Do people still play this game?

PvP competition is pretty much dead, but yeah, people still play the PvE aspect.

So only less then 10 guilds play PvP? This is what you call defence?!

His opinions were shared by many people who played the beta, who were eventually beaten to death in this forum (or even banned, like Be-Dac, a beta-tester and former Blood Eagle leader) as people couldn't stand their arrogance anymore. You say your little elitist friends who think they're better at it than anyone else left? That's good news for us all.

I played the beta too and I enjoy the game for what it was and what it became. I have some complaints on continued bugs in tombs, and the economy from people not treating as a Game economy and instead like a inflation economy for outside resell.

But the game itself is everything I hoped for while beta testing.

As to the arrogance of the players. its getting worse. every day... I just started turning off chat anymore. most can not handle themselves in a way that is fitting a game, and have to act like they are the pimp daddy on the block with all the b!tches in line. Whatever. Win a game say gg ad move on. Loose a game say gg and try again... Don't go complaining and crying about a build or whatever... Tombs is not the place for a PUG any longer, so don't even bother trying or you will be ridiculed as a worthless player. I'm not saying you are, its just the general attitude anymore... Which I hate.

As to the starter of this thread, IMO this is more propaganda for other games suffering by the success of a Subscription Free MMO that is GuildWars. Typically they frequent our forums and taunt us as cheap a$$ people for not playing their games instead of Guild Wars. Well maybe so, but I don't feel like Shelling out $50, just for the honor of getting ripped off for a further $150 a year to play a game. No. Not worth it. never will be.

as you all know GW is on a update Chapter model. That is about to be tested. If successful expect to see more like this model popping up.

Chapter 2 is expected to be around $20... same with Chapter 3. That's all of 2006 right there...
SO add up with me. Initial Retail game... $45 + $23 + $23 = $91 That's from launch to end of 2006 total cost.

Now lets take one of the other MMOs on the same time table for equivalent gaming.

$56 + (2 months free) + $14 * 4 (for rest of 2005) + $14 * 12 (for 2006)=
$280 For the same time frame as the above estimate with Chapter 2 and Chapter 3. This includes absolutely no expansions on the Subscription MMO either which would be expected in this time frame and would likely add another $23 or so for it.

GW total end of 2006 = $91
Other MMO Total end of 2006 = $280+

I ask you, what would any sane person choose?

Guild Wars sold a lot of copies by grooming itself as a Free MMO. I'm not too certain the backlash it caused was worth it. That is, of hardcore PvE players being pissed off because it doesn't do enough to basically be Diablo 3 or whatever MMO they play and hardcore PvP players who found that the environment not to their liking due to initially slow unlocks and a horrible matching service.

Don't get me wrong, I like Guild Wars a lot. I just think their poorly balanced rewards for playing like a fanatic PvEr and effort it took to be flexible in PvP ultimately pissed off a lot of players, including the established fan base from before release. Guild Wars made a bold choice in trying to mess with and combine the formula of hack n' slash and PvP Arena games.

It just seems that most gamers prefer and in fact expect new games to just be revamped clones wrapped up in prettier packages.

Oh I forgot one more thing...
Other MMO ... Miss 1 month, Your character is lost forever...

GW ... Miss buying a chapter, your character is still preserved and you can continue to play at your will, even if you leave for something else for a month or so, just not the new content till you buy the chapter.

Now I have played Everquest 1 and 2, Worlds of Warcraft, Matrix Online, SW Galaxies, in betas. I have also played City of Heroes, and City of Villains in beta from this publisher. Guild Wars is the only game of any of these I have consistently returned too with joy. City of villains might snag me, but not for long as I can not afford a subscription model. It is a principle thing... I don't believe in it so I don't like supporting it. However the GW Free to play, paid chapter model is something I can get behind 100%. If it is proven successful I see 2006 being a good year for this to mature throughout the MMO gaming world.

If I remember correctly, Chapter 2 is going to be full blown retail price (ie. $50) because it's going to have just as much content as Chapter 1, basically a whole new game.

you are correct and i will pay it gladly (i am a full blown carebear because even if it needs a lot of work i still have fun)

EDIT

from GW site showing it will be a full game at full game price (OPTIONAL)

I will play it as well. Since Civ4 and Silly Sid have lets us down with a horrible release. People complained about Guild Wars? At least the Devs put allot effort to fix mistakes.

What are you talking about? Civ4 is doing pretty damn well.

