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Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

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It's posts like this that I completely do not understand...it is HOW you play the game, and not what content is IN the game.

Have you tried to solo the entire game - WITHOUT henchmen and WITHOUT buying the best armor/weapons in the game from the get go? Or are you joining incredibly powerful groups or getting run through each mission?

I find the absolute frustration on NOT being able to complete something on my own adds much more enjoyment to the game on the PvE side.

Then you go the PvP side - if you're joining random groups, then you probably will get your PvP fill pretty quickly. But if you join the SAME group with the SAME bunch of people (especially if you're in a guild), you learn teamwork and cooperation that deepens over time. That's an absolute blast, and you actually wind up making some imaginary friends in the process.

I suggest that ANYONE that has hit the wall should attempt to play the game with these thoughts in mind. The game is a wonderful platform to have months and months of fun. But you have to play it, IMO, with these ideas in mind to get every ounce of enjoyment you can from it.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

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Originally Posted by cunninghambone
Granted you don't get that great the human interaction (although I played through most of the game with Henchman). I just left feeling unfulfilled, and wishing that I had spent my time playing WoW instead.
It sounds to me like you have problems making friends and you will probably have issues no matter what game you decide to play. I have 813 hours logged and I still have fun playing Guild Wars, it's the relationships with other people that keep the game alive long after you've completed the game content. Guild Wars has a good community, and a lot if it is right here in GWG. Just imagine how lonely you will be in WOW without your henches to keep you company.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

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Originally Posted by User Name
this thread is like fanboyism at it's best. Apparently this guy doesn't have the right to post a review of the game because he didn't like it. Only positive things can be heard here.

This game is 100% absolutely the greatest game ever designed. It lacks nothing and comes complete with the worlds greatest story line, immersive PvE environments and the worlds greatest attempt at PvP.....
by all means point out the person that said he doesn't have a right to make a thread about this

because i sure as hell didn't see it

he has a right to say what he wants, and we have a right to jump on him about it for being a rampant moron

"omg this game isn't as good as wow i wasted my money"

christ i hate it when people compare this game to wow

they aren't even the same genre, they're not similar whatsoever, they promise and provide two completely different gaming experiences

it's like comparing doom to command & conquer

just doesn't work

Shinsei

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Denmark

christ i hate it when people make a new paragraph for each sentence

especially when they don't even include capitals or punctuation

and worse is when they don't even provide the thread with something constructive

but rather just a terribly constructed flame with no point

just doesn't work

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

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Originally Posted by Shinsei
christ i hate it when people make a new paragraph for each sentence

especially when they don't even include capitals or punctuation

and worse is when they don't even provide the thread with something constructive

but rather just a terribly constructed flame with no point

just doesn't work
congrats you can read

would you like a medal

i have them in gold and shut the hell up

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

If you hate the game.... do the following

1. Find a sledgehammer
2. Get a coffee grinder or blander
3. Smash the game discs to piece
4. Put the case with the cd-key inside the blander or coffee grinder. and turn it on for about. 2 minutes (or you could flag down a big rig and have the driver ran over your guild war cd case)
5. Get the broken cd and the dust; get a bag and put it in!
6. Drive to the nearest dumbsite or maybe the nearest beach (and drop off the bag)

Done.. no more guild wars

I do agree with you that Guild Wars is not interesting to play since people tend to stick with either PvE or PvP and that there character always got nerfed so people feel the need to either start a new character or change the build which take time and is a long process. Also why are people so angry with gold weapons being drop down a status (used to be the superior weapons that everyone want to get) Please conside this before you post that gold items don't worth anything.. go to the nearest town (TofA or Lion Arch) and see how many people selling gold items (like Gold Chaos Axe) for 100k or more. Heck gold stuffs still sell more than green items.

I respect your opinion but your post don't do much but to get people to flame on you. I'm not flaming you but seriously, take a look at the gold items per golds status, its worth more than green items and people can easily get green weapons by going to SF and killed the bosses.

Good luck and hope you find a game that would keep your interest for a long time!

