I'm having a lot of fun... but I'm having it by myself.

I hear lots of complaints about this... But I dont hear any suggestions of how to resolve it. and you cant tell the entire community to 'behave'.. just accept the fact that there will always be this problem.

So the REAL problem is people feel they HAVE to team with other human players!!
why?..
Because Henchmen are rubbish?...
nonsense I say..
LEARN HOW HENCHMEN PLAY... once you take the time to study the moves they use, the patterns they follow.. and most important, the CORRECT combination of henchmen..you be very suprised how good they actually are!

I have a friend who has NEVER played the game before retail and prefers to play solo.. he has gone through nearly ALL the missions and main quests in the game with JUST henchmen... (and occasionally a snowman)

So it really annoys me when people complain about the community, its just a sign that your too lazy to spend time learning how to play solo.

And if you absoloutly, positivly MUST play with real players... then, well I'm sorry but thats your problem, and its your CHOICE to find, organise and get to know a decent guild or collection of friends or like-minded people.

Stop complaining about bad experiences with the community... its like complaining about the weather, or pissing into the wind. - Its almost as if people are scratching around for something to complain about and this is the best they can come up with.

The Snowman

Your statement and conclusion are contradicting each other. You're telling people to accept the fact that they can't change the community, but you're telling everyone to stop complaining... Very smart remark there.

Heh..........I'm sorry but what are you trying to say?

You cant change it, stop comlpaining. Sounds rational to me......................

Statement: You can't change the way people behave. (They complain)
Conclusion: Stop complaining. (I'm trying to change you)

He is saying you can't change the comunity, so just stop complaining.

But the complaining is part of the community so he's trying to change it anyway even though he's telling everyone they can't.

While you two run around in circles, I'm just going to say

I know, how dare he vent his problem and ask for help on a forum board? Where's the rational in that?

Aye, but its two diferent communitys. (GW, GWG)

He is telling the people here the truth, no matter what you do you cant change it. Then he states his opinon that they should just stop complaining.

I understand what you mean, I just see no problem in what he said.


EDIT: First of all nether of us said "how dare he", read before you post.
secondly, why did you feel the need to post this, flame bait?

Heh, quick forum quip- why did everyone feel the need to respond :P
On topic though- Snowman- I can see why you'd say that but I can't say I agree with your reasonings. Guild wars is setup at every facet of the game to be one of human involvement, partying, guild recruitment and community. In fact, you cannot get through the entire game on henchmen, particularly the end content (of RP)- henchmen are more just "fillers" for that time when it's damn impossible to find a healer/warrior/mage/whatever tickles your fancy for a filler.

So I can see you saying that no one is suggesting means with which to resolve these problems, and in response to all the "tell everyone off, request a few thousand people to adhere to your ideas of moral guidelines" remarks, you must all have been drastically lucky (and brave!) when you claim to have accomplished this. Usually it would only be a means of feeding the fire(storm) as there are currently no repurcussions for spammers (that i'm aware of!).

So yeah, I've tried to suggest a few alternatives (LFG channel), a method of reporting abusive/spamming players to the GMs (even if it is confined to the website) and having sufficient action taken against them more as a preventative means than anything else.
Then there's always the possibility of meeting stones, a means of allocating equal level players to a group, ensuring the necessary (Read: warrior and monk) professions are filled, and then filtering out if a match can't be found...these sorts of ideas are what we need to be putting together (preferably in a cohesive manner).

>So it really annoys me when people complain about the community, its just a sign that your too lazy to spend time learning how to play solo.

Lazy...learn to play....solo...

Antisocial is an admirable quality...why? An antisocial person contributes zero to a team-based game.

No, it just irritates me when someone needs to get something off his chest and bitch about something and is greeted with a big ol "Can't change it, so shut up."

He made it quite clear that he was going to say what he did say by the title. It didn't mislead at all, so let him bitch.

And actualy, my comment was directed to Snowman. The you and Davey one was just meant to poke a little fun at your conversation. Re-reading it I can definatly see my mistake there.

