damn it... now with all these 5 man builds...
nobody fc*king wants a ranger... they want minion masters tanks
monks and nukers but not rangers.....
if theres any guild wars dev. reading this... pls make us abit more powerful.
i feel so third world. damn it
its so unfair
zeuseden
Ray
Nobody wants mesmers either, so I just play on my monk.
Actually, about these 5-man farming thing.. I get more 'green drops' with full teams than with any 5-man team.
So that 5-man farm thing isn't the thing for me o_O;;
Actually, about these 5-man farming thing.. I get more 'green drops' with full teams than with any 5-man team.
So that 5-man farm thing isn't the thing for me o_O;;
lishi
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Originally Posted by Ray
Nobody wants mesmers either, so I just play on my monk.
Actually, about these 5-man farming thing.. I get more 'green drops' with full teams than with any 5-man team.
So that 5-man farm thing isn't the thing for me o_O;;
well actually sometime i look for mesmer for 4/5 farming group
but normaly
1) no one is avaible
2) the avaible wont adapt its build
Actually, about these 5-man farming thing.. I get more 'green drops' with full teams than with any 5-man team.
So that 5-man farm thing isn't the thing for me o_O;;
well actually sometime i look for mesmer for 4/5 farming group
but normaly
1) no one is avaible
2) the avaible wont adapt its build
Tactical-Dillusions
I feel your pain OP. We can stand there for hours and still not get a group.
The saddest thing is, knowing that you can make a massive contribution and make things a hell of alot easier.
On one hand we can get mad that they haven't chosen a ranger, or we can be happy in the thought of them struggling without us.
Personally, i would rather PUG with henchies. They always listen, always follow, always carry a res signet, always refrain from aggro for the sake of a chest, never disconnect, never kick you for being a ranger...the list goes on.
I am one step from having Lina tattood on my arm, next to my girlfriends name.
The saddest thing is, knowing that you can make a massive contribution and make things a hell of alot easier.
On one hand we can get mad that they haven't chosen a ranger, or we can be happy in the thought of them struggling without us.
Personally, i would rather PUG with henchies. They always listen, always follow, always carry a res signet, always refrain from aggro for the sake of a chest, never disconnect, never kick you for being a ranger...the list goes on.
I am one step from having Lina tattood on my arm, next to my girlfriends name.
Savio
After a terrible night in which not a single random person my group picked up listened, I decided to screw PUGs. I only team with friends, friends of friends, and GWG people now.
dbrad
Try playing an ele who isn't a nuker. I explain my warder build to any group before setting out, and as I'm playing with PUGs, I still get get people yelling at me to "nuke now!" Guess what? I'm not there for damage. I'm there to help make sure you don't die. With a decent warder, a Greater Conflag ranger, and a group that listens, deaths are rare indeed. But nobody cares about anything but cookie cutter echo nuker builds in ele, and nobody cares about rangers at all.
Savio
Heh...I have a couple of friends who are earth ele and water ele. They pwn, except for the earth ele who tries to solo too much.
unienaule
Hey, that is totally unfounded. I have been a healing el/mo who maintains enchants with prodigy for our other monk's symbiosis for a while now.
conker
People actually goto sorrows furnace still? lol didnt know.... last time i heard someone going there was like a week after it came out
Savio
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Originally Posted by conker
People actually goto sorrows furnace still? lol didnt know.... last time i heard someone going there was like a week after it came out
Um, where have you been PvE-wise?
Carinae
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Originally Posted by Ray
Actually, about these 5-man farming thing.. I get more 'green drops' with full teams than with any 5-man team.
Seems to be true.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
Seems to be true.
From my perspective, no. I'm not the one with bows dropping everywhere...
zeuseden
blah ...i decide to try it out with henchies tonite. screw it. >.<
wish me luck on green bows!
wish me luck on green bows!
FFF_WarRaven
well for me, i have yet to get any green drops with henchies of any number, i like to use a necro MM, but let me tell you, i have spent hours trying to get into groups, so i dunno where you get that ppl always want to take a necro, i have always had to struggle to get anyone to take necros even my own guildmates...and for several different necro builds too, so i feel your pain.
I'm also tired of hearing...no were are FA Farming...there's more bosses if you do not take the dam FA quest and you can use the gear to replace the keg trick, and you can still get into the furnace without the kegs.
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I'm also tired of hearing...no were are FA Farming...there's more bosses if you do not take the dam FA quest and you can use the gear to replace the keg trick, and you can still get into the furnace without the kegs.
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TomD22
When i make a 4 man team, i go for 1 warrior, 1 ranger, 1 ele, and of course 1 monk. The warrior tanks, the monk keeps him alive. The ranger is there for pulling, and then to interrupt or just deal damage. Ele obviously main damage dealer. It's simple, but it works, provided the warrior and monk are up to it.
