Energy Management Suggestions, for a PvP monk?

Mo/El with Glyph of Renewal {E} and Divine Spirit if you're using low energy heals on your bar. You won't even have to put points into a secondary profession to use the combo. But you need very high divine favor

I don't like the Renewal build. It works, no doubts there - but it is so easy to mess it up. If you weren't able to cast divine spirit in time, you have to pay 15 energy to set up that combo. 15 energy is a huge investment. And 10 energy if you set it up on time. Isn't too good either.

As long as you are not disturbed it is a superior energy management - but if you get disturbed, for example you get interrupted, drained, ... then you are in big troubles.

ive always liked Peace and Harmony... But PaH gives you only 1 pipe regen...
Compare it to other elites and you'll see how poor this is

only advantage is: you don't need to put points in your secondary - but on the other hand - PaH can get stripped easily...

If you want the ultimate in E. Management for a Monk to wield, you HAVE to look into Inspiration Magic line. It's just TOOOO good in terms of usefulness and efficiency. The other staple energy managers have a few catches to them...

Mo/W - Bonetti's. High adrenaline and only works when melee hits you, NOT arrows/ranged magic.

Mo/N - Blood Offering. Losing hp in the middle of a fight is one hell of a drawback to consider.

Mo/R - Melandru's Resilence. Need to be hexed/conditioned to hell for it to be of any real energy use

Mo/E - The giant energy managers for Ele are stored in Energy Storage. No can do if you're monk primary and their glyphs, though stat-less, need giant heal/prot style skills for them to be effective. No point making a 15 e. skill cost 20 less e. or something...

and now...

Mo/Me - E. Drain! Although it got 'nerfed' the result was that it GAVE back more energy than it stole previously. It's insp. based so you can pump stats to it. You've also got Channeling, which works if you're surrounded [which happens in pvp, you ARE a monk after all running alongside teammates I hope] Inspired anything. Awesome for both energy management and cheap to boot. Drain Enchantment works, but it's a rather offensive spell and you need to keep a sharp eye out for enemy enchants. Not good since it NEEDS an enemy enchanted for it to work. Energy Tap, VERY slow, must be REALLLYY careful when using it, especially since everyone WILL target your butt...

Mo/Me with E. Drain is probably the best E. Manager you'll get...

edit** if you're wondering how your stats will work out, two options...

10+1+1 main [healing / protection]
9+1 Divine Favor
7+1 secondary [healing / protection]
10 Inspiration

You'll be more robust but not as uber-leet/powerful

OR THE SUPER FOCUSED MONK

12+1+3 Healing/Protection Prayers [pick your role and stick to it]
8+1 Divine Favor
10 Inspiration

I'm going to bet that more people will hop on the 2nd build using a Staff with Hale + HP suffixes or something combined with Sup. Vigor to cancel out the -75 hp from the Sup. Healing/Protection rune... Correct me if Im wrong but Bonnetis does work vs Arrows

Mo/Me - E. Drain! Although it got 'nerfed' the result was that it GAVE back more energy than it stole previously. It gives slightly more energy per use, but the recharge is half again as long as it used to be. Big nerf.

It gives slightly more energy per use, but the recharge is half again as long as it used to be. Big nerf. Yes, the long recharge and cast time on Energy Drain makes it less than ideal on its own. Mo/Me also have access to Inspired Hex and Channeling, though. But then you're down three slots for energy management if you use all three.

Really I think it depends on what you're comfortable with and the situations you usually encounter. When I Monk I'm virtually always under attack, so the thought of *sacrificing* my health to get a bit of energy is less than ideal -- I'll take Mo/Me with Channeling any day over that (or heck, even Mo/W with Bonettis). Likewise, if I'm being left alone I would much prefer to be the Mo/El with Renewal and Spirit.

The perfect energy management, of course, is a Blood Necromancer teammate.

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Stay away from mantra of recall + Contemplation of purity combo. CoP is sometimes good for other purposes, but mantra of recall is a bad energy management elite. The energy return after using those two skills is very poor. You also need a 15e. initial investment in order to get the return, which might not be available at all times.

E-drain (and e-tap) is also a poor choice. Edrain's energy denial is now minimal, its recharge time is twice that of offering of blood, even its cast time is interruptible.

