Why are rangers never picked to go 5 man farming in SF?

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D E A D S Y

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Rangers are so useful. I think it's sad =\

Daijdjan

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Hmm, we (a monk pair) were looking for a spiker for damage and someone misunderstood and got his ranger. Well, he was a better damage dealer than our Nuker So, next time we go farming, we will try a setup with two rangers and a interupt-mesmer for the monk bosses.

master_ranger_matt

master_ranger_matt

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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This is sad. Just start your own group, that's what I do. rangers are good especially in Sorrows Furnace because of the variation in elevation.

Holy Arch

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people think they suck...

quanzong

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rangers suck, they dont do enough damage, its hard for them to 1-1 a mob at there lvl. they just good at healing self, area auras, and watching the pet die. The only thing good about them is poisoning the enemy, but other classes can do that also. However, elementalist, they do MASSIVE damage, why do you think a group of 3 hydras own you on sight? Meteor with 90+ dmg?
That is just MY OPINION to your question why rangers are never picked to do farm runs. I would not invite a ranger to do farm run with me.

Savio

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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Originally Posted by quanzong
rangers suck, they dont do enough damage, its hard for them to 1-1 a mob at there lvl. they just good at healing self, area auras, and watching the pet die. The only thing good about them is poisoning the enemy, but other classes can do that also. However, elementalist, they do MASSIVE damage, why do you think a group of 3 hydras own you on sight? Meteor with 90+ dmg?
That is just MY OPINION to your question why rangers are never picked to do farm runs. I would not invite a ranger to do farm run with me. You're pretty much inviting flames, but since someone's bound to reply with the correct answer I'm letting this stay for now. However, I will warn you not to say "(insert name here) sucks" again because that is pretty much flamebait, and I will delete the next post I see starting out like that.

Keep replies/flames to a minimum, please.

TadaceAce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daijdjan
Hmm, we (a monk pair) were looking for a spiker for damage and someone misunderstood and got his ranger. Well, he was a better damage dealer than our Nuker So, next time we go farming, we will try a setup with two rangers and a interupt-mesmer for the monk bosses. Define a nuker, as if eles were bad enough now they nerfed AE fire damage and they just officially suck. Hell an attunement air ele is probably your best choice now and they do about as much damage as half ... warrior to armored targets of SF.

TadaceAce

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by quanzong
rangers suck, they dont do enough damage, its hard for them to 1-1 a mob at there lvl. they just good at healing self, area auras, and watching the pet die. The only thing good about them is poisoning the enemy, but other classes can do that also. However, elementalist, they do MASSIVE damage, why do you think a group of 3 hydras own you on sight? Meteor with 90+ dmg?
That is just MY OPINION to your question why rangers are never picked to do farm runs. I would not invite a ranger to do farm run with me. Ever done GvG? I mean obviously your talking about pve but rangers underpowered?

Trappers are just amazing in balanced group. Ranger spike is just amazing... Ranger interupts are just flat out stupidly overpowered... Rangers make far and away the best runners... hell if anything rangers are overpowered.

And hydras are only noted as good because there are always dumb enough people in the group to stand in the hydras' one time only meteor shower, I guess your one of them.

Shwitz

Shwitz

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quanzong: Just a point of interest, the only other class with access to poison is the necromancer, so when you said "other classes can do that" in reference to poisoning, its not exactly true. Necromancers have a few spells that cause poison (or disease), but not many take them. Rangers with apply poison or poison arrow are much more common.

It is sad that rangers don't get more love for most areas in general. Concussion shot causes hell for caster mobs, they have more consistent interrupt skills than a mesmer (mes interrupts have long-ish recharges), they can inflict poison with ease, and with the new AI, their crippling abilities might be of use (Pin down, Crippling shot, Barbed trap, Spike trap). If a group doesn't want my ranger, there's a good chance I don't want to be with that group anyway, since they don't realize my usefulness. I think that a trapper, AoE elemenatlist, stance warrior, and 2 monks might do nicely together for a 5 man farm team. Have the ranger trap a spot, have the warrior draw the enemies to the traps, and then drop some AoE spells on 'em. The traps will slow them down, keep them in place for the elementalist to do his/her job, and the ranger might even equip Pin down and Epidemic to keep them all crippled once the trap effects wear off. Just my thoughts...

sybban

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I think it's just the fact that most people who ranger suck, because rangers in fact don't suck. I used to think they were crappy until a ranger ran circles around my warrior pinging him to death. This was very long ago, so that just goes to show no class sucks. Just the people who play them

