I've spent a lot of time up at War Camp since SF came out, mostly farming in and out of the Furnace, and doing some of the missions. While I have a wide variety of characters to choose from (just started my 7th, a mesmer for once) I normally bring my fire echo nuker up there. Why? Because there are only four SPECIFIC classes parties want.
A Meatshield
Minion Master
Echo Nuker
Healer
And that's being generous. Most farming parties will not even bother with the necro, and go out with a 5 man farming team. Absolutley zero compromises. Blood Necro? Forgetaboutit. Ranger? Forgetaboutit. Mesmer? Forgetaboutit.
And all of this silliness is simply because of greed - greed over items that are worth less than a top collector's item. At least a collector's ascalon bow gotten from Mineral Springs can be modded with strings and grips and turned into the best bow money can buy - and most players poopoo it because it doesn't "look" cool.
War Camp Elitism and Greed
Mimi Miyagi
Savio
Where are all these good players when I'm spamming for nontanks? I swear, all I get are nukers who want to kill the boss first.
Aracos79
This isn't just a War Camp/SF problem. It's just an extention of the same problem that runs all through the higher level PvE areas. PUGers have this stupid idea of the "perfect group" and they won't deviate from that idea for ANYTHING.
I sat in TK with my latest character (a necro) for nearly two hours total before I found a group of equally desperate people. We weren't "perfect". We had only one nuker, and no PC monks. We used hench monks and kicked that mission's ass.
I went back just for fun and saw two of the "perfect" grp leaders still spamming for nukers and monks. I laughed at them and went about my business.
I agree with the OP's sentiment 100%. Broaden your horizons, especially in PvE. It's so damn easy almost anything works.
I sat in TK with my latest character (a necro) for nearly two hours total before I found a group of equally desperate people. We weren't "perfect". We had only one nuker, and no PC monks. We used hench monks and kicked that mission's ass.
I went back just for fun and saw two of the "perfect" grp leaders still spamming for nukers and monks. I laughed at them and went about my business.
I agree with the OP's sentiment 100%. Broaden your horizons, especially in PvE. It's so damn easy almost anything works.
lg5000
I've given up on sorrows for a while... I can't handle waiting around for what seems like forever trying to get a team which doesn't farm... and don't show up as monk there at the wrong time, lots of blind invites from farming people. I DONT know what skills I should be bringing to farm around there, I don't farm with my monk!
I'll go back sometime, probably after finishing the quests at the end of the game, when not so many people want to just farm.
I'll go back sometime, probably after finishing the quests at the end of the game, when not so many people want to just farm.
topdragon147
If you don't like it, just create a team yourself (you as leader.) I have never seen a person to complain when on my team.Thing is, that if you were on their team, they prolly would have kicked you.
One and Two
If you haven't noticed, most PvE people are complete noobs.
Elistan Theocrat
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If you haven't noticed, most PvE people are complete noobs.
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Lol, false and biased. More accurate would be most people are noobs. PVP has its own share of noobs as well.
That having been said, the passing over of rangers/mesmers/necros is nothing new at all, at least in the pve side, of course, with the competitive aspect of pvp driving those who take it too seriously to experiment more, those classes get some respect in pvp. (when well played) Which in turn hurts them in pve because pve only people seem to think thats all those classes are good for.
One and Two
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Originally Posted by Elistan Theocrat
Lol, false and biased. More accurate would be most people are noobs. PVP has its own share of noobs as well.
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Actually, it's not false. Biased, maybe. Not false.
Racthoh
A player who doesn't recognize the value of a necromancer, mesmer, or ranger isn't worth partying with. 
Tactical-Dillusions
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Originally Posted by Savio
Where are all these good players when I'm spamming for nontanks? I swear, all I get are nukers who want to kill the boss first.
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Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
A player who doesn't recognize the value of a necromancer, mesmer, or ranger isn't worth partying with.
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With echo and spending 2-3 times more energy the damage output may even out, and maelstrom is pure gold, but, seriously, my mesmer had faster kills. She especially fared better against bosses, especially healer bosses, and groups of healers/casters.
One and Two
I enjoy the fact that most people don't know what is good for them.
coolsti
To the OP, don't despair. If you can't get into a group, take henchies. Or form your own party with some interesting combos of those professions that no one seems to want, and fill in the gaps with henchies. I have been going out in SF with my Mesmer and with my Ranger a lot, and I mostly take only henchies so I can do things at my own relaxed pace.
