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While I agree that DF run takes skill, it's not that hard. There are more difficult runs out there.
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Runner's Plight
Shimus DarkRaven
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Cjlr
I don't see what the deal with running is. I'm a lazy bastard, and I'm not going to do the same thing multiple times over if I don't enjoy it. If someone else wants to profit from my sloth, go ahead. We both win.
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Wow, you sound like a self help tape. Running breeds retards in end game, you can't argue with that. No matter how you try to doctor it up, it breeds idiots. I spaced it out so you could see it clearer. Now listen very carefully to what I;m about to say:
You, and all your kind...still with me?...are what's wrong with mmo's. Tracking? I hope so. |
No one is contesting that being runned deprives you of game content which can better build PvE skills. However, if that same player already went through that same game content with a previous character and wants no part of the content AGAIN, then he's free to pay a runner to bypass the same rehashed material. If the person playing hasn't already covered the area being runned, then they are only shorting themselves long term.
I'm happy that GW does provide non-linear game routes. Choice -- it's good for the soul.
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My sole point was that running (not being runned) does require skill. Based on your reply, I think you missed that part.
No one is contesting that being runned deprives you of game content which can better build PvE skills. However, if that same player already went through that same game content with a previous character and wants no part of the content AGAIN, then he's free to pay a runner to bypass the same rehashed material. If the person playing hasn't already covered the area being runned, then they are only shorting themselves long term. I'm happy that GW does provide non-linear game routes. Choice -- it's good for the soul. |
Games like this need runners. Someone who is playing for the first time will enjoy every new part of the map. The 2nd time you like to skip some areas. the 3rth time... Most want to go as fast as they can to ascencion. No problem
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Games like this need runners. Someone who is playing for the first time will enjoy every new part of the map. The 2nd time you like to skip some areas. the 3rth time... Most want to go as fast as they can to ascencion. No problem
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To me the dragging people through is more of a acceptable exploit than anything else. I can see the argument if a character is level 18-20 needing help getting through but when you see lowbies begging to get run, yea that's not my idea of a good game situation.
But this is all off topic I guess. If I was a runner I'd do if for free just to piss people who charge off...sorry. Gold isn't that important in the game and as far as I can tell doing stuff for free isn't breaking any rules.
sybban
No I completely disagree. The game has no need for runner. The valid part of you argument was that people don't feel like running through the 2nd or 3rd time. But that is exactly when they should be doing it. They didn't know anything the first time but now they can actually do stuff without having to ask a million questions. I mean hell I didn't have the balls to try the whole game solo until my 5th character. I brought people in groups a couple times for certain missions but other than that I fought or ran my way to every single spot on the map.
*ONLY* time is acceptable- Among guild members or friends.
Not someguy who is too lame to farm. There's people sitting in asaclon offering runs to yak's bend. That, my friends, is why you have the game full of arrogant monks and brain dead W/Mo.
In fact in my opinion, you shouldn't even be allowed in the end game until you have beaten PvE atleast 4 times, and that's being generous considering I would rather it be 6 or 7 times.
But no, you have mister lame warrior or ranger trying to make money cheating for people rather than going out and earning it.
Look even if you don't agree with me, you are still wrong. Running is cheap and should be frowned upon. It's like being powerleveled since it's the closest thing to advancement in the game.
*ONLY* time is acceptable- Among guild members or friends.
Not someguy who is too lame to farm. There's people sitting in asaclon offering runs to yak's bend. That, my friends, is why you have the game full of arrogant monks and brain dead W/Mo.
In fact in my opinion, you shouldn't even be allowed in the end game until you have beaten PvE atleast 4 times, and that's being generous considering I would rather it be 6 or 7 times.
But no, you have mister lame warrior or ranger trying to make money cheating for people rather than going out and earning it.
Look even if you don't agree with me, you are still wrong. Running is cheap and should be frowned upon. It's like being powerleveled since it's the closest thing to advancement in the game.
Solaris
Sybban I agree with you completely!
