I have a question of manners.
I was to be in the game for a limited time (about an hour) as I have to wake early tomarrow and drive about 3 hours to some training for my job. One of my guildies requested that I help him with the wilds mission. Of course I met him and we joined a group. About 5 min into mission my guildie mysteriously vanishes offline, i'm assuming something came up or his connection came down.
The group leader is like "its ok we don't need him". Which is fine because I'd say the same thing to keep others from bailing and we honestly didn't need a 6 man party for this.
Watching the guild tab tells me he's not returning, and I'm thinking, wow this kinda sucks, I have zero need to do this mission/bonus again, but then again, it would be kind of a jerk move to just bail on them as they've got no other healer type. They don't ask me to stay, and I don't mention leaving. Although I did reply to the don't need comment by stating he's my guildie and I was there to help him out.
Cut to end of mission, we complete the bonus/misson no prob and now we're in bloodstone fen, not one word of thanks for not leaving when my reason to do the mission was removed. I didnt fuss over it at all, just told them "nicely done" and excused myself. But I do wonder if it was reasonable of me to expect a simple thank you for completing the mission with them. It was clear that I didnt need it at all and had no reason to be there other than the fact that I signed on to do the mission in the first place, which doesn't often stop others from doing whatever. I'm not the type to ever demand free rides as a monk, or worse payment for "services" or anything like that. But I think that a thank you would not have been out of place in return for not bailing on that party.
Any thoughts?
Is there a GW miss manners?
Elistan Theocrat
Lasareth
A general rule of doing favors is to do favors not expecting rewards, or even thanks. The reward is often the helping itself 
Don't seek validation by others--if you know what you do is kind or generous, let that knowledge be your reason for feeling good about it.
Don't seek validation by others--if you know what you do is kind or generous, let that knowledge be your reason for feeling good about it.
Jaia Shadowless
The other day, I ran my hubby's new character to Grendich Courthouse and invited a couple random people needing the run along. I did it for free -- I didn't have my character optimized for running, I was just having a good time beating the crap out of a few Charr. I apologized for the relative slowness of the run and explained to our little group that I was helping out my best friend get to the Courthouse (just so there'd be no misunderstandings or irritated players).
Anyway, we all got there, and the only words out of this guy's mouth are "now we run to yaks plz i need it." When I told him that I didn't have time, he dropped without a word. Dude. You're welcome, buddy.
Yeah, people can be rude.
I find I get a lot more out of GW when I expect little and am pleasantly surprised by encountering nice people. That way it doesn't take a lot to impress me, and I generally have a good time. It would be nice to get a thank-you, but at least those people in your group weren't total random jerks.
Anyway, we all got there, and the only words out of this guy's mouth are "now we run to yaks plz i need it." When I told him that I didn't have time, he dropped without a word. Dude. You're welcome, buddy.
Yeah, people can be rude.
I find I get a lot more out of GW when I expect little and am pleasantly surprised by encountering nice people. That way it doesn't take a lot to impress me, and I generally have a good time. It would be nice to get a thank-you, but at least those people in your group weren't total random jerks.
Elistan Theocrat
no indeed they were not, thats why I didn't bother them about it afterwords. They were good, maybe just thinkin about what they gonna do next. I'm just saying I wouldve have been doing the thanking were I a member of that party instead of me.
Ok so here's another one.
I'm playin my mesmer trying to get a skill cap in the iron mines. (i think, the infusion run mission.) Its hard enough to get a group as a mesmer, none of my guildies were on so I was trying to get "mission only" groups because the boss I needed was not on the infusion path. I get a group, and I was very clear that I was in this for the skill cap and that if we do not do infusion run it will take us right to the boss, and as thanks for the help I'd help finish the mission too. Sure enough, we get into the mission and half of the retards suddenly need to do the infusion run. I shouldve just left the group right then, but like a fool I'm willing to still carry on with the group ( turned out I was actually the one to complete the run first and cutscene the dead up ) and do the infusion and do the mission but I explain how I need to go past markis to a very close mesmer boss for the skill cap which is why i'm here. I remind the group as we near markis that we're not done yet according to our agreeance, nope they say FU, hahah we're gonna finish.