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

I just compared this guys post to the post that he made back in September.

From His Current Post:
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Originally Posted by cunninghambone
Granted you don't get that great the human interaction (although I played through most of the game with Henchman). I just left feeling unfulfilled, and wishing that I had spent my time playing WoW instead.

From His Previous September Post:
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Originally Posted by cunninghambone
A game like this is fun, mostly due to the community. The other day I gave away 60k to low level characters on their first time through the game. Don't feel like you're a noob just because you have questions, everyone posting on this forum had questions at some point and we asked. Enjoy!

This dude can't make a decision! Is the game no fun because its lacking human interaction, or is it fun because of the community? FTW

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakumei
by all means point out the person that said he doesn't have a right to make a thread about this

because i sure as hell didn't see it

he has a right to say what he wants, and we have a right to jump on him about it for being a rampant moron

"omg this game isn't as good as wow i wasted my money"

christ i hate it when people compare this game to wow

they aren't even the same genre, they're not similar whatsoever, they promise and provide two completely different gaming experiences

it's like comparing doom to command & conquer

just doesn't work
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Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

You can't give your account away.. i'm sorry but i'll report A-Net that your breaking the EULA!

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

haiku....CATCH IT!@!$#!@!@

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

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oh i see what you did there

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Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

The game will end for the PvE minded. You can however create your own challenges. Killing Glint, Rescuing Saidra on Ice Cave mission, playing Undead Hordes mission in shortest time possible for competition PvE wise, etc.

Altough I can understand that for a PvE crack, the game can become boring. But now that is october, you had fun for 5 months? not a bad bargain for the price it costs in store. anyway, I hope you'll get what you want in your next game. Maybe you should read forums of your next game before buying. That should give you a quick idea what parts of the game are considered not worthy.

I wish you good luck,
Makkert

Saladin

Saladin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Australia

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The game is an action rpg, it lacks weapons, potions, spells, rings necklless etc and charachter development. Basicly its a very shalow game with little to no depth, these points are fact when you compare it to any rpg online or not.

people can only truly see this once they get past the wow factor of playing a new game.

for me the game mechanics and pvp is good but i cant stand that it is missing all of the above and the linear pve which is much worse than even Dungeon Siege.

will i buy chapter two, with games like Oblivian coming out, not if im going to get more of the same as chapter one.

Its a Role Playing Game, try to actualy understand what that means.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

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Originally Posted by Saladin
The game is an action rpg, it lacks weapons, potions, spells, rings necklless etc and charachter development. Basicly its a very shalow game with little to no depth, these points are fact when you compare it to any rpg online or not.

people can only truly see this once they get past the wow factor of playing a new game.

for me the game mechanics and pvp is good but i cant stand that it is missing all of the above and the linear pve which is much worse than even Dungeon Siege.

will i buy chapter two, with games like Oblivian coming out, not if im going to get more of the same as chapter one.

Its a Role Playing Game, try to actualy understand what that means.
i see your point, but those examples weren't very well thought out at all seeing as how guild wars has many of those

gw is not a traditional rpg, it's not a diablo-clone, it's not an alternative to wow

stop saying it is or it should be

asdar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

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Originally Posted by User Name
that's not what he did at all....that's what it LOOKS like he did because you're a rampant fanboy. He merely stated that he no longer enjoys the game and doesn't feel as if it's the right choice for someone looking for a MMORPG...and seeing as though there are thousands upon thousands of people buying this game thinking it is, it's a valid review for anyone searching the boards for information about the game.

This game has the worst fanboy community of any game i've ever played. Guild Wars is a great game. But After 150-200 hours you're deathly tired of PvE. I got my money's worth....but the worth of one's money is subjective. Maybe he didn't feel as though he got his money's worth. He is certainly entitled to that opinion and the right to voice it. He was actually quite subjective. Pointed out where the game failed and why it failed(for him). Every time someone says something bad about this game you lemmings jump on them as if they've just insulted your first born child....it's actually quite pathetic.
You say I'm a fanboy because you're ignorant of the facts. I can see the downside to the game and there have been days on end when I don't play a bit but you don't see me coming on and whining and complaining about nerfs and how after 400 hours I'm bored.

