I reported the bug with the interrupts, which is the delay after firing one on everything (not just using the next skill) and got this response...
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# Distracting Shot Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
# Savage Shot Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
# Concussion Shot Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
# Punishing Shot Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
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Might need some help clarifying it with ANet... Rangers unite and report the bug!
Rangers Unite! A Call to Arms!
MSecorsky
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by quickmonty
It's not a bug. Read the last update notes.
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# Distracting Shot Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
Delay between skills. On this we can all agree, no? Seems clear to me.
When did walking become a skill? When did firing a normal arrow become a skill? These are also delayed, hence the bug.
tomcruisejr
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
When did walking become a skill? When did firing a normal arrow become a skill? These are also delayed, hence the bug.
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yep. its a bug.
signed,
Scout Master Syra
RTSFirebat
Damn, useless A.net... at least they replied to you, they just passed my call to someone and told me to sod off more or less 
I don't care what A.net say, this is bugged in my eyes... here's a common from another tread I posted in:
Like you said, since when is MOVING a skill? 
I don't care what A.net say, this is bugged in my eyes... here's a common from another tread I posted in:
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Well consider even a dev have stated there is some kind of bug involved with them... both us could be wrong, I'm going to leave it at that since till a dev steps in and says otherwise I believe its not working as intended at all, since it makes no sense that your unable to move. The skill change says: "Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used." Doesn't say anything about firing normal shots or moving! Till a dev says otherwise I still think its not working 100% the way it intended to. |
Lasher Dragon
Man, I'm glad I don't really ever play my Ranger anymore - sounds like that would really suck.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon
Man, I'm glad I don't really ever play my Ranger anymore - sounds like that would really suck.
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Shadowspawn X
This is not good, its actually caused me to die a couple of times in pve. Nothing like standing with an abyss towering over you while hitting the move arrows and watching your toon stand there with its arms at its sides letting the monster get in a free KD. Also when in PUG's it makes us look stupid, standing there with arms at side while danger is all around, no wonder people don't let rangers in the PUG. If I saw that I would be like WTF is wrong with that ranger! This is the worst thing they done to us rangers yet.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
This is not good, its actually caused me to die a couple of times in pve. Nothing like standing with an abyss towering over you while hitting the move arrows and watching your toon stand there with its arms at its sides letting the monster get in a free KD. Also when in PUG's it makes us look stupid, standing there with arms at side while danger is all around, no wonder people don't let rangers in the PUG. If I saw that I would be like WTF is wrong with that ranger! This is the worst thing they done to us rangers yet.
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Mhydrian
Its really bad when they use the "working as intended" phrase. Red flags go off everytime I read this from DEVs. In this case working as intended is something other than the patch description. Maybe if it's working as intented they could put exactly what they have nerfed/patched into patch notes next time.
Ollj
you rangers are so goddamn stupid.
the delay affects everything including movement and thats just right, fair and intended.
it is not a bug just another wrong description of what has changed.
translating "added a deelay" into:
"After using this skill you are doomed by its activation time, that comes after the skill instead of before it, and forced to stand without being able to interrupt your skill activation"
Those skills activation time simply works reverse.
Ever seen an ele complaining about being not able to walk while casting?
could be worse, you could be interrupted while activating a skill.
the delay affects everything including movement and thats just right, fair and intended.
it is not a bug just another wrong description of what has changed.
translating "added a deelay" into:
"After using this skill you are doomed by its activation time, that comes after the skill instead of before it, and forced to stand without being able to interrupt your skill activation"
Those skills activation time simply works reverse.
Ever seen an ele complaining about being not able to walk while casting?
could be worse, you could be interrupted while activating a skill.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Ollj
you rangers are so goddamn stupid.
the delay affects everything including movement and thats just right, fair and intended. it is no bug. those skills activation time simply works reverse. ever seen an ele complaining about being not able to walk while casting? |
Look Sparky, the description clearly states that the delay is in using the next skill. At the very least, if that's not the true intent, this needs to be made clear. Otherwise, based on description, it's a bug.