I take my characters every where without running them and I enjoy every moment.
The first and only time I joined a runner from Beakon's Perch he asked to be paid all 3K at Lonar Pass with the excuse he didn't trust us or he wouldn't take us to Droknar's Forge and all of us being noobs paid up!
You know what happened after don't you? He left the game! 
I will never trust a runner again and I'll go every where by myself!
Beside this is a beautiful game to be enjoied not a trading post!
I take my characters every where without running them and I enjoy every moment.
The first and only time I joined a runner from Beakon's Perch he asked to be paid all 3K at Lonar Pass with the excuse he didn't trust us or he wouldn't take us to Droknar's Forge and all of us being noobs paid up!
You know what happened after don't you? He left the game! I will never trust a runner again and I'll go every where by myself!
Beside this is a beautiful game to be enjoied not a trading post!
Xenrath
I dunno, some of the jungle missions (imho) are really really tedious and if you've already done them why shouldn't you get your other characters run through to the more interesting places, or to where-ever you need for skills etc.
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Sybban I agree with you completely! I take my characters every where without running them and I enjoy every moment. The first and only time I joined a runner from Beakon's Perch he asked to be paid all 3K at Lonar Pass with the excuse he didn't trust us or he wouldn't take us to Droknar's Forge and all of us being noobs paid up! You know what happened after don't you? He left the game! I will never trust a runner again and I'll go every where by myself! |
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and exactly how does running affect you other than droks in low arenas?
Whats wrong with letting people play it how they like to, rather than how YOU say it should be played.
If you honestly think people are rubbish at the game because they have been run you are wrong, people are rubbish because they dont take the time to develop there skill, that has nothing to do with being run on some missions (And this refers to people that have already done it and are running a 2nd characher which is the majority of runees).
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lg5000
one good reason OTHER than twinkers (who can be annoying but fun to kill) would be the people who seem to think this game needs to be run.
I'm not talking about the ones who've played pve for a while and are on their second char or so, even on their first, but past LA, I'm talking about the ones who get to beacons and believe that the next stop is droknars via a runner, because... everyone is advertising runs.
Easy way to stop that: Ask your client how many pve chars they have; Advertise the run in the Trade Chanel.
I'm not talking about the ones who've played pve for a while and are on their second char or so, even on their first, but past LA, I'm talking about the ones who get to beacons and believe that the next stop is droknars via a runner, because... everyone is advertising runs.
Easy way to stop that: Ask your client how many pve chars they have; Advertise the run in the Trade Chanel.
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Easy way to stop that: Ask your client how many pve chars they have; Advertise the run in the Trade Chanel.
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one good reason OTHER than twinkers (who can be annoying but fun to kill) would be the people who seem to think this game needs to be run.
I'm not talking about the ones who've played pve for a while and are on their second char or so, even on their first, but past LA, I'm talking about the ones who get to beacons and believe that the next stop is droknars via a runner, because... everyone is advertising runs. Easy way to stop that: Ask your client how many pve chars they have; Advertise the run in the Trade Chanel. |
Some of them then run about droks going whaaaaaaaaaa wadda i do. Well they bugger it up for themselves by being lazy.
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as to why i support running.......
I got my monk run to droks (no i dont do the arenas, and i wouldnt take droks there anyway). The reason being that the jungle missions bore me as they are too easy, so i wanted them done with asap and droks armour helps.
You may not agree and would prefere to play them without droks, and i respect that, you also must respect that i am not you and dont like the same things.
I wanted to get to the desert missions where it actually starts to become challenging, I enjoy missions like thirsty river where teamplay is required to complete it, all the missions before the desert bar a handfull are just far to easy and only require a "hit it till it dies" mentality. (of course tactics help, but the point is they are not needed).
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Sorry but scammers and runners are not the same thing, dont associate them because you let yourself get scammed like that.
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Beside I didn't let myself get scammed did you think I knew he was about to defraud/cheat us? When players advertise for runs you don't know if they are honest I used to believe they were ... not anymore.Slimcea
Playing through the game for the 3rd or 4th time gets really tedious and REALLY encourages running. Reasons?