Bel Ebih

Bel Ebih

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Quote:
Originally Posted by quanzong
rangers suck, they dont do enough damage, its hard for them to 1-1 a mob at there lvl. they just good at healing self, area auras, and watching the pet die. The only thing good about them is poisoning the enemy, but other classes can do that also. However, elementalist, they do MASSIVE damage, why do you think a group of 3 hydras own you on sight? Meteor with 90+ dmg?
That is just MY OPINION to your question why rangers are never picked to do farm runs. I would not invite a ranger to do farm run with me. Heh, well my Ranger, as well as many others, can solo those Hydras with ease, while apparently you get owned on sight. If you've never played a Ranger, or haven't been smart enough to play the role right, then keep your ignorant opinions to yourself until you do.

master_ranger_matt

master_ranger_matt

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by quanzong
rangers suck, they dont do enough damage, its hard for them to 1-1 a mob at there lvl. they just good at healing self, area auras, and watching the pet die. The only thing good about them is poisoning the enemy, but other classes can do that also. However, elementalist, they do MASSIVE damage, why do you think a group of 3 hydras own you on sight? Meteor with 90+ dmg?
That is just MY OPINION to your question why rangers are never picked to do farm runs. I would not invite a ranger to do farm run with me. Don't flame rangers please. they are probably the most versatile class around, and will pwn u so shut it.

JMFD

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A well-played ranger is a great asset to a team, and I somtimes take a ranger instead of an ele into sorrows, though pre-aoe nerf I never did.

Why? Eles did better damage, and were easier to play. Majority of folks out there aren't amazing players, and with mediocre players being able to do damage effectively, why rish a ranger when if played by a mediocre player, they were worthless?

Now, I pick whichever I find first for the "spiker/interupter" and take a minion master along for the 5th

IllusiveMind

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rangers suck, they dont do enough damage, its hard for them to 1-1 a mob at there lvl. they just good at healing self, area auras, and watching the pet die. The only thing good about them is poisoning the enemy, but other classes can do that also. However, elementalist, they do MASSIVE damage, why do you think a group of 3 hydras own you on sight? Meteor with 90+ dmg?
That is just MY OPINION to your question why rangers are never picked to do farm runs. I would not invite a ranger to do farm run with me. Instant +60 dmg barrage spamage?
My cousin makes me get mad sometimes, as i get ready preparing my glymphs or any other enchancement, he can spam Barrage and mow down a mob in a few seconds, so, i don't think that rangers suck sir.

EagleEye33

EagleEye33

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no profession sucks, they all can do enough dmg. This game is supposed to be about skill. You just prob had some bad luck with players. I dont think I need to go on, it looks like you've been ripped enough already on your completely wrong opinion

2_fingers

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

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I am willing to bet quanzong has never faced a ranger spike team. Who needs 3 hydras to own u if 3 rangers would? Hell even 1 ranger can be such a nuisance, u wouldn't be able to do anything.

I think pretty much everyone has flamed the joker who claimed rangers suck. Coming back to the discussion, if u want to create an unconventional build, (and i mean unconventional as something which 90% of the populace don't know about), make ur own group.

I do not include rangers because, i do not require them in the build i usually run. I know their full potential, just that i choose not to include them (because a curse necro works better with a mm).

Frost

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

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Well, imo rangers just don't do as well in pve compare to necros and nukers.
There are few hundred or thousands of players running SF each day, if rangers are as good, why are thousands of players neglecting them... unless you are saying thousand of players are no good...

However in pvp, rangers kick arse, they're versatile and high dmg dealers, however we must draw a line between pve n pvp. Good Pve doesn't means good pvp and same goes the other way round.

Naggykristin

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Ok, I'll say it. There are thousands of players that are no good. A Ranger is heck of a lot better in most situations than any other class, save mesmer. Let's see... a ranger can tank with their pet, heal others, heal themselves, interrupt casters, and quickly deal significant damage AND deal this damage to more than 1 enemy at a time.

A guild member of mine uses his ranger in SF most of the times we go into SF and I wouldn't trade him for any type of ele or necro. In the desert we duo as rangers and we rarely have a problem with anything that comes our way and that includes large mobs of hydra without a sweat. Show me two eles that can traverse the desert alone without dying.

Frost

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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Rangers get together and form a 5-man SF spike team !

jenna mysti

jenna mysti

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Quote:
Originally Posted by quanzong
rangers suck, they dont do enough damage, its hard for them to 1-1 a mob at there lvl. they just good at healing self, area auras, and watching the pet die. The only thing good about them is poisoning the enemy, but other classes can do that also. However, elementalist, they do MASSIVE damage, why do you think a group of 3 hydras own you on sight? Meteor with 90+ dmg?
That is just MY OPINION to your question why rangers are never picked to do farm runs. I would not invite a ranger to do farm run with me.
Hmm, its sad we have people liek this playing, but i guess obviously he hasnt played ranger

PS nicely said shwitz

Daijdjan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Gods of Deathping

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Define a nuker Thats right, i should have clarified that Our nuker forgot to tell us, that he is only capable of doing one meteor shower followed by a fire storm

P.S. And rangers are capable of doing damage, i should know, i play one And no ranger is cruel enough to watch his pet die, only ranger secondarys do that

Adambomb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

North Yorkshire, England

If anyone needs a spike ranger for Tombs, a tank or trapper for UW / FoW just PM me ingame ^^

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This thread has made me realise how uber my ranger is... I kinda neglected him to go with my W/Mo..... ranger time it is!

