New Patch = New Forge Running Build?

3lite

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Texas

N/A

Mo/

sprint
balanced stance
charge [E]
endure pain
smite hex (yes i no alot of ppl like holy veil but i prefer this)
heal sig
mending (gotta be +3 regen)
purge condictions/sow (this is good if say...u get surrounded by trolls...hit this baby and they spread like fire)

13 str.
12 tact.
8 heal

This is what i run with and i do just fine, considering i made over 400k in a couple of days...trying to get my fissure for monk...thank god no shards haha...ne ways hope this helps

~Elite Remedy~
~Elite Gaurdian~

Mitsuko

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Uranus

Ember of War

E/R

ever tried running using elem spells like mist form and armor of mist?

Wicked V

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

somewhere

Cast Iron Possum

W/Mo

Im fairly sure you can outrun worms (the initial 'pop' up that knocks you over without balanced stance) by reaching 33% speed and heading in a straight line through the 'trouble' area. A guild member of mine acheives this with a W/E build. Im afraid there isnt much of a point in me posting this as i dont actually know the build... im sure youve figured it out by now though.

Poke The Almighty

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

The running build that I have developed was:
12 strength
13 tactics (+1 from ascalon helm of major vigor)
Remaning attribute points: 4

Sprint
Charge {E}
Balanced Stance
Endure Pain
Healing Signet (this is useful... save me a bunch)
Smite Hex
Holy Veil
Mend Ailment (mend ailment recharges faster than purge conditions)

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
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lol use balths arua and they'll run away Balthazars aura uses 25 energy as I tried it once on my Warrior in Kryta some use the healing breeze.

Ly Rampart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

I'll put in my two cents..

I'm a solo runner to anywhere you could possibly want to go.
Like others have stated before, timing is everything.
I use to use mending > but have since changed it out for shielding hands.
Also when I run the worm never follows me unless I'm running with someone else, then they tend to follow.

Try this and tell me if it works for you.
If you can keep up with the group of imps that race off towards the tunnel your timing will be on point - sprint, charge, sprint, charge to keep up.
If you manage to keep up and don't have to wait for them to pass, then at the bottom of the hill u will get knocked down.
I prefer to hug the left side of the wall in the worm tunnel so I suggest you do the same.

Once you are standing again balance stance, jog until the worms pop up again and charge out, (practice this).
It is scary at first, but you have to then (using sprint) sprint out of the tunnel and stay huging the left wall or shoot over to the right (depends on spawn).
Endure pain if you have to when you reach the golems. once balanced stance returns use your sense and turn it on and charge out once again.

Not to make it too easy by telling you when to use it, but practice using shielding hands in diff possible combo's, you will find it for getting through mobs with 0-5 dmg > .

The rest of lomars is cake as the first part is where I have seen many runners die.

If you want me to critique your running let me know
IGN: Ly Rampart

Kybos

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

AZ

SCC

w00t! I finally did a solo run!

Thanks for all the advice!

Ly Rampart

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

So what was the end result in skill slot choice?

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Go ANET nerf the runners hehe. But, really ANET if you'll just lock the south door to Beacons Perch it will stop a whole lot of running since people will have to be ascended then to get to Droknars and finish the whole game. That means being able to get in groups that will let them in at such low levels to even get to Droks. hehe That also means they'll need or will buy another suit of armor thus using up more resources from us gathering players at Lions Arch. I'm all for that ANET do it!

Me NoFat

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Go ANET nerf the runners hehe. But, really ANET if you'll just lock the south door to Beacons Perch it will stop a whole lot of running since people will have to be ascended then to get to Droknars and finish the whole game. That means being able to get in groups that will let them in at such low levels to even get to Droks. hehe That also means they'll need or will buy another suit of armor thus using up more resources from us gathering players at Lions Arch. I'm all for that ANET do it! Actually this will not stop very many runners. Lornars is simply a proving ground to judge your skill from. Sure there is money to be made running it but not the kind of money that I want to make. There are many different runs and reasons to run in this game. Droks is not the only one.

If however anet does nerf it I will have to brush up on a solo of dragons lair so I can get people from ascalon to beacons the long way and make even more money. So go ahead petition for a nerf. A nerf will knock off all of the budding runners for awhile and give me and my friends more business.

lambda the great

lambda the great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

here

Almost a Guild

W/N

I noticed it was harder too. I died like 3 times then said screw it then I went to kill the little wurm by the cave then I decided to run the rest with a pure warrior build(Extremely good spawns)

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

NYC

The Circle Of Nine[NINE]

E/N

Running has upset the initial balance of the game,yet,it has openned the door of oppotunity for the experienced to not waste so much materials buying inferior armor.A double edged sword,as it would be.It bothers me that now lvl 1s leave Pre Searing in hopes of getting a runner to Droknar's Forge.These same ppl stay in the low lvl arenas,making it near impossible to win against an entire group of them.That, to me, isn't fair.However,those who want to be independent during PvE are more reckless in groups due to the extra armor alotted them from the Droks brand.Running is a service that is growing in demand due the fact that the lazy exist.That being said,builds are one thing that I like to see.It takes real skill to make the Droks run.Nerf the run? I'm not sure how to go with that sentiment.I have found a use in the run,but I did go the hard way with my 1st character.Either way achieves the goals,but the better armor is not a bad thing.What should happen is that ppl in Droks Armor should not be allowed in low lvl PvP arenas.Thats a patch I would like to see.

