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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven
And to quote "They probably wouldn't have gotten past" is for the most part, true, unless they don't have the time to sit and level, do the missions,
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Runner's Plight
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AncientPC
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Originally Posted by iotc247
In my opinion no one deserves to get a run to another area. If this was the purpose of the game then there would be no monsters in the areas. The whole purpose of the game is to get a group and fight your way through the game. If you think you deserve it you mine as well say "Well I didn't cheat on my wife with the last 3 girls that hit on me. So now I deserve to."
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Originally Posted by SlayerD
So while we on runner topic here wat do you think the price for running to Droknar Forge from Yak Bend or Beacon Perch should cost
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Originally Posted by AncientPC
The standard prices for runs Ascalon to Yak's: 1k Yak to Beacon's: 1k Beacon's to Droks: 3k Beacon's to TOA: 2-3k TOA to Sanctum: 1-2k Sanctum mission: 500-1.5k Each desert town: 400-500g. Elona Reach mission: 500-1.5k Thirsty mission: 4-10k Camp Rankor to War Camp: 2k War Camp to Citadel: 2-5k War Camp / Citadel to Copperhammer: 5-10k |
iotc247
I couldn't come up with another analogie but that was regarded to one of the posts in here about who deserves and who doesn't deserve to get a run. Somewhere on the bottom half of page 1 I think.
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by -Loki-
The longest missions are at the end, and they take maybe 1 1/2 hours, at most, to complete. Thats not a whole lot of time, especially if they have set aside some time to play. Levelling takes no time at all in this game, so that argument is pretty pointless.
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jules
I don't have very much against runners. However complaining that others are charging too little is pushing it a bit too far, in my opinion. I've been run to various outposts in the desert on my 2nd char by someone who did it for free or for tips. I gave him some gold at the end coz he was so nice about it and it was nice chatting with him too.
Shimus DarkRaven
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I don't have very much against runners. However complaining that others are charging too little is pushing it a bit too far, in my opinion. I've been run to various outposts in the desert on my 2nd char by someone who did it for free or for tips. I gave him some gold at the end coz he was so nice about it and it was nice chatting with him too.
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Dax
If I did have someone run me, I'd probably definetly tip about the same as if someone pays normally. It's not because they are doing it for free or they are wasting thier time. It's because they wanted to help and they were cool enough to expect nothing.
Why people have to run people to make money is beyond me, there is nothing in the game that cannot be aquired by any character. If the game had certain craft items or consumables I could see the need for gold.
but whatever....
Why people have to run people to make money is beyond me, there is nothing in the game that cannot be aquired by any character. If the game had certain craft items or consumables I could see the need for gold.
but whatever....
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Originally Posted by iotc247
In my opinion no one deserves to get a run to another area. If this was the purpose of the game then there would be no monsters in the areas. The whole purpose of the game is to get a group and fight your way through the game. If you think you deserve it you mine as well say "Well I didn't cheat on my wife with the last 3 girls that hit on me. So now I deserve to."
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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven
Courtesy. Goes along way. It's very unfortunate most people don't have this quality. =/
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AncientPC
I think OP didn't word his argument properly and a lot of people are confusing his intention.
It is my understanding that OP is complaining about griefers who complain about a run not being free simply because others treat it as a tip run. I could be wrong though . . .
It is my understanding that OP is complaining about griefers who complain about a run not being free simply because others treat it as a tip run. I could be wrong though . . .
obastable
I run for tips because if I thought the time I spent gaming was worth a standard wage then I wouldn't be spending it on a game. The only exceptions to my rule of tips is the rare passenger that wants to go to specific places as quickly as possible and ask that I take no other passengers. While I don't do those runs for tips, I always ask the customer what it's worth to them, and then charge less than what they offer to pay.
As someone said before, people are usually willing to tip more than most runners ask for as a fee. The other day as my Fiance and I were filling a group to run for tips (from Beacons to Droks), we had a passenger offer us 10k each, to pay not only for his run but for everyone else in the group as well. I laughed, and made it perfectly clear that even if he was offering to pay for everyone it was by no means expected of them to pay that much. "Tips" means whatever you feel the trip was worth, be it money or an item or simply a "thank you". Someone paid me in Stone Summit Badges once (4 of them to be precise) and I was fine with that.
For me, the reward in running isn't the money, it's the satisfaction of being able to do the run to begin with, and that little glowy feeling ya get from helping someone out.
To the OP: As others have pointed out, this is a player driven economy, and within that economy your time is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If they complain that your prices are too high, then they're obvoiusly telling you that your time isn't worth that much to them. Rather than complain about it, or those of us who are the cause of your "problem", you could just not take them as customers. Or, even better for you, you could adjust your prices accordingly and get back in business. Chances are, you wouldn't make much (if any) less doing it for tips than you would for your set prices.
