with my W/E as well, because I need skill points badly (to test several builds in PvP - yes I am such an idiot with 4 PvE chars and not willing to delete any of them....). It is much slower, but fun though.

kvndoom

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

Hmmm, maybe go out the OTHER Augury exit and stroll to Destinty's Gorge, fighting Hydras and Centaurs. Or farm Sand Drakes between Elona and the Gorge. Or the giants and devourers before the cutscene in Thirsty River. I've spent most of the last 4 days doing those 2 runs, and I've done very well. A few keys, several golds (nothing worth auctioning, but hey 300-400 gold at the merchant works too), 3 bleached shells so far, and a couple golds worth keeping. All told, around 60 plat by the time I cashed in. Enough to buy a 3/1 vamp sword hilt and a 3/1 axe haft. And that doesn't include the dyes. Got 2 blacks yesterday from Hydras, and a bunch of other colors.

Equal rights for all! Kill the stupid devourers too! They generally drop carapaces which are worth 25 gold and stack, or about 80-100 gold, or items. Yeah they're not "fast kills," and take a littel time to wax, but you never know WHICH monster is going to be the one to drop that good item. The only enemies I leave alone are Jade Scarabs. I can barely kill ONE as a W/Mo, much less a pack of 5 or 6.

My thing is, I don't know what some people consider a "good" day's farming. If I can put in a few hours and profit 10k, after the ID kit and salvage kit overhead, I'm happy. Maybe my standards are low. I sometimes wonder if people realistically expect to make 50k a day every day and cry "nerf" when they can't / don't.

Nerf: most enemies either drop nothing at all (gold or otherwise), or totally worthless stuff. See Kryta drake runs. Kill a dozen and you're LUCKY if you even get one blue item. "Lightning Drake drops 2 scales."

Not nerfed: nearly every enemy drops something of value (value being a relative term) or gold.

Adjusted: every monster higher than level 20 doesn't automatically drop golds and purples and dyes just because it's over level 20. That might have been the case before (I remember those days myself), but it was getting abused.

An adjustment is NOT a nerf. If the griffons were nerfed, 70-80% of them would drop nothing at all, and the 20+% who did, would drop either wings or small piles of common crafting materials.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by kvndoom
Nerf: most enemies either drop nothing at all (gold or otherwise), or totally worthless stuff. See Kryta drake runs. Kill a dozen and you're LUCKY if you even get one blue item. "Lightning Drake drops 2 scales." Gates of Kryta hasn't been nerfed. I still do it from time to time, when I feel the game is tiring of me farming other places. Considering that there's less than 20 drakes total, and you're pretty much guaranteed at least purple and often gold items, they're not bad. However, to me the real value of Gates of Kryta is farming the undead (go left when you come to the bridge, and you'll find about 50 undead). I always get runes and sometimes decent upgrades from the undead.

kvndoom

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

Heh, when I do Kryta, I usually ONLY do the undead. 200 bones and 40 Emblems per run adds up, and it ain't bad for 20 minutes worth of work. I only go to the Drakes periodically (once every few weeks) to see if anything has changed. I've gotten a couple purples, neither worth mentioning, and no golds whatsoever, in the last several times. And I don't over-farm the drakes at all. If anything, I overfarm the undead, but they're just so much fun to smite. The part at the end where about 30 ghouls and hellhounds pop out of the ground all at once, just begging for Balthazaar's Aura... yeah, I love it.

Barkroot Bonecrunch

Barkroot Bonecrunch

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

R/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufio Lostboy
how the hell do you survive 40 enemies? i can take +/- 10 griffons at once Cyclone Axe + Apply Poison might work

Rancour

Rancour

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Camp Rancor (Rancour :D)

I'm a free spirit (that's not what the guild is called, I just am)

W/R

To use Cyclone Axe and Apply Poison you'd have to be W/R or R/W. Can you really solo farm without being either secondary or primary monk?