Firstly, other than skill quests, all the other quest rewards are crap, which makes them pointless.
Secondly, enemies in the region are all the same, after your first 4 to 5 successful fights, you know exactly what tactics you need, what movement patterns / skill combinations the enemy is going to execute. Even with the so-called AoE update, it doesn't take more than an hour within a new region before you can kill just about everything half-asleep with henchies.
Also, there are way too many huge group of enemies in numbers that don't make sense. They're either incredibly densely packed (Southern Shiverpeaks) or pop-up annoyingly out of the ground (Magumma). If all I want is to get somewhere, but for every minute I travel I spend 5 fighting, isn't that pointless?
Lastly, there's zero incentive for exploring new areas - the enemies again are the same, the scenery similar, no storyline exploration to be had. It makes zero sense to explore say from Druid's Overlook to ToA.
Firstly, other than skill quests, all the other quest rewards are crap, which makes them pointless.
Secondly, enemies in the region are all the same, after your first 4 to 5 successful fights, you know exactly what tactics you need, what movement patterns / skill combinations the enemy is going to execute. Even with the so-called AoE update, it doesn't take more than an hour within a new region before you can kill just about everything half-asleep with henchies.
Also, there are way too many huge group of enemies in numbers that don't make sense. They're either incredibly densely packed (Southern Shiverpeaks) or pop-up annoyingly out of the ground (Magumma). If all I want is to get somewhere, but for every minute I travel I spend 5 fighting, isn't that pointless?
Lastly, there's zero incentive for exploring new areas - the enemies again are the same, the scenery similar, no storyline exploration to be had. It makes zero sense to explore say from Druid's Overlook to ToA.
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Excuse my ignorance but how do you know which one is which?
Beside I didn't let myself get scammed did you think I knew he was about to defraud/cheat us? When players advertise for runs you don't know if they are honest I used to believe they were ... not anymore. |
he was a scammer not a runner, you called him a runner. I do not think its fair to other runners to call him one too, real runners provide a service for money.
Now it sucks you got scammed and i am not calling you stupid and its not your fault but the scammers, but your partly responsible for trusting him.
A good runner will say something like, give me half the money half way there and the rest when we arrive.
A scammer will ask for money befor delivering the service
thats how you tell the difference.
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and exactly how does running affect you other than droks in low arenas?
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-Annoying people spamming the chat channels
-Inexperienced players in higher levels
-Creates the impression for new players they need to rush through to play properly
-Perpetuates the need for large amounts of money, which in turn facilitates people doing unethical things (buying gold on ebay, ect.)
- Most importantly, make people complain in forums that they are bored because rather than play the game through the felt the need to rush through and get all the cool stuff first.
I'm sorry if the game is so flippin great why do you get so bored playing the game through a second or third time? It's not like we gotta catch up to in a hurry because Chapter 2 is coming out this weekend or anything. I don't care how little time a person has to play, the game isn't that hard.
Like I said if someone close to 20 needs some help I understand, but the rest of the arguments just don't wash. No one really needs the armor right away.
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Well for me.... -Annoying people spamming the chat channels |
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So please try again and give me ONE good reason how it actually affects you rather than just annoys you for no good reason.
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thats just your personal opionon and i feel its a pile of tosh, like the ebay comment.
So please try again and give me ONE good reason how it actually affects you rather than just annoys you for no good reason. |
Evidently that's just not MY personal opinion, alot of other people feel that way.
I just gave you a few, I have a feeling no matter what I say you'll say it's "tosh" but whatever.... you are right that I can easily ignore it and play my own game, but you reap what you sew my friend. If that's the game you want to play, that's the game you'll get
...a very shallow game.
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??? Hrmm if the game is that good, surely you don't mind doing it over again.
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To me the dragging people through is more of a acceptable exploit than anything else. I can see the argument if a character is level 18-20 needing help getting through but when you see lowbies begging to get run, yea that's not my idea of a good game situation.