TwinRaven
I run a blood necro and get constant requests to switch to a minion master built....no. I play the way I want and if i can't find a group within 5 min, I go with a group of henchies...the full compliment of an 8-man party. I get plenty of good drops and don't have to deal with annoying 12-year-olds barking orders at me in 1337-speak.
I tend to play with henchies a lot these days...they do stupid things too (just like real folk) but they listen attentively to your criticism and never answer with "stfu you noob".
As for the Ranger issue...my first character is a ranger and I haven't played it much for the last month. I "finished" the game and moved on to necros...you will ALWAYS have people who are prejudiced based on their preconceived notions of what make good characters, but it has been my experience that this is truely a well-balanced game (based on the numbers of gripes that characters aren't powerful enough)...I've run several characters through the land of Tyria, and all I can say is that each one had its challenges and boons...running a smiting monks to Lions gate doing double damage...VERY cool...trapping the UW with only 4/5 ranger teams....VERY cool....
It comes to the fun coming from you and the way you play more than other players and your expectations of them...go run with henchies and quit waiting for narrow-minded folks to let you "tag along"...ultimately, with henchies, YOU are the boss and they follow you without question...If you pull a "Leroy Jenkins", no one will flame you for it...You will develop your own strategies that, when you play with "real" folks, will make you a better player
I tend to play with henchies a lot these days...they do stupid things too (just like real folk) but they listen attentively to your criticism and never answer with "stfu you noob".
As for the Ranger issue...my first character is a ranger and I haven't played it much for the last month. I "finished" the game and moved on to necros...you will ALWAYS have people who are prejudiced based on their preconceived notions of what make good characters, but it has been my experience that this is truely a well-balanced game (based on the numbers of gripes that characters aren't powerful enough)...I've run several characters through the land of Tyria, and all I can say is that each one had its challenges and boons...running a smiting monks to Lions gate doing double damage...VERY cool...trapping the UW with only 4/5 ranger teams....VERY cool....
It comes to the fun coming from you and the way you play more than other players and your expectations of them...go run with henchies and quit waiting for narrow-minded folks to let you "tag along"...ultimately, with henchies, YOU are the boss and they follow you without question...If you pull a "Leroy Jenkins", no one will flame you for it...You will develop your own strategies that, when you play with "real" folks, will make you a better player
knives
Funny how necros aren't wanted in Uw/Fow, but are in Sorrows.
Funny how rangers are wanted in Uw/Fow, but aren't in Sorrows.
Thats what we call equilibrium.
Funny how rangers are wanted in Uw/Fow, but aren't in Sorrows.
Thats what we call equilibrium.
Mistress Develion
I find that rangers are asked.. alot for SF runs.. As a ranger i also found it easier to say to hell with PC's grab 2 henchy mnks and 2 henchy warriors and farm on your own. Works just fine for me.. I clear the mine and about 1/3 of sorrows before i die.. the first time. Can usually clear a major chunk of sorrows with under 3 deaths.
I run a R/me
Illusion Majik-6
Inspiration majic-5
Expertise-8
Wilderness survival-7
Marksmanship-16
Poison arrow (or Milandru's arrow) elite
Kindle arrow
Dual shot
Conjure Phantasm
Troll Ungent
Phantom Pain
Energy Tap
Rez signet
I run a R/me
Illusion Majik-6
Inspiration majic-5
Expertise-8
Wilderness survival-7
Marksmanship-16
Poison arrow (or Milandru's arrow) elite
Kindle arrow
Dual shot
Conjure Phantasm
Troll Ungent
Phantom Pain
Energy Tap
Rez signet
Tainted Poon
All you need is a 3 man team: tank,nuker,monk. I play the tank because its the easiest hehe
knives
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Originally Posted by Tainted Poon
All you need is a 3 man team: tank,nuker,monk. I play the tank because its the easiest hehe
The thoughts of every other person in GW that can't get past teh tank, nuker, monk combo is proof that no one wants the other 3 classes in gw.
Warlock Superstar
I like to try get teams that dont have warriors in them, find it works much better to take another monk instead of a warrior, on paper a warrior looks like a much better damage absorber, but most of them arent using superior absorbtion and superior vigour and have faulted sets of armour, so your left with a dud player that runs around doing 0dmg with his sword and abusing everyone when he doesnt get drops.
Iere
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Originally Posted by FFF_WarRaven
well for me, i have yet to get any green drops with henchies of any number
Haha, I get one green drop every trip to the Furnace with my monk + 7 henchies. =)
Usually outside the furnace, on my way there. I kill a boss who's in my way and hey, look, it's a green.
Usually outside the furnace, on my way there. I kill a boss who's in my way and hey, look, it's a green.
Hoyt
Anytime you want to form a group, in any situation, announce this:
"Forming group of unwanted builds, outcasts and underdogs - invite your self."
