What computers do the average users have for Guildwars?

Nobody cares about what generalizations you people maybe have? That doesnt really make sense, but what ever. First of all I really don't know why you are getting so invloved and why you care so much. You seem to concern yourself an awful lot about somebody you've never met and if about their computer specs. I have no use to talk to you; I don't need to prove anything. I'm done arguing with you, there is no point in bickering over the internet.

What generalizations? I tested my system on Sandra. My 2.42Ghz performs on par with 3.6Ghz P4 processors. I got the numbers to prove it.

Always test your machine with more than 1 test bed... If you come up with the same results then your all good... If not then your seen things and the program is biased....

Okay then give me some other test beds then. Results are still gonna be close to what I've got. But I play along.

As in you and funbun. You're a couple of "people" are you not? Or would you like me to call you "users"?

And of course I concern myself with your post. If I post that my "FX-55" runs at "4.5" I'm obviously just trying to show off by confusing people. I'm saying quit trying to show off because you're on the net. You're supposed to post your specs here, not your general opinion on the systems power. I didn't ask you to argue with me, I proved you wrong. Done and done.

And it is a generalization. According to a particular test you win? There are still a few multitasking benchmarks to look at, and tons of other tests and things to take into account.

Mine runs well, and it will allow for plenty of buffer time before I need to upgrade. That's all that I care about.

Now, now. You all know what they say about arguing on the internet...

Just kidding, have at it! Anyway back on topic:

Athlon 64 3000 @ 2.025ghz
Chaintech VNF4 Ultra
ATI x800 XL @ 425/525
1GB KingMax PC3700
80GB Seagate SATA drive w/ NCQ
Old leftover 60GB Maxtor drive
NEC ND-3500 DVD+RW DL
Silverstone Lascala LC03 htpc case (black)

A pretty modest o'c on the CPU,but I haven't really tried to push it yet. The video card, on the other hand, is about as good as its going to get. Hopefully I can add an ATI Silencer 5 and eek out a little more (and quiet things down a bit more).

You still haven't proved me wrong, I'm still waiting for you to actually physically prove that ever single 3500+ card in the entire world cannot be OC'd to 3.8. Obviously you are generalizing, and you obviously aren't taking into consideration that I am a proffesional, and I have years of experiece using computer hardware and software.

Edit: Please don't respond to my post, for there is no way that you can prove me wrong, unless you come to my house in person and look through my computer. As I said before and as someone said before me, aruguing over the internet is pointless as there is no winner. Done and done.

Are you mad? I don't seriously need to go over why you can't overclock the 2.2GHz NewCastle/Winchester core AMD64 3500+ to 3.8GHz do I?

Please read over.

I don't care what you say, you seem to misunderstand. I "ended" the argument with the very same words you did a few posts back, but you insisted. Now you're choosing to back out because you're completely insane?

Please Re-read over.

edit: ahahah im done with you. this is just too funny, i cant stand it. bahahha

OK then, I see you don't know what you're talking about. Please stop spamming this thread with your useless posts so that other people don't need to read them. They're nearly void of readable content, let alone something that is useful to the reader.

And I'm just like you LunarBunny. As long as the system runs the games I play, I really don't care. I'll upgrade when prices drop.

Fire extinguisher please!

http://www.lavalys.com/products/down...ng=en&pageid=3


Go to this site get the program and then post your sys specs. Do a copy and paste.

IE: it will tell us what you are really running.

Just like my first post on page 1.

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Generator Cliff
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2005-04-26
Time 01:11


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Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
Computer Name CLIFFYS
User Name Cliff
Logon Domain CLIFFYS

Motherboard:
CPU Type AMD Opteron, 2000 MHz
Motherboard Name Unknown
Motherboard Chipset Unknown
System Memory 1024 MB
BIOS Type Award Modular (12/21/04)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter RADEON X700 Series Secondary (256 MB)
Video Adapter RADEON X700 Series (256 MB)
Monitor Sony CPD-E540 (8011845)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Realtek AC'97 Audio [NoDB]

Storage:
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive MAXTOR 6L040J2 (40 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)
Disk Drive WDC WD300BB-00AUA1
Optical Drive HP DVD Writer 630c
Optical Drive TSSTcorp DVD-ROM TS-H352A

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 28615 MB (16560 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 38130 MB (9782 MB free)

Input:
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse HID-compliant MX518 Optical Mouse
Mouse Logitech USB TrackMan Wheel

Network:
Network Adapter NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller -

Peripherals:
Printer Xerox Phaser 7700DN
USB Device Generic USB Hub
USB Device Logitech USB MX518 Optical Mouse
USB Device Telex USB Microphone
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Printing Support



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Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
Athlon 3200+
1gig Corsair Dual Channel 2-3-3-6
BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC
160 gig SATA 7200 RPM

Asus A7N8X
6600gt leadtek OC
512ram pc3200
2600 AMD XP @ 2.2ghz
200gb 7200rpm
80bg 7200rpm

