War Camp Elitism and Greed

I've spent a lot of time up at War Camp since SF came out, mostly farming in and out of the Furnace, and doing some of the missions. While I have a wide variety of characters to choose from (just started my 7th, a mesmer for once) I normally bring my fire echo nuker up there. Why? Because there are only four SPECIFIC classes parties want.

A Meatshield
Minion Master
Echo Nuker
Healer

And that's being generous. Most farming parties will not even bother with the necro, and go out with a 5 man farming team. Absolutley zero compromises. Blood Necro? Forgetaboutit. Ranger? Forgetaboutit. Mesmer? Forgetaboutit.

And all of this silliness is simply because of greed - greed over items that are worth less than a top collector's item. At least a collector's ascalon bow gotten from Mineral Springs can be modded with strings and grips and turned into the best bow money can buy - and most players poopoo it because it doesn't "look" cool.

Where are all these good players when I'm spamming for nontanks? I swear, all I get are nukers who want to kill the boss first.

This isn't just a War Camp/SF problem. It's just an extention of the same problem that runs all through the higher level PvE areas. PUGers have this stupid idea of the "perfect group" and they won't deviate from that idea for ANYTHING.

I sat in TK with my latest character (a necro) for nearly two hours total before I found a group of equally desperate people. We weren't "perfect". We had only one nuker, and no PC monks. We used hench monks and kicked that mission's ass.

I went back just for fun and saw two of the "perfect" grp leaders still spamming for nukers and monks. I laughed at them and went about my business.

I agree with the OP's sentiment 100%. Broaden your horizons, especially in PvE. It's so damn easy almost anything works.

I've given up on sorrows for a while... I can't handle waiting around for what seems like forever trying to get a team which doesn't farm... and don't show up as monk there at the wrong time, lots of blind invites from farming people. I DONT know what skills I should be bringing to farm around there, I don't farm with my monk!

I'll go back sometime, probably after finishing the quests at the end of the game, when not so many people want to just farm.

If you don't like it, just create a team yourself (you as leader.) I have never seen a person to complain when on my team.Thing is, that if you were on their team, they prolly would have kicked you.

If you haven't noticed, most PvE people are complete noobs.

Lol, false and biased. More accurate would be most people are noobs. PVP has its own share of noobs as well.

That having been said, the passing over of rangers/mesmers/necros is nothing new at all, at least in the pve side, of course, with the competitive aspect of pvp driving those who take it too seriously to experiment more, those classes get some respect in pvp. (when well played) Which in turn hurts them in pve because pve only people seem to think thats all those classes are good for.

Damn it. You're right.

Actually, it's not false. Biased, maybe. Not false.

A player who doesn't recognize the value of a necromancer, mesmer, or ranger isn't worth partying with.

I'm usually farming mursaat with my trapper

Especially as echo nukers don't do all that much damage to heavily armored targets. I am taking an echo nuker through the game now, and she's having a much harder time in Sorrows Furnace than my mesmer did. My domination mesmer echoed shatter hex for 2*125 armor-ignoring AoE damage, backfire would kill one enemy caster (e.g. a healer) and empathy would take one melee enemy down to 10% health or so - while my elementalists meteor shower does 3*65 damage thanks to the dwarven armor.
With echo and spending 2-3 times more energy the damage output may even out, and maelstrom is pure gold, but, seriously, my mesmer had faster kills. She especially fared better against bosses, especially healer bosses, and groups of healers/casters.

I enjoy the fact that most people don't know what is good for them.

To the OP, don't despair. If you can't get into a group, take henchies. Or form your own party with some interesting combos of those professions that no one seems to want, and fill in the gaps with henchies. I have been going out in SF with my Mesmer and with my Ranger a lot, and I mostly take only henchies so I can do things at my own relaxed pace.

You can farm with henchies as well as with PUGS, maybe better (teamwork would most likely be better). A group of 5 henchies plus you gets as many drops as a group of 6 humans. You don't see the non-gold drops that the henchies get, but you wouldn't get these anyway if you were with humans.

