A minion massing necro is a much better asset to a farming party than a nuking elementalist. After a few combats he can amass an army of >20 minions that will kill any monster in seconds. Such a horde of fiends is not only overpowered but also looks incredibly lame, much like a spirit spam before the nerf. So for the sake of balance and aesthetics, nerf those things to hell !
I suggest a limitation to the number of minions a necro can have or a nerf to the skill used to keep them alive, whatever it's called.
Please nerf minion masters now.
Overnite
Shimus DarkRaven
instead of saying "NERF THIS", please elaborate how you want it changed <IE: I saw you saying a set number, but elaborate. How many? Spell charge time? Is this ethical to imply? Ask yourself questions before saying somethings overpowered. Back it up, man! =)
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Ranger Li
I believe we've seen about 50 of these.
"OMG I'M BEING OVERPOWERED NERF IT I NEED TO BE SUPREME"
Now if only Mesmers and Rangers and *sometimes* necro's would band up and strip eles and warriors of their power, i do wonder how the world would be affected PvE
"OMG I'M BEING OVERPOWERED NERF IT I NEED TO BE SUPREME"
Now if only Mesmers and Rangers and *sometimes* necro's would band up and strip eles and warriors of their power, i do wonder how the world would be affected PvE
Overnite
I think that they should buff the power of the individual minions but limit their number to 5 or something. Alternatively they could make them permanent but requiring an upkeep similiar to enchantments.
I know one thing for sure- I don't want to have a horde of 40 ugly-ass bone fiends following me.
I know one thing for sure- I don't want to have a horde of 40 ugly-ass bone fiends following me.
benmanhaha
i dont know about haveing a limit. i think they put a health degen on the minions so that they wouldn't have to put a limit on them. anet may have never thought that people would make a suicide build so that a minion master would be able to have huge amounts of minions. They might just have to nerf the suicide build.
Riplox
The number of minions isn't the biggest threat. It's the power each of them has. You also must realize that if you're a minion master, that's pretty much all you have going for you. I have one and if I don't have at least 1 or two minions out, I cant really do much of anything. Maybe posion and use some minimal damaging spell, but thats about it. And yet, I do see your point. I believe that the power of each minion can be reduced some. They do seem a bit powerful for their level, but they also, by default, have the slowest attack speeds of their relavent weapons with the horrors being equivalent to hammer warriors and the fiends using the slowest firing "bow".
twicky_kid
if you people were smart you would know how to beat this.
drop EoE and kill 2 undead and watch the rest die.
kill the master and watch them turn on everyone. this build is so easy to beat.
very easy to counter with common skills.
or just bum rush them so they don't have time to produce a horde.
learn how to play the game instead of calling for a nerf on every build that you get stomped by.
drop EoE and kill 2 undead and watch the rest die.
kill the master and watch them turn on everyone. this build is so easy to beat.
very easy to counter with common skills.
or just bum rush them so they don't have time to produce a horde.
learn how to play the game instead of calling for a nerf on every build that you get stomped by.
Bahumhat
or use some holy damage. they take double from it(I.E 10 dmg for Symbol of Wrath. its does 20 dmg to them)
Overnite
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if you people were smart you would know how to beat this.
drop EoE and kill 2 undead and watch the rest die. kill the master and watch them turn on everyone. this build is so easy to beat. very easy to counter with common skills. or just bum rush them so they don't have time to produce a horde. learn how to play the game instead of calling for a nerf on every build that you get stomped by. |
I never seen a single bone fiend in PvP actually...
twicky_kid
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Err, learn to read ?
I never seen a single bone fiend in PvP actually... |
fiends with favorable winds and winnowing i could understand complaining about that seeing as you die before you every get close enough to accually do anything but still falls very easy if you have edge of extinction and kill the master.
as stated before learn how to play the game and counter other builds instead of calling on a nerf b/c you got stomped by it.