What?....................

I like to party with people, and I could say there your lazy to not "get over" yourself and play the game the way it was meant to be.


P.S. If this was a poor atempted at humor, I sorry for posting. I am currently out of smokes, and I NEED MY MARLBORO.


EDIT: Well then I am sorry for being so snapy, I think Ill head to the store right quick and get my cigs.

>I like to party with people, and I could say there your lazy to not "get over" yourself and play the game the way it was meant to be.

The game was meant to be played solo, with minions? Sorry, that conclusion is not only unsupported, but downright silly.

Dude, I know what you mean. I ran out of Winstons four hours ago and paychecks don't come in for another 5 hours. GAH!

I think he means that the argument that your supposed to party with people cuz it's an on-line game and they made it that way can be counter-acted with your supposed to play this game solo because they put the henchman in.

Not to put words in your mouth Manderlock, but I think that's what you were getting at?

There are many players who consider GW the 'would-be-Diablo 3'. Because its from the creators of diablo 2 and starcraft. This explains why many functions from those games are to be found back in GW. PvP is quick like in starcraft: Hush, hush, hush, join a team an gogogo! Stuck in the game? Do the same as in D2 for getting to a new act: join a team just for that occasion and than move on. Its an illusion to expect players to join a team or even a Guild just because this game is supposed to be a team game
Best solution for those who like teamplaying is to do it with friends you allready know. I've also thought of making a list of players who like to be in a Guild where everyone is willing to help, without the obligation to teamup. Problem is that this only works fine on the international server (because people reading these forums come from everywhere). If enough people are serious in this it would be worth a try

Aye, its an online game, and to me that means to play with other people. To you might not, but dont call me *lazy* for playing the game the way I feel it should be.

Ah, I see the problem. Bone White Haze is responding to a quote from Snowman, and Manderlock thought BWH had said the quote to begin with, about being lazy.

Gotcha. BWH, if you use the quote button instead of quick reply, this thing can be avoided before it starts.

Its all so clear now, so me and BWH where arguing for the same damn stance, what a waste of posts.

LOL, well, if it makes you feel any better,

Dammit Manderlock, I prefer playing with other people! What's your problem with that? :P

I'm gonna throw my opinion in the ring, because I've played with groups both good and bad... and most people I've PUGed with have been courteous, reasonably effective (some were obviously still learning, but the bulk are at least useful), and sometimes quite a bit of fun to game with. I've also had some people drop out in mid-mission, which can be really frustrating.. but then, my build (W/E, Adrenal skills and Fire for crowd control) is specifically designed to be viable against multiple PvE enemies, so it's possible to pick up the slack. Attitude is another thing entirely.. For every group I've played in that is courteous and help each other out (and I played with a wonderful PUG last night), there's another that says things like "OMG ur lv 5 WTF dood, don't try this mission again" (aimed at a R/Mo who was obviously a new player.. yeesh). My pet peeve, and one that's easily solved while picking up a group if you remember, is that NOBODY seems to bring a rez signet. With monks being tough to find and most W/Mo completely neglecting to stock up on healing... eh, kinda annoying. I'm guilty of this myself, because I keep forgetting, so I DO understand... but I kick myself every time so I think I'll write it on my hand or something.

That said, I like the henches as well. I prefer to do missions with other people, but if I'm just adventuring out in the countryside, questing or hunting, I'll tend to go with henches instead of players... for no real reason other than I like to take my time, admire the scenery, etc.

Not to mention, it's ok to mix.. If you can only find one other person who you want to adventure with, by all means, grab a hench to make up the difference. Can't find a monk? Grab the henchmonk. Simple.

Augy, your guild sounds exactly like what I need... but I'm only in if the cape is pretty I'll try to find you online once I figure out how that part of the interface works.. I'm under the name Amakar Viyali, W/E12... still in Post-Sear Ascalon, but getting close to Yak's bend.