Ollj
wow guys, if you define "bug" by "it is not like its description" half of the german skills are bugged while they are just fine in english.
and 1/10 of all english skill descriptions are also wrong, smite hex does holy damage...
and 1/10 of all english skill descriptions are also wrong, smite hex does holy damage...
Sol_Vie
The German skills aren't bugged just because the wording is wrong. That's entirely different. It's a mistake in translation, not programming.
Hanuman li Tosh
on one hand those ranger skills are bugged, on the other hand rangers can shoot thru solid objects. what ive heard is anet is considering to up the delay to 4 seconds, so i hope they are on it too. if they made those changes and fixed TC GW would be as close to perfect as you can get.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
on one hand those ranger skills are bugged, on the other hand rangers can shoot thru solid objects. what ive heard is anet is considering to up the delay to 4 seconds, so i hope they are on it too. if they made those changes and fixed TC GW would be as close to perfect as you can get.
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Well, at least you have a sense of humor, be it dark.
As for shooting through objects, that should be fixed, as should any caster being able to target someone that they don't have line of sight on as well. How can an ele cast meteor on someone it can't even see? Just as bad as ranger arrows.
John Waffletord
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Originally Posted by Ollj
you rangers are so goddamn stupid.
the delay affects everything including movement and thats just right, fair and intended. it is not a bug just another wrong description of what has changed. translating "added a deelay" into: "After using this skill you are doomed by its activation time, that comes after the skill instead of before it, and forced to stand without being able to interrupt your skill activation" Those skills activation time simply works reverse. Ever seen an ele complaining about being not able to walk while casting? could be worse, you could be interrupted while activating a skill. |
Hanuman li Tosh
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
4 secs. That is so deep into absurdity I have to assume you're either joking or trolling for flames. Fire and arrow and be frozen inactive for 4 secs.
Well, at least you have a sense of humor, be it dark. As for shooting through objects, that should be fixed, as should any caster being able to target someone that they don't have line of sight on as well. How can an ele cast meteor on someone it can't even see? Just as bad as ranger arrows. |
yeah, you shouldnt even be able to select a character whos not in your line of sight.
Hanuman li Tosh
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Originally Posted by John Waffletord
Mesmer interupts cast faster than ranger interupts, yet there is no delay.
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John Waffletord
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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
mesmer interupts generally dont do massive damage like ranger ones do, hence the dilema anet is faced with.
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The guy i quoted said the skill should read "..you are doomed by its activation time.."
That would mean mesmer interupts should have a delay too.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
no, im dead serious, someone with an anet 'tag' on another forums posted that. im pretty sure the total inactivity bug would be fixed tho.
yeah, you shouldnt even be able to select a character whos not in your line of sight. |
Methinks your leg was yanked.
A User Name
Yeah 4 secs on inactivity. You got to be nuts. I mean it like telling a monk he can only heal every 4 secs because his heals are too good. It's insane. I'd like them to remove the bug and/or delay. I agree with line of sight, but if rangers have a delay mesmers should to cause theier interupts can be devesting is used correctly (i.e. power spike once, power drain, watever the other one is, and power block)
kawaii_bat
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Originally Posted by John Waffletord
No, you're right, they don't.
The guy I quoted said the skill should read "..you are doomed by its activation time.." That would mean mesmer interupts should have a delay too. |
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Yeah 4 secs on inactivity. You got to be nuts. I mean it like telling a monk he can only heal every 4 secs because his heals are too good. It's insane. I'd like them to remove the bug and/or delay. I agree with line of sight, but if rangers have a delay mesmers should to cause theier interupts can be devesting is used correctly (i.e. power spike once, power drain, watever the other one is, and power block)
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OMG!
Mesmer interrupts have *recast times*already and are spells that cost decent amounts of energy!
The only reason they can do it in quick succession is because they use different skills and use signets to recharge them.
Rangers have expertise to lower their cost significantly and most ranger interupts are attacks and have little to *no* recharge time.