The difference is that I'm mature enough to enjoy playing a game and when I quit I don't feel the need to blame the developers for nerfing or the people who are playing the game. I'm glad for the time I had to play and if I say anything when I go it's a goodbye to friends.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

when OBLIVION comes out i will go *poof* and drop in on GW now and then.

will i be back for chapter 2? SURE WILL

all they will do is build a complete new game on this games foundation adding who knows what for an encore.

call me a fanboy because i am having fun with the game as it is rather than going it needs this or that to ring my chimes

pull the other one complainers it has bells

BTW

if people who say they like the game are fanboys what is the official name for the constant complainers who are anti fanboys?

Saladin

Saladin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Australia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakumei
i see your point, but those examples weren't very well thought out at all seeing as how guild wars has many of those

gw is not a traditional rpg, it's not a diablo-clone, it's not an alternative to wow

stop saying it is or it should be
many of what, swords? staffs? bows? compare this to any rpg and you will see it has very little and not only that but it lacks aspects of other rpg.

i would barly call it an rpg, i am not comparing it to diablo that is a hack n slash, it beats GW hands down in many aspects it has a better story and items, but i wasnt comparing it.

my coments were about this game while using other (any) rpg for comparison, which i only did for ease of understanding. If you like take out my comparisons to any rpg, GW lacks in those aspects all the same.

BTW i think the next chapter will make or break this game for many people, we will have to wait and see.

oh and i expect to be playing oblivian for a long time, wow has nothing on that game...lol

User Name

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar

if people who say they like the game are fanboys what is the official name for the constant complainers who are anti fanboys?
fanboy isn't a term for people who like the game. Fanboy is a term for people who adamantly preach the greatness of a game whilst completely ignoring it's many shortcomings and flaming anyone who dares to say the game is lacking anything.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

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Originally Posted by Saladin
many of what, swords? staffs? bows? compare this to any rpg and you will see it has very little and not only that but it lacks aspects of other rpg.

i would barly call it an rpg, i am not comparing it to diablo that is a hack n slash, it beats GW hands down in many aspects it has a better story and items, but i wasnt comparing it.

my coments were about this game while using other (any) rpg for comparison, which i only did for ease of understanding. If you like take out my comparisons to any rpg, GW lacks in those aspects all the same.
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if you're not comparing it to other rpgs, then how would you know what it is lacking?

guild wars IS NOT an item-based game, variety in items/weapons/armor/whatever is not what the game is about

they purposely limited the choices in respect to equipment to make it as balanced as possible, and leave the real variety to the skills

that's why you have the option to make a max-level pvp character with the best armor and weapons right from the start

it's the skills that define this game, not anything else, if you want an item-based game go back to diablo. or wow. or one of those.

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

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Originally Posted by Kakumei
um

if you're not comparing it to other rpgs, then how would you know what it is lacking?

guild wars IS NOT an item-based game, variety in items/weapons/armor/whatever is not what the game is about

they purposely limited the choices in respect to equipment to make it as balanced as possible, and leave the real variety to the skills

that's why you have the option to make a max-level pvp character with the best armor and weapons right from the start

it's the skills that define this game, not anything else, if you want an item-based game go back to diablo. or wow. or one of those.
Agree, you don't get the best weapons and expect that you can destory everyone in PvP. You have to use skills and different combo in order to survive and win in PvP matches.

Shinsei

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Denmark

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Originally Posted by Loviatar
if people who say they like the game are fanboys what is the official name for the constant complainers who are anti fanboys?
Oh I dunno..."normal people" who are tired of hearing the same arguments from the same people without backing it up? People who like the game aren't fanboys. People who like the game and won't skip the chance to defend it with the very same argument in every single thread with a slight and maybe even subtle negative vibe towards the way things are being done about the game are fanboys. Most of them have already managed to massacre this thread with mindless dribble of trying to compare the OP's money spendt with his time etc. He's unhappy with the game. His reasons were viable. He expressed why and how he got tired of the game. End of story. You might try to argue that he bought the game for the wrong reason (his being PvE only), but I can only point the finger at A.net for trying to lure people from the wrong audience.