-Adam

pearhk

pearhk

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Join Date: May 2005

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I always take a ranger with me when i go to FoW


we need them to interupt Heal Area, Spiteful Spirit, Fire Storm ... etc

Pagan

Pagan

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Join Date: Nov 2005

My Beastmaster does more dmg than most of nukers ( on single target of course ) and pet is better tank than many warriors. Why rangers arent picked for groups ? Because of people's ignorance - "I'm nuker, I own everything" - bullshit. You get two hits and you are dead. You are end of mana you are dead. You arent healed you are dead.
Rangers are outsiders, independent surivors - and thats the reason. Its HARD to play ranger good, this is a class for the experienced players, not just meteor-meteor-bonds-shower-REPEAT and pray for a healing.

Tactical-Dillusions

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Join Date: May 2005

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Rangers don't get picked because they are overpowered and ruin the challenge in PUG's.

Take my advice...wave goodbye to PUG's forever.
Henchmen never go AFK/quit/whine/steal loot by not ressing/they always carry a res/they always want to go the way you choose.

Seriously, people who don't want to take a ranger (or a necro or mesmer for that matter) are not worth grouping with. They are selfish and ignorant people.

prime stinger

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England

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rangers are the bomb, you dont see a group of 3 eles soloing UW, Interupting Casters, IWAY? Eles cant tank. My ranger is further then my ele, nuff sed.

dcraftjr

dcraftjr

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/N

nobody bad mouths about my favorite class like that. :/

Anyways, soon I want to form a 5 man group for SF, Uw, or FoW. The strategy would be like 4 rangers are trappers who can trap as many as they can. And the fifth would be a healing/rezzing monk just for backup. Just place landmines on the ground and lure them in the middle setting off massive damage.

gobla

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

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Personally, i really prefer the ranger above the elementalist.

Using a simple skill like ignite arrows or barrage they are able to deliver some pretty strong AoE nuking.

They can protect the mages by simply putting down some traps ( dust trap is best ) This will seriously increase the effectiveness of your monk. Instead of having to constantly heal the whole party he can simply focus on the tanks since those annoying carvers and deep knights arent hitting the mages. Throw dirt is another great skill for this. An earth ele may be able to come close to this with wards but i think blinding is a lot more effective than ward against melee.

Another advantage is interupts. A ranger can keep those gnashers/binders away from summoning, interupt the monk/warrior bosses ( take a bit o luck and skill ) and of course any other annoying skill. A mesmer would be more effective in this but a ranger is also able to nuke. A mesmer really isnt able to do that.

A ranger can put down spirits to help the party. Combine a hell load of bone fiends with favorable winds and winnowing and u got massive dmg. Spirits like pred season help to take down those monk bosses when the rest of the enemy is dead ( those bosses hardly deal any dmg anyway.) EoE is always nice for some extra dmg.

And lastly a ranger is also able to tank. Should the warrior die the ranger will be able to function as a tank using the many ranger stances.

While a ranger may not be able to do all these things at once he/she will be able to do at least a few of them. Wich is a lot more then ur nuking ele can do.

Ow and another advantage is that a ranger wont need a minute to get all his/her energy back. An exhausted ele will.

But it's all youre choice. I would take a ranger above an ele, but do what you find works best for you. And of course what gives u the most fun, cuz thats what playing games is all about ( wise words from me , got to write this down. Ow thats what im doing here ;p )

Frost

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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it seems that ranger is godly, able to do everything. Probably need some anet nerfing on them.

party1

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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yea anet nerf ubergodly rangers that nobody wants in their groups

nah most of the rangers i saw sucked badly

ranger=jack of all trades, master of none

Adambomb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

North Yorkshire, England

If anyone needs a spike ranger for Tombs, a tank or trapper for UW / FoW just PM me ingame ^^

R/Me

After starting to use my ranger again this morning I have used about 6 different builds for different purposes and have been reminded again how much rangers rock.

Question: Is the Grotto 15k armour the same as the Granite one: Granite has Frostbound and Studded Leather and I haven't got Grotto yet so do they have Druids or anything?

Thanks,

-Adam

Shwitz

Shwitz

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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Yup, Druid's 15k set is at the Grotto, along with the Drakescale set I believe...