Yeah, but civ is also a dangerous black hole for time. You think to yourself, "Just one more turn, just one more turn, just one more turn" and the next thing you know its daylight, but somehow you remeber it was dark at some point when you were playing.

it got me addicted, now i play WoW and i havent seen guildwars in.... since i got WoW...

I was pointing out some of the Guilds that have been playing since beta, or were created by people who have been playing since beta after release. It's by no means all of the hardcore PvPers, and I didn't intend it to be. I was just saying that the idea that 'none of the hardcore pvpers still play' is stupid. I know they still play, because my guild faces them in GvG, very regularly.

I agree, 600k is nothing..How many people have a mill in gold and at least that much in ecto and shards??

The Millionaires Club lives..

All I care about in life right now is getting a 15>50 Crystalline [req 8]. Seeing as how they are ONLY in guild wars right now, I'm gonna play untill I get one.. without buying GW money off the net

I loved GW, but as a non-pvp person it's on the back-burner until something interesting happens. I played it constantly from full release until about a month ago. Too much competition with Football Manager, Civ 4 (whats wrong with it ?) ect, ect. My latest hobby is waiting to see how Lionhead are going to stuff up The Movies, seeing as how they bolloxed up Fable and B&W 2....


Edited because I have forgotten how to spell...

there's another thing to farm in GW.

fame

oh yeah so you can join some half-ass group of whiny kids telling each other on how they should play their builds. This, of course, takes an hour, and it will only take 5 minutes for it to breakdown because they get beaten by either a modified IWAY, ranger spike, or error 7.

Yeah, fame, it's so worth it.

you farm fame by holding halls till the 40 point, not by playing iway.

with ranger spike then..

ok farm fame with ranger spike .

And, again, the PvE players aren't bitching and moaning. The PvP players are. Especially the l33t3st, who got in the beta and were subsequently disappointed that they didn't get a huge advantage over the mere mortals who bought the game after release, as they of course had every right to expect.

I would really like to repeat that, as it seems to be such a damn hard concept for many to grasp: the PvE players aren't complaining.

I bought the game one week after release, and the PvP players were bitching and moaning then. They're bitching and moaning now. They'll be bitching and moaning a year from now.

But I'm being unfair here. The PvP players in general aren't bitching and moaning, the battle.net kiddies are. You know them, the l33t guys who cheated and duped in Diablo2 (and are quite upset they can't in GW), the guys who wont report a bug they can exploit unless everyone already knows about it. Some of them are good players, some are bad players, most of them even Jesus would consider shit wrapped in skin, but above all they share the heartfelt belief that they're teh l33t and better than the mere mortals polluting the servers with their presence.

They bitch and moan, but not because there's anything actually wrong. They bitch and moan because they hope to get ANet to give them preferential treatment so they can pwn nubbs, as is their god-given right and the natural order of the world. There's nothing a battle.net kiddie hates more than a level playingfield. Except possibly when one of their favorite exploits get found out and fixed.

PvE players don't bitch and moan, because they don't want ANet to help them dominate other players and don't rely on bugs and exploits. They just play the game.

EDIT: Now, THESE are the words of a PvE'er:
That's what PvE'ers do when they get bored with a MMORPG: they move on. And you do get bored of MMORPGs. Average for WoW is apparently five months, IMO it's about the same for Guildwars - if you're a PvE'er. PvP'ers seem to last much shorter. Or at least they claim to.

As a new person first getting the game and playing it straight through buying much needed weapons and armor on the way, how many of you could get 600k in a month? Hell it took me half a month just to get to the desert. Once I got there, I still had to ascend, get attribute quests, and cap the really good spells before I could farm efficiently. I did not waste my time in towns selling equipment because I never know how much to ask and I didn't get anything good until I started farming.

Remember this is as a new person. Ie...not knowing the fastest way, not paying for runs, not knowing the bonus, or having money/material to get good armor right off the bat...and if you were a mes, ranger, or necro, it was even harder at the beginning just trying to find a group to do missions. Now if I started as a new character, I probably could but when I first got the game, no way!

Uhm...the recent skill changes and balances are all made because PvP players want a level playing field. Wasn't it the "uber farming monks" that were the most displeased with recent skill changes and the nerfing of their precious(but unmistakenly overpowered) protective bond?? As far as I can tell the PvP players want the skills to be balanced(for the most part) and the PvE players want the skills to remain as they have been since release(probably due to a lack of ability to adapt to new situations using different skills)....I'm just not clear as to where you got your information in regards to PvP players wanting to "uber pwn the nubbs"

every night after playing Guild Wars i get in a shower curl up like a ball in the corner and rock back and fore shouting who am i who am i.........