You can farm with henchies as well as with PUGS, maybe better (teamwork would most likely be better). A group of 5 henchies plus you gets as many drops as a group of 6 humans. You don't see the non-gold drops that the henchies get, but you wouldn't get these anyway if you were with humans.
I am currently a bit anti-warrior because of a lot of recent experiences with PUG warriors, so I enjoy going out with anything but. Did the Ring of Fires mission the other night with a party of 6 human rangers + 2 henchy monks. We smoked!
And it still amazes me how many parties stand around at the Thunderkeep mission waiting on two human monks. I have been doing this mission a lot lately helping friends, and the first thing I do is fill up the party with the two henchy monks, I don't even bother looking for human monks for that mission anymore.
You can farm with henchies as well as with PUGS, maybe better (teamwork would most likely be better). A group of 5 henchies plus you gets as many drops as a group of 6 humans. You don't see the non-gold drops that the henchies get, but you wouldn't get these anyway if you were with humans.
I am currently a bit anti-warrior because of a lot of recent experiences with PUG warriors, so I enjoy going out with anything but. Did the Ring of Fires mission the other night with a party of 6 human rangers + 2 henchy monks. We smoked!
And it still amazes me how many parties stand around at the Thunderkeep mission waiting on two human monks. I have been doing this mission a lot lately helping friends, and the first thing I do is fill up the party with the two henchy monks, I don't even bother looking for human monks for that mission anymore.
Mumoto
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
I've spent a lot of time up at War Camp since SF came out, mostly farming in and out of the Furnace, and doing some of the missions. While I have a wide variety of characters to choose from (just started my 7th, a mesmer for once) I normally bring my fire echo nuker up there. Why? Because there are only four SPECIFIC classes parties want.
A Meatshield Minion Master Echo Nuker Healer And that's being generous. Most farming parties will not even bother with the necro, and go out with a 5 man farming team. Absolutley zero compromises. Blood Necro? Forgetaboutit. Ranger? Forgetaboutit. Mesmer? Forgetaboutit. And all of this silliness is simply because of greed - greed over items that are worth less than a top collector's item. At least a collector's ascalon bow gotten from Mineral Springs can be modded with strings and grips and turned into the best bow money can buy - and most players poopoo it because it doesn't "look" cool. |
I've been there several times with my Necro / Monk ... never had problems getting a party, usually when playing people tell me i'm cool for the way i'm playing lol.
By the way you can start a party yourself
=HT=Ingram
the 5 man teams are ok, but you can do just fine with a full party too. its their loss. they are not actually playing the game. their just farming. the % of people actually playing the game for the playing of it is dropping exponentially. Yes I farm on occasion. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have in the last 2 months... Mostly I have been doing titan quests and tombs, and arenas. The PvE Fissure is not fun with small parties, but that's all you can get because of farmers. Pity but truth. I've been waiting for that next generation of players to hit the area to play the area out with. till then its just a farmers haven. That the people there have little use for anyone except those willing to give up everything to farm with them their way or the highway... then b!tch about it when nothing good drops for them... Wastefull? yes. disgusting?.. a little. does anyone care? no. so all we can do is hang till decent players get into the area again unfortanatly.
natus
i like to bring a mesmer with me to sf, backfire is great against the monks (yakslapper ;E), an interupt is good when you meet some monks trying to res a boss :|
Sekkira
Kind of more impossible to do Final Assault at Sorrow's with henchies. And people are too impatient to stand around in a team that is slowly forming when they can GET OUT AND BLIND INVITE EVERYONE THEN RUSH IN THERE AND FAIL INSTEAD 
Shadowdaemon
i had very good luck with a PUG today, it was like 4 in the morning, there is almost nobody in the dunes of despair mission, and i am a necro/warrior, and only level 13, there were two part-way formed groups, who would only do laugh emotes when i asked to join,
finally, fed up, i asked my fiance to bring her monk and help me, and i invited every person that didnt have a group, the party ended up being
me(necro/warrior 13)
monk/warrior 20
mes/ele 20
ranger/warrior 14
warrior/ranger 19
ele/necro 17
we passed it first try, no deaths, no problems, i hope those other jerks are still stuck there doing their emotes
finally, fed up, i asked my fiance to bring her monk and help me, and i invited every person that didnt have a group, the party ended up being
me(necro/warrior 13)
monk/warrior 20
mes/ele 20
ranger/warrior 14
warrior/ranger 19
ele/necro 17
we passed it first try, no deaths, no problems, i hope those other jerks are still stuck there doing their emotes
Teufel Eldritch
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Damn it. You're right.