I am currently a bit anti-warrior because of a lot of recent experiences with PUG warriors, so I enjoy going out with anything but. Did the Ring of Fires mission the other night with a party of 6 human rangers + 2 henchy monks. We smoked!

And it still amazes me how many parties stand around at the Thunderkeep mission waiting on two human monks. I have been doing this mission a lot lately helping friends, and the first thing I do is fill up the party with the two henchy monks, I don't even bother looking for human monks for that mission anymore.

I've been there several times with my Necro / Monk ... never had problems getting a party, usually when playing people tell me i'm cool for the way i'm playing lol.

By the way you can start a party yourself

the 5 man teams are ok, but you can do just fine with a full party too. its their loss. they are not actually playing the game. their just farming. the % of people actually playing the game for the playing of it is dropping exponentially. Yes I farm on occasion. I can count on 1 hand how many times I have in the last 2 months... Mostly I have been doing titan quests and tombs, and arenas. The PvE Fissure is not fun with small parties, but that's all you can get because of farmers. Pity but truth. I've been waiting for that next generation of players to hit the area to play the area out with. till then its just a farmers haven. That the people there have little use for anyone except those willing to give up everything to farm with them their way or the highway... then b!tch about it when nothing good drops for them... Wastefull? yes. disgusting?.. a little. does anyone care? no. so all we can do is hang till decent players get into the area again unfortanatly.

i like to bring a mesmer with me to sf, backfire is great against the monks (yakslapper ;E), an interupt is good when you meet some monks trying to res a boss :|

Kind of more impossible to do Final Assault at Sorrow's with henchies. And people are too impatient to stand around in a team that is slowly forming when they can GET OUT AND BLIND INVITE EVERYONE THEN RUSH IN THERE AND FAIL INSTEAD

i had very good luck with a PUG today, it was like 4 in the morning, there is almost nobody in the dunes of despair mission, and i am a necro/warrior, and only level 13, there were two part-way formed groups, who would only do laugh emotes when i asked to join,

finally, fed up, i asked my fiance to bring her monk and help me, and i invited every person that didnt have a group, the party ended up being
me(necro/warrior 13)
monk/warrior 20
mes/ele 20
ranger/warrior 14
warrior/ranger 19
ele/necro 17

we passed it first try, no deaths, no problems, i hope those other jerks are still stuck there doing their emotes

The reason why most are noobs is because....not many ppl playing PvE GW have actually played thru the game. Most dont know the first damn thing on how to play thier characters. I am assuming(I don't PvP so I don't know for sure) that they also go into the PvP enviroment & are noobs there.

I must admit I agree with some of the comments.

I Have found the best groups are people who want to have fun and I find some of the best support characters for my tank and trapper rangers and blood necros which are sorely underestimated.

When we get a farming or capping party together we usually try to get a healer of sorts we dont care whither it is henchie monk or necro as they are all useful in there own ways and a good necro or ranger are worth there weight in gold.

What upsets me is when you get so called know it alls who want to run the show who will aggro (whether intentional or unintenional ) the biggest melee since (you choice the war). then they die curse the team and bug out.

But we are all human and we make mistakes that is how you learn and play the game we all started off new bees.

As an example I did villany of galarth mission with 4 other players leveled between 13 and 17 and a healer henchie (who died about every minute of so) where I was lvl 20.

We all had great fun and completed the mission even though some of the players had DP. in the end we did not care and the players all added each other to friends list and some have even joined my guild by there request.

The best thing about these groups if you get a good one you all have fun and at the end of the day we all want an easy hassle free life not an aggrivated life as real life will do that enough for us and most players us this as an escape from there normal lifes and as a way to relax.

So at the end of the day the motto is 'Live and Let Live' and dont let the bad player drag you down to there level.

Cya all on line if not have fun .