But this is all off topic I guess. If I was a runner I'd do if for free just to piss people who charge off...sorry. Gold isn't that important in the game and as far as I can tell doing stuff for free isn't breaking any rules. |
lord_shar
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No I completely disagree. The game has no need for runner. The valid part of you argument was that people don't feel like running through the 2nd or 3rd time. But that is exactly when they should be doing it. They didn't know anything the first time but now they can actually do stuff without having to ask a million questions. I mean hell I didn't have the balls to try the whole game solo until my 5th character. I brought people in groups a couple times for certain missions but other than that I fought or ran my way to every single spot on the map.
*ONLY* time is acceptable- Among guild members or friends. Not someguy who is too lame to farm. There's people sitting in asaclon offering runs to yak's bend. That, my friends, is why you have the game full of arrogant monks and brain dead W/Mo. In fact in my opinion, you shouldn't even be allowed in the end game until you have beaten PvE atleast 4 times, and that's being generous considering I would rather it be 6 or 7 times. But no, you have mister lame warrior or ranger trying to make money cheating for people rather than going out and earning it. Look even if you don't agree with me, you are still wrong. Running is cheap and should be frowned upon. It's like being powerleveled since it's the closest thing to advancement in the game. |
Profit-runners wouldn't exist if there wasn't a need for what they supply: quick transportation to other parts of the GW world. Other successful MMORPG's originally had teleportation-based characters charging gold to quickly span continents -- why shouldn't GW have something similar?
We don't need a one-dimensional / linear game, nor do we need an in-game thought police.
Shimus DarkRaven
I'm a runner when needed myself, and I feel, down to the core of this issue, it's really all people posting that are bitter about runners. If it wasn't for them in the first place, albeit redundant, they would never need runners. Running was created by people who wanted rushed to an area and were willing to pay for the run. Thus, this created the idea that everyone could use ran, and voila, a service was created.
Note: I called it a service, because thats what you do. You ensure they get from point A to point B for a specified amount <or tips> kind of like a hired bodyguard.
Also, if the DEMAND for running ceased, I guarantee the SUPPLY would as well. It's direct ratio of Demand to Supply here. If one goes the down, the other goes down. If the ratio increases, we have more "Scammers" and "newbies to running" that assume the position.
Offtopic: How to spot a scammer. It's already mentioned, if they as for full payment before, I can assure you there's nothing stopping them from dropping group once they zone. True, and it's not illegal, as the person being ran PAYED them LEGITIMATELY through a trade window. No, funds like this cannot be refunded as the ran-ee places the gold in the window <fail safe 1> and then clicks accept <Fail-safe 2>
Back ontopic: If you people seriously just don't like running, tell everyone not to demand it, and the supply will steadily drop. Of course, there are a couple 'oddball' runners that do it for free sometime, just for fun <myself included> that just likes a good conversation since I'm bored and helping "person X" from point A to point B.
It's simple. Don't get bitter towards the whole running profession because one time <or maybe more, depending on how you are> have gotten scammed. It's like saying "All runners are bad because of the deeds of one!" And IMHO, this is a school-boys mentality.
--The Shim
Note: I called it a service, because thats what you do. You ensure they get from point A to point B for a specified amount <or tips> kind of like a hired bodyguard.
Also, if the DEMAND for running ceased, I guarantee the SUPPLY would as well. It's direct ratio of Demand to Supply here. If one goes the down, the other goes down. If the ratio increases, we have more "Scammers" and "newbies to running" that assume the position.
Offtopic: How to spot a scammer. It's already mentioned, if they as for full payment before, I can assure you there's nothing stopping them from dropping group once they zone. True, and it's not illegal, as the person being ran PAYED them LEGITIMATELY through a trade window. No, funds like this cannot be refunded as the ran-ee places the gold in the window <fail safe 1> and then clicks accept <Fail-safe 2>
Back ontopic: If you people seriously just don't like running, tell everyone not to demand it, and the supply will steadily drop. Of course, there are a couple 'oddball' runners that do it for free sometime, just for fun <myself included> that just likes a good conversation since I'm bored and helping "person X" from point A to point B.