Had to register just so I could reply and tell you how much I enjoyed your post. Priceless!

A traveler left a city, and walked many miles until he came to the gates of another city. There was an old man sitting there, so the traveler asked him, "Old man, what are the people like in this city?". The old man replied, "Tell me, what were the people like in the city from which you have come?". The traveler replied, "Oh, they were wonderful, very friendly, and I enjoyed my time there very much". The old man said, "You will find them the same here".

Some days later, another traveler left the same city that the first traveler had left, and walked many miles until he came to the gates of the same city, and the same old man was sitting there. So this new traveler asked him, "Old man, what are the people like in this city?". The old man replied, "Tell me, what were the people like in the city from which you have come?". The traveler replied, "They were a horrid bunch, rude and unpleasant in every way, and I could not wait to be rid of them". The old man said, "You will find them the same here".

You see what you look for

nice copy-paste

Less crack, more reality. I've gone through to where I am now with bots.

I'm lazy, so shoot me

And apparently I just can't seem to get the hang of how to insert an icon...

For those of you looking for like-minded people to play with. ..You might want to list yourself in the "Phone Book"
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=1914
also I found a Guild made up of people who are more mature. Check it out.
http://members.cox.net/dannzzigg/

I see a lot of sane pleas for fun groups here, so I'll throw in my two cents.

If you are interested (and adult), and you're looking for a group of team players, drop me a line ingame. My little group has been playing together for a long time. We play on voicecom, and we work tightly as a team.

I will put in a word of caution though - here's the charter I wrote up for our WoW guild (the Merry Men of Azeroth, now we are here as the The Merry Men of Ascalon ). Please read this over before you send me a tell.

http://wow.erhohung.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=13

We are *always* friendly to lucid, competent players. We are *not* friendly to fools. If you are a serious player, and you like to push your play of the game with a tight team, come talk to me and I'll get you into our groups. We're all just learning the game now, so this is a good time to get involved.

Hope this helps some of the lonely soloers out there, we might just be the warped family you're looking for.

In other words, do what you're told, when you're told, never complain, and never EVER, under ANY stretch of the imagination, suggest a different tactic in mid stride!

I hear the imperial march playing

No, not at all. We don't even have a leader, much less a set of battle plans that anyone adheres to. On the contrary, we usually have at least someone in the party actively attempting to get everyone killed by doing some ridiculous :P The fun part is coming out alive

Impressive

And perchance how far is that?
I never said you 'can't get through the first half of the game with henchmen', I clearly stated you couldn't get through the entire game, particularly the end-game.

So, my dear friend, read what is written, not how you want it to be written.
(I'd hate to see how 'altered' your reality is if you can create words in a post by someone else)

Aye, you will die, many many times, if you try to ues your henchies past Glint. Not saying that it cant be done, but it will get extreamly tedieous.

If you see this cape:



You will know you can ask a question or get a meaningful response. I, Jin Yimou, vow to make a guild of only nice, mature people who don't speak l33t.

Jin Yimou

I'm attempting to start a casual gaming guild, but so far I have a huge group of one in it. If anyone wants to help get my guild going contact grant miller in game. Heh at least I don't have dozens of people asking me if I want to join a guild.

Ok well i'm only 14, so maybe that changes my perspective, but I haven't actually had many problems with people in the group not being so great. Generally, the people I end up grouping up with are fine. I admit there is the occasional group that just doesn't work. But there are also those groups where, as one person put it earlyer, everything just clicks, so in my opinion, it balances out. I also find that when people ask questions, and i answer them, they say thank you 80% of the time, and the 20% that they don't, I don't really mind. Its not like i just gave them a perfect dragon sword. I didn't even really go out of my way to help them, so it doesn't really matter to me anyways when/if they say thank you. I've played a couple betas, as well as playing in the E34E event, and i find that generally, ur views on teens seem a bit biased. I agree that most of the people spamming I PWNED U! NUB! and generally mentioning the word l33t are adolecents, but my experiance hasn't been that bad. I trade often, but i rarely see much problem with the whole thank you thing. the only instance anyone has really been simply annoying is earlyer today, in lions arch, someone wasn't using the trading channel, and i politely asked them to use the trading channel for buying and selling. They called me a noob, and continued advertising in the local channel. The biggest diffrences that I've noticed are much more swearing, to the point where its annoying, and more people asking questions. The first group of people should just be told to grow up. The chat filter doesn't help at all as its not hard to figure out what was said. With the second group, just explain the answers, and ask them to pass on the answers to anyone asking the same question. After a while, the less experianced "noobs" will be educated, and will understand that game. The community will only get better...