EDIT: Quote:
Originally Posted by jenna mysti
PS nicely said shwitz Thank you jenna. It's nice to know that what I say doesn't fall on deaf ears

Arcien Trueflight

Arcien Trueflight

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Join Date: Sep 2005

Retrieving an arrow from my latest kill.

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"People fear what they don't understand."

And those who know what a well-played Ranger is capable of, when others around you, like the foolish person who started this, don't, believe me.

There is fear.

*Insert one of the following: Evil laugh, evil music, evil blackout, etc*

In all seriousness, there is almost nothing any other class can do Rangers can't. Want to stop spellcasters, and put enemies in their place for a good nuking? Distracting shot on the monk, Barbed trap on the rushers, followed up by a good Barrage or some Ignite arrows. On the topic of Barrage, Barrage+Tiger's Fury+Favorable winds. Remember those big rain of arrows you see in the movies? That's what it looks like. to make it even better, Rangers have expertise, which allows them, if they have enough energy, to keep this combo going for an almost infinite amount of time.

You yes, you go on thinking Rangers suck. This way, I can keep laughing at you. And I must say, I'm enjoying it.

4runner

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Rangers rock, we r always the last one standing when all other chars r dead, we normally clean up the mess that warriors and other chars make but cant finish, My ranger can do more damage a sec than any warrior out there, plus i can save ur ass by interupting healers/spell casters and trap around my healers to protect them. So dont underestimate us rangers will save the grp more often than not!! Oh dont forget the res!!!!



ign Maximus Aragonist

Frost

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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are we forgeting this is a sorrow furnace post rather than a pvp post?

Adambomb

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Join Date: Oct 2005

North Yorkshire, England

If anyone needs a spike ranger for Tombs, a tank or trapper for UW / FoW just PM me ingame ^^

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^^ And PvE!

Rangers rock!

Just went in CA with my ranger.. I was with 3 warriors and when they saw I was a ranger two of them said "OMFG we got a n00b ranger on our team."

The other agreed.

So my build was for the uber 1337 Barragebot and when I started using barrage like there was no tommorow the warriors on my team started calling me a n00b for spamming the same move over and over.

These warriors were using IWAY, I might add.

So eventually I'm the only one left, the warriors are dead, and start spamming the chat with how rangers are gay and if I lose then they'll rape me because they have 30+ consecutive wins.

The remaining team, who had two members alive stopped fighting for about five seconds to type in the chatbox. They told the warriors on my team that rangers are the most versatile class blah blah blah and how I was a damn sight better player than those three. One of the warriors left and I then proceeded to kill the two remaining players... they were standing right next to each other... Barrage FTW!!

Anyway, thats the end of my story!

-Adam

Melkor Pvp

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

I went on an UW-clearing last night (took 6 hours and we didn't complete it all).

It was pretty intense - we could do pretty much everything, including the Chaos Planes (with a good deal of ease, I might add). Here was our team:

An Air Ele (with Thunderclap for interrupting those damn mindblades and other creatures-plus a bunch of air ele damage skills).
2 Rangers (with 2 traps each, plus barrage and two interrupts each - one had a shocking bow, as well, to trigger Thunderclap)
1 Warrior (with some stances plus basic attack stuff)
1 Necro (with Order of Pain and BIP)
2 Monks (Prot/Heal hybrids)

And we could pretty handle anything. Someone took the wrong quest at the Bone Pits and we didn't realize it until the Terrorwebs were on top of the souls.

That and it was 5 AM and we were all tired.

Anyway, those Rangers were better than fire eles, in my opinion. They were more versitile and could interrupt as well as nuke (as well as trap). As an Air Ele, I just sort of picked off targets that needed to be killed more than anything else (in all honesty, I felt a wee bit useless).

Oh, and the Longbow of the Ranger was absolutely neccessary in one part of the Chaos Planes. There was no way we could have cleared the area without it. The banished dream rider/Wailing Lord combo was standing in front of a normal mindblade-spawning dream rider. There was no way to go around. But he cleverly pulled out his longbow and aggroed only the the normal dream rider. It was brilliant.

Lasareth

Lasareth

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Keep in mind this thread is in reference to Rangers' parts in SF, not in the arenas, or in other PvE areas. Thanks

w00t!

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Actually, since the most recent update, I've found Rangers to be in short supply in Sorrow's Furnace. My regular group almost always takes one now.

Our build is:

Stance Tank
Prot Monk
Heal Monk (using Spell Breaker)
Barrage Ranger
Minion Master or Air Elementalist

With the most recent nerf the Barrage / Interrupt Ranger is a better damage dealer, and all around more userful than an Elementalist. It takes a bit longer to do a Final Assault run, perhaps 50 minutes versue 40 previously, depending on 1p vs. 2p in the second boss room, but it's actually more interesting now.

Xenrath

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

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You think you got it bad, try playing as a mesmer in PvE... end up doing a lot of missions with henchies :/