How god damned rude is that? After agreeing to help in exchange for mine. I was quite angry, so as they fought the stuff around markis I grabbed the nearest boss (happend to be the ele instead of the mesmer) and drug it over to the fight too. If you wont go with me to one of the bosses I need and fight it, i'll bring it to you. It died, I capped it, and meanwhile markis and friends kick thier asses and mine and they have to start over. Maybe I was out of line draggin the boss over but a deal is a deal.
Ok so here's another one.
I'm playin my mesmer trying to get a skill cap in the iron mines. (i think, the infusion run mission.) Its hard enough to get a group as a mesmer, none of my guildies were on so I was trying to get "mission only" groups because the boss I needed was not on the infusion path. I get a group, and I was very clear that I was in this for the skill cap and that if we do not do infusion run it will take us right to the boss, and as thanks for the help I'd help finish the mission too. Sure enough, we get into the mission and half of the retards suddenly need to do the infusion run. I shouldve just left the group right then, but like a fool I'm willing to still carry on with the group ( turned out I was actually the one to complete the run first and cutscene the dead up ) and do the infusion and do the mission but I explain how I need to go past markis to a very close mesmer boss for the skill cap which is why i'm here. I remind the group as we near markis that we're not done yet according to our agreeance, nope they say FU, hahah we're gonna finish.
How god damned rude is that? After agreeing to help in exchange for mine. I was quite angry, so as they fought the stuff around markis I grabbed the nearest boss (happend to be the ele instead of the mesmer) and drug it over to the fight too. If you wont go with me to one of the bosses I need and fight it, i'll bring it to you. It died, I capped it, and meanwhile markis and friends kick thier asses and mine and they have to start over. Maybe I was out of line draggin the boss over but a deal is a deal.
MJ12trooper
u were in no way out of line I hate it when people act like that it is rude and imature
they deserve to do the mission 4 or 5 times .....and i dont ever want anyone like that in my group doing thunderhead or any other hard missions
little punks wont take orders from anyone not me not guildies no one that has done it before
they deserve to do the mission 4 or 5 times .....and i dont ever want anyone like that in my group doing thunderhead or any other hard missions
little punks wont take orders from anyone not me not guildies no one that has done it before
heist23
i certainly have had player problems like this. just not as often. an eye for an eye is good fun...isn't revenge always?
in your first story, i don't think you should have expected them to thank you for your decision to stick around. either they thought "thank God this guy's sticking around" or they didn't. the few times i've done this, i've never gotten a word of thanks. i've learned not to expect anything from a gaming community.
in your first story, i don't think you should have expected them to thank you for your decision to stick around. either they thought "thank God this guy's sticking around" or they didn't. the few times i've done this, i've never gotten a word of thanks. i've learned not to expect anything from a gaming community.
Dax
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A general rule of doing favors is to do favors not expecting rewards, or even thanks. The reward is often the helping itself
Don't seek validation by others--if you know what you do is kind or generous, let that knowledge be your reason for feeling good about it. |
Heck you will never know how many party members that you never thanked expected one...for whatever reason.
...as far as the second story goes, as the ol saying goes: "Two wrongs don't make a right". You should have said that you were leaving if they didn't live up to the agreement and/or been a nice guy and go along with it.
Volarian
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Originally Posted by Lasareth A general rule of doing favors is to do favors not expecting rewards, or even thanks. The reward is often the helping itself Don't seek validation by others--if you know what you do is kind or generous, let that knowledge be your reason for feeling good about it. Indeed, you do things because you want to...and nothing more. The fact that you were cool is beside the point. I'm sure they appreciated the help, but everyone is playing to have fun, even you (If you weren't then it's your fault). Heck you will never know how many party members that you never thanked expected one...for whatever reason. |
I wouldn't EXPECT a thanks but not getting one would burn my ass just the same to think that there are soo many clueless people in the world, devoid of manners, decency and the smallest amount of good will.