Channeling is good at times, but those times are few and far between. In order to get the benefit out of that skill, you have to stay within proximity of enemies. As a monk, you always want to distance yourself from your enemies as much as possible, so trying to take advantage of channeling can be very dangerous.

The way I usually play a standard monk, if I don't need a monk elite, I'll take offering of blood and sometimes signet of devotion for energy management. If I do need a particular elite, I'll go mesmer secondary for drain enchantment and inspired hex. OoB is well and good, but you seem to have forgotten you're thinking of OLD DATA. The new mantra of recall is much better, and once you get used to it, you don't need to bring contemplation. That combined with inspired hex beats out Oob.

OoB is well and good, but you seem to have forgotten you're thinking of OLD DATA. The new mantra of recall is much better, and once you get used to it, you don't need to bring contemplation. That combined with inspired hex beats out Oob. What Mantra of recall are you talking about? Because the one I'm talking about gives ~23e. at 10 inspiration, meaning a net 13e. boost every 21s for 1.86 pips of energy. It also combines terribly with +%enchant mods, requires a 10e. initial cost, and it gives you the boost 20+s. later, which is just unacceptable. You can't predict 20s. in advance when you'll need the energy boost, and you certainly don't want a enchant strip to give you back that 23 energy before you have the room for it. So you run contemplation, which ends up giving you a total of 8e every 21s.

Compare to OoB; At 10 blood, a net 11e. boost every 15.25s for 2.16 pips of energy. That first sentence alone puts OoB ahead of mantra.
Then you factor in OoB's initial cost of only 5e, the fact that you get the boost instantly, in 0.25s, and OoB just flat out wins. Even with inspired hex, OoB will still be ahead, and it only takes 1 slot.

Conclusion? When you're running an energy management elite, you run OoB, unless you have 3 empty slots with nothing to fill them, in which case you go mesmer and stack up on those inspiration skills. I've never had a problem with filling in monk skill slots (quite the opposite, in fact), so I usually go with OoB.

edit: about the health loss, it just takes a little time to figure out when to use it and when not to use it. If you're getting attack, don't use it...if you're not, use it. 40something damage means nothing when you're not being targetted. Heck, if you are being targetted, I don't think you're gonna spend a couple of seconds looking for a target to e-drain or drain enchant and doing so.

What Mantra of recall are you talking about? Because the one I'm talking about gives ~23e. at 10 inspiration, meaning a net 13e. boost every 21s for 1.86 pips of energy. It also combines terribly with +%enchant mods, requires a 10e. initial cost, and it gives you the boost 20+s. later, which is just unacceptable. You can't predict 20s. in advance when you'll need the energy boost, and you certainly don't want a enchant strip to give you back that 23 energy before you have the room for it. So you run contemplation, which ends up giving you a total of 8e every 21s.

Compare to OoB; At 10 blood, a net 11e. boost every 15.25s for 2.16 pips of energy. That first sentence alone puts OoB ahead of mantra.
Then you factor in OoB's initial cost of only 5e, the fact that you get the boost instantly, in 0.25s, and OoB just flat out wins. Even with inspired hex, OoB will still be ahead, and it only takes 1 slot.

Conclusion? When you're running an energy management elite, you run OoB, unless you have 3 empty slots with nothing to fill them, in which case you go mesmer and stack up on those inspiration skills. I've never had a problem with filling in monk skill slots (quite the opposite, in fact), so I usually go with OoB.

edit: about the health loss, it just takes a little time to figure out when to use it and when not to use it. If you're getting attack, don't use it...if you're not, use it. 40something damage means nothing when you're not being targetted. Heck, if you are being targetted, I don't think you're gonna spend a couple of seconds looking for a target to e-drain or drain enchant and doing so. Oob @ 10 blood = 16 energy at the cost of 5, 11 net energy, every 15 seconds. This comes out to .7333 energy per second.

Mantra of Recall @ 10 inspiration = 23 energy at the cost of 10, 13 net energy, every 20 seconds. This comes out to .65 energy per second.

Seems pretty obvious which one is better, right? Well OoB sacrifices hp.. and the mantra has a higher cost up front, and you have to wait for it. Now think about this: You're using inpiration. Unlike blood, you get channeling, inspired hex, drain enchant, power leak, god knows what else. I usually only take inspired hex. Now let's add that to the mix.