It's simple. Don't get bitter towards the whole running profession because one time <or maybe more, depending on how you are> have gotten scammed. It's like saying "All runners are bad because of the deeds of one!" And IMHO, this is a school-boys mentality.
--The Shim
Mavrik
Every character of mine gets a run to droknar yet I do not feel I am some stupid inexperienced player when it comes to GW because of it. Rather then battle and lose items to hench as well as experience or end up in lame groups of people who are not in droknar armor (armor does not make someone better or worse in their playing skill) I tend to do missions and quests on my own. I have only been scammed once in a run and it was my first run I ever got. And it was only 500g... not several 1000 like others have been.
I will always support runners, and will run people anywhere I am skilled enough to make it to. I have not lost any of the joys of GW by doing this. Infact as mentioned, I will agree the constant fighting over and over gets boring. I won't even get into why the lv cap is annoying the heck out of me other then to say that when you get to a certain point, there is no further point to continue... you don't get stronger anymore but the enemy does... every time you want to go somewhere, you have to fight the same battles over and over. That my friends is boring. I'll take a run to skip what I've done with other characters... let the runners profit. Its fine by me.
I will always support runners, and will run people anywhere I am skilled enough to make it to. I have not lost any of the joys of GW by doing this. Infact as mentioned, I will agree the constant fighting over and over gets boring. I won't even get into why the lv cap is annoying the heck out of me other then to say that when you get to a certain point, there is no further point to continue... you don't get stronger anymore but the enemy does... every time you want to go somewhere, you have to fight the same battles over and over. That my friends is boring. I'll take a run to skip what I've done with other characters... let the runners profit. Its fine by me.
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Evidently that's just not MY personal opinion, alot of other people feel that way.
I just gave you a few, I have a feeling no matter what I say you'll say it's "tosh" but whatever.... you are right that I can easily ignore it and play my own game, but you reap what you sew my friend. If that's the game you want to play, that's the game you'll get ...a very shallow game. |
You complain about players skill, i say thats caused by bad players and not the fault of running
you ignored that?
You say that running causes people to buy gold on ebay
sorry but that is rubbish, how exactly does running cause people to buy gold of ebay, what do the runners put a gun to thier head or something?
if you cant come up with a good explanation i will call it rubbish and so will anyone else.
You claimed it caused the impression that running is the way to go.
I said that i never got the impression that you HAD to run. futher more i will state that its people choosing to get run taking the easy option and KNOWING its the easy option, there is no misunderstanding.
How can anyone honestly think that the only way to go through X area is to get run, i bet its the tiniest teeniest smallest amount of players.
again you ignored my points
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If you cant be bothered to back up your arguments i shall call them tosh.
So i challenge you again to come up with one reason as to how running actually affects your gaming experiance and simply saying it annoys you is not good enough without an actual reason.
(and for anyone esle i said one other reason other than twinking the arenas which i think is just plain cheating)
Damon Windwalker
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So i challenge you again to come up with one reason as to how running actually affects your gaming experiance and simply saying it annoys you is not good enough without an actual reason. |
The first and second characters I played through, I had a blast. There were always players in the different areas looking to form teams to do missions or quests. Sure, there were dumb players, or useless builds - but there was the aspect of teamwork - which was what attracted me to this type of gaming in the first place.
Move forward to my third character. In the earlier stages of the game, I still found some people who wanted to actually play the game, but as it went further into it, I started finding fewer and fewer players. I would sit in some areas for hours trying to put together a team. I would have people join a team I was building, then ask "are we running?" when told no, they would leave. When I would clarify my "LFG" messages to say that we were looking to PLAY the mission not run it, I would start getting harassed for "whining" about the runners. Eventually, it got so bad in some areas that I could only manage to get a party together if my guild was online. This is how it negatively impacts the people who actually play the game.