Lasareth
I would agree, but this topic is, in essence, focusing on the fact that he didn't recieve the thanks he thought he deserved. As callous as others may be, it's just common sense not to go into something thinking you'll get something out of it, because most of the time, you'll be disappointed. This isn't a debate on humanity, it's basically a complaint that he didn't get what he wanted.
That's fine, of course. We all have times when we are disappointed, and that's part of life, but to bring it up as a topic of public discussion does indeed show that while he altruistically helped in-game, he was concerned more about recieving thanks than he was about feeling comfortable with the fact that he had indeed gone out of his way and helped others, even if they were ingrates.
That's fine, of course. We all have times when we are disappointed, and that's part of life, but to bring it up as a topic of public discussion does indeed show that while he altruistically helped in-game, he was concerned more about recieving thanks than he was about feeling comfortable with the fact that he had indeed gone out of his way and helped others, even if they were ingrates.
Dax
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I wouldn't EXPECT a thanks but not getting one would burn my ass just the same to think that there are soo many clueless people in the world, devoid of manners, decency and the smallest amount of good will.
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Good deeds are not done to get a reward, they are done out of the goodness of your heart. Getting 'thank you' is nice but if one expects it, they will go through life very unhappy.
Mimi Miyagi
I ran a guy that happened to get me on his friends list around the western part of the map. Since it's stupid to run just one person, I offered to run anyone with the party for free - tips accepted of course.
After running to the next town, not even a word of thanks - and a couple even had the gall to ask me to run them further for free.
I don't mind being generous with my time - if I'm bored I'll do stuff for people just to do something. But I hate being taken advantage of, and a thank you would be nice once in a while. If I get run somewhere whether it's for free or not, I always tip generously and say a heartfelt "thank you" for their time and effort.
But I'm old and expect people to be adults in a world dominated by kiddies. That's my problem.
After running to the next town, not even a word of thanks - and a couple even had the gall to ask me to run them further for free.
I don't mind being generous with my time - if I'm bored I'll do stuff for people just to do something. But I hate being taken advantage of, and a thank you would be nice once in a while. If I get run somewhere whether it's for free or not, I always tip generously and say a heartfelt "thank you" for their time and effort.
But I'm old and expect people to be adults in a world dominated by kiddies. That's my problem.
Guillaume De Sonoma
About a month after beating Thunderhead I went back with my W/Mo and finnaly got a party because ijust wanted to do it again. Well apparently no one on the group had a clue what the arrgo circle was. Well after me and 1 monk who knew how to beat it had rezzed them several times we get to the fort area and you have to clear out all those guys then wait half an hour for the waves of three. Well I talked to the monk who said he had done it before and we kept going through the mission and the other tank liked to arrgo a lot so the monk and I came up with an idea to use the enchant, I think undieing aura or something, but rez him with it and everytime he arrgos a group were not ready for we let the enchant go. His responses were so funny WTF hacks, RE Z ME noW stupid Monnnk, and so on. in the end he left we beat it and me and the monk had a good laugh.
m0gden
Due to my friend's constantly making new characters and never being satisfied with their own I find myself helping them. A lot. Whenever I sit down to run a friend I always give other people chances to join for free, which I did last night.
I was in Augury and decided to run my friend to all six towns so that he would not only get the Co-op's finished for ascension but also make it easy to finish a 15 attribute quest. Before I left Augury only one other person wanted to come with us (it was late, not very busy). As I ran my friend this other guy was AFK or just doing something else. Due to the fact that I hate running from certain areas to others I had quite often requested that we would fast travel to Augury and run again from there. After waiting for twenty minutes this guy finally comes back and apologizes while promising a large tip because I waited. Nice guy? Nadda. End of the run he signs off quickly.
I don't have a problem running for free, that is what it started as. But to not even say thanks when leaving, even without giving me the "large tip" he promised, is down right rude.