Saladin

Saladin

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Australia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakumei
um

if you're not comparing it to other rpgs, then how would you know what it is lacking?

guild wars IS NOT an item-based game, variety in items/weapons/armor/whatever is not what the game is about

they purposely limited the choices in respect to equipment to make it as balanced as possible, and leave the real variety to the skills

that's why you have the option to make a max-level pvp character with the best armor and weapons right from the start

it's the skills that define this game, not anything else, if you want an item-based game go back to diablo. or wow. or one of those.
how would i know? well this is exactly why i made the comparison so people can have something to compare it to as they lack basic analitical skills to judge properly.

well they didnt limit it by accident, your also comparing pve with pvp. PvP there is no issue with equipment i see nothing wrong there and i perfectly understand these balancing issues. PvE on the other hand, these issues are non existant as you can not fight each other, you can easily standaerdise PvP weapons so there is a balanced playing field while diversifying PvE weapons so people have choice, but please dont limit this argumennt to just weapons you are forgeting what a normal rpg entails.

any rpg has veriaty in many aspects of the game not just one, which is one example of how this game is limited.

i sugest you understand the argument before flaming a reply, we are talking about PvE aspects of the Game.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

here is something said elsewhere (no, not the carebear site) on another view on the game

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WHY I LOVE THIS GAME.......

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Let me start by saying I have been involved with RPG's since the pen and paper days of the 60's and on every computer system since the Commodore 64. Ok, so I'm older....I admit it ! Still I have played them all but never online, and I never post to these forums but I felt compelled to this time. I am sure there are others like me out there who just want to enjoy the fantasy world and the people in it. No technicalities ....just pure enjoyment and entertainment. Guild Wars does that for me and the others like me who love the adventure and beauty of this world. Although it can be hard sometimes to talk to people in the game because of their strict interest in only the technical aspects of this great game there are those I have managed to bond with in a truly wonderful way. All I am saying is lets just enjoy the world of Tyria and all it has to offer.....make someone's day by speaking with them and look forward to the many adventures that await us all...have fun....you never know .....a complete stranger could become a friend......it might even be me................enjoy....... be well..............
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what i would like to add is that sometimes i turn around a corner and see a bit of scenery that makes me simply stand there for minutes (henchies dont mind) and watch the clouds or whatever it is and just enjoy it.

i am a tourist at heart i guess.

has anybody seen a rainbow yet?

Saladin

Saladin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Australia

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Hi,

that quote is good but it is very obviouse the person hasnt gotton past the wow factor to be able to offer on objective view of the game rather than an emotional view which is what that is. I felt the same when i first played it, the game looks relatively great but we are not disputing that.

You can not argue that it doesnt lack many aspects, the reality is that it does.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

This is not new information by any standard. It's just another long-winded farewell.

Thanks.

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Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

I fully agree with the original poster about PvE.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Makkert
The game will end for the PvE minded. You can however create your own challenges. Killing Glint, Rescuing Saidra on Ice Cave mission, playing Undead Hordes mission in shortest time possible for competition PvE wise, etc.
Makkert
Anyone playing AD&D? Than tell me what you are missing in this suggestion about creating your own challenges...

I think playing the game for 5 months makes it worth ist money. No matter how I regret Anet's decissons in PvE. They promote all kinds of PvP events the best way they can. Clearly balancing is meant for PvP. The level cab, the low level items, skill balance...
Diablo 2: LOD has been nerfed more than once. There were complaints too. The big difference was that players allways got a huge compensation in new and stronger skill builds and, most importantly, items. This is not possible in a game that tries to support all kinds of balanced PvP matches. And thats where PvE players get disappointed: The point where their chr. cant grow stronger anymore is reached somewhere halfway the game. No need to even finish it.

So what whould AD&D players miss in the suggestion of creating your own challenges, by beating missions? A decent reward!