Inspired Hex @ 10 inspiration = 11 energy at the cost of 5, 6 net energy, ever 20 seconds. This comes out to .3 energy per second. Now add that to Mantra of Recall. You get .95 energy per second, and hex removal on top.


I realize that not every one can just pick up inspiration and be effective with it, because it does take some getting used to. Saying that an elite is ineffective when it isn't, however, is another matter. Going mesmer secondary also gives you hex breaker. You do your thing, and I'll do mine.


-about the 20 second comment- That's about as smart as saying, "OMG OoB is a pos! You can never tell 15 seconds in advance when you'll need it! It might be recharging!"

Give me a break. 5 seconds more isn't a million times harder to predict. If you're getting your enchants broken all the time, then just cast when you need the energy, simple.

for energy management
use Channeling as ive seen and thinking
its effect is Ward Size
so yes its pretty good as a monk in pvp what ive started to like less and less about channeling is that alot of people use drain enchantment for energy management, and instead of tabbing through a list of people they just camp a monk using channeling. this is horribly annoying since you have to keep recasting it. and if you forget its like... crap im at 2 energy... do i put up channeling when im at 5 energy or do i save mr leroy whos getting owned...

what ive started to like less and less about channeling is that alot of people use drain enchantment for energy management, and instead of tabbing through a list of people they just camp a monk using channeling. this is horribly annoying since you have to keep recasting it. and if you forget its like... crap im at 2 energy... do i put up channeling when im at 5 energy or do i save mr leroy whos getting owned... i seriously dont like drain enchant..
good peopel use channeling / inspired hex in tombs
and when im at 2 energy and when someones dieing thats why we have a prot dont we
still theres no point to hate channeling as its still 1 of the best energy management skills

echo + blessed sig + lots of maintained enchaments

best energy i've seen yet. except for the fact that echo has a 30 second recharge, so you end up having 2 blessed signets for 20 seconds, and only 1 for 30 second, and then 2 for 20, 1 for 30, and so on. So just go with mantra of inscriptions.

except for the fact that echo has a 30 second recharge, so you end up having 2 blessed signets for 20 seconds, and only 1 for 30 second, and then 2 for 20, 1 for 30, and so on. So just go with mantra of inscriptions. since you can net 20+ energy from 1 blessed sig every 10 seconds it alone is better than any option out there. add echo and it just makes it even sweeter.

What Mantra of recall are you talking about? Because the one I'm talking about gives ~23e. at 10 inspiration, meaning a net 13e. boost every 21s for 1.86 pips of energy. It also combines terribly with +%enchant mods, requires a 10e. initial cost, and it gives you the boost 20+s. later, which is just unacceptable. You can't predict 20s. in advance when you'll need the energy boost, and you certainly don't want a enchant strip to give you back that 23 energy before you have the room for it. So you run contemplation, which ends up giving you a total of 8e every 21s.

Compare to OoB; At 10 blood, a net 11e. boost every 15.25s for 2.16 pips of energy. That first sentence alone puts OoB ahead of mantra.
Then you factor in OoB's initial cost of only 5e, the fact that you get the boost instantly, in 0.25s, and OoB just flat out wins. Even with inspired hex, OoB will still be ahead, and it only takes 1 slot.

Conclusion? When you're running an energy management elite, you run OoB, unless you have 3 empty slots with nothing to fill them, in which case you go mesmer and stack up on those inspiration skills. I've never had a problem with filling in monk skill slots (quite the opposite, in fact), so I usually go with OoB.

edit: about the health loss, it just takes a little time to figure out when to use it and when not to use it. If you're getting attack, don't use it...if you're not, use it. 40something damage means nothing when you're not being targetted. Heck, if you are being targetted, I don't think you're gonna spend a couple of seconds looking for a target to e-drain or drain enchant and doing so. And there you have it. Seriously this post sums it up. For those of you who INSIST on using Inspiration no valid arguement can sway you if the above quote does not. You will simply follow along like sheep bleeting out "I prefer 3-5 inspiration spells vs. 1 elite". Enjoy your multiple inspiration spells, I prefer to use Healing or Protection spells in those slots and ONE and only ONE energy management tool.