I was in Augury and decided to run my friend to all six towns so that he would not only get the Co-op's finished for ascension but also make it easy to finish a 15 attribute quest. Before I left Augury only one other person wanted to come with us (it was late, not very busy). As I ran my friend this other guy was AFK or just doing something else. Due to the fact that I hate running from certain areas to others I had quite often requested that we would fast travel to Augury and run again from there. After waiting for twenty minutes this guy finally comes back and apologizes while promising a large tip because I waited. Nice guy? Nadda. End of the run he signs off quickly.
I don't have a problem running for free, that is what it started as. But to not even say thanks when leaving, even without giving me the "large tip" he promised, is down right rude.
Sekkira
I personally am not one to give thanks to someone. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate what they done or take it for granted, it's just not in my nature to do so.
If Ms. Manners slaps me on the back of the head for that, I'm inclined to turn around and give it right back.
If Ms. Manners slaps me on the back of the head for that, I'm inclined to turn around and give it right back.
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
When my monk was cap'n elites in fire island chain (missions) I never bailed on the groups once I got my skill(s)(lots of skills to be captured for Mo/N/R/Me/E/W)
man; Ring of Fire and Abbadons mouth over and over high seccess rate...
I still get wispers asking to be in groups.
And dont get me started about Hell's Precipice... I'm a pro puller on that mission, no questions about it.
Last skill she needed to buy was res signet... ALL SKILLS Aquired i should post a video soon about her... for all you haters.
man; Ring of Fire and Abbadons mouth over and over high seccess rate...
I still get wispers asking to be in groups.
And dont get me started about Hell's Precipice... I'm a pro puller on that mission, no questions about it.
Last skill she needed to buy was res signet... ALL SKILLS Aquired i should post a video soon about her... for all you haters.
Fantus
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Wow...
Good deeds are not done to get a reward, they are done out of the goodness of your heart. Getting 'thank you' is nice but if one expects it, they will go through life very unhappy. |
But sadly enough, you're right - if you expect even this little sign of appreciation for your help, you are going to be utterly disappointed. People probably think they are cool if they trick people into helping them without having to give anything back ever. But building your own fortune upon the expense of others is just the way our whole society is, isn't it? Why should GW be different? *shrugs*
Just don't expect me to have any respect for you (as a player OR as a human) if you don't show the slightest trace of manners - trust me, I don't.
AncientPC
When I run a friend or guildie from Beacon's to Droks I pick up a lot of people for no charge. It does bug me a bit when they drop instantly when we hit Droks without saying thanks.
Arathorn5000
The problem is that PvE missions are fairly easy, group members are a dime a dozen, and even henchies will get the job done. So most people don't think to thank someone for simply not leaving. In their mind it was you not being a jerk, not that they were being jerks.
Charcoal Ann
ahhh...
i have done this many a time. i have done great northern wall, nolani academy and Elona reach more times than i care to remember. with my healer. i don't expect thanks. i do it because i enjoy those missions. sometimes i get thanked. rarely people actually give me stuff.
on my 10+th time through Thirsty River (with a bloke who said he was pissed with it) i found a gold drop, after finishing they all thaked me and one gave me a superior rune of healing that they found during the mission. the gold drop that i found was a superior absorption.
Karma. The world will thank you for your goodness. have patience. You Will have Your reward in this World or the Next. Have Faith.
i have done this many a time. i have done great northern wall, nolani academy and Elona reach more times than i care to remember. with my healer. i don't expect thanks. i do it because i enjoy those missions. sometimes i get thanked. rarely people actually give me stuff.
on my 10+th time through Thirsty River (with a bloke who said he was pissed with it) i found a gold drop, after finishing they all thaked me and one gave me a superior rune of healing that they found during the mission. the gold drop that i found was a superior absorption.
Karma. The world will thank you for your goodness. have patience. You Will have Your reward in this World or the Next. Have Faith.