Overnite
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where in my post do you see any reference to fiends. if you are complaining about minions then you are worse than i thought.
fiends with favorable winds and winnowing i could understand complaining about that seeing as you die before you every get close enough to accually do anything but still falls very easy if you have edge of extinction and kill the master. as stated before learn how to play the game and counter other builds instead of calling on a nerf b/c you got stomped by it. |
Oh and the word "minions" is generally used for whatever crap the necromancer summons, not only the bone minions themselves.
twicky_kid
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Are you dyslectic, Sir ?
Oh and the word "minions" is generally used for whatever crap the necromancer summons, not only the bone minions themselves. |
after aoe nuking is nerfed you want the only viable alternative nerfed too.
farming is stupid and gold means nothing. after you get droks armor what are you going to spend it on that REALLY matters. nothing. its all about personal goal. if you want that green, 15k, or fow armor then fine be my guest. why in the world you want this nerfed so it takes even longer is beyond me?
Banebow
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this is also about farming which is about as trivial as pve itself.
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I personaly do not think they are that overpowered, since they are laughably easy to kill (PvP or PvE). That means only the ranged ones can be created in massive numbers.
But then, a mesmer can echo shatter hex and dish out 252 damage every ten seconds, in an area. It does not work without hexes, and minion builds don't work without corpses. Corpses are easier to get, but you still need them, and your entire build needs to be focused on them, so I do not think they need to be "nerfed"
benmanhaha
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Originally Posted by twicky_kid
if you people were smart you would know how to beat this.
drop EoE and kill 2 undead and watch the rest die. kill the master and watch them turn on everyone. this build is so easy to beat. very easy to counter with common skills. or just bum rush them so they don't have time to produce a horde. learn how to play the game instead of calling for a nerf on every build that you get stomped by. |
killing the master would be fairly effective but if you have a good minion master team many team members carry vereta's aura
youve got me there, but if they amass a huge hoarde then it could take quite a while to kill them all.
like i said above, a good minion master team will have suicide people on thier team so they can have a nice army even before the game starts.
and on your last point, i agree wholeheartidly(sp?). No more of this "nerf this" or "nerf that".
Overnite
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there are different types so i would specify. this is also about farming which is about as trivial as pve itself.
after aoe nuking is nerfed you want the only viable alternative nerfed too. farming is stupid and gold means nothing. after you get droks armor what are you going to spend it on that REALLY matters. nothing. its all about personal goal. if you want that green, 15k, or fow armor then fine be my guest. why in the world you want this nerfed so it takes even longer is beyond me? |
qwe4rty
Don't nerf. As it was, it was all Eles, Monks, and Warriors. This at least gives Necs a chance to get into groups.
In PvP, this is easy to deal with
-kill the master, and the fiends become hostile to everyone
In PvE, we can bring up the point that mosters need more than the few skill they are allowed in game. maybe have more necromancers around? That would give corpse control, and they can be loaded with Verata's Gaze/Aura (think those are the ones im talking about)
And if the master dies by some chance, you have a ton of suddenly hostile minions
In PvP, this is easy to deal with
-kill the master, and the fiends become hostile to everyone
In PvE, we can bring up the point that mosters need more than the few skill they are allowed in game. maybe have more necromancers around? That would give corpse control, and they can be loaded with Verata's Gaze/Aura (think those are the ones im talking about)
And if the master dies by some chance, you have a ton of suddenly hostile minions
darkMishkin
Please people, if the OP is talking about farming, ie PvE, then please dont bring in 'solutions' like Edge of Extinction. At least read the first post before going off on a rant.
twicky_kid
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Because I'm tired of seeing necro idiots only spamming fiends, with an occasional well of power. If Anet wants the game "balanced" then they should also look into minion master farming.
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i'm no elitist by a long shot. i have no 15k armor or fow (just a time sink and i have better things to do with my time).
EoE is the best counter for these builds b/c the minion or fiends are easy to kill. when each one dies EoE will trigger hitting all the other undead. you kill 2-3 undead and watch them all fall instantly.