I guarantee you will have more fun using this approach than with any "cookie-cutter" PuG.
I have had nothing but great experiences using this method and on the rare occasion something goes wrong, everybody still has fun & usually sticks around to try again.
"Forming group of unwanted builds, outcasts and underdogs - invite your self."
I guarantee you will have more fun using this approach than with any "cookie-cutter" PuG.
I have had nothing but great experiences using this method and on the rare occasion something goes wrong, everybody still has fun & usually sticks around to try again.
zeuseden
rofl... yeah.. as to regard to that.. monk tank and nuker is all u need philosophy .... screw it. its gay and sound like back street boys :P
no offence but i am doing well with henchies.. well cant do much quest with them thats for sure. but i farm well.
no offence but i am doing well with henchies.. well cant do much quest with them thats for sure. but i farm well.
ManadartheHealer
Henches generally are preferable to players...but I never seem to get any greens with them 
conker
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Originally Posted by Savio
Um, where have you been PvE-wise?
Lol good point heh, i havent been PvE'ing in the last few weeks but whenever i was in lions arch/droknars/Camp rankor/Beacons perch doing stuff, i have never seen a person say NE THing about sorrrows(yes iknow about the camp in Grenths footprint)
Vilaptca
They need to make it so that all of us Mesmers, Rangers and Necros who are stuck grouping with Henchies, can actually get green drops when we are grouped with henchmen.
Some sort of equation that looks at how many times you say LFG, how many groups kick you because you won't play a Minion Master since you only have Blood weapons and runes, how long you sat in town looking to join a group, how many districts you switched to and tried more, and then decide to give you at least 1 or 2 green drops when you completely clear SF and GF instead of the nothing you always get from the last 7 times you did this.
Bosses killed with henchies in SF/GF: greater than 50...
Greens dropped with henchies: 2...
The only times I have gotten other greens was before everyone decided the only Necro allowed in SF should be a minion master.
Some sort of equation that looks at how many times you say LFG, how many groups kick you because you won't play a Minion Master since you only have Blood weapons and runes, how long you sat in town looking to join a group, how many districts you switched to and tried more, and then decide to give you at least 1 or 2 green drops when you completely clear SF and GF instead of the nothing you always get from the last 7 times you did this.
Bosses killed with henchies in SF/GF: greater than 50...
Greens dropped with henchies: 2...
The only times I have gotten other greens was before everyone decided the only Necro allowed in SF should be a minion master.
Tainted Poon
Well, you do your 5 man all classes team excluding the warrior, I think ill stick with my 3 man team =)
knives
A blood necro is not that bad. One with well of power, blood, and blood ritual can substitute for one monk in the group.
lishi
well if one of mesmer what test stuff.
i need one mesmer/Necro for farming.
(try to have a good amout of skill unlocked)
<- ING
add me in friend list. becouse i switch char frequently
i need one mesmer/Necro for farming.
(try to have a good amout of skill unlocked)
<- ING
add me in friend list. becouse i switch char frequently
Vilaptca
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Originally Posted by knives
A blood necro is not that bad. One with well of power, blood, and blood ritual can substitute for one monk in the group.
I know that...thats me, but nobody else knows that...
unienaule
I'm sorry, but I have to take issue with Warlocks statement. Are you really saying that +9hp and -1dmg are going to make that much of a difference as a warrior? I don't think so. Majors do just fine for tanking. Sure, a superior absorption would be nice, but 170k for an extra -1 damage and 9hp is a little ridiculous.
However, his point is still a good one, you really only need one tank. Tanks aren't supposed to do any damae, if you can find a good one, he will take most of the aggro, and if you're REALLY good, you will lure the other aggro over to him.
However, his point is still a good one, you really only need one tank. Tanks aren't supposed to do any damae, if you can find a good one, he will take most of the aggro, and if you're REALLY good, you will lure the other aggro over to him.
knives
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Originally Posted by unienaule
I'm sorry, but I have to take issue with Warlocks statement. Are you really saying that +9hp and -1dmg are going to make that much of a difference as a warrior? I don't think so. Majors do just fine for tanking. Sure, a superior absorption would be nice, but 170k for an extra -1 damage and 9hp is a little ridiculous.
However, his point is still a good one, you really only need one tank. Tanks aren't supposed to do any damae, if you can find a good one, he will take most of the aggro, and if you're REALLY good, you will lure the other aggro over to him. <--I play self smite warrior tank. I aggro, and tank, but at the same time I helpa bit with the damage.
I buff my armor alot (WY! Dolyak Signet) and use bonettis for some nice evades. I also bring in distracting blow to help with distracting shots. All my other skills consist of some pretty nice smiting skills.
However, his point is still a good one, you really only need one tank. Tanks aren't supposed to do any damae, if you can find a good one, he will take most of the aggro, and if you're REALLY good, you will lure the other aggro over to him. <--I play self smite warrior tank. I aggro, and tank, but at the same time I helpa bit with the damage.