Sister Rosette
^Agreed. For every person you help out there who offers no thanks
or even acknowledgement there's at least 1 other person who will.
Just a law of averages.
or even acknowledgement there's at least 1 other person who will.
Just a law of averages.
FL Prime
I have recently started my first monk character, a role where you render help to others. Some might expect that upon receiving help one would offer thanks in return.....this is not the case usually however. I do derive my own enjoyment from doing a good job as a monk, keeping everyone alive (even foolish ones who prolly deserve to die anyway) If I do get a compliment (which I did get last night ) that just makes it better.
I've only just arrived at Nolani so I know the tough stuff, atttudes and rudness will only increase - I just hope the "job satisfaction" alone is enough to see me through ......along with an occasional thank you.
) that just makes it better.I've only just arrived at Nolani so I know the tough stuff, atttudes and rudness will only increase - I just hope the "job satisfaction" alone is enough to see me through ......along with an occasional thank you.
c33sh0nd
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I have recently started my first monk character, a role where you render help to others. Some might expect that upon receiving help one would offer thanks in return.....this is not the case usually however. I do derive my own enjoyment from doing a good job as a monk, keeping everyone alive (even foolish ones who prolly deserve to die anyway) If I do get a compliment (which I did get last night
) that just makes it better.I've only just arrived at Nolani so I know the tough stuff, atttudes and rudness will only increase - I just hope the "job satisfaction" alone is enough to see me through ......along with an occasional thank you. |
i think monks dont need a thanl you, any more then any other character. warrior hits stuff a elementalist fried stuff a ranger shoots stuff.. they all do what they are made to do, as a monk heals stuff. so i never really think the monk, but the whole group :P
FL Prime
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i think monks dont need a thanl you, any more then any other character. warrior hits stuff a elementalist fried stuff a ranger shoots stuff.. they all do what they are made to do, as a monk heals stuff. so i never really think the monk, but the whole group :P
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Charcoal Ann
^umm^ don't the stickies tell you not to post in 1337 speak?
anyway
i know of a warrior who was the only tank in an FoW group. That tank got much in the way of great tanking, you are doing a good job and keep it up! now THAT is rare. i don't see why monks should be thanked when warriors, mesmers, rangers or necromancers are left out. (never heard of anyone say wow great necromancing!). Monks are supposed to monk, warriors are supposed to warrior(ify)
if they do a really good job then say so (as i know many do). if, however, the warrior is tanking well then you should also thank them. i have been in groups where an extraordinarily good aggro manageing warrior got us through.
any class can do a good job, why should monks be singled out for praise?
anyway
i know of a warrior who was the only tank in an FoW group. That tank got much in the way of great tanking, you are doing a good job and keep it up! now THAT is rare. i don't see why monks should be thanked when warriors, mesmers, rangers or necromancers are left out. (never heard of anyone say wow great necromancing!). Monks are supposed to monk, warriors are supposed to warrior(ify)
if they do a really good job then say so (as i know many do). if, however, the warrior is tanking well then you should also thank them. i have been in groups where an extraordinarily good aggro manageing warrior got us through.
any class can do a good job, why should monks be singled out for praise?
FL Prime
Yes, I am seeing the light. Every class has a role and all can be good at what they do and are deserving of praise when they do it right. It just seems that in PvE a Tank a nuker or other non-monk profession deals with a predictable AI that can be counted on, to some extent, to act in a certain predictable way. (Not saying at all that this makes their job easy) Now the monk has to deal with the human players who cannot always be counted on to act rationally and when you still manage to keep the group upright dispite some silly tactics by your group......well it seems you have gone beyond the normal requirements and mabe a small thank you would be in order. However, people who use silly tactics and act irationally probably don't know they are acting out of the norm and thus will not realize that someone else has been busting their ass to keep everyone among the living.