Me NoFat

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

W/

Dont know why the mods moved my post to the explorers league. I am looking for some posts from experianced forge runners....

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=104534

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Me NoFat
Actually this will not stop very many runners. Lornars is simply a proving ground to judge your skill from. Sure there is money to be made running it but not the kind of money that I want to make. There are many different runs and reasons to run in this game. Droks is not the only one.

If however anet does nerf it I will have to brush up on a solo of dragons lair so I can get people from ascalon to beacons the long way and make even more money. So go ahead petition for a nerf. A nerf will knock off all of the budding runners for awhile and give me and my friends more business. Thas fine, that will be a longgggg solo through Dragons Lair, so you won't be making the kind of money you are now with the run from Beacons to Droks. People aren't going to pay that kind of money. Good Luck I personally would enjoy seeing you solo through it.

stool_cannon

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Pride Fighterz

W/

Ironically, I tried all of the new builds out there for running and ended up going back to my old standby which worked just fine pre-patch.

Tactics - 15 (when using HoD helm, 16 with my Ascalon Helm) (+3 sup Rune)
Strength - 11 (+1 Minor Rune)
Healing - 8

Superior Vigor
Major Absorption
Minor Strength
Superior Tactics

Full Plate,
Knights Boots,
Malinons Shield (-2, +45 Enchanted),
Sword +5 Armor
Switch between Ascalon helm and HoD Helm

Heal Sig
Mending
Shielding Hands (this one is pretty useless, I should replace it with a hex remover since the only time I used it I died)
Endure Pain
Mend Ailment
Sprint
Charge {E}
Balanced Stance

I have found a couple of things important when running.

1. Timing is EVERYTHING! Never, ever hit balanced stance and immediately hit charge. Be patient, wait until you actually need the charge. Same thing with endure pain, only hit it if you actually find yourself getting to around 50% health in a nasty situation.
2. Spawn is more important than almost anything else. I will be successful when I run, but sometimes I will die 2 or 3 times in lornars due to a bad spawn or chaser wurms. I have had wurms chase me all the way to the ice golem hill and there is no way I could have survived that.
3. Mending can be your friend. It depends on the situation. There are times that the energy is more important than mending. Practice and you will be in good shape.

(sub note, I have found that the best overall lornars spawns I have received seem shitty to start because the avicara are sitting right outside of beacons with the first group of imps and pinesouls. But later on I have found the spawn to be aggreeable.)

My final note is that I still have trouble with Heretics. They are nasty sob's but again note that I don't have a hex remover in this build and will be adding one.

I hope this helps someone run!

Good luck

Me NoFat

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya
Thas fine, that will be a longgggg solo through Dragons Lair, so you won't be making the kind of money you are now with the run from Beacons to Droks. People aren't going to pay that kind of money. Good Luck I personally would enjoy seeing you solo through it. In reality I dont make much from Droks....I make much more from other runs. I was just posting here to try and help out fellow and beggining runners. I also appreciate the others that are passing out advise and tips on Droks. The Lornars section is the hardest run in the game IMO so the more knowlege on it the better for all of us that use running as a means to an end. I will work on the solo this week....could be a fun challenge...almost positive I wont get the bonus though.

stool_cannon

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Pride Fighterz

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by stool_cannon
Ironically, I tried all of the new builds out there for running and ended up going back to my old standby which worked just fine pre-patch.

Tactics - 15 (when using HoD helm, 16 with my Ascalon Helm) (+3 sup Rune)
Strength - 11 (+1 Minor Rune)
Healing - 8

Superior Vigor
Major Absorption
Minor Strength
Superior Tactics

Full Plate,
Knights Boots,
Malinons Shield (-2, +45 Enchanted),
Sword +5 Armor
Switch between Ascalon helm and HoD Helm

Heal Sig
Mending
Shielding Hands (this one is pretty useless, I should replace it with a hex remover since the only time I used it I died)
Endure Pain
Mend Ailment
Sprint
Charge {E}
Balanced Stance

I have found a couple of things important when running.

1. Timing is EVERYTHING! Never, ever hit balanced stance and immediately hit charge. Be patient, wait until you actually need the charge. Same thing with endure pain, only hit it if you actually find yourself getting to around 50% health in a nasty situation.
2. Spawn is more important than almost anything else. I will be successful when I run, but sometimes I will die 2 or 3 times in lornars due to a bad spawn or chaser wurms. I have had wurms chase me all the way to the ice golem hill and there is no way I could have survived that.
3. Mending can be your friend. It depends on the situation. There are times that the energy is more important than mending. Practice and you will be in good shape.

(sub note, I have found that the best overall lornars spawns I have received seem shitty to start because the avicara are sitting right outside of beacons with the first group of imps and pinesouls. But later on I have found the spawn to be aggreeable.)