Anyway, sorry if there's any typos or rambling sentences. I haven't had any coffee yet today.
As someone said before, people are usually willing to tip more than most runners ask for as a fee. The other day as my Fiance and I were filling a group to run for tips (from Beacons to Droks), we had a passenger offer us 10k each, to pay not only for his run but for everyone else in the group as well. I laughed, and made it perfectly clear that even if he was offering to pay for everyone it was by no means expected of them to pay that much. "Tips" means whatever you feel the trip was worth, be it money or an item or simply a "thank you". Someone paid me in Stone Summit Badges once (4 of them to be precise) and I was fine with that.
For me, the reward in running isn't the money, it's the satisfaction of being able to do the run to begin with, and that little glowy feeling ya get from helping someone out.
To the OP: As others have pointed out, this is a player driven economy, and within that economy your time is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If they complain that your prices are too high, then they're obvoiusly telling you that your time isn't worth that much to them. Rather than complain about it, or those of us who are the cause of your "problem", you could just not take them as customers. Or, even better for you, you could adjust your prices accordingly and get back in business. Chances are, you wouldn't make much (if any) less doing it for tips than you would for your set prices.
Anyway, sorry if there's any typos or rambling sentences. I haven't had any coffee yet today.
Shimus DarkRaven
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So, because you are charging someone, for example, 2.5k to run from Ascalon to Beacons Perch, you expect others to charge the same? That's like saying everyone should charge 50k for a 15>50 Furious Gold Summit Axe of Shelter, and if they charge less, they are being discourtious.
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Don't read into things, GENIUS =)
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sybban
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Originally Posted by Sir Loino Beef
Hello Everyone-
Lately I've been seeing a trend in GW. The purpose of a runner is to take his client(s) from point A to point B for a sum of money. Even though GW has its own economy and a runner tries his best to get the most clients, this poses a problem. I have seen runners go from Ascalon to Beakon's Perch for as little as 1 Platinum and seen some run for tips just to beat a runner like me that's asking 2.5 Plat. OK-so he gets the run from me, but in the end, everyone that wants a run in the future will expect it for that price and pretty soon, all the runners will be working for peanuts. Believe me, if they really want to go, they'll pay your price. I'm not suggesting we rip off the people we run, but I feel as you are working to get them there-why do it for a tip? Trust me-there's enough players that want runs that you don't need to cut other runners throats and eventually your own and everyone else's in the future. Isn't it bad enough that we get scammed sometimes with no recourse like they have if a runner scams them? |
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by sybban
Personally i never pay runners. Why? It's like tipping the guy at McDonald's. Go farm you lazy. I'll get a run and then go back and do it myself just for the pure enjoyment of pissing a runner off. The point of pve is to do it yourself and get all your quests. Running takes no skill at all and therefore deserves no fee whatsoever
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Dax
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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven
No SKILL? Are you blind? When you run from Lormar's Pass to Droknar's Forge, and you don't call that skill? Avoiding aggro, using healing right, stances, and that's not SKILL? Then pray-tell, what is it? It's a need to stay alive, for sure, but if it ISN'T SKILL, then are you insinuating that it's mindless, zombie-shuffling? =)
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If one thinks that it takes no skill to run, try it yourself.
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If one thinks that it takes no skill to run, try it yourself.
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lg5000
Hmm.. running is bad if it leads to new people not realising they don't need to be run. it also creates beggars at Droknars YAY.
However, character 5 got run to 2 places, Maguma Stade from Hench (I think?) and TOA from Bergen. Both cases a severe lazyness on my behalf and just not feeling like dealing with undead hords.
I guess one way of dealing with things is to ask if that's their first char, and if it is, pointing out that there are better ways to get there than being run.
However, character 5 got run to 2 places, Maguma Stade from Hench (I think?) and TOA from Bergen. Both cases a severe lazyness on my behalf and just not feeling like dealing with undead hords.
I guess one way of dealing with things is to ask if that's their first char, and if it is, pointing out that there are better ways to get there than being run.
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Originally Posted by lg5000
Hmm.. running is bad if it leads to new people not realising they don't need to be run. it also creates beggars at Droknars YAY.
However, character 5 got run to 2 places, Maguma Stade from Hench (I think?) and TOA from Bergen. Both cases a severe lazyness on my behalf and just not feeling like dealing with undead hords. I guess one way of dealing with things is to ask if that's their first char, and if it is, pointing out that there are better ways to get there than being run. |
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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven
How can you even quote me off that? I never even BROUGHT up prices, but once, to backpat ancientPC for his guide. LAY OFF, man. I never said charging MORE or LESS is being discourtious, please read before you go off on some lame-ass post like that. I never expected people to charge the same. I never even said ANYTHING along the line of prices, again, but to compliment AncientPC's guide.