I understand that some people don't want to play the game through a second, third, fourth time. Personally - for me, even though the storyline is the same, it's a different game when you play a different class, and I want to play it.
I didn't (and don't) have a problem with Drok's runners. I've paid them to help me get my armor, and then finished the game...
Cyril Aspect
The problem of the poster above who cannot find grps for missions is only a tangent of running. In reality the bottleneck is the gradual slowing down of sales of GW over time as the market is saturated. This leads ot less and less low level players and consequently less and less players going through the storyline. It would be interesting to see the prportion of GW players broken down by the areas they frequent most. I would bet that the end game(post desert) is far more active with storyline players than areas around the beginning of the game. Also the late stage pvp aspect of this game makes it even less likley that all players who own this game even like pve. This further reduces storyline players as those who dislike it can avoid it and go directly to pvp which is as it should be. non linear gameplay is just one of many reasons(along with the level cap) that make this game better than wow or the current incarnations of shadowbane and other fantasy mmorpg's
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I'm one of those that will do that to thiefs like you. 2.5 K from Ascalon to Beacons is thievery. So when I see a ripoff, I'll take your group from you and do the run for free. If you don't like it, be fair in pricing, and if you can't do that then don't run people. Let them fight it out like we did.
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jesh
I read the first page and I think that's good enough, seeing as people tend to repeat things a lot. I'd just like to point out that I think running is fun, and helping people is it's own reward. Therefore I run anywhere for free, including Ascalon to all the desert missions. The only place I can't run to is Ring of Fire.
Elistan Theocrat
runners plight... what a joke.
In repsonse strictly to the original post, and the original post alone, I couldn't possibly care less if the runners cant charge as much. What are they doing beyond not fighting, memorizing where certain mobs are and what skills they use and exploiting the instanced nature of the game.
Thats not even talking about the go red engine kinda crap that running enables.
Go Red Engine The Runners.
In repsonse strictly to the original post, and the original post alone, I couldn't possibly care less if the runners cant charge as much. What are they doing beyond not fighting, memorizing where certain mobs are and what skills they use and exploiting the instanced nature of the game.
Thats not even talking about the go red engine kinda crap that running enables.
Go Red Engine The Runners.
jules
The players who are keen on roleplaying should love this scenario. On one hand you have the self righteous, morally upright runners who will always run for free, and on the other you have the greedy runners who do it for monetary benefit. Yes, I am exaggerating a bit and I'm not trying to flame anyone with this post but you get my point...
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runners plight... what a joke.
In repsonse strictly to the original post, and the original post alone, I couldn't possibly care less if the runners cant charge as much. What are they doing beyond not fighting, memorizing where certain mobs are and what skills they use and exploiting the instanced nature of the game. Thats not even talking about the go red engine kinda crap that running enables. Go Red Engine The Runners. |
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The players who are keen on roleplaying should love this scenario. On one hand you have the self righteous, morally upright runners who will always run for free, and on the other you have the greedy runners who do it for monetary benefit. Yes, I am exaggerating a bit and I'm not trying to flame anyone with this post but you get my point...
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Seriously, there's way too much melodrama here.
SlayerD
I dont thinks GW is meant for Runner else why wouldnt just have a portal where you pay a price and get to where you want but if people want to pay for a runner it their choice, So i dont think that we can blame runner for ruining the game.
Fabius Cunctator
I don't have any problem with runners, in fact I often do it myself for money, or for a bit of fun.
All my characters have gotten run, to droks, even my first which got run while I was at desert, and I went there just for the armor since I was dieing a bit too much I didn't even touch any of the quests there until I reached it the 'normal' way, I was so through playing through it the first time (did all quests, read everything, watched every video) that in my second time it was too dull, only played to unlock skills.
Now I only play to PvP and get money and cool items.
All my characters have gotten run, to droks, even my first which got run while I was at desert, and I went there just for the armor since I was dieing a bit too much
Now I only play to PvP and get money and cool items.