*That* is why they put a delay beteen ranger interupts. And *that* is why Mesmers will not get the same treatment
And why would the quote 'you are doomed by it's activation time' mean that mesmers need delays for their interupts? I don't get that.
I agree that *not* being able to do anything after an interupt is stupid. Taht should be fixed but not taken away completely or people won't be able to PvP against them like before.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by kawaii_bat
While rangers have expertise to lower their cost significantly and most ranger interupts are attacks and have little to *no* recharge time.
*That* is why the put a delay beteen ranger interupts. And why would the quote 'you are doomed by it's activation time' mean that mesmers need delays for their interupts? I don't get that. |
The delay was because the activation time of the interrupts was fast, like a quarter second. So if you had multiple interrupt shots you could flip out three or four in a second, causing massive spiking when combined with various preparations. What makes the most sense is if the delay occurs only between consecutive interrupts. For example, if I thwip out distracting shot followed by dual shot, the normal firing time for dual shot should be used, not the normal firing time + the delay. Having the delay between consecutive skills is tolerable, even if it makes less sense. What's totally nuts (and the main bug) is firing off an interrupt and standing there slack-jawed while the world attacks you.
smurfhunter
they need to level their alpha testers
John Waffletord
Theres no reason you should not atleast MOVE, and I think you should definitely be able to fire another arrow, with normal refire rates for your bow.
It was just meant to stop the stringing together of interupts.. for instance 8 rangers with kindle + 3 interupts doing 1000+ dmg in 2 second timeframe.
It was just meant to stop the stringing together of interupts.. for instance 8 rangers with kindle + 3 interupts doing 1000+ dmg in 2 second timeframe.
Rhys ap Llysgwr
As somone who usually plays a monk, I really hate interrupt rangers. So let me just take this opportunity to say:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by Rhys ap Llysgwr
As somone who usually plays a monk, I really hate interrupt rangers. So let me just take this opportunity to say:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
Rangers have always been the underdogs, besides you should be more worried about Memsers using Shutdown skills on you and fast casting interrupts.
Eet GnomeSmasher
It all makes sense now. Not being able to move after using an interrupt.... because bow interrupts are definately being treated as "spells" The delay is being treated as casting time and therefore you can't move.
Also because they're being treated as spells, bow interrupts are going through evasive/blocking stances since they're being treated as spells rather than physical attacks. Ever notice how bow interrupts will always go through a defensive stance?
They really screwed up some skills lately...
Also because they're being treated as spells, bow interrupts are going through evasive/blocking stances since they're being treated as spells rather than physical attacks. Ever notice how bow interrupts will always go through a defensive stance?
They really screwed up some skills lately...
Agild Greenfinger
Anet and people are making this problem much more complicated than it really is.
I don't mind the delay as it was intended, but obviously the bug with no moving or normal attacking will ahve to be adressed.
as I said Anet has made the alot more complicated than it needed to be. a simple sollution would be to change the skill description and function to the following
"If Distracting Shot hits, it interrupts target foe's action but deals only 1-13 damage. If the interrupted action was a skill, that skill is disabled for an additional 20 seconds. all your skills are disabled for ½* seconds"
*insert the correct delay time here(I don't know since it's hard to tell)
this way the skill description will actually mention the delay, making it easier for people that don't keep up to date with all the update notes and new players aswell as to how the skill actually work. not only that but it also mentions the actual delay rather than the vague "added delay" making it much easier to gauge the downside to the skill. also having the skillbar being disabled in a similar fashion to a "markman's wager" miss, will give a much better visual representation of the downtime after using the skill. not only that but it will most likely also fix the current bug since anet won't have to rely on some odd after cast/shot animation that freezes the character in place...I mean they already have the skill mechanic working in a "markman's wager" miss and as far as I know such a miss doesn't prevent you from moving or attacking normally for the duration the skillbar is disabled. problem solved!