Don't read into things, GENIUS =) --The Shim |
Fyre Brand
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Originally Posted by obastable
I run for tips because if I thought the time I spent gaming was worth a standard wage then I wouldn't be spending it on a game. The only exceptions to my rule of tips is the rare passenger that wants to go to specific places as quickly as possible and ask that I take no other passengers. While I don't do those runs for tips, I always ask the customer what it's worth to them, and then charge less than what they offer to pay.
As someone said before, people are usually willing to tip more than most runners ask for as a fee. The other day as my Fiance and I were filling a group to run for tips (from Beacons to Droks), we had a passenger offer us 10k each, to pay not only for his run but for everyone else in the group as well. I laughed, and made it perfectly clear that even if he was offering to pay for everyone it was by no means expected of them to pay that much. "Tips" means whatever you feel the trip was worth, be it money or an item or simply a "thank you". Someone paid me in Stone Summit Badges once (4 of them to be precise) and I was fine with that. For me, the reward in running isn't the money, it's the satisfaction of being able to do the run to begin with, and that little glowy feeling ya get from helping someone out. To the OP: As others have pointed out, this is a player driven economy, and within that economy your time is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If they complain that your prices are too high, then they're obvoiusly telling you that your time isn't worth that much to them. Rather than complain about it, or those of us who are the cause of your "problem", you could just not take them as customers. Or, even better for you, you could adjust your prices accordingly and get back in business. Chances are, you wouldn't make much (if any) less doing it for tips than you would for your set prices. Anyway, sorry if there's any typos or rambling sentences. I haven't had any coffee yet today. |
Shimus DarkRaven
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I confused you with the other person complaining about pricing. Thanks for not getting carried away
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sybban
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coolsti
No sympathy from me. I am dead set against any form for running in this game. And if I was to help anyone get from point A to point B in the game, I would do it for free. Lucky you I don't feel like spending my GW gaming time doing this.
Draygo Korvan
lol?
Running is a joke, no way that ascalon to beacons is 2.5k.
I ran from ascalon to amnoon through denravi on a lvl 7 r/w and a lvl 12 e/n [ward foes if you are wondering]. Its not that hard. I am however against the beacons to drok run because of the high amount of twinking it can get people.
Running is simple, end of story.
As far as pricing. You are not the taxi passenger as a runner you are the taxi driver saying he is charging 2.5k for the trip. If another taxi driver comes in and says he will do it for tips only, well you just meet something called compitition. deal with it. Competition exists in every economy. You have two choices, beat his price or let him have your clients and get more later. If he wants to do it for tips, maybe thats what the run is worth to him and that is what is going to determine the price.
Running is a joke, no way that ascalon to beacons is 2.5k.
I ran from ascalon to amnoon through denravi on a lvl 7 r/w and a lvl 12 e/n [ward foes if you are wondering]. Its not that hard. I am however against the beacons to drok run because of the high amount of twinking it can get people.
Running is simple, end of story.
As far as pricing. You are not the taxi passenger as a runner you are the taxi driver saying he is charging 2.5k for the trip. If another taxi driver comes in and says he will do it for tips only, well you just meet something called compitition. deal with it. Competition exists in every economy. You have two choices, beat his price or let him have your clients and get more later. If he wants to do it for tips, maybe thats what the run is worth to him and that is what is going to determine the price.
Sagius Truthbarron
1k to Yak's Bend.. That's logical.. Or, instead of having a professional do it for you, you could have a level 10 ranger run you the whole way for free?
Most of my guild mates would take me from Ascalon to Beacon's Perch for free. You can do it as any class and it only takes about 30-45 minutes. 5k? Heh.
Most of my guild mates would take me from Ascalon to Beacon's Perch for free. You can do it as any class and it only takes about 30-45 minutes. 5k? Heh.
kg_lildude1
i do general runs for tips and establish a basis with a wide group of customers of my quality of service and proffessionalism, if they ask me for an individualized run for a set amount of money, because they know my kind of service then so be it
that is how i run, and why i have no lack of tip customers as well as people asking me for individual runs
that is how i run, and why i have no lack of tip customers as well as people asking me for individual runs
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1k to Yak's Bend.. That's logical.. Or, instead of having a professional do it for you, you could have a level 10 ranger run you the whole way for free?
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I just ran from Yak's to Iron Horse with no vigor, absorption, or any skills/spells. Simply having Droknar's Armor (Ranger's Druid set) was enough to get me through alive.
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i do general runs for tips and establish a basis with a wide group of customers of my quality of service and proffessionalism, if they ask me for an individualized run for a set amount of money, because they know my kind of service then so be it
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Ellix Cantero
Anybody else ever done the run from Beacon's to Rankor with a WA/ME? I did it a while back just to see if I could. Dunno if I could now that they've nerfed hex breaker.
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Or you could have someone attempt to run you for free and waste three hours of your life.