Now just to let you know..... I still don't "expect" thanks but it makes me feel good if someone notices a great effort when they see it. Just as a great tank would appreciate the props. I'm not trying to set the monk on a pedastal or anything like that. He's just another member of the team. I just made my first monk and I'm kinda caught up in the whole save the world thing so forgive my enthusiasm........I'm sure in a couple of days I'll be bitter and hostile but for now - let me enjoy the cloud I'm on.
Now just to let you know..... I still don't "expect" thanks but it makes me feel good if someone notices a great effort when they see it. Just as a great tank would appreciate the props. I'm not trying to set the monk on a pedastal or anything like that. He's just another member of the team. I just made my first monk and I'm kinda caught up in the whole save the world thing so forgive my enthusiasm........I'm sure in a couple of days I'll be bitter and hostile but for now - let me enjoy the cloud I'm on.
Hanuman li Tosh
if you dont say GG at the end of a game where there was no cheating you arent an online gamer youre a noob. unfortunately, if noobs could fly GW would be LAX.
Dax
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A simple "thank you" is not a "reward" at all - at least not in the way a tip is, since typing in two words DOESN'T COST YOU A THING!. I think even the most lazy person on earth should be mature enough to type in these two words if someone just sacrificed an hour of their time to help them - especially since it takes like 10 seconds to do it.
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Sorry you don't agree and I feel bad for people who expect to get a thank you everytime they do something for someone because it ain't gonna happen everytime. Yes people should say thank you, does that mean we all should stop doing nice things when they don't?
Heck maybe the Fighter wanted a thank you for tanking too. Hrmm maybe we should be on the safe side and do a global 'thank you' just in case we acidentally miss someone.
..and cmon I'd say playing a game isn't a sacrifice, grow up.
oh and thank you for reading
Mimi Miyagi
Like I said, for me it's not just playing missions with a character, at the end of a mission if we do a good job, I'll state so before the party breaks up. If a monk is doing an exceptional job, I might note it during the mission, but I won't go out of my way of thanking anyone for doing their part. I will always say "ty" for a rez if I happen to die, but that's just good form.
But when people provide a service for a group of people - for free - they should get some sort of acknowledgement back for their work. To not do so is just lame and displays poor manners, a reflection of the "me" mentality so prevalent in today's society. To state "you shouldn't expect a thank you" is a losers excuse for not having the common courtesy to be polite. I'm not getting upset that I don't get a thank you, I get upset that our society as a whole has come up with excuses NOT be bothered with even the most simple, basic, etiquette.
And to top it off, people expect to not only get everything for free without thanks, they have no qualms for asking for MORE even after getting their service for free to begin with - and still not saying thanks.
Gimme gimme gimme. I got mine get yours. So sad.
But when people provide a service for a group of people - for free - they should get some sort of acknowledgement back for their work. To not do so is just lame and displays poor manners, a reflection of the "me" mentality so prevalent in today's society. To state "you shouldn't expect a thank you" is a losers excuse for not having the common courtesy to be polite. I'm not getting upset that I don't get a thank you, I get upset that our society as a whole has come up with excuses NOT be bothered with even the most simple, basic, etiquette.
And to top it off, people expect to not only get everything for free without thanks, they have no qualms for asking for MORE even after getting their service for free to begin with - and still not saying thanks.
Gimme gimme gimme. I got mine get yours. So sad.
Shadowspawn X
Nobody deserves any thanks for playing guild wars and fufilling their role. I'm a ranger and never got any thanks regardless of what I did on any mission/quest and I've done plenty. I've noticed that most people have a tilted perception of what is happening on the battlefield anyway. "Everyone one is the star of their own movie" when playing. I notice that warriors take alot of credit for things they arn't responsible for at all. And n00bs hollaring "good nukes",and "good healing" when a mesmer or ranger is responsible for the victory. Especially people who don't do 8v8 pvp or FoW often. They really only see themselves and maybe a small corner of the battlefield if you are lucky. so instead of listening to the misplaced attaboys I personally prefer for everyone to STFU and just do the quest. Of course gg is always in good taste at the end of the run.
Congrats, You Go Girl!