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Wolvine
I must admit I agree with some of the comments.
I Have found the best groups are people who want to have fun and I find some of the best support characters for my tank and trapper rangers and blood necros which are sorely underestimated.
When we get a farming or capping party together we usually try to get a healer of sorts we dont care whither it is henchie monk or necro as they are all useful in there own ways and a good necro or ranger are worth there weight in gold.
What upsets me is when you get so called know it alls who want to run the show who will aggro (whether intentional or unintenional ) the biggest melee since (you choice the war). then they die curse the team and bug out.
But we are all human and we make mistakes that is how you learn and play the game we all started off new bees.
As an example I did villany of galarth mission with 4 other players leveled between 13 and 17 and a healer henchie (who died about every minute of so) where I was lvl 20.
We all had great fun and completed the mission even though some of the players had DP. in the end we did not care and the players all added each other to friends list and some have even joined my guild by there request.
The best thing about these groups if you get a good one you all have fun and at the end of the day we all want an easy hassle free life not an aggrivated life as real life will do that enough for us and most players us this as an escape from there normal lifes and as a way to relax.
So at the end of the day the motto is 'Live and Let Live' and dont let the bad player drag you down to there level.
Cya all on line if not have fun .
I Have found the best groups are people who want to have fun and I find some of the best support characters for my tank and trapper rangers and blood necros which are sorely underestimated.
When we get a farming or capping party together we usually try to get a healer of sorts we dont care whither it is henchie monk or necro as they are all useful in there own ways and a good necro or ranger are worth there weight in gold.
What upsets me is when you get so called know it alls who want to run the show who will aggro (whether intentional or unintenional ) the biggest melee since (you choice the war). then they die curse the team and bug out.
But we are all human and we make mistakes that is how you learn and play the game we all started off new bees.
As an example I did villany of galarth mission with 4 other players leveled between 13 and 17 and a healer henchie (who died about every minute of so) where I was lvl 20.
We all had great fun and completed the mission even though some of the players had DP. in the end we did not care and the players all added each other to friends list and some have even joined my guild by there request.
The best thing about these groups if you get a good one you all have fun and at the end of the day we all want an easy hassle free life not an aggrivated life as real life will do that enough for us and most players us this as an escape from there normal lifes and as a way to relax.
So at the end of the day the motto is 'Live and Let Live' and dont let the bad player drag you down to there level.
Cya all on line if not have fun .
Zades
No Joke guys, i can see where you are all coming from. and i agree, its so annoying getting a new character to TK with my Nec/War and being told that my build doesnt fit into their Supeior Party.
I hope tools who think they own the place never win missions with that kind of attitude.....
ZAdes~
I hope tools who think they own the place never win missions with that kind of attitude.....
ZAdes~
Hanuman li Tosh
lol the problem is apparent to me. if you are a serious PvP'r you likely have either a good guild already or a decent rank to get into tombs. there are a lot less guilds that PvE at that level and so the PvE'rs are forced to find a pug. pugs are comprised of the general population and general pop has a collective IQ of about 99 in just about everything ive ever encountered.
Sanji
Most of these uncreative, ignorant players aren't all that good to begin with.
So you really aren't missing out on anything. Though I do wish the matching service wasn't so crippled by the outpost/district system so that players who are more open minded could have an easier time finding each other.
So you really aren't missing out on anything. Though I do wish the matching service wasn't so crippled by the outpost/district system so that players who are more open minded could have an easier time finding each other.
Akathrielah
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Lol, false and biased. More accurate would be most people are noobs. PVP has its own share of noobs as well.
That having been said, the passing over of rangers/mesmers/necros is nothing new at all, at least in the pve side, of course, with the competitive aspect of pvp driving those who take it too seriously to experiment more, those classes get some respect in pvp. (when well played) Which in turn hurts them in pve because pve only people seem to think thats all those classes are good for. |
Other than that this is just another post of "waah waah my ranger/necro/mesmer doesn't get groups, waaah." Go make one. Instead of standing around screaming ranger LFG. Go make a group.
If there is anyone you should blame, its Anet. If they made the game difficult enough that you needed to bring support characters - Mesmers, Necros, Rangers. Then I'm sure that people would bring them. And I mean difficult as in having mobs with AI that can effectively utilize spell combos, tactics, etc, that would force you to be creative, not simply adding another 1000 hp to the mobs and another 100 damage to their attacks. But since a braindead monkey can finish this game, people simply want to complete this silly linear grind they call PvE as fast as possible. Which basically translates to tank-nuke-heal.