On a small note about online communities. They are what they are.

Impoliteness breeds impoliteness and the opposite holds true as well. There is no real consistency to it other than that. I've found more times than not by just simply maintaining, at worse, an even disposition with everyone I come across, my "bad" experiences with people are not nearly as common as the "good".

The point is if you let the degenerative attention seeking types aggravate you to a point of lashing out or turning off from the rest of the community completely, you are only supporting that kind of behavior in the long run.

I'm still in pre-searing ascalon, and i've only had to bother with grouping for trips into tthe northlands. Even grouping with one other person has had verying expereinces; people who don't talk with you and run off to explore on their own; others who team up with you properly and let you take charr out for some nice items

i must admit that while i would like to consider mself a mature and responsible player, at times i've had to bail out half way into something, or provided less than helpful responses, or disappeared into another area halfway through a conversation (although i thought the other person had disappeared).

I just hit level 10 last night and i intend to go post-searing after some more flower hunting for gwen although i'm gonna give up soon because i'm losing patience so if anyone wants to do some post-searing quests with a necro/elem, Unspoken Sorrow, i'm up for it...

I have to butt in and have my say here.. heh (seems more appropriate than making my own thread anyways)..

I have to agree, I tend to play solo or at least try to - and what just happened to me today was a classic example for me why I do. Got into a group, just to do the starting rez signet ring.. and ended up going a bit further - problem was the other person hardly ever spoke even when there was no monsters around and all was needed/asked for was a short reply (like yes/no for instance).

I admit I wasn't the biggest help in fights. LOL miss-timed spells and such, but heck - I'm new and just trying and I hardly EVER get in a group (well, might help if I got past pre-searing at some point.. LOL) and so I know I'm not brilliant on party play or anything. But at least if I ask something, I'd expect some form of answer!

And hey, I'm always willing to learn if I'm offered suggestions on how to better work in a group.. but that would actually involve.. A) being in a group & B) the group actually bothering to talk to me :P

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the fact that they were willing to help me with that 1 quest at the start. But not talking really made me feel like they were an AI NPC (admittedly, with better AI than me.. LOL!!!).

But seriously - this is why I tend to play solo in most/all online games I play - simply because if I'm party'ing/group'ing with ppl I do expect to get some feedback on comments or chat or such :P Heck, I always try and make sure I talk when not actively fighting or such.. and still usually get noooooo response. Might as well play with npc henchmen.. at least I'll know what to expect from them... and get the exact same silent treatment :P

I guess a big thing that puts ppl off is I'm on dial-up & no teamspeak or anything like that ;/ Yeah, I know that’s a problem.. and I always warn ppl about that... whenever I say it.. then no-one wants to know me.. *shrugs* oh wells, guess I'll see how far I can get playing Hench Wars! hahahahaha! One of these days I'll get adsl/cable and that won't be an issue... but by then I might just be too used to playing Hench Wars .. hehehehe

So for me, it's not idiot ppl in groups putting me off (since I'm the idiot person in the group.. hahaha.. at least till I get some help.. hahahha).. or ppl being wankers or drongo's or such. Heck, haven't seen much general chat spammmage yet & only had 1 incident of "party request" spammage.. but my history of playing solo continues because I just can't stand playing multiple with ppl who don't bother to talk.. why play multiplayer games if your not going to talk to anyone?