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Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180 (IE 6.0 SP2)
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name JPUOPOLO
User Name Joe Puopolo

Motherboard:
CPU Type Intel Pentium 4E, 3200 MHz (16 x 200)
Motherboard Name Quanta 3082
Motherboard Chipset Intel Grantsdale i915P
System Memory 512 MB (DDR2 SDRAM)
BIOS Type Phoenix (12/15/04)

Display:
Video Adapter ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600 (128 MB)
Video Adapter ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600 (128 MB)
3D Accelerator ATI M24
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Intel 82801FB ICH6 - AC'97 Audio Controller [B-1]

Storage:
IDE Controller Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 266F
IDE Controller Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller (H)
Disk Drive ST9100822A (93 GB, IDE)
Optical Drive _NEC DVD+-RW ND-6450A
SMART Hard Disks Status Unknown

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 95385 MB (69882 MB free)

Input:
Keyboard Quick Launch Buttons
Mouse HID-compliant mouse
Mouse Synaptics PS/2 Port TouchPad

Network:
Network Adapter Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC (192.168.1.100)
Modem Conexant Data Fax Modem with SmartCP

Peripherals:
Printer hp psc 2170 series
USB1 Controller Intel 82801FB ICH6 - USB Universal Host Controller [B-1]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801FB ICH6 - USB Universal Host Controller [B-1]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801FB ICH6 - USB Universal Host Controller [B-1]
USB1 Controller Intel 82801FB ICH6 - USB Universal Host Controller [B-1]
USB2 Controller Intel 82801FB ICH6 - Enhanced USB2 Controller [B-1]
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
Battery Microsoft AC Adapter
Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery

Enough fighting. Guild Wars is supposed to be fun. Fighting over clock speeds ain't fun.

A64 3000+ @ 2.42Ghz
Chaintech VNF3-250
Sapphire 9600 Pro
1 gig RAM
Danger Den Maze 4 water block
Heater core
Polyethylene Res
Hydor L-20 waterpump

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MB ASUS P4-S8X
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.0
Processor: Intel 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM 233DDR
Page File: 132MB used, 2330MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 128.0 MB
Sound C-Media AC97 Audio Device 5.1
Drive: C: Total Space:76 GB
Model: WDC WD800JB-00CRA1
Drive: G: DVD
Model: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GMA-4020B
Microsoft USB Trackball Explorer (IntelliPoint)
Logitech WingMan RumblePad USB
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600)

MB: Intel D865PERL
CPU: P4 3.2 GHz 1MB L2 cache 800MHz FSB w/ Hyperthreading
RAM: 1GB 400MHz Dual Channel
HDDs: Two Maxtor 120G SATA in RAID0 array and one backup 30GB IDE
VIDEO: GeForce 6800GT OC 256MB
SOUND: Creative Audigy 2

FSB is overclocked by 4% and RAM is running at 7tRAS-2.0CL-3tRCD-2tRP

2400+ @2.8ghz
1g RAM
ATI 9550 256
MSI KT6V
40GB WD
40GB Samsung

idel 45C
load 55C+ .......
(Air)

3ghz, 2.99 ghz PT4 processor HT. Its a Dual processer (yay!)
1GB of DDR3 Ram
nVidia Geforce 6800 ULTRA without h2o coolant
average temps are around 50-60 with a max before slowdown of like 120 but if it even goes past 100 Ill shut it down quick!
and Im not sure about a lot of other stuff.
also its about 1 year and 4 months old

How many of your programs actually use both processors? I know that not many games do.

If the OS recognizes it as a dual processor, then the games don't have a choice. The OS is the median between the processor and the programs.. no programs have direct access past the OS. And they have limited abilities in the OS.

Lansing Kai Don

you need an OS with dual CPU support and .. the software you are using has to support dual CPU otherwise it will onyl run off one .. there are few games that actualy support it .. in most situations having dual CPU is useless i would say 80% of the game out today dont support dual CPU .. you could try to run the processe on both cpus but as far as i know it wont work .. or atelast its not that easy .. .. a benificial use of dual cpu would be a server like an FTP server and otehr such servers games and whatnot ... also XP pro only supports dual Home doesnt and im pretty srue XP is what just about everyone uses these days .. i'm sorry.

To be more correct. You have a single core cpu running in Hyper Thread mode. It is making the OS think you have a dual core (or 2 cpu's).
But with HT most of your programs will indeed run faster.

The pentium D monicer dual core cpu's have just been released this past week. And have not even hit the shelves yet.

Actually, it's not necessary that a game (or any other app) be written specifically to use multiple CPUs so much as it is that they are programmed to be multi threaded. Any properly multi threaded app will see *some* benefit in a multi-processor, dual core, or hyperthreaded system. How much of a benefit you will see will depend on several factors which aren't really worth getting into here.