As for those who decide to bring their level 9 character into a high level area, seriously what do you expect? You have less HP, deal less damage, and has a lower mana pool.
Mimi Miyagi
For the folks that stated "you can start your own party and invite whoever you want".
This is very true. The only problem with that reasoning is that the people you recruit will take one look at who is in your party (or how many people are in it), call you a noob and leave. I've experienced the following:
"OMG noob, you can do this with only 5 players, u suk"
"OMG noob, why did you bring that ranger in here, I'm leaving"
It works both ways.
This is very true. The only problem with that reasoning is that the people you recruit will take one look at who is in your party (or how many people are in it), call you a noob and leave. I've experienced the following:
"OMG noob, you can do this with only 5 players, u suk"
"OMG noob, why did you bring that ranger in here, I'm leaving"
It works both ways.
unienaule
Well, actually, you should be glad they leave. Usually, those kind of people will do something really really retarded in my groups. Such as I once had a monk who didnt do any healing when we left warcamp, then when somebody died he said the following priceless quote:
"I wasn't doing anything to see if you guys suck. You obviously can't do it with just one monk, so I'm leaving. noobs!"
Nothing further, your Honor.
"I wasn't doing anything to see if you guys suck. You obviously can't do it with just one monk, so I'm leaving. noobs!"
Nothing further, your Honor.
Akathrielah
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For the folks that stated "you can start your own party and invite whoever you want".
This is very true. The only problem with that reasoning is that the people you recruit will take one look at who is in your party (or how many people are in it), call you a noob and leave. I've experienced the following: "OMG noob, you can do this with only 5 players, u suk" "OMG noob, why did you bring that ranger in here, I'm leaving" It works both ways. |
But I still must stress how important it is (especially for the sake of your sanity), to build and maintain a group of people that you can play with both in PvE and PvP.
quickmonty
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If you haven't noticed, most PvE people are complete noobs.
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An extremely blatant case of trolling
Hanuman li Tosh
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An extremely blatant case of trolling
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ManadartheHealer
It's just the PvE FOTM. Next month, the thing to do will be a 2 man team (which I could pull off 
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Mimi Miyagi
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not really. if you wont let a ranger in your group ever youre a noob. thats the point of the thread. OP cant get into a group becasue of ranger bias, figure it out...
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And it's not just ranger bias - it's the fact that people are acting like jerks due to (IMO) rather crappy green items being the new "cool thing to have".
It's not something new to GW - it happens in Tombs, in TOA among others - and all due to greed and elitism.
Funkinmofo
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Where are all these good players when I'm spamming for nontanks? I swear, all I get are nukers who want to kill the boss first.
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-Terytanian
Barry Whitte
Start your own group, then u control what is going on and ur always on a team. End of story.
5 man farming is horrible try 7, number doesnt matter anymore about green drops, u get more with 7, but just more people to distribute to though.
5 man farming is horrible try 7, number doesnt matter anymore about green drops, u get more with 7, but just more people to distribute to though.
Saerden
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not really. if you wont let a ranger in your group ever youre a noob. thats the point of the thread. OP cant get into a group becasue of ranger bias, figure it out...
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Going without rangers wont hurt you in PvE, and in PvP you need a reason to bring a ranger.
boxterduke
With my mesmer I did the 2 easy quests with henches and the other 2 with friends.
The final quest it was a random group and they picked me and we finished it in one shot.
I have not gotten back to do the main quests there but I still go with people I know to look for greens. But lately I'm just busy with my monk to do anything else.
I still have so much more elites to capture or finish the game with my last 2 characters but the monk is keeping me busy if you know what I mean
The final quest it was a random group and they picked me and we finished it in one shot.
I have not gotten back to do the main quests there but I still go with people I know to look for greens. But lately I'm just busy with my monk to do anything else.
I still have so much more elites to capture or finish the game with my last 2 characters but the monk is keeping me busy if you know what I mean
bobrath
Let folks join your "off brand" PuG and decide to leaev righta way because of who else is in your group... as long as they do it before hand.
Best group I ever ran was with was on Dunes. Not a single Monk, warrior, or Elementalist primary in the group. Just a good mix of necros, mesmers and rangers. I told everyone to be ready to self heal if needed, but to just concentrate on doing what the do best.
We get in the mission and .... its was amazing how fast we mowed down the mobs and how little damage we took. I think it opened all of our eyes. We decided to run to the next desert quest and picked up a W/Mo as one of our mesmers had to drop. The warrior actually complained that he was useless to us. We all had much fun with our "we don't need no stinkin warriors" comments. All in good fun as we easily passed the next mission.
