Runner's Plight

The longest missions are at the end, and they take maybe 1 1/2 hours, at most, to complete. Thats not a whole lot of time, especially if they have set aside some time to play. Levelling takes no time at all in this game, so that argument is pretty pointless.

I don't see how running relates with cheating on your wife, but A.net will penalise runnees who don't pay the runner. Doing so indirectly supports running in my opinion.

I couldn't come up with another analogie but that was regarded to one of the posts in here about who deserves and who doesn't deserve to get a run. Somewhere on the bottom half of page 1 I think.

I'm saying for weekend casual gamer that can't spend the time needlessly levelling. I'm sorry I didn't elaborate.

--The Shim

I don't have very much against runners. However complaining that others are charging too little is pushing it a bit too far, in my opinion. I've been run to various outposts in the desert on my 2nd char by someone who did it for free or for tips. I gave him some gold at the end coz he was so nice about it and it was nice chatting with him too.

Courtesy. Goes along way. It's very unfortunate most people don't have this quality. =/

--The Shim

If I did have someone run me, I'd probably definetly tip about the same as if someone pays normally. It's not because they are doing it for free or they are wasting thier time. It's because they wanted to help and they were cool enough to expect nothing.

Why people have to run people to make money is beyond me, there is nothing in the game that cannot be aquired by any character. If the game had certain craft items or consumables I could see the need for gold.

but whatever....

Don't even start. Discussion over the "point" of the game leads to roundabout posting where no one can agree over anything. Let people do whatever they feel like, within the bounds of what is given.

If running was so much of a sin in ANet's eyes, they wouldn't have opened up paths like Lornar's Pass from Beacon's Perch all the way to Droknar's Forge. They could easily take away a location warp and cut off the runs. In fact, if what I have read in the past is true, ANet actually opened up Lornar's Pass - it was not possible to leave Beacon's Perch to go there originally.

Bleh, if I wanted a linear game with linear maps and linear plots, I would have stayed with Dungeon Siege 1.

So, because you are charging someone, for example, 2.5k to run from Ascalon to Beacons Perch, you expect others to charge the same? That's like saying everyone should charge 50k for a 15>50 Furious Gold Summit Axe of Shelter, and if they charge less, they are being discourtious.

I think OP didn't word his argument properly and a lot of people are confusing his intention.

It is my understanding that OP is complaining about griefers who complain about a run not being free simply because others treat it as a tip run. I could be wrong though . . .

I run for tips because if I thought the time I spent gaming was worth a standard wage then I wouldn't be spending it on a game. The only exceptions to my rule of tips is the rare passenger that wants to go to specific places as quickly as possible and ask that I take no other passengers. While I don't do those runs for tips, I always ask the customer what it's worth to them, and then charge less than what they offer to pay.

As someone said before, people are usually willing to tip more than most runners ask for as a fee. The other day as my Fiance and I were filling a group to run for tips (from Beacons to Droks), we had a passenger offer us 10k each, to pay not only for his run but for everyone else in the group as well. I laughed, and made it perfectly clear that even if he was offering to pay for everyone it was by no means expected of them to pay that much. "Tips" means whatever you feel the trip was worth, be it money or an item or simply a "thank you". Someone paid me in Stone Summit Badges once (4 of them to be precise) and I was fine with that.

For me, the reward in running isn't the money, it's the satisfaction of being able to do the run to begin with, and that little glowy feeling ya get from helping someone out.

To the OP: As others have pointed out, this is a player driven economy, and within that economy your time is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If they complain that your prices are too high, then they're obvoiusly telling you that your time isn't worth that much to them. Rather than complain about it, or those of us who are the cause of your "problem", you could just not take them as customers. Or, even better for you, you could adjust your prices accordingly and get back in business. Chances are, you wouldn't make much (if any) less doing it for tips than you would for your set prices.

Anyway, sorry if there's any typos or rambling sentences. I haven't had any coffee yet today.

How can you even quote me off that? I never even BROUGHT up prices, but once, to backpat ancientPC for his guide. LAY OFF, man. I never said charging MORE or LESS is being discourtious, please read before you go off on some lame-ass post like that. I never expected people to charge the same. I never even said ANYTHING along the line of prices, again, but to compliment AncientPC's guide.

Don't read into things, GENIUS =)

--The Shim

Personally i never pay runners. Why? It's like tipping the guy at McDonald's. Go farm you lazy. I'll get a run and then go back and do it myself just for the pure enjoyment of pissing a runner off. The point of pve is to do it yourself and get all your quests. Running takes no skill at all and therefore deserves no fee whatsoever

No SKILL? Are you blind? When you run from Lormar's Pass to Droknar's Forge, and you don't call that skill? Avoiding aggro, using healing right, stances, and that's not SKILL? Then pray-tell, what is it? It's a need to stay alive, for sure, but if it ISN'T SKILL, then are you insinuating that it's mindless, zombie-shuffling? =)

--The Shim

Yes I belive so.

If one thinks that it takes no skill to run, try it yourself.

ok will do

Hmm.. running is bad if it leads to new people not realising they don't need to be run. it also creates beggars at Droknars YAY.

However, character 5 got run to 2 places, Maguma Stade from Hench (I think?) and TOA from Bergen. Both cases a severe lazyness on my behalf and just not feeling like dealing with undead hords.

I guess one way of dealing with things is to ask if that's their first char, and if it is, pointing out that there are better ways to get there than being run.

Agreed, although I'm pretty sure that if the gold offer is right they will run anyone.