NekoZ
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Yeah nerfing this is stupid. No reason for it. Simply be prepared for it in pvp. While good MM groups will already have armies before hand it is easy enough to have an aoe damage guy and knock out all fiends. Or you could always use the very good healing seed send warrior in and kill masters. if you are playing iway have the tainted bring venrita's aura. In pve i dont understand what you are complaining about. You dont want minions? But i disagree minions simply are a good alternative since nuking has been nerfed.
entropy
omg no more nerfs!!!
_necroangel_
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Originally Posted by Overnite
A minion massing necro is a much better asset to a farming party than a nuking elementalist. After a few combats he can amass an army of >20 minions that will kill any monster in seconds. Such a horde of fiends is not only overpowered but also looks incredibly lame, much like a spirit spam before the nerf. So for the sake of balance and aesthetics, nerf those things to hell !
I suggest a limitation to the number of minions a necro can have or a nerf to the skill used to keep them alive, whatever it's called. |
ange1
lol it's fine as it is
the goal of the update is to nerf soloing
if u can make a build that incorporates minions/fiends/horrors soloing, then they'd probably nerf it =D
the goal of the update is to nerf soloing
if u can make a build that incorporates minions/fiends/horrors soloing, then they'd probably nerf it =D
seraphite86
If you want to nerf a minion master necromancer, you might as well nerf everyone else. Like make a monk's Orison of Healing heal only 1-5 health? Yeah, good idea.
jimmy_logic
I would imagine solo Minion Master would be quite difficult... :P
Sharpe_116
NO MORE NERFING, put the game back to the way it was long ago, Back when we could solo, back when Eles mattered, back when an ecto was 10k, not 8, 9, 16k! MAKE IT ALL NORMAL AGAIN. if a-net continues nerfing, allot of their fans will be gone. Because almost everyone in the game made money from farming (thats gone) and almost everyone has an ele (also destroyed). WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO US, STOP THE NERFING, PUT THE OVERSIZED NERF BAT DOWN, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
2_fingers
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A minion massing necro is a much better asset to a farming party than a nuking elementalist. After a few combats he can amass an army of >20 minions that will kill any monster in seconds. Such a horde of fiends is not only overpowered but also looks incredibly lame, much like a spirit spam before the nerf. So for the sake of balance and aesthetics, nerf those things to hell !
I suggest a limitation to the number of minions a necro can have or a nerf to the skill used to keep them alive, whatever it's called. |
Lets nerf the warrior armour. He's takes too little damage. OVERPOWERED! WOOOT
Lets nerf the monk. A monk can stop damage and heal everyone else! Overpowered!
Lets Nerf the ranger! He can interupt and deal tons of dmage to everyone! IMBA!
Lets nerf GW! We should not have more than 10 Life! too strong characters!
Keeping minions isn't easy. We've got to monitor their health, use sac skills etc. Besides, minions are NOT overpowered as in order to farm with them, u need a Warrior to prevent the mobs from going after the necro and u need a monk to heal the necro while he sacrifices in mid fight.
As for pvp. it has been mentioned before, bring EoE and bb minions
nicky nightmare
indeed it is..... because you have to focus on raising and keeping your minions(general term there) alive you dont have a whole lot of room for damage causing spells. granted if you went blood/death you could do more damage but youd leave some other skills behind.
Eldrig
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Ok.. first things first, this is a PvE question suggestion. In the same light, since we are suggesting about nerfing.