I don't mind the delay as it was intended, but obviously the bug with no moving or normal attacking will ahve to be adressed.
as I said Anet has made the alot more complicated than it needed to be. a simple sollution would be to change the skill description and function to the following
"If Distracting Shot hits, it interrupts target foe's action but deals only 1-13 damage. If the interrupted action was a skill, that skill is disabled for an additional 20 seconds. all your skills are disabled for ½* seconds"
*insert the correct delay time here(I don't know since it's hard to tell)
this way the skill description will actually mention the delay, making it easier for people that don't keep up to date with all the update notes and new players aswell as to how the skill actually work. not only that but it also mentions the actual delay rather than the vague "added delay" making it much easier to gauge the downside to the skill. also having the skillbar being disabled in a similar fashion to a "markman's wager" miss, will give a much better visual representation of the downtime after using the skill. not only that but it will most likely also fix the current bug since anet won't have to rely on some odd after cast/shot animation that freezes the character in place...I mean they already have the skill mechanic working in a "markman's wager" miss and as far as I know such a miss doesn't prevent you from moving or attacking normally for the duration the skillbar is disabled. problem solved!
MSecorsky
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# Distracting Shot Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
Sure, this works as advertised, however there's also a delay before you can do any non-skill activities as well. Including walking. This is obviously not what the description indicates and is either a bug or the description needs to be clarified. As it affects gameplay, it's a bug.
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# Distracting Shot Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
Sure, this works as advertised, however there's also a delay before you can do any non-skill activities as well. Including walking. This is obviously not what the description indicates and is either a bug or the description needs to be clarified. As it affects gameplay, it's a bug.
coolsti
Uh, what is the big issue here? I play a ranger, and I use distracting shot and savage shot constantly in my skill bar. Sure my ranger stands around for a few seconds after each time, and I surely don't think it is as long as 4 seconds. It seems more like only 2 at most. At any rate, my ranger is still an effective interruptor and quite damaging and useful in general.
I would suppose Anet felt that ranger interrupts without the delay would make the ranger as interruptor too powerful. Putting the delay time before the shot instead of after would be bad, as with a ranger you also need to wait for the time it takes for the arrow to reach target. Compare this to a mesmer: there is no arrow travel time, but the mesmer skills have a longer recharge time. Much longer. So the ranger delay after the shot is just a way of trying to balance the game a bit.
Whether the delay is implemented as a blackout of all skills or a zombie stance of the character is maybe the issue. Anet decided on the latter. And this might be preferred over a skill blackout just for the sake of eye candy: its annoying enough seeing that skillbar go black and all that illusionary rotation as they recharge each time your pet dies and is rezzed.
I would suppose Anet felt that ranger interrupts without the delay would make the ranger as interruptor too powerful. Putting the delay time before the shot instead of after would be bad, as with a ranger you also need to wait for the time it takes for the arrow to reach target. Compare this to a mesmer: there is no arrow travel time, but the mesmer skills have a longer recharge time. Much longer. So the ranger delay after the shot is just a way of trying to balance the game a bit.
Whether the delay is implemented as a blackout of all skills or a zombie stance of the character is maybe the issue. Anet decided on the latter. And this might be preferred over a skill blackout just for the sake of eye candy: its annoying enough seeing that skillbar go black and all that illusionary rotation as they recharge each time your pet dies and is rezzed.
RTSFirebat
That's all good and fine... IF A.net would discribe the skill accurately!
coolsti
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
That's all good and fine... IF A.net would discribe the skill accurately!
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"If Distracting Shot hits, it interrupts target foe's action but deals only 1-13 damage. If the interrupted action was a skill, that skill is disabled for an additional 20 seconds. Your character goes comatose for x seconds while admiring the brilliance of its performance."
RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by coolsti
Agreed. Should be:
"If Distracting Shot hits, it interrupts target foe's action but deals only 1-13 damage. If the interrupted action was a skill, that skill is disabled for an additional 20 seconds. Your character goes comatose for x seconds while admiring the brilliance of its performance." |
"If Distracting Shot hits, it interrupts target foe's action but deals only 1-13 damage. If the interrupted action was a skill, that skill is disabled for an additional 20 seconds. Your character goes comatose for x seconds while admiring the brilliance of its performance. Also you have a 30% chance of shouting "In your face dude" while two warriors beat you death as you stand about watching the world go by"
hehe
quickmonty
Or .... maybe we can have rangers hanging in mid air while waiting like the eles do before their metoer storm is cast.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by quickmonty
Or .... maybe we can have rangers hanging in mid air while waiting like the eles do before their metoer storm is cast.
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Yamat
Bugged.
/signed.
/signed.
Shwitz
I messaged GW Support about the topic. Here's a copy-paste of the correspondence -
My question:
I understand the motivation for introducing a delay for rangers between using *skills* after an interrupting shot, like Distracting Shot, Concussion Shot, etc. Chaining interrupts is not how they were intended to be used. However, any ranger now, post-9/29 skills update, who fires an interrupt arrow is frozen for the length of the post-interrupt delay. The update log on Thursday, September 29 reads as follows for Distracting Shot (and similarly for the rest of the updated interrupting bow attacks):
Distracting Shot – Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
From what I gathered from that description, a ranger's skills should be unusable for .75 seconds (which I believe is the "aftercast" of other spells and Mesmer interrupts), or however long the "delay" is, but he should still be able to move and fire normal arrows, which seems not to be the case. Was the intent of the added delay to freeze a ranger entirely, or just freeze his skill use?
ArenaNet's response:
Hello,
Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.
We appreciate you taking the time to submit your report. Our development team is aware of the issue you described. While at this time we do not have a specific time frame for a fix to this issue, you can be certain that it will be addressed. You may wish to periodically check http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html for the latest update notes.
It is important to note that we are unable to replace or restore lost items, characters, or experience. Thankfully, instances of such loss are extremely rare, but in any case, we cannot perform any sort of restoration.
We apologize for the inconvenience, but are thankful for your assistance in helping us solve this issue.
Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team
My question:
I understand the motivation for introducing a delay for rangers between using *skills* after an interrupting shot, like Distracting Shot, Concussion Shot, etc. Chaining interrupts is not how they were intended to be used. However, any ranger now, post-9/29 skills update, who fires an interrupt arrow is frozen for the length of the post-interrupt delay. The update log on Thursday, September 29 reads as follows for Distracting Shot (and similarly for the rest of the updated interrupting bow attacks):
Distracting Shot – Added a delay after skill is used before another can be used.
From what I gathered from that description, a ranger's skills should be unusable for .75 seconds (which I believe is the "aftercast" of other spells and Mesmer interrupts), or however long the "delay" is, but he should still be able to move and fire normal arrows, which seems not to be the case. Was the intent of the added delay to freeze a ranger entirely, or just freeze his skill use?
ArenaNet's response:
Hello,
Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.
We appreciate you taking the time to submit your report. Our development team is aware of the issue you described. While at this time we do not have a specific time frame for a fix to this issue, you can be certain that it will be addressed. You may wish to periodically check http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html for the latest update notes.
It is important to note that we are unable to replace or restore lost items, characters, or experience. Thankfully, instances of such loss are extremely rare, but in any case, we cannot perform any sort of restoration.
We apologize for the inconvenience, but are thankful for your assistance in helping us solve this issue.
Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team
Sunman222
Traps
either make then have a % chance to hit teammates as well
or
casting one trap makes them all recharge
because they are pretty abusive in tombs
either make then have a % chance to hit teammates as well
or
casting one trap makes them all recharge
because they are pretty abusive in tombs
Phades
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I've also never seen an ele finish casting then being requried to stand there and admire his work. Yet you call rangers stupid.
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Also, as far as skill descriptions are concerened there are a ton that could stand to get updated. All of the mesmer interupts for instance. Power block should read "If the target is casting a spell, all skills of that attribute line are blacked out for x seconds. The blacked out condition interupts the current skill action and cannot be removed." Instead of it implying that the effect is conditional to the interupt and only affecting spells, which it doesn't, and affects every skill in that selection.