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ALL SKILLS Aquired i should post a video soon about her... for all you haters.
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Barinthus
I didn't read everything...
basically don't stress over it. Some people are pricks and some are not. Simple like that.
I'm one of those who would stick with a group no matter what but lately I realize my time is precious so if I have absolutely no reason for being a group and they are being total jerks or whatever, I will warn them. If they continue to act so, I just leave.
That bloodstone fen mission, for instance, I clearly stated again and again that I want to do the bonus as well as the mission. In the mission we passed the fork in the path to take for the bonus and I'm like what the heck. They're like oh we don't need to do that, blah blah, you're lvl 20, u don't need exp, blah blah blah. A elementalist and I wound up splitting up and did the bonus on our own before they finished the mission.
basically don't stress over it. Some people are pricks and some are not. Simple like that.
I'm one of those who would stick with a group no matter what but lately I realize my time is precious so if I have absolutely no reason for being a group and they are being total jerks or whatever, I will warn them. If they continue to act so, I just leave.
That bloodstone fen mission, for instance, I clearly stated again and again that I want to do the bonus as well as the mission. In the mission we passed the fork in the path to take for the bonus and I'm like what the heck. They're like oh we don't need to do that, blah blah, you're lvl 20, u don't need exp, blah blah blah. A elementalist and I wound up splitting up and did the bonus on our own before they finished the mission.
EF2NYD
I run people for free to Droknars and its rather fun when they say things like "i want to be like you when i grow up!"
smurfhunter
rage quit meter: [-----------------------]---||
Dax
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Like I said, for me it's not just playing missions with a character, at the end of a mission if we do a good job, I'll state so before the party breaks up. If a monk is doing an exceptional job, I might note it during the mission, but I won't go out of my way of thanking anyone for doing their part. I will always say "ty" for a rez if I happen to die, but that's just good form.
But when people provide a service for a group of people - for free - they should get some sort of acknowledgement back for their work. To not do so is just lame and displays poor manners, a reflection of the "me" mentality so prevalent in today's society. To state "you shouldn't expect a thank you" is a losers excuse for not having the common courtesy to be polite. I'm not getting upset that I don't get a thank you, I get upset that our society as a whole has come up with excuses NOT be bothered with even the most simple, basic, etiquette. And to top it off, people expect to not only get everything for free without thanks, they have no qualms for asking for MORE even after getting their service for free to begin with - and still not saying thanks. Gimme gimme gimme. I got mine get yours. So sad. |
Once again..wow
Bottom line is- Yes acknowledgment of good deeds are nice, but if you expect to get a 'thank you' don't hold your breath. If you get upset over this and have the attitude that it's somehow societies fault, you're just going to make yourself angry and miserable. If that's the way you wanna go through life, go for it.
Oh and thinking you should get a 'thank you' not charging being in a group in GW is just plain silly.
Thanks for reading (I wouldn't want to cause anyone any grief)
Hanuman li Tosh
agreed to expect thanks is futile, but like i said if you doont even say GG thats just plain rude.
Dax
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Originally Posted by Hanuman li Tosh
agreed to expect thanks is futile, but like i said if you doont even say GG thats just plain rude.
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From my times playin' MMOs, I've found people for the most part to be really cool. Some folks just are not very vocal, or can't understand english because they are ina different country.
Scourgey
You all seem to forget quite a lot of the ppl who play this game, aren't all that mature (that includes some ppl over 18 as well), and so they probably haven't learnt their lessons in manners.
To the original poster, I would have simply made an excuse and quit the mission in that situation, there's little reason to play the mission if you aren't getting any enjoyment from it, which seems to be the case from what you are saying. But I wouldn't put myself in that situation to start with, I find henchmen much more reliable in terms of ability and not quitting. If you have to abort the mission halfway you don't end up being rude to anyone!