Pyrii
I skimmed this topic quickly so I don't know all the views, but I'll say this.
Some people play differently, some people have never played PvE while others never touch PvP. Some people have played the game before and want to skip parts or get an advantage (They'll be paying large amoutns for armor anyways, so why do it in steps and waste money/materials/time?) Armor clearly doesn't do too much, but it helps.
Sometimes, when I'm bored I'll help new people in ascalon by offering free runs to outposts around ascalon, and some make good conversation. Never recieved tips, even if it would be nice, but eh. When I say free, I mean free. I even have some freinds recently run me to droknar with my new monk from beacons (Got there by my own means). Got armour and carried on from beacons. Of course after the run I offered some bits as a thank you.
I have to ask the question, but looking at runners, they don't look like they need the money. Why are you so pissed at not being able to make money? What do you need to desperatly buy?
Some people play differently, some people have never played PvE while others never touch PvP. Some people have played the game before and want to skip parts or get an advantage (They'll be paying large amoutns for armor anyways, so why do it in steps and waste money/materials/time?) Armor clearly doesn't do too much, but it helps.
Sometimes, when I'm bored I'll help new people in ascalon by offering free runs to outposts around ascalon, and some make good conversation. Never recieved tips, even if it would be nice, but eh. When I say free, I mean free. I even have some freinds recently run me to droknar with my new monk from beacons (Got there by my own means). Got armour and carried on from beacons. Of course after the run I offered some bits as a thank you.
I have to ask the question, but looking at runners, they don't look like they need the money. Why are you so pissed at not being able to make money? What do you need to desperatly buy?
Sluggs
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Originally Posted by aron searle
So i challenge you again to come up with one reason as to how running actually affects your gaming experiance and simply saying it annoys you is not good enough without an actual reason.
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I partly attribute the appauling quaility of PuGs in the later stages of the game to runners. Stand around Droknar's listening to local chat and it is quite obvious the place is full of newbs who have no idea what they are doing and certainly not enough idea to have been able to get there without a runner.
AncientPC
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Originally Posted by Sluggs
I partly attribute the appauling quaility of PuGs in the later stages of the game to runners. Stand around Droknar's listening to local chat and it is quite obvious the place is full of newbs who have no idea what they are doing and certainly not enough idea to have been able to get there without a runner.
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Pyrii
Heh, may be a reason to cut beacon's perch off from south Shiverpeaks.
Esprit
I feel like running is getting out of hand. Every town you go to, there is constant spam for runners, or people looking for runners. And it seems to get worse at key points in the game. At Augury Rock and Destiny's Gorge all you see is runners advertising runs or people requesting runs.
It was hard before to get a group together to get to Ascension mission points, but now it seems to be near impossible to find a group to simply fight to mission points and towns.
I know runners consider it a source of income. But I don't run, I don't farm, I just play the game, fighting my way from point to point, so I feel like I can't afford to pay a runner 1,000 gold to run to places.
edit: I am not trying to hate on the runners, but if I can't get a group together, can I at least get henchmen that are at level 20 and can survive more than two Meteors?
It was hard before to get a group together to get to Ascension mission points, but now it seems to be near impossible to find a group to simply fight to mission points and towns.
I know runners consider it a source of income. But I don't run, I don't farm, I just play the game, fighting my way from point to point, so I feel like I can't afford to pay a runner 1,000 gold to run to places.
edit: I am not trying to hate on the runners, but if I can't get a group together, can I at least get henchmen that are at level 20 and can survive more than two Meteors?
Divinus Stella
They should make it harder for runners i think, like the droknars run, add hundreds of grasping ghouls with a +100% movement speed, they can just spam that crippling attack constantly.
If people hate runners so much why dont they make running chars themselves and do free runs.
If people hate runners so much why dont they make running chars themselves and do free runs.
Sluggs
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Originally Posted by Pyrii
Heh, may be a reason to cut beacon's perch off from south Shiverpeaks.
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