Jk

Some of them are. Lack of challenge, no unique items, and the game not even telling you how much damage you can deal with your weapon. They are not as vocal as the PvP, but I've seen some PvErs compalin.

Of course they are bitching. Where is the guild storage? Why can't we switch our builds on the fly? Why is tombs still shit?

It's very hard to top shit in this game and be well-known about it. The people who are 'famous' in GW are either assholes, guys who win HOH a lot, or people who run totally unique builds.

Although it is funny to hear before the fight "MarkyX, don't shut down our monks. They're new."

Um...wrong.

Most of the complaints is because of the false advertising done by anet. "Time over skill", "No grinding", "Streaming updates"? Pfft...right.

I complain a lot because they can easily get a lot of shit fixed in no time but they refuse to, because they want to cater to the lowest common dominator. Anet doesn't have tutorials or good premades, and they refuse to anything that totally screws up the competition or lowers the bar for players (rank, ranger spike, HOH setup, IWAY, just to name a few). Don't get me started on the half-ass builds on Guild of the Week or that 1up inter view.

I could go on and on, but this is Anet we're talking about. They wouldn't listen to logic, just money.

I miss you old buddy. You were the only trashtalker after my own heart. And you seriously could lay the pre-searing beatdown. Alas, my friend Krelborn Arrowstorm has thwacked an arrow into your forehead as you catered to the undead lich. Why did they have to kill you?! I liked the trashtalking. Noone else in the game trashtalks the way you do, Prince!

You're my idol!


[PS]: You know you're addicted to Guild Wars when you rush into a bar brawl and yell, "SHIELDS UP!" and "WATCH YOURSELF!"

--The shim

im not going to count the actual threads on the first page alone that prove your statement wrong, im just gonna say check you facts before you post.

I think time played should be measured in hours (via /age) and not real-life time because obviouisly everyone plays at a different rate.

600k in a single month is believable. I hit 1 million within 400 hours, but that's probably because I spent 300 hours trading.

It also depends how you spend your time, obviously I spent mine trading. If you spent 400 hours playing PvP, PvE storyline and not trading / solo farming you'll gain gold at a much slower rate but it all depends on what you find fun.

im ready to bet with anyone that , we will have a massive population on chapter 2.

Have u gotten all skills for your character, have you tried switching secondary and try new builds.
There is always things to do in this game.

I don't plan on playing monk, so monk is out.

If I bring a unique build to tombs, no one will want it. If, for example, I bring an axe warrior using Cleave, I wouldn't be able to join a group.

*waits for someone to say cleave sucks, proving that once again the community for GW is killing the pvp competition*

Cleave sucks.

people can say what they say , but im sure ..

ITS A GOOD GAME !

been playing since worldpreview and got the game 10 of may , and im sure i will play for 1 more year minimum.if GW3 is out , im there too ...

to answer the OP's question "YES"

Wow, trolling much?

Anyone that thinks all there is to do in a videogame is reach the highest numeric level is missing out on a loooooooot of great experiences.

You stopped playing because you got one character to level 20 and had 60k? Did you try a different class, different secondaries, different character builds, forming a guild, GvG, arenas, tombs, solo farming, FoW/UW/SF questing/farming, trying new team builds, etc etc?

If you didn't see the potential this game had when you first started playing it, you probably never will.

Bravo. Damn good post. It's rare that I read a post that makes me grin stupidly at the realization that there are people out there thinking exactly what I'm thinking, but here I am, grinning. The battle.net teh 133t bit was absolutely spot-on.

I have pretty much quit i played for around four months in that time i made a grand total of one million plat and 56 ectos i beat the game in 30 days and well i rarely log in anymore becuase i am bored of all of my games i need to save up and buy a new game i am sooo bored lol.

We pvp players may be horrible people who leave the game in a few days, but I just can't help myself advising pve players who are bored of the game to give pvp a try.

its true , im mostly pve player , and i cant get bored ... i havent done everyquest yet , becose i dont want to , i like to do it slowly ... and i use guildwars as a chat room also .. so dont really need anything special to keep me going in ...

pvp - i have fame 48 , i know its nothing , dont even have emote , but was already a good experience with voice chat teams , it rocks !!! im sure its where the adrenaline goes higher in this game ... too high for many people.

i want to play pvp , but not before i have a good friendly guild to go in with , and fell safe of anything.

Well, there are good and friendly guilds out there that would be happy to invite you, with rank 48 and all that. Just ask for a guild when in tombs (you will get a lot of posts, just ask some questions and you will find a nice one), or join a guild team in tombs and if you like the other players, ask if you can join.