Lets nerf the warrior armour. He's takes too little damage. OVERPOWERED! WOOOT Lets nerf the monk. A monk can stop damage and heal everyone else! Overpowered! Lets Nerf the ranger! He can interupt and deal tons of dmage to everyone! IMBA! Lets nerf GW! We should not have more than 10 Life! too strong characters! Keeping minions isn't easy. We've got to monitor their health, use sac skills etc. Besides, minions are NOT overpowered as in order to farm with them, u need a Warrior to prevent the mobs from going after the necro and u need a monk to heal the necro while he sacrifices in mid fight. As for pvp. it has been mentioned before, bring EoE and bb minions |
OMG NERF GUILD WARS THERE ARE TOO MANY POSSIBILITIES!! :P
d4nowar
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NO MORE NERFING, put the game back to the way it was long ago, Back when we could solo, back when Eles mattered, back when an ecto was 10k, not 8, 9, 16k! MAKE IT ALL NORMAL AGAIN. if a-net continues nerfing, allot of their fans will be gone. Because almost everyone in the game made money from farming (thats gone) and almost everyone has an ele (also destroyed). WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO US, STOP THE NERFING, PUT THE OVERSIZED NERF BAT DOWN, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
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Take this for example:
Say you find the best freaking soup in the world. You love it. Everyone loves it. At the time, you can't see yourself eating anything but that soup for the rest of your life.
But just try to imagine eating the same soup for all of eternity. How boring would that be?
None of us support every single change that A.net has made to the game, but I sure support the reason behind it. It encourages change, making me play in different ways than before instead of just playing the same exact things over and over and over again. If I wanted the same things I'd play an old game that isn't supported by its company anymore.
As long as Guild Wars still gets changes, the entire community will just have to change with it.
Y.T.
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Because I'm tired of seeing necro idiots only spamming fiends, with an occasional well of power. If Anet wants the game "balanced" then they should also look into minion master farming.
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if u want battery in ur team - pls specify it while inviting, and BTW - death necro - minion master - cant cast well of power, 'cos its blood magic spell...so - basically - u want death builds nerfed just to have more battery around? after ur AOE was nerfed? hilarious
Jigs
please, no more nerfing. everytime a good build is discovered, jealous people want's to nerf it because they think it overpowers them. Mass minions was used before and not only for farming. necro players also do minion massing in missions but no one complained. Now that Minion masters are a big hit in farming greens someone complains. What is next to be nerfed? warriors, lower their health or armor. I have a good build for my warrior, i think it is almost invincible and if someone will think it is overpowered,and will be nerfred, i will be pissed off. I work on that build, i mixed different skills that's how you build a incredible build for your character.
BTW Minion master is still not overpowered. they can be killed in just a few hits. without their minions/fiends, almost no one will want them on farming groups
BTW Minion master is still not overpowered. they can be killed in just a few hits. without their minions/fiends, almost no one will want them on farming groups
_necroangel_
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aha thats closer to ur point - u see necro only as energy battery, but guess what - there are diff necros
if u want battery in ur team - pls specify it while inviting, and BTW - death necro - minion master - cant cast well of power, 'cos its blood magic spell...so - basically - u want death builds nerfed just to have more battery around? after ur AOE was nerfed? hilarious |
Vermilion Okeanos
I can't believe no one has mention about nerfing human...
human- the supreme life form on earth. So overpowered... NERF
However, from the looks of it; human seem to be nerfed already, some that is.
human- the supreme life form on earth. So overpowered... NERF
However, from the looks of it; human seem to be nerfed already, some that is.
_necroangel_
Hahah..Noes..humans aready came equipped with that "lack thereof" quality D:
Fireaznboy
stop whining kthx?
_necroangel_
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stop whining kthx?
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Deadlyjunk
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I would imagine solo Minion Master would be quite difficult... :P
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"OMFG, I can't kill myself with BiP if I'm alone!"
or
"OMFG, I can't animate a minion from my own corpse!"
But seriously speaking, I disagree wholeheartedly with the guy that launched this. This is for two reasons:
1) What do you care that other people can earn money? If they have a good build to farm with, maybe you should allow them the pleasure of using it?
2) I think the point of this forum is to post constructive ideas. Not just go on a rant against some part of the game you don't like.
_necroangel_
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But seriously speaking, I disagree wholeheartedly with the guy that launched this. This is for two reasons: 1) What do you care that other people can earn money? If they have a good build to farm with, maybe you should allow them the pleasure of using it? 2) I think the point of this forum is to post constructive ideas. Not just go on a rant against some part of the game you don't like. |
fullmental
minions are you friends they fight for you give you energy when they die and give you a reserve of health..taste of death