My final note is that I still have trouble with Heretics. They are nasty sob's but again note that I don't have a hex remover in this build and will be adding one.

I hope this helps someone run!

Good luck I added smite hex in place of shielding hands and that has been much more successful.

Though I did die several times in Lornars tonight. The spawn really makes all the difference. There are a few spawns that it is just impossible to get by. Once I get clear of cave though I have not died a single time.

I started doing tandem runs and those are extremely simple.

temp

temp

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

my bedroom

Band Of Death UK

any maps of this run? i really want to get my warrior into forge running, but i don't know if im running the right way.....sounds silly i know but i think i took a wrong turn n ran through about 30+ summits...ouch. I have the HoD helm..looks like i have to get another SEVEN HELMS! ......... i tried that game amp guide to it...didnt work... has a final build been decided?

ange1

ange1

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

i cannot get pass the cave, the avacari and the ice golems are too close...

Me NoFat

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by temp
any maps of this run? i really want to get my warrior into forge running, but i don't know if im running the right way.....sounds silly i know but i think i took a wrong turn n ran through about 30+ summits...ouch. I have the HoD helm..looks like i have to get another SEVEN HELMS! ......... i tried that game amp guide to it...didnt work... has a final build been decided? I have a map but I cannot share it. It is a map from my guild sorry. Best I can say is that you run from zone to zone in the shortest possible way. The only exception is the zone leading to Rankor (last one before Rankor to Droks). I hang the Right side almost all the way there but that is also a very easy portion of the run. Lornar's is easy to figure out...just look at any map and take the shortest route zone to zone.

As far as a final build goes I think that can be debated until you stop playing Guild Wars. I have listed the available choices for you. This is as easy as it gets for creating a build. Don't forget to distribute your points. My other suggestions are getting a +health sword and shield, get whatever vig and abs rune you can afford, and make sure you get the Lt. Helm and have dmg reduction armor. This is as close as I could get to running it for you.

Here is the Core Skill Build:

Heal Sig
Sprint
Charge {E}
Balanced Stance
Endure Pain

If anyone disagrees with that then they are in the extreme minority. That is not to say it can't be done. When picking your remaining skills consider Healing, Condition Removal, and Hex Removal. The monk skills seem to be a matter of preferance though some choices are better than others. I have put stars by the more popular choices. I do not recomend them all personally but you should give everything a try to find out what fits your style.

Here are your Monk Skill Choices:

Mending*
Holy Vail*
Purge Conditions*
Contemplation of Purity*
Remove Hex*
Smite Hex*
Shielding Hands
Signet of Judgement (hate this idea but included for others)
Purge Signet (never used it but it is listed)

Here are your Ranger Choices:

Escape
Dodge
Escape {E} (you will lose the option for balanced stance + charge)
Storm Chaser

Here are your Ele choices:
Armor of Mist
Mist Form {E} (you will lose the option for balanced stance + charge)
Windborne Speed

I don't run Droks with any of the above class combos except W/Mo. If you would like to add ideas or suggested skill choices please do. If you have insight to running the Forge with other class combos please share.

Ajantis

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

I decided to try this one

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=96236

Works excellent with a good spawn, much faster then w/mo, not so good with a bad spawn

But then again, there aren't many that live through that

stool_cannon

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Pride Fighterz

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Me NoFat
I don't run Droks with any of the above class combos except W/Mo. If you would like to add ideas or suggested skill choices please do. If you have insight to running the Forge with other class combos please share. I think you can run with other classes but the W/MO has endured the test of time and is extremely effective. Thanks to practice and Learning to recognize the spawns I probably make it 9 out of 10 times on the first shot. I still have the occassional moron death in the troll cave after grenths if they are clogging the cave, but the run is so easy from Grenths you can do it with 45% dp.

I have also discovered that I can run the forge just as efficiently with major absorb and major vigor instead of sup. I know this because I bought 15k glads (Ihave been running in plate) to get the extra energy but I didn't want to salvage my plate (and risk losing the rune) or spend 140k on the two new runes so I just bought major. For the most part it seems that the extra 6 energy I get is much more important than the damage reduction or the extra 9 health.

The forge is actually a pretty easy run (I know it doesn't seem that way for some of you, just practice and it will).

A real challenge is the entire shiverpeaks tour. I soloed that the other day from Forge - Camp Rankor - Warcamp - Citadel - Copperhammer - Iron Mines - Grotto. That is a rough one.

There are places the forge skillset won't work well and you have to change out a couple of them.

Anyway, if you ever need a run somewhere my guild runs just about anywhere in the game.

Oh, last but not least a special thanks to Me NoFat for his posts in "Lornar's Spawns Suck".

Great post and very useful.

Me NoFat

Me NoFat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

USA

Crimson Explorers Worldwide {CrEw}; Lifetime graduate of [LBS]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by stool_cannon

Oh, last but not least a special thanks to Me NoFat for his posts in "Lornar's Spawns Suck".

Great post and very useful. No Problem Just wish I could get some more input to finish and verify all of the spawns...I know some of it is incorrect but the idea is there and I am sure that it can all be worked out over time.