I charge what 30 minutes is worth to me, I don't really care what other people are charging. In fact I've referred a few clients to other friends because it isn't worth my time anymore to run. I just ran from Yak's to Iron Horse with no vigor, absorption, or any skills/spells. Simply having Droknar's Armor (Ranger's Druid set) was enough to get me through alive. |
The part about charging what's worth to you, that's true and you shouldn't have to lower your prices. But why disclude those players that don't buy their gold on Ebay/Farm their brains out? You do realise that charging only 1k and taking a full group of 6 (or 2k for a group of 4) pays the same ammount, don't you?
Well, atleast you are helping keep a few idiots out of PvP. But not enough to make a difference
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Um dude, I run myself. I don't babysit kids who can't do anything on their own. Running takes NO skill. I didn't say it didn't take common sense. It's like rewarding someone for breathing and walking at the same time. I can't believe I'm arguing this crap with people who have only played a couple months
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The richest documented GWG user is a runner who made his fortune by teaching others his running techniques at 15 ecto/head. Many gladly stepped forward to pay the tuition fee and continue to do so now.
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So, how often can you complete the Beacons->Droknar's run, since it takes "no skill?" HINT: Not all runs are created equal, and there's a reason why so many pay 3k/head for this particular run. Droks-running was very simple pre-SF patch. It's considerably more difficult now.
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You, and all your kind...still with me?...are what's wrong with mmo's. Tracking? I hope so.
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Sorry, but your arguement is kind of weak. It only takes about 20 minutes tops for anyone (that includes people that don't have Droknar's Armor) levels 10-20 to get from Ascalon to Yak's bend; not three hours. I've logged 1,013 hours into this game, so, 5 extra minutes aren't going to kill me.
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Whenever someone brings along a friend for a run, I discount to 60% original price. Yes 1 guy paying 6k is the same as 3 paying 2k, but it's a lot quicker to just go once you have that 1 guy. I don't like sitting around spamming running advertisements.
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Dax
I have nothing against runners personally, I have something against them dragging people through.
I can appreciate the skill it takes, although nothing really to get all huffy about.
I'm the type of person who appreciates running through dangerous area that require stealth and knowledge of which beasts aggro on sight and smell, yadda yadda. But since there is none of that I can tell in GW, I guess it takes some skill to run through.
I guess it all boils down to what people are willing to pay for someone else's assistance. I dunno it's sorta cheesy to charge to 'help' people and to drag them through. Me, I'd rather do it myself but whatever floats yer boat. Having said that though, don't blame people undercutting you, that's competition.
I can appreciate the skill it takes, although nothing really to get all huffy about.
I'm the type of person who appreciates running through dangerous area that require stealth and knowledge of which beasts aggro on sight and smell, yadda yadda. But since there is none of that I can tell in GW, I guess it takes some skill to run through.
I guess it all boils down to what people are willing to pay for someone else's assistance. I dunno it's sorta cheesy to charge to 'help' people and to drag them through. Me, I'd rather do it myself but whatever floats yer boat. Having said that though, don't blame people undercutting you, that's competition.
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I have nothing against runners personally, I have something against them dragging people through.
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mm00re
I do run people for tips from ascalon beacons usually or all the way to the desert if they want.
if they want to talk on the way they have to wait until i am at the next portal for an answer as i don't like to chat while i run it takes away from my concentration of getting them to their destination.
i always expect some of them not to pay, and a lot of the time some don't, but it's when you get that 5 or 10 plat tip for a flawless run and an hour of your time that makes it all worth it.
You'll see my character in ascalon a lot, tonight's run will be #170
if they want to talk on the way they have to wait until i am at the next portal for an answer as i don't like to chat while i run it takes away from my concentration of getting them to their destination.
i always expect some of them not to pay, and a lot of the time some don't, but it's when you get that 5 or 10 plat tip for a flawless run and an hour of your time that makes it all worth it.
You'll see my character in ascalon a lot, tonight's run will be #170
Mustache Mayhem
ran some people from beacons to droks over the weekend.. the money's not bad- people are paying 4k each and I was getting full groups right away for a 20k profit.. one guy was even offering 15k for a runner who was'nt full of crap.. think you people who say running is'nt skilled have never tried the drokars run recently- there's one spawn you get in lonars were 3 wurms follow you way past the ridge and all the mobs are concentrated up at the top.. if you don't know whats up you'll get reamed right there- then there's times you have no wurms- it's random.. but a runner who can't handle the heavy spawn should'nt even be posting in this thread imo =] duo runners makes it very easy- had a friend run with me a couple times and it's 100%.. rest of the runs can't really be called skill imo but beacons to droks solo is- you gotta try it before you talk your smack
AncientPC
While I agree that DF run takes skill, it's not that hard. There are more difficult runs out there.