As a wild shot in the dark, however, one of the easiest way to do some simple multi threading in a gaming engine is to rip out all audio code and put it in its own thread. If you are using hardware accelerated audio it won't make a huge difference, but it would probably be measurable. Once dual core chips start becoming more common I would imagine you will start to see this optimization done on early "dual core aware" games and *maybe* even supported in older games with a patch. Later games will probably have better multi processor support in the engine, but I feel sorry for the programmers. Writing well optimized code for multiple processors is a PITA. . . Its not as bad as writing code for a distributed environment (like a beowulf cluster, etc) but I wouldn't want to be doing it.

As an addendum to my last post:

Interesting factoid I just remembered. An early example of a game with multi threading support is actually Quake III. If memory serves, you actually have to use a special command to enable it. Why on earth did John Carmack go to what was undoubtably a subtantial amount of trouble to include this feature (that probably virtually no one used)?

Because he is god. Maybe not THE god, but at least A god.

P4 2.0
Abit AI7
ATI 9800pro (xt bios flash, oc'd a bit)
512x2 DDR
80gbX2 WD 16mb cache 7200rpm drives

Nothing special.

I am currently using:

Processor: AMD 3500XP 64bit
Memory: 1 Gig 400mhz Dual Channel DDR
Graphics: 2 Nvidia 6600GT PCI-Xpress SLI cards
MotherBoard: GigaBtye Nforce4 SLI
Few Hundred Gigs of HD Space

Decent setup and runs GW great, guess it'd be a lower budget High-end gaming rig. Would be nicer if I had a better monitor, my 19" Philips monitor is and has been crap since about day 1. (not much fun lugging a 50 lbs monitor around to lan parties).

amd 64 3400+
1.5 gb kinsgton low latnecy hyper x
ATI x800 PRO oced

amd64 3400+ (same speed as fx-51 just not having 2 waste extra $$ for the name on chip lol)
abit kv8max3
1gb ocz pc3200 ddr400mhz dual channel platinum ed.
sound blaster 5.1
bose comp speaker setup
256gb hd space
wireless g lan *for every1 else* hookd up direct for me
nec dvd dual layer drive
toshiba 16x dvd drive
mx1000 logitech mouse
ati x800pro 256mb agp

im using:

2.8GHZ p4 cpu
1024 kingston hyperX pc3500
PowerColor radeon 9800XT

AMD Athlon XP 2000+
1024 MB Memory DDR 400
Hercules 3D Prophet 9800XT 256MB Videocard

The rest isn't really important to list here for gaming.

3200+winnie cpu oc'd to 2.8 on water.
twinmos tmsp ram on 260fsb(running a divider)at 2-2-2-6
x850xt stock(Im not messin with a 600 dollar vga!!)
300gb maxtor sata2 hdd(16mb buffer really helps video crads do their thing)
dfi sli-dr mobo
and thats prolly it.

Athlon 64 3000+ 939 90nm
1G PC3200 DDR
PCI-X 6600GT
19" Flatscreen CRT Monitor

Amd64 3000+
Asus K8V se delux
1g Kingston DDR400
6600 GT Agp (on AGP 8x)

remaining pretty much generic...

Man, Im actually a huge fan of Q3, and since im planning to buy (in the next year as the prices drop down) an AMD 64 X2, could you tell me that command?

My system specs:

ABIT KV8-PRO MoBo (think Ill have to change this its Socket754)
AMD 64 3000+ cooled with TermalTake Silent Boost
1Gb ADATA Vitesta DDR500 (avoid, buy Corsair instead)
Radeon 9600 Pro (Oced @452-600)
80+250Gb HD Space
17" Samsung Syncmaster 173P
6.1 MoBo AC97 sound with SPDIF optical output
attached it to a Yamaha 6.1 Home Cinema 6x100W + 1x85W speakers
Logitech Optical Pilot wheel mouse (maybe the best quality/price mouse ever?)
ADSL 512/128 (1024/300 soon as Telefonica of Spain doubles the rate!)

and BTW, Carmack is *THE one and ONLY God*

Chaintech VNF4-Ultra Zenith ES
AMD64 3000+ s939 Winchester core (1.8GHz @ 2.85GHz)
2x512 G.Skill Samsung TCCD DDR 4400
Chaintech SE6600 6600GT ES (often at 600/1200)
Seagate 7200.8 80 GB SATA1 NCQ HDD
Plextor 708A 8x DVD/RW with 12x flash
Ultra X-Connect UV 500W PSU

Cooled by Custom Danger Den 1/2" loop-milled RBX CPU block, DDM4 acetal GPU block, and Maze-4 chipset block, fed by a 500GPH Danner Mag5, cooled by a Black Ice Extreme (1x120) and a 138 CFM Panaflo fan.

Monitoring is handled by noise sensor, Divine Protection and Samurize. Case airflow is 3x80mm Vantec UV Stealths. Case is heavily modified Lian-Li PC-60, drives have 5 1/4 bay coolers, case interior is coated in white pearl and Pax-Mate, and there's a lot of flashy lights.

I win fastest. Who's next?