I buff my armor alot (WY! Dolyak Signet) and use bonettis for some nice evades. I also bring in distracting blow to help with distracting shots. All my other skills consist of some pretty nice smiting skills.
a_scrawny_gnoll01
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Originally Posted by zeuseden
damn it... now with all these 5 man builds...
nobody fc*king wants a ranger... they want minion masters tanks
monks and nukers but not rangers.....
if theres any guild wars dev. reading this... pls make us abit more powerful.
i feel so third world. damn it The developers have no power in being able to sway players opinions in what classes players want for farming.
That is...unless they decide to quadruple ranger damage, make barrage +40 per arrow, and change their armor to rival that of warriors. Oh! And did I forget to mention that they should be granted innate evade skill-just because they are rangers?
Each class plays their role, and rangers do not fit into the one you want. Making them able to fit into more just because you think they should is a prime example of a...
Classes have their rolls... they all don't need to be members of the same.
nobody fc*king wants a ranger... they want minion masters tanks
monks and nukers but not rangers.....
if theres any guild wars dev. reading this... pls make us abit more powerful.
i feel so third world. damn it The developers have no power in being able to sway players opinions in what classes players want for farming.
That is...unless they decide to quadruple ranger damage, make barrage +40 per arrow, and change their armor to rival that of warriors. Oh! And did I forget to mention that they should be granted innate evade skill-just because they are rangers?
Each class plays their role, and rangers do not fit into the one you want. Making them able to fit into more just because you think they should is a prime example of a...
Classes have their rolls... they all don't need to be members of the same.
zeuseden
The developers have no power in being able to sway players opinions in what classes players want for farming.
That is...unless they decide to quadruple ranger damage, make barrage +40 per arrow, and change their armor to rival that of warriors. Oh! And did I forget to mention that they should be granted innate evade skill-just because they are rangers?
Each class plays their role, and rangers do not fit into the one you want. Making them able to fit into more just because you think they should is a prime example of a...
Classes have their rolls... they all don't need to be members of the same. qoute
dude.. when u see a class or 2 fail to fit in a team... common sense will tell u its getting unbalanced. u wanna flame? use some commen sense before u do it.
That is...unless they decide to quadruple ranger damage, make barrage +40 per arrow, and change their armor to rival that of warriors. Oh! And did I forget to mention that they should be granted innate evade skill-just because they are rangers?
Each class plays their role, and rangers do not fit into the one you want. Making them able to fit into more just because you think they should is a prime example of a...
Classes have their rolls... they all don't need to be members of the same. qoute
dude.. when u see a class or 2 fail to fit in a team... common sense will tell u its getting unbalanced. u wanna flame? use some commen sense before u do it.
Volarian
Quit whining about not getting into a farming group because you're either a Ranger or Mesmer!!!
I'm trying to do the SF quests with my Ele - Nuker (did everything first go round with my monk) and can't get ANY group?!?! Every populated dist it's the same spam " Forming 5 man farming group LF Monks, Tank, Ele" / "Green farming group forming". I'd like to just be able to do the freaking quests but I can't even do that!!!!
...and don't even suggest henchies....yeah they are an option but I'd prefer the minor interactions of real people and the skills sets we know they'll bring that henchies don't - i.e. meteor shower, minions, well of power, interupts etc.
I'm trying to do the SF quests with my Ele - Nuker (did everything first go round with my monk) and can't get ANY group?!?! Every populated dist it's the same spam " Forming 5 man farming group LF Monks, Tank, Ele" / "Green farming group forming". I'd like to just be able to do the freaking quests but I can't even do that!!!!
...and don't even suggest henchies....yeah they are an option but I'd prefer the minor interactions of real people and the skills sets we know they'll bring that henchies don't - i.e. meteor shower, minions, well of power, interupts etc.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by zeuseden
nobody fc*king wants a ranger... they want minion masters tanks
monks and nukers but not rangers.....
It is amazing how I come up with these brilliant solutions
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if theres any guild wars dev. reading this... pls make us abit more powerful. i feel so third world. damn it that is one big joke. Rangers underpowered? I think not! Rangers rule the world!
Epinephrine
Form an all ranger group. We did Ring of Fire that way - rangers are deadly in groups. 5 Rangers should be able to farm so long as they are smart about it.
a_scrawny_gnoll01
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Originally Posted by zeuseden
dude.. when u see a class or 2 fail to fit in a team... common sense will tell u its getting unbalanced. u wanna flame? use some commen sense before u do it.
unienaule
I concur. If you see a group of people who don't want rangers because they dont do a lot of damage, either 1) they are nooooooobs or 2) they are 7/8 and dont have a nuker yet and really want one (been there). Damage output != usefulness.
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