To the original poster, I would have simply made an excuse and quit the mission in that situation, there's little reason to play the mission if you aren't getting any enjoyment from it, which seems to be the case from what you are saying. But I wouldn't put myself in that situation to start with, I find henchmen much more reliable in terms of ability and not quitting. If you have to abort the mission halfway you don't end up being rude to anyone!
glenn_rolfe
yeah, don't forget half the people you are playing with are idiot teens that think the word "noob" is funny, and doing stupid things is funny. Like "do it this way. whattf? noob!" *drop*.
Try getting your PvE groups on TS/Vent - that'll make your group tighter, and help you weed out idiots.
Try getting your PvE groups on TS/Vent - that'll make your group tighter, and help you weed out idiots.
Xue Yi Liang
One guy was trying to form a party for one of the Titan quests. Since I was one of the rare monks standing around he PMed me about helping them out. I didn't need the quest, but accepted the invite as my "good deed for the day." Well, after 5 minutes looking for other members he decides, all of a sudden, that he wants to do something else. So he just quits without warning leaving me there with a couple of other people. I PMed him asking what happened ... All he said was, "sry. I just changed my mind." I was doing this guy a favor - at least he could have PMed me instead of just quitting like that.
Ristaron
Life is easier if you realize that people are stupid and rude. It also makes your day when you encounter a nice person.
Even on a regular day basis I get irritated to no end by random people I come across.
Example of idiocy:
I attend high school, and I was using the microwave in the cafeteria and there was a bit of a line behind me. Another student came by and stood pretty much beside me, and it was obvious he was about to cut the line when I was done. So I move between him and the microwave, of course.
I hadn't set the timer for long enough, so when I felt my food after the timer ended I decided to quickly put it in for another 30 seconds, and the little brat asks "can I put my pizza pop in with that?"
I look at him for a moment "No!"
While my food is finishing the run I look at him again.
"Dude, are you better than everyone else in line? Go to the back!"
"Well, I have somewhere to be.."
"And what, nobody else in this line does? I doubt you talked to any of them before you planted your ass in front of them all, therefore you do not know. Go to the back of the line!"
Abashed and embarrased, he turns and sulks his way to the back of the line, and all the people smile at me for standing up for fairness.
Moral of the story: tell the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-sticks off and fight for fairness with all your power, society will think better of you.
Even on a regular day basis I get irritated to no end by random people I come across.
Example of idiocy:
I attend high school, and I was using the microwave in the cafeteria and there was a bit of a line behind me. Another student came by and stood pretty much beside me, and it was obvious he was about to cut the line when I was done. So I move between him and the microwave, of course.
I hadn't set the timer for long enough, so when I felt my food after the timer ended I decided to quickly put it in for another 30 seconds, and the little brat asks "can I put my pizza pop in with that?"
I look at him for a moment "No!"
While my food is finishing the run I look at him again.
"Dude, are you better than everyone else in line? Go to the back!"
"Well, I have somewhere to be.."
"And what, nobody else in this line does? I doubt you talked to any of them before you planted your ass in front of them all, therefore you do not know. Go to the back of the line!"
Abashed and embarrased, he turns and sulks his way to the back of the line, and all the people smile at me for standing up for fairness.
Moral of the story: tell the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-sticks off and fight for fairness with all your power, society will think better of you.
Jakerius
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"Hi, I'm a Ranger"
"Hi, I don't like you, I don't need you, I'm not going to thank you for doing a good job, but I feel sorry for you so you can come"
*After an exceptional job*
"Damn Ranger, did you do anything in that whole mish?"
- Excerpt from "Life of a Ranger: No Thanks" by Jakerius
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Originally Posted by Dax
Bottom line is- Yes acknowledgment of good deeds are nice, but if you expect to get a 'thank you' don't hold your breath.
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Gimme gimme gimme. I got mine get yours. So sad.
To the OP: As Lasareth said (oddly I find myself agreeing with a lot of things he says) the reward is in the deed itself, and knowing you did a good job. Don't expect thanks from a lot of people, it's a MMORPG. Most players aren't old enough to know what "Thank You" means.