As many others have said, if you have trouble finding a group... form your own and pick up folks that like you can't find a "normal" group. You'll be happliy suprised at the speed and fun you can attain.
Best group I ever ran was with was on Dunes. Not a single Monk, warrior, or Elementalist primary in the group. Just a good mix of necros, mesmers and rangers. I told everyone to be ready to self heal if needed, but to just concentrate on doing what the do best.
We get in the mission and .... its was amazing how fast we mowed down the mobs and how little damage we took. I think it opened all of our eyes. We decided to run to the next desert quest and picked up a W/Mo as one of our mesmers had to drop. The warrior actually complained that he was useless to us. We all had much fun with our "we don't need no stinkin warriors" comments. All in good fun as we easily passed the next mission.
As many others have said, if you have trouble finding a group... form your own and pick up folks that like you can't find a "normal" group. You'll be happliy suprised at the speed and fun you can attain.
kvndoom
Some of my most memorable moments in GW:
Hell's Precipice- 3 Wa/Mo's (myself and 2 guildies) and 5 henchies (Eve, Mhenlo, Lina, Cynn, and Devona). They wanted to cap 100 Blades (I had it, but I was along for the ride), but by the time we did that, what the hey, we were right there so we finished the mission.
Sanctum Cay- our group couldn't get a monk, so I had to be the monk! With my +4 energy smiting rod, Gladiator's Armor, and Healing Ankh, I had 40 energy, so I was the designated healer. Even though I wasn't allowed to kill, it was still fun, and we made it through with no deaths.
Iron Mines- it started as an infusion run. I can do infusion (hell, can beat the whole mission) with just henchies, but I figgered I'd help some people along since I was doing it anyway. Wound up with a group of 8, and not a single monk. We fought our way instead of ran. Killed everything we came across, healed / rezzed ourselves as necessary. After we got infused, a couple of the guys asked if we could try finishing the mission because they hadn't done so yet. I talked everyone else into staying for 10 more minutes to get it done, and we went on and waxed Markis and his cronies with unbelievable ease.
All the while my groups were going against the grain and having a blast, I'm sure, as noted, there were plenty of knuckleheads standing around in town for 30+ minutes spamming "GLF 2 nukers 2 monks!" ad nauseam. I think it's a lack of faith in one's own ability that causes a fear of trying anything outside of the cookie-cutter strategy. Most missions in this game can be done easily with one monk, some with no monk at all, as long as everyone knows their part and plays their part.
Hell's Precipice- 3 Wa/Mo's (myself and 2 guildies) and 5 henchies (Eve, Mhenlo, Lina, Cynn, and Devona). They wanted to cap 100 Blades (I had it, but I was along for the ride), but by the time we did that, what the hey, we were right there so we finished the mission.
Sanctum Cay- our group couldn't get a monk, so I had to be the monk! With my +4 energy smiting rod, Gladiator's Armor, and Healing Ankh, I had 40 energy, so I was the designated healer. Even though I wasn't allowed to kill, it was still fun, and we made it through with no deaths.
Iron Mines- it started as an infusion run. I can do infusion (hell, can beat the whole mission) with just henchies, but I figgered I'd help some people along since I was doing it anyway. Wound up with a group of 8, and not a single monk. We fought our way instead of ran. Killed everything we came across, healed / rezzed ourselves as necessary. After we got infused, a couple of the guys asked if we could try finishing the mission because they hadn't done so yet. I talked everyone else into staying for 10 more minutes to get it done, and we went on and waxed Markis and his cronies with unbelievable ease.
All the while my groups were going against the grain and having a blast, I'm sure, as noted, there were plenty of knuckleheads standing around in town for 30+ minutes spamming "GLF 2 nukers 2 monks!" ad nauseam. I think it's a lack of faith in one's own ability that causes a fear of trying anything outside of the cookie-cutter strategy. Most missions in this game can be done easily with one monk, some with no monk at all, as long as everyone knows their part and plays their part.
Hanuman li Tosh
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No you are not. If you dont let rangers join your UW trapping group, you may be a n00b, but so you are for not doing UW with dualmonk // monk + necro
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Shadowspawn X
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If you haven't noticed, most PvE people are complete noobs.
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Aracos79
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And those hords of geniuses in tombs who can't follow a call, dont have comms, and have a grand total of 15 skills to choose from are not?
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lol... omgz... like who n33ds c0mms t0 d0 1WaY?!?!!11 u noob.
